Differences between T56 Magnum & Super magnum?

[waynieZ]

Hi can someone explain the differences between the TR6060 GM super magnum
http://www.jegs.com/i/Chevrolet-Performance/809/19301625K1/10002/-1?parentProductId=#moreDetails
GMp/n 19301620

and the aftermarket T56 magnum Both say 700lb tq.

http://www.jegs.com/i/Hurst-Driveline-Conversions/518/TUET11009/10002/-1?parentProductId=

Thanks

[badazz81z28]

Hi can someone explain the differences between the TR6060 GM super magnum
http://www.jegs.com/i/Chevrolet-Performance/809/19301625K1/10002/-1?parentProductId=#moreDetails
GMp/n 19301620

and the aftermarket T56 magnum Both say 700lb tq.

http://www.jegs.com/i/Hurst-Driveline-Conversions/518/TUET11009/10002/-1?parentProductId=

Thanks


Tremec doesn't make a "Super" magnum. One of those links is a kit and the other is just the transmission. Just a fancy name I guess, the tranny is still a TUET11009

[waynieZ]

Tremec doesn't make a "Super" magnum. One of those links is a kit and the other is just the transmission. Just a fancy name I guess, the tranny is still a TUET11009

This part number is from GM p/n 19301620
they want $3999 for just the trans and the MSRP is around $4500. I was wondering what the difference is for an extra $1000.

[badazz81z28]

This part number is from GM p/n 19301620
they want $3999 for just the trans and the MSRP is around $4500. I was wondering what the difference is for an extra $1000.

If its GM part# because its a kit for GM put together for GM cars. Looks like it has a special shifter for maybe a F-body GTO etc. I would also call it super over the OEM T56 lol. The links you posted shows one as a kit.

[badazz81z28]

http://www.chevrolet.com/content/dam/Chevrolet/northamerica/usa/nscwebsite/en/Home/Vehicles/Performance/Catalog_Download/02_pdfs/super-magnum-6-speed-manual-race-transmission-19301620.pdf

[waynieZ]

That's the one on Chevrolet.com but this part number doesn't show it as a kit which is why I asked .

http://www.chevrolet.com/performance/transmissions.html

[badazz81z28]

That's the one on Chevrolet.com but this part number doesn't show it as a kit which is why I asked .

http://www.chevrolet.com/performance/transmissions.html

The instruction sheet I posted shows it comes with some things for installation.

[grif54]

I am not sure but I think I read somewhere that GM Performance was offering the Super Magnum from their catalog. I don't really know the differences but the shifter position is not the same as the Magnum. From what I remember the ratios are the same and the torque ratings are also. Don't hold me to any of this though because I might be dreaming!:EmoteClueless:

[Che70velle]

Your not dreaming. Schwartz makes mention of the new Super Magnum, over on their LT1 crate thread.

[randy]

So im about to order my ls3 t56 kit from pace performance and the t56 is a super magnum .What really is the difference between the t56 mag and t56 super magnum? The kit comes with the super magnum but if i can piece it together and just get the reg mag and save money i would be happy.

Opinions please?

Also would you go with the ls3 430hp version and upgrade later with better parts or get the plug and play 480hp version right away?

[cjfirstgen]

Same transmission. The Super Magnum Kit includes the clutch, etc. Super references to the kit not the trans. The main thing you want to focus on is the T56 Mag has two gear ratio setups.

Use this:

http://www.tremec.com/calculadora.php


http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn232/cjfar_2008/Camaro%20Parts%20For%20Sale/Tremec_zpsz1ixwtfq.jpg

[randy]

engine combo that i want

http://paceperformance.com/i-15908748-gmp-ls3480t56-chevy-performance-ls3-480hp-with-6-speed-m-t-combo.html

t56 super magnum
The smoothest shifting, strongest, and most versatile 6-speed aftermarket transmission.

These Chevrolet Performance Tremec T-56 manual transmissions are truly brand new from the ground up. They can withstand up to 700 ft.-lbs. of torque, with gears featuring substantially increased face widths and 2-piece laser-beam welded construction, allowing for greater control of the tooth angles, pitch, and alignment.

Features:

•Exterior case similer to forth-generation F-body with stronger, high-capacity gear sets, input shaft and output shaft used in the Tremec TR6060
•26-spline input shaft
•31-spline output shaft
•Slip-yoke design
•40-tooth reluctor ring that's necessary for use with electronic vehicle speed sensors used with Chevrolet Performance controllers
•Kit includes shifter handle and Chevrolet Performance-logo ball-type shift knob
•New synchronizers featuring fine tooth angles
•
•Bolstered one-piece countershaft to resist distortion
•Re-designed shift forks
•An extensively modified transmission case to prevent leaks under high-stress conditions and increase overall power-handling capabilities
•Street - (1st-2.66, 2nd-1.78, 3rd-1.30, 4th-1.00, 5th-0.80, 6th-0.63)

http://paceperformance.com/i-20618955-19329795-gm-ls-t56-super-magnum-transmission.html

T56 magnum,
The kingpin of TREMEC's high performance line-up, the T-56 Magnum double-overdrive 6-speed transmission takes the very best from TREMEC's current OEM technologies and pairs it with the most popular features of the TKO 5-speed.

Able to withstand a massive 700 lb-ft. of torque while providing unbelievably crisp shifts, no other manual transmission on the planet offers as much combined strength, versatility, and general ease-of-use as the T-56 Magnum.

Known in its original equipment form as the 'TR-6060', the Magnum is an aftermarket version of the same transmission found in many of today's most celebrated factory super cars – including the ZR1 Corvette and ACR Viper – giving you refinement where you want it and strength where it counts.

Features:

•New synchronizers featuring fine tooth angles
•Bolstered one-piece countershaft to resist distortion
•12 Tooth Reluctor
•Stronger input shaft
•Re-designed shift forks
•An extensively modified transmission case to prevent leaks under high-stress conditions and increase overall power-handling capabilities
•Street - (1st-2.66, 2nd-1.78, 3rd-1.30, 4th-1.00, 5th-0.80, 6th-0.63)


http://paceperformance.com/i-5160024-tuet11009-gm-ls-t56-magnum-street-transmission.html


two different part numbers

[cjfirstgen]

engine combo that i want

http://paceperformance.com/i-15908748-gmp-ls3480t56-chevy-performance-ls3-480hp-with-6-speed-m-t-combo.html

t56 super magnum
•40-tooth reluctor ring that's necessary for use with electronic vehicle speed sensors used with Chevrolet Performance controllers

http://paceperformance.com/i-20618955-19329795-gm-ls-t56-super-magnum-transmission.html

T56 magnum, •12 Tooth Reluctor


http://paceperformance.com/i-5160024-tuet11009-gm-ls-t56-magnum-street-transmission.html


two different part numbers

The Super Magnum part # is a Chevrolet Part # while the other is a Tremec part #. I would think it is the same trans in the kit Tremec part #TUET11009 both with the 2.66 1st gear. Call them and ask. Tremec only makes the four part #'s I posted for the aftermarket T56 Magnum applications. That said the "kit" may be the OEM trans and not the aftermarket model which probably the only difference is the "kit" trans will not have the manual speedo output.

Most including myself go with TUET11012 which is the 2.97 1st gear but it depends on your gearing and tire combo you intend to run. Check that box first.

All the aftermarket Magnum's have both electronic and manual speedometer output.

[randy]

goign to go with a ls3, rear tire is a 315/30/18, rear gear is 4.11 for now. Easily change out if need be.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=38891&page=3

this seems like everyone is going with the 2.66 gearing

[Schwartz Perf]

So im about to order my ls3 t56 kit from pace performance and the t56 is a super magnum .What really is the difference between the t56 mag and t56 super magnum? The kit comes with the super magnum but if i can piece it together and just get the reg mag and save money i would be happy.

Opinions please?

Also would you go with the ls3 430hp version and upgrade later with better parts or get the plug and play 480hp version right away?

Looks like you found the info, Randy. The main benefit is the reluctor ring which talks to the computer "better" than the regular Magnum and will offer the VSS output (to your speedo) within the GM harness.


We have a special going on for the Connect & Cruise packages, where you get the $500 savings off the front end instead of having to wait. Also a few bucks off of Pace's price.
Just thought I'd throw that out there!!

-Dale

[68Cuda]

goign to go with a ls3, rear tire is a 315/30/18, rear gear is 4.11 for now. Easily change out if need be.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=38891&page=3

this seems like everyone is going with the 2.66 gearing

TUET11009 with 2.66 first gear for me too. I'm sure you saw it at the shop! My bell housing is a little different but the trans is identical.

No LS3 for me...

[randy]

Looks like you found the info, Randy. The main benefit is the reluctor ring which talks to the computer "better" than the regular Magnum and will offer the VSS output (to your speedo) within the GM harness.


We have a special going on for the Connect & Cruise packages, where you get the $500 savings off the front end instead of having to wait. Also a few bucks off of Pace's price.
Just thought I'd throw that out there!!

-Dale

ok like how much $? same package and everything? Price me the 430hp version and the 480.

[randy]

$11,800
http://paceperformance.com/i-15908735-gmp-ls3430t56-pace-ls3-430hp-with-t56-tremec-6-speed-m-t-combo.html

Engine and Transmission Package Includes:
• 19301326 LS3 430HP Crate Engine
• Chevy Performance Engine Controller and Harness
• Tremec Magnum 6 Speed Transmission(1st-2.66, 2nd-1.78, 3rd-1.30, 4th-1.00, 5th-0.80, 6th-0.63)
• LS7 HD Clutch & Pressure Plate
• LS7 Flywheel with bolts
• Chevy Performance Hydraulic Throw-Out Bearing with fittings & bolts
• -4AN male pressure line adaptor fitting
• -3AN bleeder line kit with speed bleeder fitting and mounting bracket
• Forth-generation F-body-type bellhousing with hardware
• T56 Driveshaft Yoke
• Chevy Performance LS Pilot Bearing
• Plug for speedo gear hole
• Back-Up Lamp Switch Pigtail Connector
• Pigtail Connector for Speed Sensor
• 1st Gear Sensor Pigtail Connector
• Lokar Chrome 10” shifter lever with white shift knob and shifter boot


$12,300 gm version plus $500 rebate
http://paceperformance.com/i-20689693-cpsls3t56-chevrolet-performance-ls3-430hp-engine-with-t56-6-speed-500-00-rebate.html

Engine and Trans Includes:
•19301326 GM LS3 6.2L 430HP Engine Package
•GM Engine Controller Package
•19329795 GM T56 super magnum Transmission with shift lever & knob
•GM Bellhousing, flywheel & clutch installation package
430 horse
376 cubes
24-month GMPP warranty


$12,250
http://paceperformance.com/i-15908748-gmp-ls3480t56-chevy-performance-ls3-480hp-with-6-speed-m-t-combo.html

Engine and Transmission Package Includes:
• 19301358 LS3 480HP Crate Engine
• Chevy Performance Engine Controller and Harness
• Chevrolet Performance T56 Magnum 6 Speed Transmission(1st-2.66, 2nd-1.78, 3rd-1.30, 4th-1.00, 5th-0.80, 6th-0.63)
• LS7 HD Clutch & Pressure Plate
• LS7 Flywheel with bolts
• Chevy Performance Hydraulic Throw-Out Bearing with fittings & bolts
• -4AN male pressure line adaptor fitting
• -3AN bleeder line kit with speed bleeder fitting and mounting bracket
• Forth-generation F-body-type bellhousing with hardware
• T56 Driveshaft Yoke
• Chevy Performance LS Pilot Bearing
• Plug for speedo gear hole
• Back-Up Lamp Switch Pigtail Connector
• Pigtail Connector for Speed Sensor
• 1st Gear Sensor Pigtail Connector
• Lokar Chrome 10” shifter lever with white shift knob and shifter boot

480hp GM version $12,718 plus $500 rebate
http://paceperformance.com/i-20689695-cpsls376480t56-chevrolet-performance-ls3-480-hp-engine-with-t56-6-speed-500-00-rebate.html

I updated this to reflect the real differences and typos.

cps or GM version comes with the t56 super mag and the $500 rebate
pace version comes with the t56 mag and a lokar shifter and boot

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

Middle one comes with a $500 rebate?

I'd just call pace. Hopefully they can tell you the difference.

[Schwartz Perf]

The $11,800 430hp price AND the last 480hp ones actually include a Magnum, not a Super Magnum. I called Pace to verify this. Typo.

The middle one has the rebate offering, and again the main difference with the Super is the 40 tooth reluctor that'd help your speedometer situation and integrate with the GM harness.
For the extra $$$ of the Super Magnum, that choice is up to you ;)

MSRP on the Super Magnum is $4516 (Pace sells for $3878)
MSRP on the regular Magnum is $2995. So that's where most of the price difference is.

-Dale

[randy]

yup thats what pace says. So the 480hp version is the reg magnum then? same transmission just simplicity of the speedometer

[randy]

The $11,800 430hp price AND the last 480hp ones actually include a Magnum, not a Super Magnum. I called Pace to verify this. Typo.

The middle one has the rebate offering, and again the main difference with the Super is the 40 tooth reluctor that'd help your speedometer situation and integrate with the GM harness.
For the extra $$$ of the Super Magnum, that choice is up to you ;)

MSRP on the Super Magnum is $4516 (Pace sells for $3878)
MSRP on the regular Magnum is $2995. So that's where most of the price difference is.

-Dale
So really they end up being the same price with the rebate but one the pace kit you get the free lokar shifter and boot. So the GM version you trade the shifter and boot for the 40 tooth transmission reluctor? Is there anything else I'm missing? Everything else is exactly the same correct?

[Schwartz Perf]

So really they end up being the same price with the rebate but one the pace kit you get the free lokar shifter and boot. So the GM version you trade the shifter and boot for the 40 tooth transmission reluctor? Is there anything else I'm missing? Everything else is exactly the same correct?

These are other additions besides the shifter/boot

-4AN male pressure line adaptor fitting
• -3AN bleeder line kit with speed bleeder fitting and mounting bracket
• T56 Driveshaft Yoke

• Plug for speedo gear hole
• Back-Up Lamp Switch Pigtail Connector
• Pigtail Connector for Speed Sensor
• 1st Gear Sensor Pigtail Connector
(The 4 items above may come with the Super but I cannot verify)
• Lokar Chrome 10” shifter lever with white shift knob and shifter boot

-Dale