Detroit Speed VS CAChassisWork

[Hakeem]

Hi Everybody,

This is my first post on this forum and hopefully its not going to be the last :computer: .

My cousin has a 1967 Mustang coupe. It was restored couple of years a go. the car now has a 302 engine in it and almost everything is stock. it has an A/C, Power Brakes, C4 transmission.. nothing really fancy.

I am about to rebuilt his Mustang again. but this time I was thinking to make it a WOW car. Coyote 5.0 engine (thinking the supercharged one), Auto transmission (Performance Automatic's Street Smart 4R70W package or new C4). upgraded front/rear suspension..etc.

My questions are: can you guys help me choosing the following?

1) what Auto transmission work best with a supercharged Coyote?
2) what Brand of suspension should I go with? Speed Detroit? CAchassiswork? ...etc?

I am looking for Quality, Price is not important (to some extend). By Front/Rear Suspension, I mean everything up to the brakes. I will get the wheels based on the manufacturer recommended sizes. Build time is not an issue, as long as the end product will be a WOW one.

The intention is to make it as a street car with a traffic light to traffic light sort of racing. Gas mileage is not an Issue (we pay ~$1.1 per gallon of the best fuel I believe its 95 or 97 octane).

I did some research on both DSE and CAChassiswork and both of them looks great. Great info online. However, I am looking for someone experience. It is going to be my First rebuild. the only experience I have is that I built an MK4 from Factory Five Racing.

Any info or comment will be appreciated, any other brands is also welcome.
:thankyou: for your time

[ArisESQ]

I don't have any personal experience with mustangs, but I do know that Mike Maier would be the best person to talk to about that stuff.

I do however have some experience with Detroit Speed, and can tell you that their customer service is top notch. I've had nothing but positive experiences with them.

[chetly]

Yep, Mike Maier at Mike Maier inc. is who I'd talk with. His new front suspension will fit a coyote motor and is arguably the best handling suspension available for early year Mustangs. If all goes well, there should be a car with Mike's front and rear suspension at SEMA with a coyote engine between the shock towers.

As far as automatic transmission I'm not sure I understand the question... :snapout: :badidea: :cheers:

[Matt@BOS]

Maier and Detroit Speed both offer a quality, high end product. They are slightly different in their aims though. Detroit Speed draws on many influences from the owner's experience at GM. They builds modern suspension components designed to provide vastly improved handling and refinement, They have the best construction quality of just about anything available on the aftermarket, and use many OEM manufacturing processes. Their subframes' frame rails are hydroformed, and their Mustang K member is cast aluminum. Mike Maier has a different background - racing. He also builds and sells great parts which have more of an emphasis on all out performance with more adjustability to be able to fine tune your vehicle for a particular driving style, preference, or track.

As for the automatic, you'll have to do a little research on which engine and transmission control units will work. I know an automatic rules out the use of the Ford Racing wiring harness and PCM, but don't really know what would work.

[214Chevy]

...(we pay ~$1.1 per gallon of the best fuel I believe its 95 or 97 octane).


What I wanna know is how can I get some of that $1 per gallon of 97 octane gas shipped over here in 5 gallon drums.:sarcasm_smiley:

[67greengt]

Plus 1 for the Detroit Speed setup!

I was fortunate enough to go around Charlotte Motor Speedway at the Mustang 50th this April with Kyle Tucker in the 66 Mustang Test car. We hit 167MPH on the back straight and took one of the high banked corners at 120MPH, yes thats right 120MPH - I couldn't see straight! It was friggen awesome haha :RunninDog: Their suspension truly works!

Kyle and Stacy are first class people and they have a very solid business. I have their Quadra Link in my 67 fastback with Roushcharged coyote (will be driveable next summer finally) and the only reason I don't have their setup in the front is because at the time I bought my front clip they didn't offer anything (Running a Roadster Shop IFS front clip)

The only thing I can say is their Sales team is still very new to the Mustang stuff and as such, its seems as though there are only a couple guys really knowledgeable on the Ford stuff. I'm sure this will only get better as they continue to develop Mustang/Ford stuff.

Anyways, hope that helps!
Good luck with your project

[Hakeem]

As for the automatic, you'll have to do a little research on which engine and transmission control units will work. I know an automatic rules out the use of the Ford Racing wiring harness and PCM, but don't really know what would work.

Thanks Matt.A for your reply.

I said Auto because I read in this article (https://www.fordracingparts.com/download/tipsPDF/Hot_Rod_Coyote_Swap_Guide_reprint_July_2013.pdf) " [A popular street automatic-trans solution is Performance Automatic’s Street Smart 4R70W package, which includes its Smart Shift stand-alone trans controller, a custom torque converter, a dipstick/filler tube, a trans wiring harness, a block-plate, a compatible 5.0L TI-VCT flexplate, and all necessary hardware. It’s good to 650 hp and has a lifetime warranty." So I hope it will work :S.

[Hakeem]

What I wanna know is how can I get some of that $1 per gallon of 97 octane gas shipped over here in 5 gallon drums.:sarcasm_smiley:

LOL! We are not allowed to ship it :(. and believe it or not, we pay more for a gallon of water than we pay for a gallon of GAS!

[Hakeem]

I don't have any personal experience with mustangs, but I do know that Mike Maier would be the best person to talk to about that stuff.

I do however have some experience with Detroit Speed, and can tell you that their customer service is top notch. I've had nothing but positive experiences with them.

Yep, Mike Maier at Mike Maier inc. is who I'd talk with. His new front suspension will fit a coyote motor and is arguably the best handling suspension available for early year Mustangs. If all goes well, there should be a car with Mike's front and rear suspension at SEMA with a coyote engine between the shock towers.

As far as automatic transmission I'm not sure I understand the question... :snapout: :badidea: :cheers:

LOL! We are not allowed to ship it :(. and believe it or not, we pay more for a gallon of water than we pay for a gallon of GAS!

I tried to google the name and I got his facebook account. unfortunately I dont have facebook. any body know their website? or their email address??

Thanks

[Spiffav8]

I tried to google the name and I got his facebook account. unfortunately I dont have facebook. any body know their website? or their email address??

Thanks

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/member.php4?u=22719

:captain:

[chetly]

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[Stuart Adams]

A lot of groupies, clicks in car biz and racing. Go to a show where the DSE mustang is. Go for a ride, see the parts on a car, see what works around their parts. Tire sizes, stances, plumbing under hood, etc, etc.

Point is, put your eyeballs on it, your butt in it, and YOUR brain and gut will spit out the answer.

[RBuhr69]

EXACTLY.....Went for one ride with Kyle and visited the DSE shop and was hooked! Nothing but top quality construction, fabrication, and employee professionalism..

Car being picked up at Daytona turkey Rod Run for an overhaul by DSE!

:king:

[Vegas69]

Had both on my car. Good and Great. You figure out wich.

[GregWeld]

Hakeem... Do you get to the states at all?? I realize there's probably not a lot of Modified mustangs running around where you are (don't know where that is). So the advice to ride/drive/see these parts is kind of a mute point. Shopping via the internet forums will be difficult at best.

I own a '65 Mustang track car (no street duty)... and have some of the Chris Alston parts on the car. I also have some very custom suspension parts that are just for racing. I have some of the Mike Maier racing suspension on the rear of the car - but also have some parts from others in addition to the Maier track bar etc.

How a car performs overall is more than just buying parts and throwing them at the car hoping they'll all work some magic. The FRONT working WITH the REAR is pretty important. Things like spring rates - shock choice - sway bar size - track bar settings all must work together to get you something you'll enjoy driving and will suit your intended purpose.

I know you're just starting this journey. Please do a LOT of research and make an actual PLAN before you begin buying parts. I would treat the car as a WHOLE -- front and rear -- motor and trans -- brakes - tire and wheel size etc and get the whole "job" on paper before you begin. A tire and wheel that will fit one manufacturers suspension might not fit with someone else's. Being so far away from the source.... and from knowledgable help/information will be a huge disadvantage for you, and it's hard enough to build these things right here in the U.S. and get them right.

You might want to spend a little bit extra up front and engage a professional shop or build service that has years of experience with the kind of car you wish to build... and use them to guide you thru the build and parts choices. They might even have built a car so similar to what you want that you could copy it.

Perhaps some on this site might have some suggestions on what shops they've used that might be useful to you. Use them as a "consultant" on your project. There's so many parts to consider when doing a build like this - headers - and your motor choice - will they fit without interference... and on and on. Will you be capable of modifying the firewall or transmission tunnel if needed? Is there a shop near you that can if you can't and so on.

There are a number of fantastic shops that participate on this forum that may be willing to help you get where you're going and that - for a fee - might be able to test fit parts before they're shipped to you etc.

I don't know any of this for sure -- I'm just offering some ideas that might help with your situation.

[SuperB70]

We have a Mustang-build waiting. Dynacorn '69 fastback and we got all DSE goodies.
Aluma- frame to front and quadra link to rear.

We have a little different engine, tuned Super Snake 850 hp motor, it use to have a builded 4L70r behind it with simpleshift pcm. It just be in a Ford F-150 Truck. That trans had upgrade masterkit in it but still we had to repair it 8 times before we got the owner to stop using it. It was build in US. I dont remember the specs.

No matter what master kit to use, the mechanically it was too small and weak.

Ofcourse it will depense what kind of use and power it will get. For that, how long it will live.

Now we have got an custom build t-56 magnum from American Powertrain, 1000hp/1000lbs specs.

[Chassisworks]

I am looking for Quality, Price is not important (to some extend). By Front/Rear Suspension, I mean everything up to the brakes. I will get the wheels based on the manufacturer recommended sizes. Build time is not an issue, as long as the end product will be a WOW one.


Hello Hakeem, welcome to the forum!

My information will be a little bit biased, of course, but I'll try to keep it as simple as possible.

Chassisworks has several different routes you can take with your Mustang build. If you want primarily a bolt-on style suspension with minimal modification to the existing structure, you need look no further than our Total Control Products (http://www.totalcontrolproducts.com/products.html) line. TCP is a local brand that we brought in house several years ago. We updated some of the designs and applied our superior manufacturing techniques to create a product that is extremely adjustable reliable. Today there are more early Mustangs racing on, and winning with, our suspension than any other.

http://www.cachassisworks.com/site_images/vehicles/Mustang/Mustang65_KevinSittner/Mustang65_KevinSittner.jpg

On the Chassisworks side, there have been many Mustangs that have installed our Street Machine A-Arm Crossmember and paired it with our canted 4-bar backhalf. Information on both is available in our Custom Fit Chassis guide HERE (http://www.cachassisworks.com/Attachments/Catalogs/BG_300.pdf).

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Then there is our top of the line system. The gStreet Ultimate Pro-Touring Chassis (http://www.cachassisworks.com/Attachments/Catalogs/BG_301.pdf). This elite system incorporates all of the latest manufacturing technology and suspension theory. There are many Camaros being built with this system (we're taking one to SEMA this year) and the production version of the Mustang is in final stages right now. If you chose to go this route, we would suggest you ship the car to us and have it installed here at our California factory.

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