What a whiner...707hp Dodge Challenger

[fleetus macmullitz]

...making some very appropriate noises. :thumbsup:

Z6gZ7mdRi40

[NOPANTS68]

Sweet looking. I like the wheels. Dodge is saying that's the fastest muscle car of all time. Hope it goes more than 201 then. Something tells me it won't.

[RoadRace Elco]

when are they going to get rid of those 70 series tires! all that HP it needs fatty's

[tones2SS]

...making some very appropriate noises. :thumbsup:
Z6gZ7mdRi40
Yes,...she sounds pretty mean. Twin intercooled and the grilles in front of the intercoolers come out for track days, if you prefer.
Real forced cold air through driver side halo light. Pretty sweet car. I am thinking it's more than the "announced 707 HP and 650 TQ at the crank.

Sweet looking. I like the wheels. Dodge is saying that's the fastest muscle car of all time. Hope it goes more than 201 then. Something tells me it won't.
Tim, the CEO of SRT, is saying it's the fastest muscle car to date.
And also the only muscle car to have that much HP. He is correct on the latter and I am sure that they have tested against other cars, like the GT500 in the quarter mile. Don't quote me, but I think this car runs in the mid 10's in STOCK form. (Again,...don't quote me on that. You know how rumors get started on the interwebs. lol)
We'll know more in a couple of weeks.

when are they going to get rid of those 70 series tires! all that HP it needs fatty's
I agree. That machine is begging for some meats out back!
That would be one of my first mods, is to run the fattest tire possible and safely.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Sweet looking. I like the wheels. Dodge is saying that's the fastest muscle car of all time. Hope it goes more than 201 then. Something tells me it won't.

Sports/super cars go 200+ not muscle cars. Muscle car performance is measured in 1320 feet and how much tire smoke it can produce. :action-smiley-027:

[NOPANTS68]

When you say fastest, that means you have outrun the Shelby. If he said quickest through the quarter and lovely smoke shows, then yeah I'd bite. Don't get me wrong, I like it more than the Shelby and the ZL1, but claims are claims. It's got a ton of snot, so it might do it.

[fleetus macmullitz]

In very hot temps and at high elevation, this stock Shelby GT500 did 196mph with Pobst driving. He said it's a 200mph car.

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The Challenger seems to be a fair amount heavier than the Shelby...certainly it's a bigger car obviously. We will see. :)

[Vince@Meanstreets]

When you say fastest, that means you have outrun the Shelby. If he said quickest through the quarter and lovely smoke shows, then yeah I'd bite. Don't get me wrong, I like it more than the Shelby and the ZL1, but claims are claims. It's got a ton of snot, so it might do it.

yeah.....but its still a Dodge :_paranoid


LOL

[fleetus macmullitz]

yeah.....but its still a Dodge :_paranoid

LOL



Yer doin a Weld imitation now Vince?!


:tv_happy:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Yer doin a Weld imitation now Vince?!


:tv_happy:

Haaaaa haaaaa no, I worked for dodge for many years and retired in 2009... I know how they are. ;)

[Damn True]

FWIW the base Challenger (w/o the Turbo and intercooler systems) is 4,082lbs.

[fleetus macmullitz]

So Vince, 5 years later is Dodge any closer to getting the your coveted...

:D

[fleetus macmullitz]

FWIW the base Challenger (w/o the Turbo and intercooler systems) is 4,082lbs.

Yep, it's gonna be a ...

[Vince@Meanstreets]

ahhh no Fiat does not. :twak:

LOL....its going to take a bunch to win me back. Its a deep seeded burn on what developed during 09-10. I refused to sell out.

The new Cuda looks promising.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Yes,...she sounds pretty mean. Twin intercooled and the grilles in front of the intercoolers come out for track days, if you prefer.
Real forced cold air through driver side halo light. Pretty sweet car. I am thinking it's more than the "announced 707 HP and 650 TQ at the crank.

Tim, the CEO of SRT, is saying it's the fastest muscle car to date.
And also the only muscle car to have that much HP. He is correct on the latter and I am sure that they have tested against other cars, like the GT500 in the quarter mile.


Tones,

For a guy that bleeds Ford 'green', you sure know alot about that porky Challenger.

:thankyou:

ahhh no Fiat does not. :twak:

LOL....its going to take a bunch to win me back. Its a deep seeded burn on what developed during 09-10. I refused to sell out.

Well Vince, at least you have your memories.


:tiptoe:

lol

[Moose]

has anyone seen a price yet? you know, before the 15k dealer premium:twak:

[fleetus macmullitz]

has anyone seen a price yet? you know, before the 15k dealer premium:twak:

I wondered that too so I did a little looking. Couldn't find any announcements on it yet.

[GregWeld]

Dodge products always stuck great motors in cars that couldn't turn left or right... so for me -- it's like who cares. On a twisty road - the base Corvette would probably run away from it.

I had an SRT 8 -- hated it. The 425HP sounded good at the time - it was such a ho hum vehicle that it just sat in the driveway.

What bugged me almost as much as the lame ass motor - was their plastic everything. The "hand" of the controls was so yesterday... especially if you got out of it and then took a ride in my sons Audi S4.... similar costs and the Audi was just so much more car.

The SRT ranked right there with my BMW M5 -- both ranked as two of the most disliked cars I've ever owned --- and I've owned a lot of cars.

[fleetus macmullitz]

From...

@automobilemag: How fast is the 707-hp #Dodge Challenger #Hellcat? Try 11.2 sec at 125 mph -- on street tires! http://t.co/fS23QreIIa http://t.co/c0WdVKnKmS

"We already knew the 2015 Dodge Challenger Hellcat packed a 707-hp punch from its supercharged 6.2-liter V-8 engine, but now we know just how quickly the muscle car will hustle down a quarter-mile track. According to Dodge's own testing, the Hellcat runs the quarter mile in 11.2 seconds at 125 mph.

When fitted with drag radials instead of its standard Pirelli P Zero street tires, the Hellcat managed a 10.8-second run at 126 mph.
"It wasn't long ago that a 10-second car, was a full-on race car," Dodge and SRT president Tim Kuniskis said in a statement. "Not only can Challenger run 10s on the drag strip, but you can also fit your family and drive cross country."

Read more: http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/1407-2015-dodge-challenger-hellcat-runs-11-2-second-quarter-mile/#ixzz37ApBVwoh

[fleetus macmullitz]

It finally got an interior upgrade...we'll see how much of an improvement it is after Vince reports back.

:hello:


lol

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I like the throw back slap stick and driver only console.

[JB400]

I don't see what all the negativity is about the Challenger. I don't have the luxury of owning any of the new Pony cars, but I have drove them. The Challenger SRT was the most practical of the 3. The Camaro SS has the potential to be a fun car, but visibility sucks, big time. The Mustang GT felt cheap and like it had no guts whatsoever.

I might be biased, but I could live with an elephant that can throw it's own weight around instead of a car you'd have to drive blind or a horse that just trips all over itself. Lets not forget, the Challenger can haul more than just one passenger and be comfortable. You might as well forget it when it comes to the other two. Their backseats are a joke.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Dodge products always stuck great motors in cars that couldn't turn left or right... so for me -- it's like who cares. On a twisty road - the base Corvette would probably run away from it.

I had an SRT 8 -- hated it. The 425HP sounded good at the time - it was such a ho hum vehicle that it just sat in the driveway.

What bugged me almost as much as the lame ass motor - was their plastic everything. The "hand" of the controls was so yesterday... especially if you got out of it and then took a ride in my sons Audi S4.... similar costs and the Audi was just so much more car.

The SRT ranked right there with my BMW M5 -- both ranked as two of the most disliked cars I've ever owned --- and I've owned a lot of cars.

Your thoughts echo what I've read about the pre-2015 Challengers interiors.

The Big 3 have really shot themselves for years cheaping out on interiors.

I read the C7 Vettes' is much, much better than past efforts.

Supposedly the 2015 Mustangs' and Challengers' are much better too.

Time will tell.

[tones2SS]

Tones,
For a guy that bleeds Ford 'green', you sure know alot about that porky Challenger.
:thankyou:

HA HA Yes. I have done some research on the Hellcat Skip.
It is still a heavy car and it would get beat going through the twisty roads. But, I don't think that the people at SRT had that fact in mind. Plus,...it's still a heavy car. They were going for all drag strip car. They won those bragging rights. For now. :stirthepot:
That being said, I think the ECM will "locked" as well. Which means it may be a bit difficult to add a smaller pulley, a CAI and a 93 tune. I'm sure it won't take long before the "code" is broken. lol :goggles:

[fleetus macmullitz]

I don't see what all the negativity is about the Challenger. I don't have the luxury of owning any of the new Pony cars, but I have drove them. The Challenger SRT was the most practical of the 3. The Camaro SS has the potential to be a fun car, but visibility sucks, big time. The Mustang GT felt cheap and like it had no guts whatsoever.

Camaro and Mustang fans reading your comments could say the same thing "I don't see what all the negativity is about."... right? :)

Dodge makes plenty of money on them. They could have spent some on giving their customers a high quality interior. That doesn't just come from me, it's a common complaint from owners. Hopefully they did for 2015.

I was interested in it because it is a bigger (and more comfortable car IMO) than the Stang and Camaro. Plus it looks great to me.

HA HA Yes. I have done some research on the Hellcat Skip.
It is still a heavy car and it would get beat going through the twisty roads. But, I don't think that the people at SRT had that fact in mind. Plus,...it's still a heavy car. They were going for all drag strip car. They won those bragging rights. For now. :stirthepot:


Yep. The Challenger buyer isn't interested in the fastest thing through the twisties. Maybe some of them new 60 series tires would help though.

:thankyou:

[CURVES]

Kinda funny,
Seems like the same conversation that might have taken place in 1970.
The big powerful Mopar and the nimble ponies......

[GregWeld]

Kinda funny,
Seems like the same conversation that might have taken place in 1970.
The big powerful Mopar and the nimble ponies......




My thought exactly. Nothing has changed in all these years. Mopar puts out a motor but the car it's in is not worthy. Meanwhile Ford and Chevy duke it out.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Camaro and Mustang fans reading your comments could say the same thing "I don't see what all the negativity is about."... right? :)

Dodge makes plenty of money on them. They could have spent some on giving their customers a high quality interior. That doesn't just come from me, it's a common complaint from owners. Hopefully they did for 2015.

I was interested in it because it is a bigger (and more comfortable car IMO) than the Stang and Camaro. Plus it looks great to me.



Yep. The Challenger buyer isn't interested in the fastest thing through the twisties. Maybe some of them new 60 series tires would help though.

:thankyou:
(moved from other thread)
The past LX platform was old and outdated circa 1998? It was ok but could use some help. I believe the new model is on the LA platform and im told is superior. We will see.

The multi link rear is well done.

I very happy that we still have rear wheel drive cars.
__________________

[fleetus macmullitz]

It surprised me to learn that Dodge was never looking to sell anywhere near as many Challengers as Ford does Mustangs and Chevy does Camaros.
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"A Month to Wait for the Hellcat
While those folks looking to buy a 2015 Dodge Challenger SXT, R/T Scat Pack or SRT392 can place their orders right now, the buyers who want the 707 horsepower will have to wait until August 8th. Production is reported to begin on September 2nd so the first Hellcat Challengers almost surely be hitting the roads before Halloween."

- See more at: http://www.torquenews.com/106/order-banks-open-2015-dodge-challenger-srt-not-hellcat#sthash.cnNBd17L.dpuf

[fleetus macmullitz]

@automobilemag: 707 hp, 11.2 sec. 1/4 mile...now add one more Challenger Hellcat number to the list: $60,990

http://t.co/IDF8YJ4Vro http://t.co/VklX6HAj95

[Vince@Meanstreets]

@automobilemag: 707 hp, 11.2 sec. 1/4 mile...now add one more Challenger Hellcat number to the list: $60,990

http://t.co/IDF8YJ4Vro http://t.co/VklX6HAj95

I heard that someone was in the low 10's with drag radials.

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

I've never been a huge fan of Dodge cars but the Challengers look like what a muscle car should look like. In fact, I'd go as far as saying that the new Camaros should've looked more like the Challengers and I'm a Chevy guy for the most part. Now, with the upgraded interior my second to last hangup has been taken care of. I'd get a Challenger over a Mustang or Camaro, IF I had the money to buy a new car in that range (price is my last hangup :drowninga: ).

In the mean time, I'll concentrate on making my '69 nicer. I've got less than half the price of that new Challenger in it and it's already pretty nice. Plus, it won't depreciate like new cars do.

In any case, Dodge is hitting a homerun with this thing for that type of money. $60,990 is just a little more than a base model vette and I think that's a heck of a deal for what it is. I'd love to have one, and if I had that kind of money to spend and the inclination to do so, I'd buy it over the Camaro or Mustang for sure. I'd have a hard time deciding between the Challenger and the Vette though. The new Vettes are pretty darn mean looking!

[tones2SS]

It surprised me to learn that Dodge was never looking to sell anywhere near as many Challengers as Ford does Mustangs and Chevy does Camaros.
I agree Skip. I think that is changing now. lol

@automobilemag: 707 hp, 11.2 sec. 1/4 mile...now add one more Challenger Hellcat number to the list: $60,990
http://t.co/IDF8YJ4Vro http://t.co/VklX6HAj95

A couple other numbers;
This car's top speed is 199 MPH.
This car's 0-60 time is the same as the 2015 Corvette Z06. (3.5 seconds)
Nice stuff indeed. :thumbsup:

[Al Moreno]

I've never been a huge fan of Dodge cars but the Challengers look like what a muscle car should look like. In fact, I'd go as far as saying that the new Camaros should've looked more like the Challengers and I'm a Chevy guy for the most part.

I like Camaros also but I have to agree with you, Dodge did a great jod appearance wise on the Challenger. To me it's definitely the prettiest of the three. Just wish it were as small as the original and it would have been a home run. Sucks that they built it on the 300 platform.

[Yenko boy]

I agree Skip. I think that is changing now. lol



A couple other numbers;
This car's top speed is 199 MPH.
This car's 0-60 time is the same as the 2015 Corvette Z06. (3.5 seconds)
Nice stuff indeed. :thumbsup:

Pretty sure they haven't confirmed any 2015 Z06 numbers besides the hp. But food for thought the last gen Zr1 was rated at 3.4 sec's to 60 so im pretty sure its safe to say that a Z06 equipped with gm's new 8l90e will dip a little lower. Regardless the hellcat will be a nice streetcar with impressive straight line numbers from the factory.

[tones2SS]

I thought you guys would like this one.
:tv_happy:

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[fleetus macmullitz]

Thanks for posting Tones. :thumbsup:

That bigg car does badd things.

:drive:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

not too bad for a 5000 lbs car on stock wheels and tires.

[fleetus macmullitz]

not too bad for a 5000 lbs car on stock wheels and tires.

Obviously Dodge could sell a whole bunch of these beasts.

And just a real nice number to look at too...'707'.

:wow:

[SSLance]

Cool video of it on the track. Looks like it even has the rev matching on downshifts option...

[Moose]

if the price is 61K we will give it a look. but not for 80.

I could take a srt8 for 41k and build a nasty little car for another 40k

[Evan Iroc-Z]

I can't help but think they hit 707 for a reason, flip it over and you have LOL. Are they laughing at the other two?

[Payton King]

That was clever.

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

I like Camaros also but I have to agree with you, Dodge did a great jod appearance wise on the Challenger. To me it's definitely the prettiest of the three. Just wish it were as small as the original and it would have been a home run. Sucks that they built it on the 300 platform.

Yeah, weight is an issue. But, I bet more people like the extra room than worry about the weight like "us types". The extra room makes it stand out from the pack.

[96z28ss]

They had 2 Hellcats at Beaches cruise in at PIR on Wednesday. They had a press day with them letting the reporters take them on the track.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Yeah, weight is an issue. But, I bet more people like the extra room than worry about the weight like "us types". The extra room makes it stand out from the pack.

There's one thing nice with "build as" weight and listed power numbers. There's an easy and more chances to make it faster.

Pull the jute, eliminate a few circuits, carbon fiber hood, trunk lid, stripped down the trunk, lighter wheels, suspension tuning and you'll have a nice little weekend track car.

Too bad crash standards and NVH reduction makes these cars tall and heavy.

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

There's one thing nice with "build as" weight and listed power numbers. There's an easy and more chances to make it faster.

Pull the jute, eliminate a few circuits, carbon fiber hood, trunk lid, stripped down the trunk, lighter wheels, suspension tuning and you'll have a nice little weekend track car.

Too bad crash standards and NVH reduction makes these cars tall and heavy.

Good point. More weight = more weight to lose. I could stand to drop about 50lbs myself. That'll help my 0-60 times!

[fleetus macmullitz]

Dissimilar cars for sure, but for entertainment purposes, the 2015 Mustang GT weighs in at 3705 lbs., a gain of 87 lbs over the 2014 Model.

It would seem that eventually the Mopar guys will get a nice little crate engine out of this horsepower war too.

[Revved]

All I have to say about this is....


Straight roads are for fast cars. Curvy roads are for fast drivers.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

All I have to say about this is....


Straight roads are for fast cars. Curvy roads are for fast drivers.

Colin McRae :thumbsup:


another good one.
If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. Ross Bentley

[tones2SS]

Obviously Dodge could sell a whole bunch of these beasts.
And just a real nice number to look at too...'707'.
:wow:

Yeah, the guys/gals on camaro5 are pretty interested in this car. More so than the Mustang guys. They really don't want to hear it. :D
The engine actually produces over 800 HP. It takes 80HP just to drive the supercharger. The HP at 1200 RPM is about 412 HP. Thing is BEAST! If you put your foot on the gas at WOT for about a minute, it sucks down 1.5 gallons of fuel. LOL The supercharger sucks in A LOT of air. If you put it in an office room that is 10X13,.....it will empty out that room in about a minute of all the air. :underchair: The engine is even SAE certified for the 707 HP and 650 lbs. TQ at the back of the crank. ALL HC, Hellcat engines are tested a bunch times BEFORE being installed into the cars to make sure they are dead on.
And,....I'm willing to bet it does as good, if not better than the Zl1 on the road course. You heard it here first. :poke: Not knocking the ZL1,...that thing is beast as well. I love'em all. Great time for modern muscle cars.

[fleetus macmullitz]

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-review-2014-7-23

[tones2SS]

This is a great video explaining/describing the engine by one of the engineers.

http://youtu.be/MrsKev_OYuA?list=UU6S0jAvcapqJ48ZzLfva12g

[BMR Sales]

My Friend, Terry Earwood just got done doing Driving Training in the HellCat - he said that it was Awesome!

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[fleetus macmullitz]

My Friend, Terry Earwood just got done doing Driving Training in the HellCat - he said that it was Awesome!

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Thanks for posting that. :thumbsup:

I went to his fb page and saw this...

"Lots of talk about the new Hellcat. Casey Carden, Todd Hanson, Peter Stolz and I got to test one at Chelsea last month while training some of the test drivers..
They held us to 150 on the oval in the rain:no helmets.. Bestest 'sounding' street legal car I ever heard or drove!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/terry.earwood

[NOPANTS68]

Looks cool in white with bronze hoops.

[tones2SS]

"Lots of talk about the new Hellcat. Casey Carden, Todd Hanson, Peter Stolz and I got to test one at Chelsea last month while training some of the test drivers..
They held us to 150 on the oval in the rain:no helmets.. Bestest 'sounding' street legal car I ever heard or drove!!!"

Yeah,...the exhaust is almost a "straight thru" exhaust. Has the electronic valves like the Corvette. I "assume" you can pull the fuse on that like on the Corvettes.
You know,....in case you wanted to make noise ALL the time, not just by getting on the "GO" pedal. :D

[JB400]

http://blog.caranddriver.com/super-charger-dodges-707-hp-hellcat-v-8-is-headed-for-the-charger-sedan/

Looks like the Charger is getting this engine as well.

[tones2SS]

http://blog.caranddriver.com/super-charger-dodges-707-hp-hellcat-v-8-is-headed-for-the-charger-sedan/
Looks like the Charger is getting this engine as well.

Yes indeed it is.

[tones2SS]

Here is a good read on the Hellcat for those that are interested.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1407_2015_dodge_challenger_srt_hellcat_first_test/

From the article;
Here's the part you've been waiting for. Our best run in the Hellcat resulted in 0-60 mph in 3.7 seconds before whacking the quarter mile upside the head in 11.7 seconds at 125.4 mph. So many things to note here. First of all, as far as direct competition still on sale, the Hellcat is quicker than the Camaro ZL1. The supercharged Chevy takes 3.8 seconds to hit 60 mph and requires 12.2 seconds to run the corner, trapping out at 116.6 mph. So, that's a win. What about competition you can't buy new anymore, like -- for instance -- the recently discontinued 662-hp Shelby GT500? The lighter Snake needed only 3.5 seconds for its 60-mph blast and 11.6 seconds to go down the quarter mile with a trap speed of 125.7 mph. Slight advantage: Ford. That said, it's gone, so in terms of new-car sales, the Snake don't matter. What about the Viper? In the TA, we saw 60 mph in 3.3 seconds and a quarter-mile spanking of 11.3 seconds with an astonishing trap speed of 129.3 mph. Of course, the Hellcat weighs 1000 pounds more than its big (but smaller) brother.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Also from that article...

Erick Ayapana, "The supercharger whine can double as an air raid siren."


:lol:

[tones2SS]

Also from that article...
Erick Ayapana, "The supercharger whine can double as an air raid siren."
:lol:

HA HAAAAAAAAAAAA
:headspin:

[BMR Sales]

Thanks for posting that. :thumbsup:

I went to his fb page and saw this...

"Lots of talk about the new Hellcat. Casey Carden, Todd Hanson, Peter Stolz and I got to test one at Chelsea last month while training some of the test drivers..
They held us to 150 on the oval in the rain:no helmets.. Bestest 'sounding' street legal car I ever heard or drove!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/terry.earwood

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[tones2SS]

Holy Moly she shifts fast! CRAZY FAST!
200 mph dyno.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKgXNAHVWRE&list=UU_P_GzqhC1hMW7W7_QiVnHA

[Vince@Meanstreets]

that last shift was a doosie

eight gears makes it sound like a scene from Fast and the Furious.

[fleetus macmullitz]

'America's got talent!'

iKgXNAHVWRE

[tones2SS]

Here's another.

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[fleetus macmullitz]

Thanks for posting Tony...best HC vid yet IMHO. :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

Thanks for posting Tony...best HC vid yet IMHO. :thumbsup:

I thought you'd enjoy it.
:relax:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

No electronic speed limitation. Nice

[fleetus macmullitz]

MWMjR3r-nsI

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Im always amazed by the size differences between the originals and modern version. I mean the 427 R/T looks like a dash model next to the modern day car.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Im always amazed by the size differences between the originals and modern version. I mean the 426 R/T looks like a dash model next to the modern day car.

That really surprised me as well Vince.

So cool that very 'un-politically correct' cars are continuing to get built by Dodge, Chevy and Ford.

[tones2SS]

Im always amazed by the size differences between the originals and modern version. I mean the 427 R/T looks like a dash model next to the modern day car.

Very true.
In all honesty,....I love the look of these Challengers. I am also a HUGE fan of the '70/'71 Challenger as well. Would love to own one someday. AFTER I get my '70 Chevelle SS, of course. :G-Dub: