ANOTHER Shipping-A-Car Thread

[CRCRFT78]

Would like your feedback whether + or -.

For the past couple of months I have been contemplating the thought of trying my hand at transporting. I bought a trailer to move my cars and other than the occasional "favor", it sits idle until I need it. Seeing crazycarls thread, and Vinces comments about having to ship and pickup cars make me believe this is possible. Nothing big time, mainly California delivery with Oregon, Washington & Nevada deliveries being a possibility. Transports such as the ones mentioned to Vegas, and the pickup in Oregon seem doable for a weekend to earn some extra money while seeing if this can materialize into more than a weekend gig.

I am looking into obtaining my Motor Carriers Permit and insurance. However, with the exception of not having either at the moment, would you consider this if you needed to have a vehicle transported and the rates were competitive?

I know there are A LOT of factors that come into play doing this and am wondering what some of you think.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Hey Jose,

The issue is going to be fuel.

I do transports occasionally but it as to be worth it. Not anymore due to time loss in the shop.
Careful planning to be sure the trailer has a load both ways is key to being successful.

I got a quote for $450 LA to SF and I can't compete with that.

[CRCRFT78]

That is a hard price to beat considering the cost of fuel. I think starting local and working my way out could possibly work for me. Its not something I can take on full time because I already have a job for that but to help out some members and do an occasional transport here and there couldn't hurt. Who knows, the spark might turn into a flame after awhile.

[GregWeld]

That's the problem Jose --- you can't haul one way - nobody will pay the fee for the costs of two ways for you and your rig - to get a car one way. It's a very competitive business... and your insurance alone might be enough to break the deal.

People want to ship there car ASAP -- and have it somewhere on a particular date --- so then how do you find a car that's ready on the date your in the area = and that needs to be shipped where you're returning to (or near).


Usually I'm very positive when someone wants to start a business -- but I don't see this one as being a money maker.


I have a buddy that drives cars for a living - on a part time basis - he's retired anyway -- and he drives for a company that supplies drivers to move cars from various magazine reviewers. Typically he picks up a car at point A -- takes it to point B - picks up a car from point B and returns it to "the terminal". These are mostly one day round trips... and he's simply driving one of the cars. The key is he gets to drive some pretty cool cars.

[motorscot]

I too am seriously considering getting into the transport business after I retire in 3 1/2 years.
A few months ago, after selling a sick CJ on Ebay, I met the transport guy when he came by to pick it up. He happens to live in the B'ham area and only takes South East jobs (GA, MS, AL, TN, north FL).
He is a LLC, has a 2 car trailer, but was considering a 3 car (which would put him under DOT regs, where you have to log mileage from state line to state line, and purchase fuel in each state, and be subject to drive time limits, etc). Anyway, he says he clears $1200+ a week. Skeptical, I did the math and it is very doable.
He is a member of 4 different sites that advertise transport jobs. He did not mention bidding for jobs. What I gathered was that he queried the sites, picked the jobs he wanted, and took off. He said he was spending $100-150/day in diesel with a Chevy Duramax, shortbed, crewcab, gooseneck, SRW. He packed meals in a cooler to cut costs and stayed in cheap hotels.
For instance: if you have a pick up in Savannah GA, that is going to Nashville TN, you pick it up and then grab another car in Asheville NC on the way. The Ashville car is going to Memphis TN. So, 24 hours and 1450 miles later, you are back home from a big circle trip.
Costs: Fuel $450, hotel/food $150
Breakdown: B'ham/Savannah, 395 miles @ 6hrs
Savannah/Asheville, 310 miles @ 5 hrs
Asheville/Nashville, 294 miles @ 4.75 hrs
Nashville/Memphis, 212 miles @ 3.25 hrs
Memphis/B'ham, 232 miles @ 4 hrs
Gross Pay: Savannah/Nashville job = $495 for 495 miles @$1/mile
Asheville/Memphis job = $505 for same
Net Pay (less expenses): $400. This breaks down to $18/driving hour

So, yes it can be worth it if you plan correctly. Taking a single pick up and then dead-heading home doesn't make you money. 4-5 pick ups a week can make you pretty good money, ie; $1200+. Mileage deduction is $0.51/mile IIRC, plus other write offs. Insurance, bonding (if required), initial vehicle purchase ($15k-50k), trailer ($5-9k), and other misc expenses.
The guy I spoke with seemed pretty happy, but keep in mind that you would be on the road a few days a week, or maybe just overnight once a week in the above scenario. Regardless, if you are selecting jobs from a national shipper like my driver was, instead of bidding for them, then I think it's a worthwhile endeavor. The shipping company was out of Phoenix, called me for vehicle info and such, and told me their driver would call me for final pick up notice. I was expecting a tractor/trailer to pull up, not a pickup truck.
Good luck

[BMR Sales]

If your are hauling commercially, you are subject to DoT Regulations, which means LogBooks, Max Daily Driving Time, Stopping at Weigh Stations, etc.

You need to figure in Fuel, Insurance, your time, vehicle depreciation and upkeep. I know our 1 Car enclosed trailer always seems to be going through tires ( 2-3 a year) and it is not used as much as you would be using it.

As someone else mentioned, you really need to book loads going both ways in order to make a profit

[GregWeld]

Here's another thing to think about ----- and this is not meant to be demeaning in any way so please - nobody take it this way!

Look around your neighborhood --- where you live --- and ask yourself if there are any "truck drivers" as neighbors. Actually --- this works for ANYTHING someone is thinking about doing. It's kind of a dumbed down survey --- but is PRACTICAL --- and tells you about what you can expect to earn. MORE? Or LESS? Because certain jobs pay enough to keep you in a particular lifestyle - whatever level that is...

[Che70velle]

My dad starting moving cars after retiring. Long story short, it was a lot more work than you'd think, and I don't remember him ever meeting a happy person at the end of the day. He started small, and moved up to a multi car stackable trailer, like what you'd see new cars being delivered on. He hated it, so he sold the trailer, signed on with a big national company, and started moving anything and everything coast to coast. He owned his own tractor, and actually made really good money, but was NEVER home. Had it not have been for colon cancer, he'd still be driving. He beat the cancer, by the way...

[CamaroMike]

Here's another thing to think about ----- and this is not meant to be demeaning in any way so please - nobody take it this way!

Look around your neighborhood --- where you live --- and ask yourself if there are any "truck drivers" as neighbors. Actually --- this works for ANYTHING someone is thinking about doing. It's kind of a dumbed down survey --- but is PRACTICAL --- and tells you about what you can expect to earn. MORE? Or LESS? Because certain jobs pay enough to keep you in a particular lifestyle - whatever level that is...

While we are on the subject, a guy once told me that "you will never make good money working with your hands." Not sure if he meant in general or what. Every situation is different and there are a lot of variables but what do you think about that quote.

[CRCRFT78]

All of you have brought up very valid points to consider. Going full time permanent probably isn't in the cards for me, but the occasional 1 or 2 weekends a month is doable for some extra cash. Also why I would consider staying on the West Coast. California, Nevada, Arizona, Oregon & Washington. Going commercial would make sense to me if it was going to be my only gig. I have driven commercial for the past 16 years, mainly SF Bay Area and going through all of the procedures just to be doing this once or twice a month would be costly. And probably not make smart business sense. On the flip side, when major transporters are booked and the timeline doesn't work with your schedule I may be free during the time you need it taken care of and it works out for both of us. I could see this being more of a helping hand for both parties. Just a thought after seeing some of you looking for transports.

[onevoice]

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He is a LLC, has a 2 car trailer, but was considering a 3 car (which would put him under DOT regs, ....

WRONG

If you are making money doing it, you are a commercial hauler and subject to DOT regs.

He will get caught, just a matter of time.

You can make a living at it, but it isn't easy money. Fuel is just the beginning of the expenses. Don't forget to figure the depreciation and maintenance. of the truck and trailer, and meeting the DOT regs, and paying your taxes, etc, etc.

Making money in the trucking business is all about loaded miles. Running empty will kill any prospect of doing well.

[onevoice]

I will elaborate a little since I am in the transportation business. Not being critical, but clarification is necessary

........Anyway, he says he clears $1200+ a week.

Very doable for a driver, just not how you describe

He is a member of 4 different sites that advertise transport jobs. He did not mention bidding for jobs. What I gathered was that he queried the sites, picked the jobs he wanted, and took off.

Anyone can be a member of the load boards, some are even free, so that doesn't imply any credibility. Since he is running illegal, he is probably using someone elses MC number(seen it). Possibly even a stolen one(ditto). Or maybe he is picking up loads for a shady operation. Trust me - there are plenty in the transport world.



He said he was spending $100-150/day in diesel with a Chevy Duramax, shortbed, crewcab, gooseneck, SRW. He packed meals in a cooler to cut costs and stayed in cheap hotels.


No way should anyone let their car be picked up by a transport company, if the driver shows up in a SRW, crewcab pickup. Probably doesn't have the required insurance either. New pickups are great vehicles, but they just aren't made for non-stop hauling like a big truck. Over the long haul, maintenance will be a nightmare.

For instance: if you have a pick up in Savannah GA, that is going to Nashville TN, you pick it up and then grab another car in Asheville NC on the way. The Ashville car is going to Memphis TN. So, 24 hours and 1450 miles later, you are back home from a big circle trip.
Costs: Fuel $450, hotel/food $150
Breakdown: B'ham/Savannah, 395 miles @ 6hrs
Savannah/Asheville, 310 miles @ 5 hrs
Asheville/Nashville, 294 miles @ 4.75 hrs
Nashville/Memphis, 212 miles @ 3.25 hrs
Memphis/B'ham, 232 miles @ 4 hrs
Gross Pay: Savannah/Nashville job = $495 for 495 miles @$1/mile
Asheville/Memphis job = $505 for same
Net Pay (less expenses): $400. This breaks down to $18/driving hour

These number are just nonsense. You cant legally go anywhere close to 1450 miles in 24 hours. Not to mention all those pickups and deliveries. Your time is worth something, even if it is spent loading or unloading. The last bit is the exact opposite of how to make money driving - paying attention to $ per hour. Drivers make bank by working (rolling) the MAXIMUM legal number of hours in a week.

So, yes it can be worth it if you plan correctly. Taking a single pick up and then dead-heading home doesn't make you money. 4-5 pick ups a week can make you pretty good money, ie; $1200+. Mileage deduction is $0.51/mile IIRC, plus other write offs. Insurance, bonding (if required), initial vehicle purchase ($15k-50k), trailer ($5-9k), and other misc expenses.

You cant set up a hauling company and be taking the deductions like you are a trucker without being a trucking company, unless you love DOT and IRS trouble. Also, you aren't going to be able to buy the insurance you NEED if you tell the insurance company you are operating under the table. And when you need the insurance - the insurance company won't pay when they find out you obtained it fraudulently.

The guy I spoke with seemed pretty happy,
Because he hasn't been caught YET. Talk to him again after he finishes paying his fines.


Regardless, if you are selecting jobs from a national shipper like my driver was, instead of bidding for them, then I think it's a worthwhile endeavor. The shipping company was out of Phoenix, called me for vehicle info and such, and told me their driver would call me for final pick up notice. I was expecting a tractor/trailer to pull up, not a pickup truck.
Good luck

Don't do it. Shipping companies like this are sleazes that will run for cover if the driver ever has a problem. They will claim he was a "contractor", and leave him dangling in the wind when something happens. Not to mention the trouble coming from when a wheel falls off his unmaintained equipment or especially when he falls asleep on the above mentioned 24 hour illegal run. There are plenty of cases of drivers going to prison for doing exactly that. Fraudulently doing business is all easy money until you end up someones bitch in prison.

The trucking business is dog eat dog. There are really good companies, and real **** ones.

Stay out of jail - do it right, do a good job, and you will do ok.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I think the only way you could make money transporting is if you worked for a company as a driver or get to know all your local drivers and start a transport brokerage company.

[CRCRFT78]

Ok I would just like to state that I didn't wake up and say to myself, you have a truck and trailer, you can be a transporter. Not that anyone is accusing me of that. What I am getting from some of the comments are unless you are prepared to do this legally and with the proper equipment, don't bother. What I am doing would be nothing more than a "paid favor."

I certainly don't want to do this illegally and be that sleazeball. I don't have the time or the money for fines or jail, lol. Driving commercially for so many years and discussing this with friends in the towing business made me inquire about doing this. Either way, some deep thought and research is in order.

[CamaroMike]

Ok I would just like to state that I didn't wake up and say to myself, you have a truck and trailer, you can be a transporter. Not that anyone is accusing me of that. What I am getting from some of the comments are unless you are prepared to do this legally and with the proper equipment, don't bother. What I am doing would be nothing more than a "paid favor."

I certainly don't want to do this illegally and be that sleazeball. I don't have the time or the money for fines or jail, lol. Driving commercially for so many years and discussing this with friends in the towing business made me inquire about doing this. Either way, some deep thought and research is in order.

I see what you are saying. If you were local I would def call you to move some of my stuff around for me on the weekends. I really like to trailer my stuff to the track but dont have a truck/trailer. All you really need is a small group of people like me in your area. I dont see why you wouldnt profit from it and have fun while doing so.

[CRCRFT78]

I see what you are saying. If you were local I would def call you to move some of my stuff around for me on the weekends. I really like to trailer my stuff to the track but dont have a truck/trailer. All you really need is a small group of people like me in your area. I dont see why you wouldnt profit from it and have fun while doing so.

I think this sums it up pretty well. Not everyone has the need for a trailer but when you need one it can be a PITA. Thats why I bought one.

[CamaroMike]

Ha, my buddy just texted me looking for someone to haul his car. Just put a word out around your local car community, you will find people. My friend has been hauling mine for a few years and i happily pay him!

[BMR Sales]

Ok I would just like to state that I didn't wake up and say to myself, you have a truck and trailer, you can be a transporter. Not that anyone is accusing me of that. What I am getting from some of the comments are unless you are prepared to do this legally and with the proper equipment, don't bother. What I am doing would be nothing more than a "paid favor."

I certainly don't want to do this illegally and be that sleazeball. I don't have the time or the money for fines or jail, lol. Driving commercially for so many years and discussing this with friends in the towing business made me inquire about doing this. Either way, some deep thought and research is in order.

A "Paid Favor" makes you commercial. If you get pulled over and the Officer asks you if the Vehicle is yours, you can't say yes and if you say no, he can say that you are doing it commercially and fine you.

I have a friend that used to pick up cars for me before I had my Trailer. He wouldn't let me borrow his Trailer (I have just as big of Truck as he does), so he always drove. I figured he wanted to get away from the wife & kids. And would never take money. Now I understand.

[motorscot]

I will elaborate a little since I am in the transportation business. Not being critical, but clarification is necessary


Very doable for a driver, just not how you describe



Anyone can be a member of the load boards, some are even free, so that doesn't imply any credibility. Since he is running illegal, he is probably using someone elses MC number(seen it). Possibly even a stolen one(ditto). Or maybe he is picking up loads for a shady operation. Trust me - there are plenty in the transport world.






No way should anyone let their car be picked up by a transport company, if the driver shows up in a SRW, crewcab pickup. Probably doesn't have the required insurance either. New pickups are great vehicles, but they just aren't made for non-stop hauling like a big truck. Over the long haul, maintenance will be a nightmare.



These number are just nonsense. You cant legally go anywhere close to 1450 miles in 24 hours. Not to mention all those pickups and deliveries. Your time is worth something, even if it is spent loading or unloading. The last bit is the exact opposite of how to make money driving - paying attention to $ per hour. Drivers make bank by working (rolling) the MAXIMUM legal number of hours in a week.



You cant set up a hauling company and be taking the deductions like you are a trucker without being a trucking company, unless you love DOT and IRS trouble. Also, you aren't going to be able to buy the insurance you NEED if you tell the insurance company you are operating under the table. And when you need the insurance - the insurance company won't pay when they find out you obtained it fraudulently.


Because he hasn't been caught YET. Talk to him again after he finishes paying his fines.




Don't do it. Shipping companies like this are sleazes that will run for cover if the driver ever has a problem. They will claim he was a "contractor", and leave him dangling in the wind when something happens. Not to mention the trouble coming from when a wheel falls off his unmaintained equipment or especially when he falls asleep on the above mentioned 24 hour illegal run. There are plenty of cases of drivers going to prison for doing exactly that. Fraudulently doing business is all easy money until you end up someones bitch in prison.

The trucking business is dog eat dog. There are really good companies, and real **** ones.

Stay out of jail - do it right, do a good job, and you will do ok.

I'm not sure where you are coming from with your charges of law breaking and under the table antics of my example. I am not attempting to glorify this local transporter and (in your opinion) his blatant disregard for the law (your words).

I am a LEO with over 20 years on the job and don't appreciate your insinuations.

Apparently my words were taken out of context and as the true gospel. Sorry for that. The dude was legit, he had insurance, he was DOT registered. He told me about deductions, maintenance, depreciation, etc.

When he said he wasn't sure if he wanted to deal with the extra paperwork of DOT regs, he was referring to the extra steps and issues with going over the 26,xxx lb GVWR and the included legalities. Much like Greg's concerns with truck/trailer GVWR and overall length which he could have been faced with when considering his car hauler.

Did I take his words as gospel? No. Did I feel like breaking down each and every minute of travel time through 5 states and varying traffic conditions, foul ups, and other unforseeables in my post so that I would have no chance of being misinterpreted? No.

I am in complete agreement with you in your assertion that you can't travel that far in two days. I merely used Mapquest.com to get general information.

I am in complete agreement with you when you talk about loaded windshield time being the way to maximize your income. I used the original poster's question as my premise of a part time operation.

I shouldn't have generalized so much and perhaps my words would not have been misconstrued. I was only trying to pass along info that I gleaned from my conversation with him. I would hope that being the logical and intelligent men that I believe all of us are, that we, or anyone, wishing to get into hauling would research it completely and go about it legally and responsibly.

As I have NOT done further investigation because I won't be eligible to retire for another 3 1/2 years, I wasn't going to waste my time right now.

When the time comes, I will do my due diligence and make a rational and informed decision.

I didn't ask if he was being emotionally or spiritually fulfilled by being a small time car hauler. BUT, he said that he made good money working for himself, and liked the job.

If any of my responses have come across as hostile, my apologies.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

just like anything else in this world. Do your homework and check your local laws and regulations.

[ccracin]

just like anything else in this world. Do your homework and check your local laws and regulations.

He will for sure. The LEO Scott mentions above is Law Enforcement Officer. He'll have handle on it for sure. I think while onevoice was trying to be helpful, his reply came off as condescending to me. Either way, it's all good information. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Ok I would just like to state that I didn't wake up and say to myself, you have a truck and trailer, you can be a transporter. Not that anyone is accusing me of that. What I am getting from some of the comments are unless you are prepared to do this legally and with the proper equipment, don't bother. What I am doing would be nothing more than a "paid favor."

I certainly don't want to do this illegally and be that sleazeball. I don't have the time or the money for fines or jail, lol. Driving commercially for so many years and discussing this with friends in the towing business made me inquire about doing this. Either way, some deep thought and research is in order.



The minute ANYTHING changes hands in exchange for doing something... it's COMMERCIAL.

So here's the problem.

If everything goes okay -- everybody is happy... and everyone goes about their business....


BUTT -- Always a big butt in the room...


If you have an accident -- or something happens to the customers car... or anything other than a perfect pickup and drop off... you begin to have problems.

Since you're not covered on your insurance as "commercial" -- they're not going to cover you... The person you did the "favor" for - is now pissed and wants his pound of flesh and is more than happy to start singing his song about how he paid you... Then all bets are off. You're in deep shizzle without a shizzlepaddle.


I just hauled Brian Hobaugh's Camaro -- and Bret Voekel's Camaro down to Texas for them - and brought Ed Capen's Corvette home to California. I wouldn't so much as take a bottle of water! They offered -- and each time I said "thanks" but no can do! That way they could never claim I was paid to do this === I did this as a pure favor. Period. I wouldn't even agree to take anything when I dropped their stuff off safe and sound! Because... then they could claim we had a "deal". No thanks! Nothing zip nada.

So my advice is to go commercial all the way if that's what you plan to do. Do it right - factor in all the overhead - and be clean as a whistle. Otherwise - it's only a matter of time when the lawsuits start flying.

[onevoice]

I'm not sure where you are coming from with your charges of law breaking and under the table antics of my example. I am not attempting to glorify this local transporter and (in your opinion) his blatant disregard for the law (your words).

I am a LEO with over 20 years on the job and don't appreciate your insinuations.

Apparently my words were taken out of context and as the true gospel. Sorry for that. The dude was legit, he had insurance, he was DOT registered. He told me about deductions, maintenance, depreciation, etc.

When he said he wasn't sure if he wanted to deal with the extra paperwork of DOT regs, he was referring to the extra steps and issues with going over the 26,xxx lb GVWR and the included legalities. Much like Greg's concerns with truck/trailer GVWR and overall length which he could have been faced with when considering his car hauler.

Did I take his words as gospel? No. Did I feel like breaking down each and every minute of travel time through 5 states and varying traffic conditions, foul ups, and other unforseeables in my post so that I would have no chance of being misinterpreted? No.

I am in complete agreement with you in your assertion that you can't travel that far in two days. I merely used Mapquest.com to get general information.

I am in complete agreement with you when you talk about loaded windshield time being the way to maximize your income. I used the original poster's question as my premise of a part time operation.

I shouldn't have generalized so much and perhaps my words would not have been misconstrued. I was only trying to pass along info that I gleaned from my conversation with him. I would hope that being the logical and intelligent men that I believe all of us are, that we, or anyone, wishing to get into hauling would research it completely and go about it legally and responsibly.

As I have NOT done further investigation because I won't be eligible to retire for another 3 1/2 years, I wasn't going to waste my time right now.

When the time comes, I will do my due diligence and make a rational and informed decision.

I didn't ask if he was being emotionally or spiritually fulfilled by being a small time car hauler. BUT, he said that he made good money working for himself, and liked the job.

If any of my responses have come across as hostile, my apologies.

I wasn't trying to be critical, but by giving example numbers, I assumed you were using them to making a point. This is a good example of always doing your research. I understand your LEO background, but again, if you are not in DOT enforcement, your experience may not be up to date. For example, just by being a vehicle for hire, the driver you talked to is AUTOMATICALLY governed by the DOT regulations, he doesn't get a choice if he needs a CDL or not, and he must abide by all the regulations, including log books. The FMCA/DOT regulations are somewhat confusing and certainly lengthy, but the bottom line is that anyone hauling freight like vehicles, across state lines, for hire, is on borrowed time if they are ignoring the regs and they WILL get caught. It's just a matter of time.

There are two definitions of a commercial motor vehicle. The first is found in FMCSR 390.5 and covers vehicles with gross vehicle weights (GVW) or gross vehicle weight ratings (GVWR) between 10,001 and 26,000 lbs. An example would be a Ford F-350 dual rear-wheel pickup with a GVWR of 11,300 lbs., or a combination unit such as a Ford F-150 pickup (with a GVWR of 7,200 lbs.) towing a trailer with a GVWR of 2,801 lbs. or more.

Once the vehicle or combination vehicle exceeds 10,000 lbs., it is regulated and FMCSR Parts 390-396 and 399 apply.

An example that should make us all nervous from the FMCA website:

A company driver is operating a pickup truck and towing a trailer. The driver is transporting company property to a work site or delivering products to a customer and is pulled over by a law enforcement officer for a broken taillight. The officer approaches the driver, requesting license and registration.

After a quick look at the documents, the officer asks for the driver's Health Card (Certificate of Medical Exam) and/or log book. The driver has neither, and a citation is issued for the lack of health card, log book, as well as the broken taillight. The truck and trailer combination weighs at least 10,001 lbs., but less than 26,000 lbs

The 26000 discussion was in reference to private vehicles that must abide by commercial regulations due to their weight. regardless of whether they are being used for a business.

There are plenty of exceptions in the regs, such as for farmers in certain situations, but there isn't one for car guys. :D

Last year in my area, the DOT guys were out for blood and pulling over any dually pickup with a magnetic sign on the side. My general contractor friend traded his dually for a SRW truck just to avoid the hassle. The lawn care guys took the signs off their trucks, but were still getting pulled over if they had a couple of mowers on a trailer.

Good luck.

[motorscot]

onevoice: Thank you for the clarification. I had no reason to believe or suspect that he was operating illegally. His statement of logging mileage was there, along with hotel stay vs sleeping in his truck. I am aware of wheel time and their limits (but I don't know what the max drive time allowed is). I would like to think he kept accurate logs. I spoke with him for about 15 minutes and paraphrased our conversation. I didn't ask about medical cards or anything else.

The only thing that I recall was he implied there was additional logs to keep after exceeding 26xxx lbs. Something to do with having to purchase fuel in each state you enter. I don't do DOT checks and never will.

Regardless, you definitely provide good info as to the complexities involved and some possible pitfalls to be aware of.

[CRCRFT78]

I myself, would not get into this unless I was properly licensed and insured.
I would not run the risk of losing my commercial license, house, vehicles, freedom or whatever else by trying to skate past the law. All intents and purposes would be to do this by the book.

[CamaroMike]

I just hauled Brian Hobaugh's Camaro -- and Bret Voekel's Camaro down to Texas for them - and brought Ed Capen's Corvette home to California. I wouldn't so much as take a bottle of water! They offered -- and each time I said "thanks" but no can do! I wouldn't even agree to take anything when I dropped their stuff off safe and sound!


My friends need to be more like you!

[BMR Sales]

The minute ANYTHING changes hands in exchange for doing something... it's COMMERCIAL.

So here's the problem.

If everything goes okay -- everybody is happy... and everyone goes about their business....


BUTT -- Always a big butt in the room...


If you have an accident -- or something happens to the customers car... or anything other than a perfect pickup and drop off... you begin to have problems.

Since you're not covered on your insurance as "commercial" -- they're not going to cover you... The person you did the "favor" for - is now pissed and wants his pound of flesh and is more than happy to start singing his song about how he paid you... Then all bets are off. You're in deep shizzle without a shizzlepaddle.


I just hauled Brian Hobaugh's Camaro -- and Bret Voekel's Camaro down to Texas for them - and brought Ed Capen's Corvette home to California. I wouldn't so much as take a bottle of water! They offered -- and each time I said "thanks" but no can do! That way they could never claim I was paid to do this === I did this as a pure favor. Period. I wouldn't even agree to take anything when I dropped their stuff off safe and sound! Because... then they could claim we had a "deal". No thanks! Nothing zip nada.

So my advice is to go commercial all the way if that's what you plan to do. Do it right - factor in all the overhead - and be clean as a whistle. Otherwise - it's only a matter of time when the lawsuits start flying.

Great explanation Greg! :thumbsup:

[CRCRFT78]

Can those of you that do this for a living or have had cars shipped give me some insight into the insurance aspect of this. Are the transporters covered under a set dollar amount, say a $5 million policy and the items being shipped insured under a separate dollar amount or the same policy?

[BMR Sales]

Jose, that is a good question to ask when you are talking to the Shippers. Brokers may not know what the Individual Trucking Co's are offering and that is another down-side to Brokers.

Also make sure that you have Your insurance up to date and ask your Insurance Agent about coverage during Shipping

[Ron in SoCal]

Last time I shipped, I requested documentation as an 'additional insured.' Just in case, you know?

I believe there's a total load limit amount and per vehicle limit. Depending on insurer, your mileage may vary...

[onevoice]

Can those of you that do this for a living or have had cars shipped give me some insight into the insurance aspect of this. Are the transporters covered under a set dollar amount, say a $5 million policy and the items being shipped insured under a separate dollar amount or the same policy?

I don't do autos, but in my end of the business, carriers typically carry a pretty much standard $100k cargo insurance. They have separate liability insurance. Be aware that the trucking industry is very specialized, I do general types of consumer and business to business cargo. The auto transporters probably ONLY do autos/wheeled things. Bulk liquids/solids, alcohols, household goods, etc are all fairly distinct types of cargo. I would guess the auto transporters include insurance needed in their pricing. Of course, any amount of insurance can be bought. One of the difficult things about shipping autos is that they are not new, so valuation and condition are very important to determine before shipping.


Brokers may not know what the Individual Trucking Co's are offering and that is another down-side to Brokers..
I am a broker. Any decent broker will know the insurance of the carriers they use. But that said, there is no reason to use a broker to ship a car. The advantage a broker brings is access to thousands of carriers that a typical individual or company doesnt have. And I have a network of carriers that depend on me to find them loads. I can get cheaper rates than an individual because of the shipping volume I do (10's of thousands of loads from my office). That doesn't apply in the car shipping world, it is pretty easy to find the good carriers, and no one is shipping very many.

[clill]

I know Reliable-Carriers has 5 mil coverage on every trailer.

[BMR Sales]

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I am a broker. Any decent broker will know the insurance of the carriers they use. But that said, there is no reason to use a broker to ship a car. The advantage a broker brings is access to thousands of carriers that a typical individual or company doesnt have. And I have a network of carriers that depend on me to find them loads. I can get cheaper rates than an individual because of the shipping volume I do (10's of thousands of loads from my office). That doesn't apply in the car shipping world, it is pretty easy to find the good carriers, and no one is shipping very many.

Sorry, but that doesn't make sense to me. 1st you say you are a Broker, but there is no reason to use a Broker!

Granted it's easy to find a Good Shipper (Like Reliable or Passport), but if someone is looking to ship a car for a lot less than the Big Names charge, they wouldn't have access to Network of Shippers. Also Car Shipping is very big - I have had to wait on even the Big Names to pick up a car since they were so busy. Yesterday I did a 250 Trip in our Single Car Trailer and must have seen 25 Full 6-8 Car Haulers. This morning on my way to work (14 Miles) I saw 5!

[onevoice]

Sorry, but that doesn't make sense to me. 1st you say you are a Broker, but there is no reason to use a Broker!

Granted it's easy to find a Good Shipper (Like Reliable or Passport), but if someone is looking to ship a car for a lot less than the Big Names charge, they wouldn't have access to Network of Shippers. Also Car Shipping is very big - I have had to wait on even the Big Names to pick up a car since they were so busy. Yesterday I did a 250 Trip in our Single Car Trailer and must have seen 25 Full 6-8 Car Haulers. This morning on my way to work (14 Miles) I saw 5!

There is no reason to use a broker TO SHIP A CAR

Car shipping is a small pimple on the ass of the domestic transportation market. Private car shipments are too small for my line of work, and are highly specialized. Like I said, my office makes 10's of thousands of shipments a year. Plus I only ship for companies, not individuals.

If you are shipping a single car every once in a while, my advice is to only deal with the big dogs in the car shipping world. They know the ins and outs of insurance, and have a reputation to uphold. That will be a big thing in your favor.

If you need to ship for business and do it with frequency, you will make contacts with many carriers. Cultivate a relationship with a carrier that does a good job for you (in the office, not just a courteous driver) and use them for everything. This is where a broker may help, they will have a relationship and "pull" with carriers because of the volume they do. Relationships and trust matter, whether with a carrier or a broker.

[BMR Sales]

There is no reason to use a broker TO SHIP A CAR

Car shipping is a small pimple on the ass of the domestic transportation market. Private car shipments are too small for my line of work, and are highly specialized. Like I said, my office makes 10's of thousands of shipments a year. Plus I only ship for companies, not individuals.

If you are shipping a single car every once in a while, my advice is to only deal with the big dogs in the car shipping world. They know the ins and outs of insurance, and have a reputation to uphold. That will be a big thing in your favor.

If you need to ship for business and do it with frequency, you will make contacts with many carriers. Cultivate a relationship with a carrier that does a good job for you (in the office, not just a courteous driver) and use them for everything. This is where a broker may help, they will have a relationship and "pull" with carriers because of the volume they do. Relationships and trust matter, whether with a carrier or a broker.

Now I know what you are saying,

But in some ways I will have to disagree about Brokers vs the Big Names. I don't have any cars shipped by our company but over the last 10 Years I have shipped a Dozen Cars Nationally & Internationally. I do have a Broker that I first started with that has taken care of 95% of what I have shipped. Most of these were open Transport (2 were enclosed) and the Price that I received was well below what a Big Name transporter charges. In fact as an example I had one car going from Tampa to Seattle that the guy wanted Enclosed and I had an identical car coming from Seattle to Tampa on Open Transport. These cars literally criss-crossed each other coming across the Country. The Open Transport was $950 and the Enclosed was $2700 - The Open Transport had no Problems and the Big Name Enclosed damaged the transmission by putting it in gear after strapping it down. I also had Reliable do a Enclosed Transport for me. I told them I would meet them 2 Blocks from my House in a Church Parking Lot due to low trees on my street. The Driver insisted on trying to make it. He drove over one of my neighbors lawn, took out Two trees and the Power Lines on my street AND he still ended up a block away. I also have had a Big Name (Passport) take an Order from and then couldn't pick it up. Then they wanted me to switch to Exotic. I decide to go another route and the Exotic would not stop calling me for 2 weeks.

So to me, it's all a Crap-Shoot!

[onevoice]

...I do have a Broker that I first started with that has taken care of 95% of what I have shipped. Most of these were open Transport (2 were enclosed) and the Price that I received was well below what a Big Name transporter charges. In fact as an example I had one car going from Tampa to Seattle that the guy wanted Enclosed and I had an identical car coming from Seattle to Tampa on Open Transport. These cars literally criss-crossed each other coming across the Country. The Open Transport was $950 and the Enclosed was $2700 -

So to me, it's all a Crap-Shoot!

Yes, it is a little bit of a crap-shoot. Driving a truck is a thankless job. Drivers can make a good bit of money, but the life on the road can be hell. Thats one reason why driver turnover in the industry is greater than 100% per year. Think about that for a minute the next time you bitch about a truck driver, most have less than a year on the job. And the industry currently has record driver shortages.

As far as prices go, it is very true that a good broker can save you money. But finding a good broker can be as difficult as finding a good trucking company.