Any Word on Rumored DSE Sub-Frame?

[MattG]

Title says it all...just bought a '69 Camaro Vert and am trying to make up my mind on what to do with the front end.

Thanks,

Matt

[trapin]

It's been in development for a long time now. I remember Kyle telling me about it when they were still in Michigan about 2 years ago. I'm sure it'll be pretty spectacular when it comes out. I would say look for it in the Fall or at the very latest early '07.

[J2SpeedandCustom]

I heard that they were going to debute it at GG Columbus this year.

[Nutsy]

Matt,

Is this the Matt from Ontario that used to work at Autoworx?

Its Trevor. When did you get your 69? PM me, i would love to catch up with you. That is if i am speaking to the right Matt. ;)

Trev

[71Nova]

Trev
Is this the Trev from Canada that I met at ATS? Hows your Camaro coming along? This is David from Ontario CA

[jonny51]

I heard it was going to be out this July,but who knows.

[mazspeed]

I heard that they were going to debute it at GG Columbus this year.
I heard the same thing on Friday.

[Bowtieracing]

What would be the gains compared to stock or waynes with DSE arms ? More front tire? Weight ?

[Nutsy]

Trev
Is this the Trev from Canada that I met at ATS? Hows your Camaro coming along? This is David from Ontario CA

Hey David, yes it is me! Camaro hasn't changed much. I have been way too busy with work and other things right at the moment. I hope to get the garage reno's finished by the end of the summer which will allow me to start on the Camaro in the fall... in the mean time i need to get my daily driver back on the road first.

Sorry to threadjack Matt! FWIW i am anxiously awaiting the front clip from DSE as well for my 69.

Trev

[MattG]

Trev,

No prob....I just can't make my mind up about which sub-frame route to go and if I redo the original, I'm gonna use DSE parts anyway, guess I'll keep waiting like the rest of us, June's not far off.

Thanks for the replies guys.

Matt

[galopin]

Kyle told me in March that the sub would debut at Columbus.

[Nutsy]

When is Columbus?

[tyoneal]

Hello,

I'm new to the forum and in search of any and all new projects coming out for my soon to be Pro-Touring 69 Camaro.

Can anyone point me in the right direction for info on this?

Thanks,

Ty

[jonny51]

Ty first off welcome to the site.Try making a post in the open discussion area and you will get a better response.

[coolclassiccars]

i talked to kyle at goodguys hershey,said they were trying to get it in his wifes 69 for the power tour,he showed us pictures on his lap top this think will no doubt be like no other sub on the market,will accommadate 10'' wheel, lots of other features also.will be at goodguys columbus for your viewing pleasure.has all the dse quality you could expect. :thumbsup:

[uk68327]

That sounds fantastic, my car is being stripped/painted and having DS&E stuff put on at the end of July, wonder if I should wait for the DS&E subframe instead of prepping my original?........mmmmm :wow:

Hopefully pictures will be posted very soon :D

[JamesJ]

As coolclassiccars said it is like no other one for sure. When I saw the pics last year it was not what I was expecting. ;)

[tyoneal]

For those who have seen it,

What did it look like?

Where brackets on it for complete front end assymbly?

Was it in a word, "Tubular"?

Any question I didn't ask, please feel free to volunteer everything you know.

Thanks,

tyoneal

[dplenzig]

DSE was at the Colorado Good Guys show and I stopped in. They won't say much about it, but from the pics I'd say its not tubular and I got the impression none of the current DSE pieces will work nor will stock spindles and brakes. Its a one off set up. Check out the front of the new catalog. Not the final pic, but you can get an idea.

Daren

[Stuart Adams]

Matt, if you can do it, wait for the DSE sub. Alot of engineering and thought and testing will be in the design. Give it a look before pulling the trigger on something else, IMO. Good luck with the vert.

[tyoneal]

dplenzig:

Thanks for posting the picture. Compared to an original Sub-frame, it is quite different. Lucky for us it looks like they are engineering lots of room for wider tires. :thumbsup:

Thanks again.

tyoneal

[Stuart Adams]

Kyle will be on Power Tour today with Stacey's camaro sporting the new sub frame. 10 inch tire no problem, cool.

[MattG]

Thanks for all the response guys. I talked to Stacy at DSE and many people on the PowerTour in Harrisburg, and the sub-frame is truly going to be awesome. I will be working with Jason at G-Force Design Concepts and hope to get one of the subframes sometime in Aug. or Sept. for my '69 Vert.
It will have hydro formed rails, accept 10" tires, and have completely new geometry. Basicly it will be the dream subframe I have been waiting for...can't wait! :thumbsup:

Matt

[Rob07002]

Any word on how much???

PS, did you buy Jason's vert?

[MattG]

Rob,

Didn't get a firm answer on the price...somewhere in the 6,000 to 7,000 range, but no one would give me a sure price yet. I didn't buy Jason's car, although it was tempting. I found a good car in New York...straight 6 with a power top, a really good base car to start with.

I'll be starting on it this fall, so the sub-frame should be out by then and between that and the DSE 4-link, it will be a hell of alot of fun! :yes:

Matt

[Rob07002]

Yeah thats what I heard too. Ouch! Nice to meet a fellow vert owner, do you have any pics? Do you plan to mini tub it? Sorry for all the q's just curious by nature...

Good luck with it and keep me posted.

Rob

PS where did you find a vert base in New York? I looked for almost 2 years before I found mine in Maryland. I would love to know what you paid if you don't mind telling me...

[Bowtieracing]

It will have hydro formed rails, accept 10" tires, and have completely new geometry. Basicly it will be the dream subframe I have been waiting for...can't wait! :thumbsup:

Matt

MattG , this sounded soooo intrested!!!

Rob,

Didn't get a firm answer on the price...somewhere in the 6,000 to 7,000 range, but no one would give me a sure price yet. Matt

And now it looks morelike dream to me..

Do you know what is included to this price range ?

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Mite of already said this But dose it us their control arms ..

-Paul

[trapin]

That's strange that it wasn't engineered for their control arms...does it use C4, C5, or C6 stuff instead?

I can't believe nobody got a pic of Stacy's car and a shot of the suspension...unless they were asked not to.

Wow...a $7000 suspension.

....that's a life I will never know. :(

[Sales@Dutchboys]

I thought 4500 for mine was alot!

-Paul

[XcYZ]

No official pricing has been given and the rumored cost doesn't define the options. I would take the rumored pricing at face value - internet rumors. I seem to remember this exact same thing happening with the billet hinges, so I wouldn't get too worked up and wait until the official announcement happens which will include a price structure for available options. :)

[MattG]

Just to address the rumored price, the subframe will have everything but brakes. What I do know for a fact (and this comes from Stacy at DSE) is that it will be similar in price to a complete Wayne Due, or 21st Cent. subframe, once again without brakes.

After taking a ride in "Fuel" the other day with Jason at G Force Design Concepts, the standard DSE Speed 3 Kit impressed the hell out of me. That along with their Quadra link and I know that I will either do one or the other as far as the front end goes. I think it will come down to what shape my original subframe is in.

Rob, to answer your question, yes DSE mini tub, in fact, I think I'm just gonna pull up in front of DSE and buy nearly everything they have for my '69...can't wait! :D Pics to come soon...

Matt

[murtah]

That seems more in line with what I heard from them at the Del Mar show. A WD runs 5900-6000 minus brakes and a 21st runs 6500 with C5 brakes.

What I don't understand is the lack of publicity. One would think they would release a few photos or a paragraph or 2 about it. The last time I spoke with them, they said they would have something under speed news on their website. Still, I am half tempted to visit a buddy in Ohio that weekend.

[cykotic]

I'm a little out of the loop, but I know dse has some top notch stuff, but what is the big difference from waiting for the dse sub and just breaking down and getting one from 21st century? I've been really impressed with what 21st century has been coming out with.

[Steve1968LS2]

I'm a little out of the loop, but I know dse has some top notch stuff, but what is the big difference from waiting for the dse sub and just breaking down and getting one from 21st century? I've been really impressed with what 21st century has been coming out with.

I'm VERY happy with my 21st Century subframe and the quality of the work. It also had features nobody else had like eccentric lower control arm bolts (just like the Vette) and upper control arm offset inserts. Also, the fit and finish of the welds is pretty damn impressive and it bolted together and into the car without a hitch.

I can't comment on the DSE unit since there's zero info on it, but they turn out fine products. Can't wait to eventually see the new subframe.

[Datsbad]

I'm VERY happy with my 21st Century subframe and the quality of the work. It also had features nobody else had like eccentric lower control arm bolts (just like the Vette) and upper control arm offset inserts. Also, the fit and finish of the welds is pretty damn impressive and it bolted together and into the car without a hitch.

I can't comment on the DSE unit since there's zero info on it, but they turn out fine products. Can't wait to eventually see the new subframe.

I do know that none of it is C5-C6 stuff. Its all there own design .

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Im sure when it comes out They will sell like hot cakes....even though they are alot of many just like them hindges...

-Paul