Ultimate Street Car Association - 2014 rules

[USCA 1]

The 2014 rules for the Ultimate Street Car Association (USCA) are posted at http://ultimatestreetcarassociation.com/usca-rules/

Our rules are constructed to:

Emphasize safety, education and fun
Highlight real street cars
Encourage participation for all skill levels
Provide a consistent event format

​We realize that the rules will not please everyone - in fact, they may not please a lot of people. We have utilized our co-founders extensive professional event knowledge and experience (over 50 years), along with that of our master level sponsors and others, both within and outside of the industry, to create a ruleset that focuses on safety, organization, real street cars, and a fun and inviting spirit of performance street car gatherings. Our goal is to provide world-class performance street car events to owners of all years, makes and models and of all skill levels from beginner to expert.

If you have questions regarding the 2014 rules, please email me, Jimi Day - Co-founder, at [email protected].

[Rod P]

I like the separation classes, 2point penalty per cone

[65_LS1_T56]

Just read thru the rules, I din't see anything that was unreasonable at all. Even though I'm not a big road course guy, the run group descriptions seem nicely split up.

I get the <3000 lb and >3000 classes, but am a little unclear on the "Professional driver" description. Are sponsor cars (not to pick on Kyle, he's a great guy) like DSE considered "professional"? Just a question.

Looking forward to hitting a few of the USCA events next year :thumbsup:

[camcojb]

I need to leave an explanation in regard to what happened to the other rules thread posted yesterday. Jimi had originally posted the rules changes under his FM3 Marketing username. He later decided he wanted the post made under another username he created for handling this event (USCA 1). Since he wanted to keep his new username separate from the old one he had to start a new thread.

I cannot move the replies from the older thread over to this new thread because the forum software merges them according to the time of day they were posted; the earliest one would be post #1, and so on. When I tried, that pushed the new post#1 above down to position #10 or so since it was posted several hours after the original thread started. At that point the thread made no sense at the beginning.

Hopefully I haven't confused you further. :sieg: We had to start the entire thread over, it was not due to any postings or problems in the thread itself. Please feel free to ask your questions again, I promise they will not disappear. :lol:

[GregWeld]

Oh good! Because I thought maybe it got deleted because I kinda sorta said that I liked Tim....

[camcojb]

Oh good! Because I thought maybe it got deleted because I kinda sorta said that I liked Tim....
:thankyou:

[Jr]

Question:
Under general rules #2- what about ethanol?

[71RS/SS396]

Oh good! Because I thought maybe it got deleted because I kinda sorta said that I liked Tim....

You're lucky you didn't get banned for that! :D

[mfain]

Question: Reference the following: "and have a factory affixed
OE manufacturer production tag or plate. The USCA does not allow kit cars, modern reproductions, or other vehicles that were not issued or do not have a factory affixed OE manufacturer production tag or plate." What about a production vehicle that has a "lost" vin tag but has gone through a state inspection to verify the title and frame serial number and was subsequently issued a state-affixed replacement vin tag? The car in this scenario is not a kit car or reproduction, but rather a production vehicle with a "Government" (state) issued ID tag rather than OE affixed.

Thanks

Pappy

[LS7 Z/28]

I think you guys will find that the rules have been put in place to give a general starting point to go off of, as with any sanctioning body. It's going to tough for Jimi and all of these guys to deal with because they will never be able to keep everyone happy. These rules will be scrutinized and will definitely be amended over time. I'm quite certain there will be many judgment calls made by the officials.

I can't speak for them, but Pappy you are getting way too technical with rule book. A car in the situation you are speaking of will be fine.

With some of this you are just going to have to read between the lines. E85, ethanol should most definitely be allowed. Its essentially "gasoline"

[James OLC]

Jimi had stated previously (yesterday) that E85 was OK.

He had also posted that specific "judgement calls" about individual cars (i.e. Pappy's car or when is a kit not a kit) would be dealt with individually essentially upon request.

I think that they have done a really good job in putting together a pretty broad rule set that doesn't specifically eliminate anybody from participating and having a great time regardless of what they drive.

[BMR Sales]

Question: Reference the following: "and have a factory affixed
OE manufacturer production tag or plate. The USCA does not allow kit cars, modern reproductions, or other vehicles that were not issued or do not have a factory affixed OE manufacturer production tag or plate." What about a production vehicle that has a "lost" vin tag but has gone through a state inspection to verify the title and frame serial number and was subsequently issued a state-affixed replacement vin tag? The car in this scenario is not a kit car or reproduction, but rather a production vehicle with a "Government" (state) issued ID tag rather than OE affixed.

Thanks

Pappy

My car started life as a European Delivery Vehicle and as Such does not have a Windshield VIN Plate, but is a Production vehicle with a Hard to find VIN Number

T.C.

[USCA 1]

Question: Reference the following: "and have a factory affixed
OE manufacturer production tag or plate. The USCA does not allow kit cars, modern reproductions, or other vehicles that were not issued or do not have a factory affixed OE manufacturer production tag or plate." What about a production vehicle that has a "lost" vin tag but has gone through a state inspection to verify the title and frame serial number and was subsequently issued a state-affixed replacement vin tag? The car in this scenario is not a kit car or reproduction, but rather a production vehicle with a "Government" (state) issued ID tag rather than OE affixed.

Thanks

Pappy

Pappy, we would allow this vehicle to participate.

[USCA 1]

My car started life as a European Delivery Vehicle and as Such does not have a Windshield VIN Plate, but is a Production vehicle with a Hard to find VIN Number

T.C.

If the vehicle is not a kit car and it was not built specifically for competition; if it is street legal, licensed, registered and insured we would most likely include it for participation.

[USCA 1]

Jimi had stated previously (yesterday) that E85 was OK.

He had also posted that specific "judgement calls" about individual cars (i.e. Pappy's car or when is a kit not a kit) would be dealt with individually essentially upon request.

I think that they have done a really good job in putting together a pretty broad rule set that doesn't specifically eliminate anybody from participating and having a great time regardless of what they drive.

Thanks James - that's our objective.

[Ron in SoCal]

Thanks James - that's our objective.

^ and straight from the director's mouth.

After reading the rules, I think the intent is clear. No purpose built race cars and most every other street car is up for review. This series survives on participation, not exclusion.

I think you guys did a great job Jimmy :cheers:

[Jr]

Jimi had stated previously (yesterday) that E85 was OK.
.

I didn't have time to check the old thread before it was deleted.
But thanks.

[mfain]

Pappy, we would allow this vehicle to participate.

Thanks

Pappy

[GregWeld]

This....






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And This.....





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ARE NOT ALLOWED!!



So I'll just show up anyway and harass the heck out of those of you that can run!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Sieg]

Why not get a third car as a back up the qualifies for the series?

The ways it's been going that might be good insurance. :D

[Ron in SoCal]

Why not get a third car as a back up the qualifies for the series?
:D

I heard the Mule is available :lol:

[Matt@BOS]

Why not get a third car as a back up the qualifies for the series?

The ways it's been going that might be good insurance. :D

Yeah Greg, you should get a Ford Focus or some other street car so you can run these events. You don't need no stinkin' race car to have fun. You said that new cars aren't as fun because they're too good, well, just buy some little POS. I think I'm just going to put a matched set of tires on my good 'ol reliable (knock on wood) daily driver and hit the road for a few out of state events in 2014. I'm getting too old for hot rodding and maintaining old crap :lol: I know we don't ever really attend these races to race, but you should try it sometime. You've picked up or at least counted a good number of cones for me. I feel like I should return the favor. It would also give us something else to tease you about, since the whole height thing has gotten a bit played out.

[dontlifttoshift]

Does every thread have to be about Weld??? :bang: :lol:

Matt, any thoughts on the new, more defined D&E portion of the rules? I still think "judging" carries too much weight (I would like to see 5 judged points instead of 10) but it is much better than what it was.

[GregWeld]

Does every thread have to be about Weld??? :bang: :lol:



Just trying to do my part in keeping this on the front page....




:military:

[Cams-DK]

Yeah Greg, you should get a Ford Focus or some other street car so you can run these events. You don't need no stinkin' race car to have fun. You said that new cars aren't as fun because they're too good, well, just buy some little POS. I think I'm just going to put a matched set of tires on my good 'ol reliable (knock on wood) daily driver and hit the road for a few out of state events in 2014. I'm getting too old for hot rodding and maintaining old crap :lol: I know we don't ever really attend these races to race, but you should try it sometime. You've picked up or at least counted a good number of cones for me. I feel like I should return the favor. It would also give us something else to tease you about, since the whole height thing has gotten a bit played out.

Lincoln town car with OE and air and don't forget the stereo and let's go racing

[GregWeld]

Lincoln town car with OE and air and don't forget the stereo and let's go racing




Cam --- I might just show up with something like that!!!



LOL

[Ron in SoCal]

Lincoln town car with OE and air and don't forget the stereo and let's go racing

I guess, if Crusher can't get in, lol :cheers:

[GregWeld]

I heard the Mule is available :lol:




I'm just going to borrow your daily driver.... you are still using that '73 Vega GT right???

[mfain]

Lincoln town car with OE and air and don't forget the stereo and let's go racing

Don't scoff too hard. The car is already under construction in Texas. Pro-touring suicide door Continental with a 4-link, LS motor, and 200 feet of Tig Weld in the custom fabricated frame. I'll post some construction shots in Project Updates.

Pappy

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[Stielow]

I think the new rules are good.

I'm curious if they will enforce this rule?

2014 Ultimate Street Car Association (USCA) basic event rules

"16. Only the owner of the vehicle, immediate family member, or documented employee of
the builder-of-record may drive the entered vehicle in any USCA event or event
segments. The builder-of-record is defined as the person or shop that is responsible for
at least 75% of the total build. Build shop invoices & build pictures will serve as
acceptable documentation."

Not sure how they will enforce it.....

My other question is are these the same rules for OUSCI?

This should be fun. Looking forward to 2014 to get my new car out and hit a few of these. I think I'll be the owner / builder / driver.

Mark

[ccracin]

I think the new rules are good.

I'm curious if they will enforce this rule?

2014 Ultimate Street Car Association (USCA) basic event rules

"16. Only the owner of the vehicle, immediate family member, or documented employee of
the builder-of-record may drive the entered vehicle in any USCA event or event
segments. The builder-of-record is defined as the person or shop that is responsible for
at least 75% of the total build. Build shop invoices & build pictures will serve as
acceptable documentation."

Not sure how they will enforce it.....

My other question is are these the same rules for OUSCI?

This should be fun. Looking forward to 2014 to get my new car out and hit a few of these. I think I'll be the owner / builder / driver.

Mark

I agree with you Mark. I was a little disappointed with that particular rule. I understand the intent, but if I had a friend that would let or wanted me to take their vehicle to an event I couldn't. It was a possibility last year. A friend registered his car and almost couldn't go because of work but wanted the vehicle to run. Just one scenario to ponder. I give Jimi and the others alot of credit though, this was no enviable task putting these rules together. Guess I better get ours done so we can come play too! :whenitsdone:

[dontlifttoshift]

I don't know how they will enforce it, but I am pretty sure it is there to keep someone from hiring Pobst to shoe their Lincoln Town Car.

[Ns RS]

I think the new rules are good.

I'm curious if they will enforce this rule?

2014 Ultimate Street Car Association (USCA) basic event rules

"16. Only the owner of the vehicle, immediate family member, or documented employee of
the builder-of-record may drive the entered vehicle in any USCA event or event
segments. The builder-of-record is defined as the person or shop that is responsible for
at least 75% of the total build. Build shop invoices & build pictures will serve as
acceptable documentation."

Not sure how they will enforce it.....

My other question is are these the same rules for OUSCI?

This should be fun. Looking forward to 2014 to get my new car out and hit a few of these. I think I'll be the owner / builder / driver.

Mark


Just tell em you're Charley's stepson... :drive:

[Panteracer]

Town cars.. there was a small group
at one of the last Summer autocrosses in
Pleasanton that all had Town cars running- pretty cool

Rules for Laguna
Has anyone heard if there is a sound limit at
the first event... 105 day I can make it in the Pantera
not sure if my Firebird will pass and I know many
that ran in Vegas were really loud.. just wondering
if I need to tweak the exhaust

Starting to lighten the Firebird:superhack:

Panteracer.. Norcal Bob

[GregWeld]

We -- NorCal Shelby Club -- were told that NO 105 days would be given to any "club" events. I would take that to mean that unless you're a big time sanctioned race event -- that you're not going to see 105 dbs.


But that really is for the event to answer.

[Flash68]

Town cars.. there was a small group
at one of the last Summer autocrosses in
Pleasanton that all had Town cars running- pretty cool

Rules for Laguna
Has anyone heard if there is a sound limit at
the first event... 105 day I can make it in the Pantera
not sure if my Firebird will pass and I know many
that ran in Vegas were really loud.. just wondering
if I need to tweak the exhaust

Starting to lighten the Firebird:superhack:

Panteracer.. Norcal Bob

Bob, that's the $5 question for Laguna..... here is some chatter about it from Optima Jim:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/autocrossing-and-roadracing/3388482-run-your-corvette-at-laguna-seca.html

[clill]

I think the new limit is 90db. I don't think I own a car that can make 90db.

[So Cal Camaro]

I think the new limit is 90db. I don't think I own a car that can make 90db.

I don't think my current Flowmasters will make the cut at 90db...hmmm....will have to see what else might work...

[Sieg]

Left exiting exhaust is a guy's only chance. :(

[James OLC]

My INTAKE won't pass 90... forget my exhaust.

[Sieg]

My INTAKE won't pass 90... forget my exhaust.
:lmao:

[Tom.A]

I don't think there is any concern about DBA levels here
http://www.nasaaz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/track.jpg

http://goracecvr.com/

175 miles east of Los Angeles. However not much space for auto cross but could be another option for a California stop

[Flash68]

Left exiting exhaust is a guy's only chance. :(

And even some days the track officials have been known to move around with hand held sound meters. True story.

[Sieg]

And even some days the track officials have been known to move around with hand held sound meters. True story.
Big picture - They're bureaucrats driven by environmentalist groups using "our" tax dollars attempting to shut down down race tracks and other "undesirable" activities by implementing unrealistic regulations.

One of the better offenses I've seen is this group: http://www.sharetrails.org/

They managed to gather mass and revenue by uniting motorcyclists, atv'ers, snowmobilers, mountain bikers, and equestrians to fight recreational land closures. They've made a difference.

[Payton King]

that my car will not qualify to run, which is fine. My question is can I still run/participate and not get scored?

For me it is about hanging with my peeps and getting to drive some awesome tracks.

[Panteracer]

Looks like I might have just bought myself some time as Laguna
is not going to be an option at 90db.. I will talk to my Muffler guy who
is the man for Norcal Shelby group.... he told me a while back that some
of the Trans Am cars were running two sets of mufflers to get down to 105

My Pantera with the short exhaust will be an issue unless I split the
180's exiting point which is not an option now that I welded those holes
up... The firebird might have a chance but not sure it is worth the effort
in order to run the one event.. have to retune it etc

I did run Laguna the first time this year (105 day) and yes it is a world class
track but to tell the truth I like thunderhill a lot more and with the
new track extension it is going to be awesome.. I did have to build
some new mufflers for Thunderhill a year or two back but a least it is 98 db

I love the out of state tracks- Reno, Pahrump and Firebird... I can run
the 4" straight exhaust on the car and make it seem like I am really
running on a track the way they used to run

My Vintage Can Am buddy stated they were looking at putting mufflers
on them a few years back but I have not heard anything else recently

Panteracer-Norcal Bob

[96z28ss]

Big picture - They're bureaucrats driven by environmentalist groups using "our" tax dollars attempting to shut down down race tracks and other "undesirable" activities by implementing unrealistic regulations.

One of the better offenses I've seen is this group: http://www.sharetrails.org/

They managed to gather mass and revenue by uniting motorcyclists, atv'ers, snowmobilers, mountain bikers, and equestrians to fight recreational land closures. They've made a difference.

The thing that hurts these racetracks is housing close to the track. Even airports have noise restrictions over certain neighborhood. Have you ever flown out of John Wayne in Orange County?

I wouldn't buy a house next to an airport or racetrack cause I know its undesirable for resale. The tracks or airports were there way before the homes. There should be a clause on the title of these homes that there is noise due to proximity to certain venue. Then they can't complain about it.

Portland International Raceway should be the model for all race tracks. Its got a golf course on one side, swamp land and expo center on the other side. Its got a I5 running thru the front of it. No one to complain about noise. Oh and if you want to complain about noise, the city of Portland owns it good luck with that complaint. Its normal track days is 105db and 4 times a year they bump it up to 115db.

[Sieg]

Its normal track days is 105db and 4 times a year they bump it up to 115db.
I don't think Oregon Raceway Park has a db restriction, at least I've never heard mention. :unibrow:

Hopefully Laguna Seca doesn't fall victim to housing immigrants as so many race tracks around the country have.

[CurtiSS 69]

Rules for Laguna
Has anyone heard if there is a sound limit at
the first event... 105 day I can make it in the Pantera
not sure if my Firebird will pass and I know many
that ran in Vegas were really loud.. just wondering
if I need to tweak the exhaust

Starting to lighten the Firebird:superhack:

Panteracer.. Norcal Bob

It looks like 92 dB for that weekend 8-9 March according to the Laguna Seca calender. It is a lot better than a 90 dB, but it will still be a concern. Hopefully USCA will post this actual information on the website so any going know what to prepare for.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[96z28ss]

I don't think Oregon Raceway Park has a db restriction, at least I've never heard mention. :unibrow:

Hopefully Laguna Seca doesn't fall victim to housing immigrants as so many race tracks around the country have.

Yeah but ORP is in the middle of no where. Who would live out there? PIR is 5 minutes to downtown Portland.
I can't figure out why Laguna has a sound restriction, I just google mapped both tracks and housing seems to be just as close. Only difference I see is that in Portland people are probably more annoyed with the train track noise and horn blowing than the track.

[So Cal Camaro]

Yeah but ORP is in the middle of no where. Who would live out there? PIR is 5 minutes to downtown Portland.
I can't figure out why Laguna has a sound restriction, I just google mapped both tracks and housing seems to be just as close. Only difference I see is that in Portland people are probably more annoyed with the train track noise and horn blowing than the track.

The big difference is one is in California....everything is regulated to death here...

[Twoblackmarks...]

I think often when they measure DB it is not Equal, since they measure every type of engine on the same RPM.

An 7 liter v8 makes a lot of "noise" on 3500rpm but an 2.5 litre is quiet until 7000plus... On-track measuring could be different though, but they often seem to want to find a way to get you if they dont right away..

It is a bit ironic that you can have a street car that is not allowed as an race car, because of noise..


It seems this is a worldwide problem.

Many years ago, theres was a series here who had this problem, mounting the exhaust upwards in the end helped some, so the exhaust did not "hit" the ground.

Crosses and stuff in the end of exhaust and such helps too, on a street car you could make some that is mountable of some sort. If you are on the edge it can work, go to Radio shack and buy a cheap db tester to test at home?

I have seen some pretty desperate sound "muffle" systems some times, that is made on-site.. He..He..

[GregWeld]

The big difference is one is in California....everything is regulated to death here...



TRUTH!!!

[clill]

Laguna Seca is a park owned by Monterey County. It is not your typical track trying to make money. The hillsides around the track have houses and sound travels differently. Thunderhill when the expansion is done is supposed to be the longest track in North America. Can't wait.

[Matt@BOS]

Laguna Seca is a park owned by Monterey County. It is not your typical track trying to make money. The hillsides around the track have houses and sound travels differently. Thunderhill when the expansion is done is supposed to be the longest track in North America. Can't wait.

Never heard about that. That's cool. I doubt my memory will be good enough to to memorize and get comfortable on something that long. I know Spring Mountain, with the addition of their new track sections, is configurable up to 6.75ish" miles.

[Sieg]

Laguna Seca is a park owned by Monterey County. It is not your typical track trying to make money. The hillsides around the track have houses and sound travels differently. Thunderhill when the expansion is done is supposed to be the longest track in North America. Can't wait.

Never heard about that. That's cool. I doubt my memory will be good enough to to memorize and get comfortable on something that long. I know Spring Mountain, with the addition of their new track sections, is configurable up to 6.75ish" miles.

Start memorizing boys! http://thunderhill.com/images/library/Image/thunderhill-west1.jpg

[Che70velle]

Geesh! I'd have to take my tom tom with me to get around that place! Might want a bigger fuel cell also. Lol.

[GregWeld]

Not to worry --- The track will mostly be run as TWO separate tracks -- very few events will get the entire track to run on. NorCal Shelby has a "whole track" event coming up... so that will be a hoot!!!

[Track Junky]

Things are regulated to death in California but Laguna Seca is the only track that has the ridiculously low db limits. Sonoma Raceway is a fantastic road course to drive on with decent facilities and I believe they did lower their db level down to 103 from 104. Thunderhill is another great place to run and they may have lowered their db levels from 104 to 103 also. Buttonwillow is another great track and perfect for the beginner. At least 15 different configurations, no elevation changes, and run off for days.
So don't blame California.....HA :lol:

[GregWeld]

Things are regulated to death in California but Laguna Seca is the only track that has the ridiculously low db limits. Sonoma Raceway is a fantastic road course to drive on with decent facilities and I believe they did lower their db level down to 103 from 104. Thunderhill is another great place to run and they may have lowered their db levels from 104 to 103 also. Buttonwillow is another great track and perfect for the beginner. At least 15 different configurations, no elevation changes, and run off for days.
So don't blame California.....HA :lol:



California sucks. I never can figure out why I spend so much time there.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Maybe it's because there's so much to do!!

[Track Junky]

California sucks. I never can figure out why I spend so much time there.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Maybe it's because there's so much to do!!

You do spend a lot of time here and I thought for sure you would be buying in The Napa Valley. I'm thinking the only reason your wife chose Sun Valley is because she chose a state that could get you as far away from Charlie as possible but she could still enjoy. :lol:

[GregWeld]

You do spend a lot of time here and I thought for sure you would be buying in The Napa Valley. I'm thinking the only reason your wife chose Sun Valley is because she chose a state that could get you as far away from Charlie as possible but she could still enjoy. :lol:



She pretty much hates him.... So do I.

[Track Junky]

She pretty much hates him.... So do I.

Thanks for the character reference. I'll be sure to keep an eye out. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[clill]

I'm feeling the love.....

[coolwelder62]

I've met Charlie and he's a really nice guy. I can't figure out why you guys are baggin on him.:headscratch:

[GregWeld]

I've met Charlie and he's a really nice guy. I can't figure out why you guys are baggin on him.:headscratch:



You probably met him 15 minutes after he bought his 1300th car from Stielow ... and he was in a good mood.

[Moose]

I'm going to try and make the event in PA. I can get some driving in, and learn a lot from watching and talking.

I have no high hopes of winning, but it will be fun. and you get to see a lot of really cool cars.:idea: