anyone seen this video of water as a fuel?

[camcojb]

Got this off the second gen board.

http://www.rratch.com/Misc/WaterFuel/WaterFuel.wmv

[jannes_z-28]

I think I've seen something about that before.

Anyway if it works as promised it would revolutionize the world of oildependece and change the worldpolitics.

On the other hand some oilcompany can come and buy the patent and bury it, have happened before with great inventions that threatens the conventional.


Anyway it is great news.


Jan

[race-rodz]

so whats the octane rating of "water" :_paranoid

[McssGmachine]

Man, That is amazing!! :wow:

[jonny51]

That's amazing!I bet big oil loves him!

[rockdogz]

I'm no chemist, but it must take energy to turn H2O into HHO. I think we didn't see the whole story...

[jannes_z-28]

It takes huge amount of energy to split H2O in to H2 & O2, it must take less to split it to HHO as he does here. But somewhere some energy must be added to the process.

Jan

[almcbri]

most of the water ran engines I have heard about are fed with salt, water, and metal alloy. This is very interesting and if this is 100% true deal, man that would be great.

As far as the oil companies buying them out, I know this has happened in the past, but at this point I believe a person who develops this will become one of the wealthiest individuals overtime. There is no way in heck I could imagine someone selling out to oil companies.

[galopin]

That's pretty sweet. But I wouldn't worry about an oil company buying the technology and burying it--if anything, you should worry about an oil exporting country like Saudi Arabia, Russia, or Norway buying it. They could afford to bid way, way more than any oil company.

Not that any of this matters. The video mentions that he is already working with the federal government. Besides, China will probably steal his patent anyway.

[zbugger]

You know, I wrote a physics paper on the same type of thing when I was in high school. I started researching it, but typical with A.D.D., I got distracted. She was a D-cup and seriously hot. Ya think I lost out?

[jonny51]

You know, I wrote a physics paper on the same type of thing when I was in high school. I started researching it, but typical with A.D.D., I got distracted. She was a D-cup and seriously hot. Ya think I lost out?

Well since we know there is no way you got the girl with the D cup(unless she had and E cup butt).I would say yes you missed out! :D

[zbugger]

lol... Never said I went after her. She walked passed and actually spoke with me, and I forgot EVERYTHING I was doing. And it happens to this day..... :rolleyes:

[96z28ss]

I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up missing like Jimmy Hoffa.

[ProdigyCustoms]

What a interesting time for such a thing with oil at $70 a barrel.

[Steve Chryssos]

I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up missing like Jimmy Hoffa.

That's what I was thinking.

[Speedster]

It is amazing how many times over the years there is a "breakthrough", and then it is disspelled or just vaporizes. I am of the opinion, the oil companies own some pretty incredible scientific breakthroughs that are never patented and are stored in a vault somewhere. I would also guess that some of these inventors are paid off or vaporize as well.

[XcYZ]

I'm no chemist, but isn't HHO the same as H2O? Two parts Hydrogen and one part Oxygen. This video didn't come out on April 1st, did it?

[race-rodz]

I'm no chemist, but isn't HHO the same as H2O? Two parts Hydrogen and one part Oxygen. This video didn't come out on April 1st, did it?


H2O would be a single molecule with 2parts "H" and 1part "O", where HHO would be broke down into specific parts of "H" &"O", hydrogen fuel is nothing new, when it burns it produces H2O, the tricky part is breaking the H2O apart in the first place, which im GUESSING he is doing through some type of serious reverse polarity charge.

this concept is not new at all, being able to break down water into hydrogen and oxygen, then burn the hydrogen, which gives off water as a by-product, and capturing it to return to the system as fuel. in theory you would never need to refuel, other than losses due to inefficencies(sp) in the system.... which would only be water vapor escaping back into the atmosphere to eventually return back to the same never ending supply of water.

[zbugger]

....this concept is not new at all, being able to break down water into hydrogen and oxygen, then burn the hydrogen, which gives off water as a by-product, and capturing it to return to the system as fuel. in theory you would never need to refuel, other than losses due to inefficencies(sp) in the system.... which would only be water vapor escaping back into the atmosphere to eventually return back to the same never ending supply of water.
That's kinda how I had it figured out. I just couldn't get the actual process figured out to keep it as a recycling system for some reason and I got the A.D.D. thing. Hey, look, moth is attacking that light bulb!!!

[Beast2831]

hydrogen being used as fuel has been around for a few years, but you don't hear alot about it. For that matter, you wont hear from it much more. IT'S THE OIL THING I TELL YOU! :_paranoid

[ProTouring442]

I read that, excepting for this possible break through, it takes more energy to separate the hydrogen from water than the resulting hydrogen will produce. Since this is usually done before the hydrogen is stored on the vehicle as fuel, it would be done by the same power plants (in many cases, coal burning) we have now, putting more strain on the grid and producing much the same pollution as gasoline.

I also understand that, except for getting hydrogen from water, most hydrogen is really made from oil and the production process makes some very nasty byproducts.

As for the oil companies and the inventions they have purchased to keep us addicted to oil... come on guys! There are no 100mpg carburetors. Most of the time we use the best "carburetor" in the world, fuel injection. If 100mpg were possible, someone on the list would figure out how to get his FI to produce it. Now there is technology on the horizon that is incredible. Direct injection in a gasoline engine with no throttle blades! Somehow they inject the air and fuel into the engine together; combustion does not depend on the air the engine sucks in through the intake manifold. Before the injected mixture gets a chance to disperse, it gets hit with spark. I am of the understanding that this will increase fuel mileage by something the neighborhood of 30%. :wow:

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
'72 442 "Inamorata"

[XcYZ]

H2O would be a single molecule with 2parts "H" and 1part "O", where HHO would be broke down into specific parts of "H" &"O", hydrogen fuel is nothing new, when it burns it produces H2O, the tricky part is breaking the H2O apart in the first place, which im GUESSING he is doing through some type of serious reverse polarity charge.

this concept is not new at all, being able to break down water into hydrogen and oxygen, then burn the hydrogen, which gives off water as a by-product, and capturing it to return to the system as fuel. in theory you would never need to refuel, other than losses due to inefficencies(sp) in the system.... which would only be water vapor escaping back into the atmosphere to eventually return back to the same never ending supply of water.

But if you extract the Hydrogen elements from the H2O molecule, wouldn't the only thing left over be Oxygen? How would you still have H2O if you remove the Hydrogen element(s)? I'm just not following the chemistry side of it.

EDIT: Here's their website: http://hytechapps.com/applications/index.html

"In this paper we present, apparently for the first time, various measurements on a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen called HHO gas produced via a new electrolyzer ... The measurements herein reported suggest the existence in the HHO gas of stable clusters composed of H and O atoms, their dimers H-O, and their molecules H2, O2 and H2O whose bond cannot entirely be of valence type. Numerous anomalous experimental measurements on the HHO gas are reported in this paper for the first time. ..."

[race-rodz]

it was late...i was tired... should have explained it like this.


way simple version:

mystery invention breaks the water into H, H, O..... which are all ignited, the heat from burning after ignition will put them back together into "water"

hydrogen and oxygen are both flamable, unless together in the stable compound H2O

[XcYZ]

Actually, Oxygen isn't flammable, it's an oxidizer.

[Beast2831]

Well....You need oxygen to have a burn. How do you make a fire..You need heat, fuel (hydrogen), and oxygen...without the oxygen, you cant have burn.:burnout:

[Diognes56]

I read that, excepting for this possible break through, it takes more energy to separate the hydrogen from water than the resulting hydrogen will produce. Since this is usually done before the hydrogen is stored on the vehicle as fuel, it would be done by the same power plants (in many cases, coal burning) we have now, putting more strain on the grid and producing much the same pollution as gasoline.

I also understand that, except for getting hydrogen from water, most hydrogen is really made from oil and the production process makes some very nasty byproducts.

As for the oil companies and the inventions they have purchased to keep us addicted to oil... come on guys! There are no 100mpg carburetors. Most of the time we use the best "carburetor" in the world, fuel injection. If 100mpg were possible, someone on the list would figure out how to get his FI to produce it. Now there is technology on the horizon that is incredible. Direct injection in a gasoline engine with no throttle blades! Somehow they inject the air and fuel into the engine together; combustion does not depend on the air the engine sucks in through the intake manifold. Before the injected mixture gets a chance to disperse, it gets hit with spark. I am of the understanding that this will increase fuel mileage by something the neighborhood of 30%. :wow:

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
'72 442 "Inamorata"

I think I read that same article. It would be cool if they got it to work, but I don't think we have all the pieces of the puzzle yet.

I am excited about the direct injection though. More HP and more MPG, what more could we ask for :D ?

David

[Beegs]

This is also cool:

http://www.scuderigroup.com/technology/theory_of_operation.pdf

They are based in MA.

I'm just curious to know exactly what technologies the oil companies HAVE buried, does anyone have any info. to back up their claims? :_paranoid

Bryan in NH

[galopin]

Here's the website:

http://hytechapps.com/applications/HHOS.htm

I would love to have a gas welder without the soot and acetylene fumes, but this one is just outside of my price range.

[BC69]

MythBusters just tried to do this, I saw the episode a few minutes ago and thought I saw something. They built a machine to split H20 up with some crazy positve/negative charging. It worked, but reallllllyyyy slowly, like pathetically slow. No where near enough to power the car, I bet the electric bill cost more than the value of the Hydrogen when made.

Thought you guys would like to hear, because I know mythbusters has been mentioned many times on here.


Tim

[DAWG]

im a tech rep for the O2 generators on US Navy submarines
with our unit we generate 125 scfh of O2 and 250 scfh of H2.
at 1050 amps 50 vdc
i dont see it feasable cuz to breakdown the water youll need a lot of current and potassium hydroxide to aid in the seperation of the O2 and H2 molecules.
alot of batteries will be needed to support their claims.
heres a link where I work:
http://www.treadwellcorp.com/

[trapin]

Geez....this conversation is making my brain hurt.

Allen...tell me about the chick with the big hooters again.