1970 Camaro-Purpose Built Auto Cross

[Mac&Otto]

Another 70 Camaro auto cross car. I thought I would share my build hoping everyone that contributes to the site will have some helpful insight. I'm building this car specifically for auto-cross, yet it will be street legal. I purchased the car nearly a year ago from Roger Lee at Ironworks and had it shipped home to start the build. Since then I have slowly repaired concerning spots in the sheetmetal and collected several new go fast parts. The car is getting the full Detroit Speed suspension treatment(complete front Hydroformed stub and quadralink) along with DSE cage, firewall block off plate and mini tubs. I plan on running the GM performance LS3/525 and I have already ordered an M22-W from AutoGear. I just received my 3rd member from Competition Gear and Transmission in North Carolina and am awaiting my new quictime bellhousing. I just finalized all my wheel dimensions with Jay @ Budnik(Thanks Jay) and will pull the trigger on those as soon as the suspension is bolted under the car for the last time. I have lots of other details but will stop here and provide some photos of my progress. I was able to make it to SEMA this year along with the last Goodguys in Scottsdale, the competition seems to be growing rapidly and I look forward to joining in. Thanks, Cal.

[camcojb]

Last one.

[WSSix]

Welcome to the site. Sounds like a great build plan. We need more 2nd gens :D

[Mac&Otto]

The pics above are kind of a fast track of my progress. The car was a shell only when I received it from Roger. As you can see, it's received a new roof, its stripped, I have started filling the firewall and it's now on the twirler(thanks to my son Mac). As soon as I can get the picture attaching figured out I will post recent pics of my progress.

Thanks, Cal.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Awwww man I was kinda hoping for a roadster 70 Camaro!!!!

Looks great so far.

I'm waith Trey, more pictures!

[tubbed69]

Sure will be a nice one with that parts list,good luck with your new project:G-Dub:

[Mac&Otto]

Thanks. You don't know how close it was to becoming someone else forever roadster.

[ma73z]

Always good to see another 2nd gen., keep the pics coming!

[WSSix]

lol, I'm blind. I honestly didn't notice the roof and a-pillars were missing in the one picture. :headscratch:

[coolwelder62]

Welcome Aboard!!!!!!! Will enjoy seeing another great home built car.Thank's for sharing.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Thanks. You don't know how close it was to becoming someone else forever roadster.

Dude, I want your license plate. :thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Welcome and I am looking forward to watching your progress. :popcorn2:

Brian

[Mac&Otto]

Dude, I want your license plate. :thumbsup:

That license plate is gonna cost ya. It's the only thing on the whole car I haven't had to work on.


Thanks, Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

Welcome and I am looking forward to watching your progress. :popcorn2:

Brian

Thanks Brian. I really enjoyed watching your car being built and it turned out fantastic. At some point in the build I would like to ask you some questions regarding weight, especially front to rear percentages.

Thanks, Cal.

[Matt@BOS]

Hey Cal, it was nice running into you and Paul at SEMA and again at Scottsdale. He mentioned it was a little rough when you started. I had no idea it was that rough.

Matt

[Vince@Meanstreets]

That license plate is gonna cost ya. It's the only thing on the whole car I haven't had to work on.


Thanks, Cal.

Well as long as I can count to 20 on my digets and pee standing up i'll entertain your price. :lol:

Let me know if you wanna part with it.


Can't wait to see more!!!!

[Mac&Otto]

Hey Cal, it was nice running into you and Paul at SEMA and again at Scottsdale. He mentioned it was a little rough when you started. I had no idea it was that rough.

Matt

It was nice running into you too and I enjoyed watching you run in Scottsdale. It's a little rough, but it's been fun working on it and when you repair as much as we have you know when your done it's a solid car. These pictures are fairly old, I will grab new ones this week and post current pics of the car. And thanks for the tires, paul says you have some skins we can use for the build. Thanks, Matt.

Cal

[Matt@BOS]

It was nice running into you too and I enjoyed watching you run in Scottsdale. It's a little rough, but it's been fun working on it and when you repair as much as we have you know when your done it's a solid car. These pictures are fairly old, I will grab new ones this week and post current pics of the car. And thanks for the tires, paul says you have some skins we can use for the build. Thanks, Matt.

Cal

Sure thing. When you're ready for some test fitting, just let me know. Between Gregg and I, the "tire shed" at Best of Show stays pretty well stocked with old tires.

[Mac&Otto]

Here are some pis of the car after blasting. I replaced the passenger side rocker, built a small piece for the bottom of the quarter and replaced the drivers quarter skin. The trunk is in and window opening(verticals on sail panel) is also in but needs welded up. I wil post more pics this weekend.

Thanks, Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

The rocker was fairly easy but these small patches in front of the wheel open were more work than expected. It's layered and has a heavier gauge inner structure that also ties in to the wheel well lip.

[Mac&Otto]

The quarter wasn't too bad except, as everyone knows, the aftermarket panels are never a perfect match and trusting reference points on the panel to make final cuts is a little time consuming.

[Mac&Otto]

One more.

[aggie91]

nice work so far. This is my favorite body Camaro.

Tuning in for the rest...

[Mac&Otto]

nice work so far. This is my favorite body Camaro.

Tuning in for the rest...

Thank you.

[ma73z]

Looking very nice! Keep the pics coming. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[ChuckDriver]

Excellent metal work!!

[Mac&Otto]

Excellent metal work!!

Thank you. Im posting more pics here shortly of today's progress.

[Mac&Otto]

I just came in from the shop and here are some new photos. I put in a 10 hour day today and it seems I didn't get anything done.

Thanks , Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

The front stub is assembled just received my third member.

[Mac&Otto]

I installed all the cage mounting plates and got the back half all tacked in.i also finished the passenger side flange for the wheel tub and plan on finishing up the drivers side tomorrow.

[Mac&Otto]

The drivers side tub is in and fit but needs to be removed and the interior flange needs welded in. I also have the cage plates plug welded to the frame rails.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

looking good!

[Swain]

Cal,

Looks awesome can't wait to get the wheels built for you. Keep up the pics we love seeing new updates.

Nice work on the sheet metal..

[Mac&Otto]

Cal,

Looks awesome can't wait to get the wheels built for you. Keep up the pics we love seeing new updates.

Nice work on the sheet metal..

Thanks Jay. I'm headed back to the shop on Monday and will post more pics of my progress. I'm hoping to finish the install on the wheel tubs and then weld in the top 4-link mounts. Then it's bolt up suspension. Should go a lot faster from here on out. Thanks again for your help.

Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

I was reading my initial intro and I thought I would share a little about myself and why the camaro. First, I've been around cars, bikes, boats, etc. my whole life thanks to my dad(Phil). I'm also lucky to have a dad that is an amazing craftsman, mechanic, fabricator, you name it, he can do it. I've been through lots of projects and he's had his hands in on every one. He still runs around with his hot rod buddies from high school and I run around with their sons. All of them still very active into cars. Now, the reason for the camaro. I met my wife nearly ten years ago and before I met her parents she told me of her dad's camaro. I pretty much DIDN'T listen to her, what girl knew about cars. Then I met her parents and eventually that same day her dad(Paul Alderman) asked if I wanted to look at some cars. HOLY CRAP, Paul had and still has some amazing cars. Just look on DSE's website and look at his 69 and 70 camaro's. Don't think because DSE built these that he doesn't get dirty, he is very active on his on builds and wait until you see his 72 chevy truck he just finished. Paul has an eye for cool cars , technically is a wizard and it seems the older he gets, the faster he wants to go. So, eight years later, several hours in the shop, several more discussing how to go faster, the Camaro was born. So we decided to call DSE(Big Thanks to Kyle and Stacy), cut out all the unnecessary weight, add some of our own ideas, apply both of our skill sets and build a autcross car. Don't worry, my dad will be getting dirty too, he likes to act like he's not excited to get in on it, but he is. I won't leave out the wives, they support all of our crazy ideas and as long as Goodguys keeps putting on shows near a shopping mall, we're good. I have had lots of support from other friends that I will list later in the build but thought I should at least explain the start.

Thanks, Cal.

[Ron Sutton]

I was reading my initial intro and I thought I would share a little about myself and why the camaro. First, I've been around cars, bikes, boats, etc. my whole life thanks to my dad(Phil). I'm also lucky to have a dad that is an amazing craftsman, mechanic, fabricator, you name it, he can do it. I've been through lots of projects and he's had his hands in on every one. He still runs around with his hot rod buddies from high school and I run around with their sons. All of them still very active into cars. Now, the reason for the camaro. I met my wife nearly eight years ago and before I met her parents she told me of her dad's camaro. I pretty much DIDN'T listen to her, what girl new about cars. Then I met her parents and eventually that same day her dad(Paul Alderman) asked if I wanted to look at some cars. HOLY CRAP, Paul had and still has some amazing cars. Just look on DSE's website and look at his 69 and 70 camaro's. Don't think because DSE built these that he does get dirty, he is very active on his on builds and wait until you see his 72 chevy truck he just finished. Paul has an eye for cool cars , technically is a wizard and it seems the older he gets, the faster he wants to go. So, eight years later, several hours in the shop, several more discussing how to go faster, the Camaro was born. So we decided to call DSE(Big Thanks to Kyle and Stacy), cut out all the unnecessary weight, add some of our own ideas, apply both of our skill sets and build a autcross car. Don't worry, my dad will be getting dirty too, he likes to act like he's not excited to get in on it, but he is. I won't leave out the wives, they support all of our crazy ideas and as long as Goodguys keeps putting on shows near a shopping mall, we're good. I have had lots of support from other friends that I will list later in the build but thought I should at least explain the start.

Thanks, Cal.

This is cool. Thanks for sharing.

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[Ron in SoCal]

Great story Cal. I met Paul a year ago last March at Del Mar when his car was fresh. He was so excited to show me all the little details and struck me as a great guy!

Talk about gasoline in your veins...:cheers:

[Mac&Otto]

This is cool. Thanks for sharing.

.

Thank you. I have read several of your threads and always enjoy them. Please feel free to give advice if you wish. I'm always open to learning something new. Thanks again.

Cal.

[glassman]

His is one of favorite 2nd gens. Yours is coming along very nicely. Love the body style (as i'm on my 2nd 2nd gen).....great to watch it come along.

[Mac&Otto]

His is one of favorite 2nd gens. Yours is coming along very nicely. Love the body style (as i'm on my 2nd 2nd gen).....great to watch it come along.

Thanks. Paul's car is great and DSE did a great job. The car was a local car that Paul bought minus the motor and trans. He stripped it here in Ellensburg and delivered Kyle a painted shell. It's a pretty classy car. I just read your project post, did you figure out the wheels? I think it's a ZX3 and I know he had the fasteners reversed to the inside. I also think they had to clearance the bolt heads to clear the calipers. Let me know if you want any details.

Thanks, Cal.

[syborg tt]

Hi Cal,

Great looking project and I am really looking forward to watching this build and I love the back story.

[71RS/SS396]

Great progress Cal! I enjoyed meeting you at Scottsdale

[glassman]

Thanks. Paul's car is great and DSE did a great job. The car was a local car that Paul bought minus the motor and trans. He stripped it here in Ellensburg and delivered Kyle a painted shell. It's a pretty classy car. I just read your project post, did you figure out the wheels? I think it's a ZX3 and I know he had the fasteners reversed to the inside. I also think they had to clearance the bolt heads to clear the calipers. Let me know if you want any details.

Thanks, Cal.


Yeah, that which ones they are. I also got to meet with Forgeline at SEMA to see them in person. The frontend is getting the worx right now, once that is done and i've saved a little more money, the rear end and wheels will come at once....but that buckets running a little dry right now as i just completed the LS swap and have to redo a couple of things...

[Mac&Otto]

Great progress Cal! I enjoyed meeting you at Scottsdale

Thanks Tim and I appreciate the time you took to talk with Paul and I. Your car is great and getting your input helped me make some decisions on mine. I decided to go with the 10.5 front wheel and DSE verified the offset, thanks for your help. Have a good Christmas.

Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

Yeah, that which ones they are. I also got to meet with Forgeline at SEMA to see them in person. The frontend is getting the worx right now, once that is done and i've saved a little more money, the rear end and wheels will come at once....but that buckets running a little dry right now as i just completed the LS swap and have to redo a couple of things...

Yes sir, ZX-3. Remember to watch the offset and Caliper sizing if you chose to reverse the fasteners. Let me know if you need anymore details.

Thanks, Cal.

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Looks like it will be a cool build! Looking forward to seeing it come together. I'm starting a second gen build myself.
Subscribed!

[Mac&Otto]

We'll the Christmas week didn't allow too much time for working on the shop but I did manage to get the DSE tubs in and some welding on the cage done. As I talked before, I also was able to grab a few pictures of paul's latest project.

[Mac&Otto]

Here's a couple of pics of Paul's latest project. It was a completely stock truck except the motor when we started. It's completely done and runs and drive great.

[Mac&Otto]

Here is the reworked dash. I cut a dash out of another 71 at our friends wrecking yard(Pasco Auto Wrecking) and used pieces to reconfigure our dash to accept the flat screen and vintage air controls.

[Mac&Otto]

Here is the engine bay equipped with a new LY-6 with a Mast cam and controller.i smoothed the firewall and completely reworked the core support, removing those pinch welds on the top and filling about a hundred holes. Paul built a new radiator mount that completely hides everything.

[glassman]

Man i really like that c-10, soooo clean.

Your cage is nice and tidy, whose is it?

[ChuckDriver]

Nice C-10!!

[Mac&Otto]

Man i really like that c-10, soooo clean.

Your cage is nice and tidy, whose is it?

It's DSE. I was able to see it in my father in laws car before I bought it and it does tuck away nicely. They also send you base plates for the rocker and trunk, a midbar right behind the seats with a coupler to make it removable.

Thanks , Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

Nice C-10!!

Thanks. It was a fun project and drives like a new car. The goal was to keep it very simple, yet arm it with all the new amenities a new truck would have.although I'm not a fan of messing with these trucks too much, I think we pulled it off without sacrificing the great original look.

[Rick D]

Love the Camaro nice work your doing!!

Nice C10!!!

So what's the frame hiding in this picture??? :peepwall:

[Mac&Otto]

Love the Camaro nice work your doing!!

Nice C10!!!

So what's the frame hiding in this picture??? :peepwall:

Thank you. It's a Morrison chassis for a 55 Nomad. That's my father in laws next project. We are building this one too, minus the chassis of course. It's going to be a nice car. Art and Craig live about 80 miles from us and they are great to work with. The day before my wedding Art and Craig gave a few of us in the wedding a full tour of the shop and then of Art's personal shop at his house. Great day with great guys.

[RodZZilla]

Here is the reworked dash. I cut a dash out of another 71 at our friends wrecking yard(Pasco Auto Wrecking) and used pieces to reconfigure our dash to accept the flat screen and vintage air controls.

Nice job.

[user667]

Love the look of that C10!

[Mac&Otto]

Nice job.

Thank you.

[maxxom]

2nd Gen Fan Subscribed. Very nice work so far.

[Mac&Otto]

2nd Gen Fan Subscribed. Very nice work so far.

Thank you. Unfortunately I won't get back to the shop until after Barrett-Jackson. I just received my trans and Wilwood pedal assembly along with the master cylinders and bias adjuster. I'm excited to get back and start maching things up.

Thanks, Cal.

[anthony byram]

Great build! Love watching the progress pics. Imyself own a 1972 Z28. And seeing this makes me want to get started again on mine. Two heart attacks and two strokes have really set me back. Im not giving up thought, keep thinking that the doorbell will ring and Chip Foose will overhaul my car Lol! you did a excellent job of replacing the rear quarter. And the roof is perfect. Keep up the good work,and keep the photos coming. Great to see a second gen getting the make over.

[Mac&Otto]

Great build! Love watching the progress pics. Imyself own a 1972 Z28. And seeing this makes me want to get started again on mine. Two heart attacks and two strokes have really set me back. Im not giving up thought, keep thinking that the doorbell will ring and Chip Foose will overhaul my car Lol! you did a excellent job of replacing the rear quarter. And the roof is perfect. Keep up the good work,and keep the photos coming. Great to see a second gen getting the make over.

Thanks and keep pushing forward. I just got a couple more goodies and I will post more pics this weekend. Again, thank a lot.

Cal

[chichirone]

subscribed. love seeing the progress pics. the other "eye candy" is pretty sweet as well. Those C10's are super cool.

[Mac&Otto]

It's been a while since I've been in the shop but here is some photos of new goodies and progress I made today in the shop. A good friend of mine has taken three days to help me install all the rear DSE quadralink, finish wheel tubs and button up a bunch of miscellaneous fab work(Thanks Shad). We made some good progress today and plan on working two more days with hopes of having the car on its wheels and tires by Sunday night.

[Mac&Otto]

I just received all Brake pedal assemble, master cylinders and bias bar adjuster. I'm hoping to have them mached up by Sunday.

[Mac&Otto]

Here are a couple pics of the quadralink mounts all tacked in.

[Mac&Otto]

Passenger side.

[Mac&Otto]

Drivers side

[Mac&Otto]

Here is some pics of the progress today. Doesn't seem like much but there is a ton of welding.

[Mac&Otto]

Here is the upper link pockets from the inside.

[Mac&Otto]

Drivers side frame rail doubler.

[Mac&Otto]

Track bar support and clips. If it's not installed correctly now, I might as well crush the car, because there is no way you could dig this stuff back out.

[Mac&Otto]

I thought I would also post a pic of my shorty I have for sale. It's a 78 Heavy Half pretty much completely loaded. It's only missing power windows and door locks. It's 99.9% rust free and runs and drives great. The only thing missing is a wheel opening molding and the jack that mounts on the passenger side inner fender. I'm asking 5800.00 and it's located in Pasco, Washington. PM me if anyone wants more info or pics. I was going lower it, wheels and tires and swap a 5.3 in and it but have too many cars going right now.

Thanks, Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

I managed to put some time in on the car today and hopefully Some more Saturday and Sunday. I finished welding in the lower 4 link pockets this morning and those of you that are familiar with DSE's quadralink know you re-use the original spring pocket as the new mount. I bolted on the front stub and almost finished the rear of the car. I also dropped a plumb bob from several points on the car and squared up the front stub. Tomorrow I'm cutting in the frame connectors, installing the 3rd member and axles, bolting on some rollers and getting it on the ground. I'm shooting to start the remainder of the cage on Sunday.

[Mac&Otto]

I know these are pretty standard pics but this project is tough when having limited time and resources. I'm only short a bellhousing and motor at this point but plan on getting those on the way soon.

[Mac&Otto]

One more. I will post more pics of my progress tomorrow. Thanks, Cal.

[glassman]

Thats coming along mighty fine....from a gen 2 admirerer.....

[Mac&Otto]

Thats coming along mighty fine....from a gen 2 admirerer.....

Thank you, Cal.

[WSSix]

Agreed! You're doing way more than me that's for sure.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I thought I would also post a pic of my shorty I have for sale. It's a 78 Heavy Half pretty much completely loaded. It's only missing power windows and door locks. It's 99.9% rust free and runs and drives great. The only thing missing is a wheel opening molding and the jack that mounts on the passenger side inner fender. I'm asking 5800.00 and it's located in Pasco, Washington. PM me if anyone wants more info or pics. I was going lower it, wheels and tires and swap a 5.3 in and it but have too many cars going right now.

Thanks, Cal.

Nice looking truck.

Try our classifieds so a whole bunch more people will see it. :thumbsup:

[Rick D]

Wow Cal, nice work you are doing!! I love seeing another 2nd gen coming together.

[Mac&Otto]

Nice looking truck.

Try our classifieds so a whole bunch more people will see it. :thumbsup:

Thanks and I should try the classifieds but then it might sell. It such a nice truck that's never been altered, I don't think I will find another like it. On the other hand, I don't want to be one of those guys that lets it sit so long I create major problems.

Thanks, Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

Wow Cal, nice work you are doing!! I love seeing another 2nd gen coming together.

Thanks. It sure seems slow going but I'm finally seeing progress. Frame connectors, front half of cage and I'm a lot of the major fab is done.

Thanks, Cal.

[maxxom]

Here is some pics of the progress today. Doesn't seem like much but there is a ton of welding.

Perfection takes time............LOOKING GOOD !!

[Mac&Otto]

Perfection takes time............LOOKING GOOD !!

Thank you. Here are some photos from today.

Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

Finally on wheels.

[Mac&Otto]

The frame connectors turned out pretty good.

[Mac&Otto]

The tie in from the connector to the front stub also turned out slick. Lined up fairly good just from the dimensions DSE provides.

[Mac&Otto]

I also was excited to stuff in some of the shiny stuff. A little show metal always makes things look more complete than they really are.

[Mac&Otto]

I know these pics are pretty basic, but it's excitingly see things finally fitting up. I'm headed to Palm Springs and Scottsdale for the next three weeks and then the Portland Swap meet to unload left over parts from all our projects. I won't get back to the shop until the first weekend in April, kind of sucks, I'm pumped to get the cage finished. Oh we'll, it will give me time to get motor and wheels here.

Thanks, Cal.

[Vegas69]

Nice, I like the direction.

[anthony byram]

Wow,looks like it coming along great! Even the basics as you call them are way beyond what Im looking at on mine, and its still great to look at the photos! What trans is that youre gonna put in? Great build! Im just in awe. LOL!

[Matt@BOS]

I think we all get excited when our projects start to look like something, and that usually means that we start trying to get them done sooner. So, we're going to see more frequent updated in April, right? :unibrow:

[GregWeld]

Looks great Cal -- just read thru the whole thread. Gotta give a hand to the NorthWET!


Really nice work!

[Mac&Otto]

Wow,looks like it coming along great! Even the basics as you call them are way beyond what Im looking at on mine, and its still great to look at the photos! What trans is that youre gonna put in? Great build! Im just in awe. LOL!

Thank you. I'm running a M-22W built by AutoGear. As an auto cross car I decided to sell my TKO-600 not needing the extra gear. I save a considerable amount of weight and was able to specify the gear's I wanted.

Thanks, Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

I think we all get excited when our projects start to look like something, and that usually means that we start trying to get them done sooner. So, we're going to see more frequent updated in April, right? :unibrow:

Yes sir. I'm hoping April is a productive month for the camaro. Paul will be home at the end of April and we will start on his Nomad too. It's good when he's around because he's good at getting things prepped and ready for our work weekends. By the way, your car is looking pretty good and that bumper is really cool.

Thanks, Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

Looks great Cal -- just read thru the whole thread. Gotta give a hand to the NorthWET!


Really nice work!

Thank you. Wet is right, but the worst is the wind that follows. I'm headed south Monday to get some sun and my hot rod fix. Around here in the winter is pretty hard on the car guys.

Thanks, Cal.

[syborg tt]

Thank you. Wet is right, but the worst is the wind that follows. I'm headed south Monday to get some sun and my hot rod fix. Around here in the winter is pretty hard on the car guys.

Thanks, Cal.

Cal,

The car looks great. However try being a car guy in Chicago. Between the Ice, the snow, the pot holes, the salt and the below zero temperatures it really sucks and don't get me started about Mountain bike here in the winter. I had to buy a fat tire bike so I could ride in all of the snow we have here. Did i mention the 3.8" wide studded tires for bike cost over $200.00 each.

[Mac&Otto]

Cal,

The car looks great. However try being a car guy in Chicago. Between the Ice, the snow, the pot holes, the salt and the below zero temperatures it really sucks and don't get me started about Mountain bike here in the winter. I had to buy a fat tire bike so I could ride in all of the snow we have here. Did i mention the 3.8" wide studded tires for bike cost over $200.00 each.

Thanks. Maybe I shouldn't complain after hearing those details. One thing I would do different on those 200.00 mountain bike tires, they would be connected to a motorcycle. You mountain bike guys are extreme, I like gasoline powered toys. I'm sure those bikes are cool.

Thanks, Cal.

[glassman]

Cal,

The car looks great. However try being a car guy in Chicago. Between the Ice, the snow, the pot holes, the salt and the below zero temperatures it really sucks and don't get me started about Mountain bike here in the winter. I had to buy a fat tire bike so I could ride in all of the snow we have here. Did i mention the 3.8" wide studded tires for bike cost over $200.00 each.

Umm, they invented this thing back in the cave man days called "moving"....hehehe

[WSSix]

I feel Marty's pain, literally. My garage is nothing more than an inclosed car port. Works great for sheltering the car and bike but there's zero insulation. I can't really do anything unless it's in the 50 or higher with sun and little wind. It's frustrating. So I just hang out here looking at people like Cal making progress on their rides and I try to live vicariously.

[Mac&Otto]

I feel Marty's pain, literally. My garage is nothing more than an inclosed car port. Works great for sheltering the car and bike but there's zero insulation. I can't really do anything unless it's in the 50 or higher with sun and little wind. It's frustrating. So I just hang out here looking at people like Cal making progress on their rides and I try to live vicariously.

I'll try to continue making progress and make it entertaining. I should just film the build when my boys come in the shop. They're 3 1/2 and 2. Everyone on this site would log in to watch. It's pure pandemonium, one has a screw driver the same size as him and the other is using the creeper as a skate board. It's pure comedy.

Cal.

[syborg tt]

I'll try to continue making progress and make it entertaining. I should just film the build when my boys come in the shop. They're 3 1/2 and 2. Everyone on this site would log in to watch. It's pure pandemonium, one has a screw driver the same size as him and the other is using the creeper as a skate board. It's pure comedy.

Cal.

Sounds like my garage when I started building the Syborg truck. Not sure when but i hung a baby swing from the rafters so i could contain one of them so I could work on the truck.

ps - make sure it has a child proof buckle so they can't get out.

pss - make sure you don't add Monkey Bars as that didn't work so good and no you can't ask what happened.

[WSSix]

Sounds like a fun time for sure, Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

The Radio Flyer used to be what I napped them in when they were in the garage. Now we modified it a bit to get a little extra speed out of it. Handles pretty good to.

[Mac&Otto]

I figured if they're going to be in the garage, getting in the way, might as well start them off right. Those are real bead lock shifter cart wheels and the steering is all stainless rod and hiem joints. The next one I build will have a motor.

[chichirone]

Very cool radio flyer. Looks like fun for the kiddos. I want to get a couple of those or an old school pedal car made up PT style for my niece and nephew. :headspin:

[Mac&Otto]

Very cool radio flyer. Looks like fun for the kiddos. I want to get a couple of those or an old school pedal car made up PT style for my niece and nephew. :headspin:

Thanks. The boys love it and it will coast for a mile. Shop around for some used cart wheels and tires and it's pretty cheap to build them.

Thanks, Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

Anyone out there have a nice set of seats for my camaro? I'm looking for a low back style seat that has some side support that keeps you in the seat and accepts harnesses.I'm not a fan of the typical high back racing style seat that tend to get real wide around your head and shoulders. If anyone has a used set or any suggestions, let me know.

Thanks, Cal.

[Matt@BOS]

Anyone out there have a nice set of seats for my camaro? I'm looking for a low back style seat that has some side support that keeps you in the seat and accepts harnesses.I'm not a fan of the typical high back racing style seat that tend to get real wide around your head and shoulders. If anyone has a used set or any suggestions, let me know.

Thanks, Cal.

Cal, are you thinking something similar to the Recaros in Paul's second gen, but with more bolstering for the track, or are you thinking somewhere along the lines of a vintage looking bucket seat for racing.

I like these for vintage. When you're down in SoCal you want to stop by Sube Sports. I went to buy a driving suit and ended up sitting in all of their various display seats.

http://www.subesports.com/products/cat/Seats/brand/Cobra/prodID/1986

[Mac&Otto]

Cal, are you thinking something similar to the Recaros in Paul's second gen, but with more bolstering for the track, or are you thinking somewhere along the lines of a vintage looking bucket seat for racing.

I like these for vintage. When you're down in SoCal you want to stop by Sube Sports. I went to buy a driving suit and ended up sitting in all of their various display seats.

http://www.subesports.com/products/cat/Seats/brand/Cobra/prodID/1986

I like the Recaro's but don't necessarily need a high end leather seat for a car without interior and door glass. On the other hand, I like the look of the Cobra you sent me but I do want a seat that has some adjustability for drivers other than me. I haven't done much research but maybe I'm hoping for something that's not available.

Thanks, Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

Here's a question I hope someone can answer. How do I choose the correct brakes for my application? My car is strictly autocross and should weigh in around 2800 lbs. I'm running the full detroit speed catalog of suspension, LS3 525, 18x12 and 18x10 with BFG's. I've heard several suggestions on what to run and not one suggestion has been the same. I've had different suggestions within the same manufacture. I've been told to use 14", 13", 12", performance level, race only, booster, no booster and I'm struggling to commit to anything. Anyone have a suggestion or individual I can contact that can walk me through this. Lots of guys can sell you brakes, but few can really walk you through a detailed/educated reasoning for the application. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Cal.

[GregWeld]

Here's a question I hope someone can answer. How do I choose the correct brakes for my application? My car is strictly autocross and should weigh in around 2800 lbs. I'm running the full detroit speed catalog of suspension, LS3 525, 18x12 and 18x10 with BFG's. I've heard several suggestions on what to run and not one suggestion has been the same. I've had different suggestions within the same manufacture. I've been told to use 14", 13", 12", performance level, race only, booster, no booster and I'm struggling to commit to anything. Anyone have a suggestion or individual I can contact that can walk me through this. Lots of guys can sell you brakes, but few can really walk you through a detailed/educated reasoning for the application. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Cal.



YOU pick up the phone and call --- Tobin @ Kore3 --- or Willwood -- or Baer

They are the brake experts and will be able to share all manor of great info with you for exactly what you need/want/budget for etc

[Mac&Otto]

YOU pick up the phone and call --- Tobin @ Kore3 --- or Willwood -- or Baer

They are the brake experts and will be able to share all manor of great info with you for exactly what you need/want/budget for etc

I did call Willwood and Baer. They seem a long ways apart from each other on the type/level of brakes I need. I haven't called Tobin @ Kore 3 but will. I know these are the experts but the suggested brake packages seem so far apart it makes you second guess what is the correct application.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I did call Willwood and Baer. They seem a long ways apart from each other on the type/level of brakes I need. I haven't called Tobin @ Kore 3 but will. I know these are the experts but the suggested brake packages seem so far apart it makes you second guess what is the correct application.

Call Tobin, He'll run you through what you will need. Get a comfy chair, a note pad and a tall cup of coffee ready.

I'll toss in a dime, since its a track car, look at the rotor and pads a serious wear item that you will replace frequently. A set of $300 rotors might not be a good choice. That why I love factory stuff or at least an aftermarket company that uses it.

[Mac&Otto]

Call Tobin, He'll run you through what you will need. Get a comfy chair, a note pad and a tall cup of coffee ready.

I'll toss in a dime, since its a track car, look at the rotor and pads a serious wear item that you will replace frequently. A set of $300 rotors might not be a good choice. That why I love factory stuff or at least an aftermarket company that uses it.

Thanks. I'll get a hold of him. I also like the factory stuff for some things, after all, they spent millions on R&D on their components.

Cal

[71RS/SS396]

If you're going to do strictly auto-x then the C6 Z51 Kore 3 brakes are plenty of brake for that. I would stick with a floating caliper in the rear with a non floating axle to combat knock back.

The manual vs power is really a preference imo, I prefer power brakes because I find it easier to finesse the pedals when your not using so much leg effort on the brake pedal.

[Mac&Otto]

If you're going to do strictly auto-x then the C6 Z51 Kore 3 brakes are plenty of brake for that. I would stick with a floating caliper in the rear with a non floating axle to combat knock back.

The manual vs power is really a preference imo, I prefer power brakes because I find it easier to finesse the pedals when your not using so much leg effort on the brake pedal.

Knock back is one of my concerns. I have experienced that in the Silver car and want to avoid it if possible. Thanks Tim.

Cal

[GregWeld]

I did call Willwood and Baer. They seem a long ways apart from each other on the type/level of brakes I need. I haven't called Tobin @ Kore 3 but will. I know these are the experts but the suggested brake packages seem so far apart it makes you second guess what is the correct application.



Okay -- Didn't know if you'd spoken with the experts or not.

[Mac&Otto]

Okay -- Didn't know if you'd spoken with the experts or not.

Ya, lots of communication. I was just looking for info from guys that have run the products and what has or hasn't worked for them. I wasn't knocking the experts.

[65_LS1_T56]

If you're going to do strictly auto-x then the C6 Z51 Kore 3 brakes are plenty of brake for that. I would stick with a floating caliper in the rear with a non floating axle to combat knock back.

The manual vs power is really a preference imo, I prefer power brakes because I find it easier to finesse the pedals when your not using so much leg effort on the brake pedal.

Yes, what Tim said. I called Tobin and he talked me down from the rigid caliper Z06 style. I couldn't be happier with my C6 Z51's, with upgraded DBA rotors and Hawk HP+ pads. I chose manual and love the "feel" of them.
Of the 7 or 8 autocrosses I did last year, I think I only locked my fronts one time at Indy. Very easy to modulate the manual pedal in my opinion.
FWIW, I have not felt knockback at all with a solid axle and the floating calipers.

[Mac&Otto]

Yes, what Tim said. I called Tobin and he talked me down from the rigid caliper Z06 style. I couldn't be happier with my C6 Z51's, with upgraded DBA rotors and Hawk HP+ pads. I chose manual and love the "feel" of them.
Of the 7 or 8 autocrosses I did last year, I think I only locked my fronts one time at Indy. Very easy to modulate the manual pedal in my opinion.
FWIW, I have not felt knockback at all with a solid axle and the floating calipers.

Thanks. I emailed him last night night and will follow up on Monday. I did a little research last night on the DBA rotor. How do you think it helps? Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it.

Cal

[Sieg]

I'm running Kore3 C5 "big brake" with 12.8" DBA, Hawk HP+ and Wilwood 7/8" manual master and love them. I prefer the manual feel due to my motorcycle background. DBA rotor isn't magical, just good fundamentals - 1.25" thick, good cooling vanes, not drill so less chance for stress cracking. IMO I have more brake than my front 245/40/18 NT05's can handle. Call Tobin, he'll spend the time and ask the right questions required to deliver brakes that meet your needs. :thumbsup:

[65_LS1_T56]

Thanks. I emailed him last night night and will follow up on Monday. I did a little research last night on the DBA rotor. How do you think it helps? Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it.

Cal

I'm running Kore3 C5 "big brake" with 12.8" DBA, Hawk HP+ and Wilwood 7/8" manual master and love them. I prefer the manual feel due to my motorcycle background. DBA rotor isn't magical, just good fundamentals - 1.25" thick, good cooling vanes, not drill so less chance for stress cracking. IMO I have more brake than my front 245/40/18 NT05's can handle. Call Tobin, he'll spend the time and ask the right questions required to deliver brakes that meet your needs. :thumbsup:

Sieg nailed it. Not magic, just better quality castings. I have almost 3,000 miles and lot's of aggressive driving, autocrosses, and two road courses, the rotors look perfect still. I've heard of warping issues with the GM ones also.

I'd agree on the braking power with Sieg, I had the same front tire and could easily lock them up at will. The Rivals offer more grip for sure, but still more brake than tire. Hoping 265's will help :D

[Mac&Otto]

Great info guys. I appreciate all the feedback. Right now I have 275 fronts but am thinking of running a 315. I will follow up with Tobin tomorrow.

Thanks, Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

Thanks again guys for all the info on the brakes. I talked to Tobin a few times in last couple of days and he walked me through my options. He was very helpful and I feel confident after talking to him. I've decided to go with Kore 3 C6-Z51 with Hawk HP Plus pads and the DBA 5000 fronts and DBA 4000 rears. He is not far from me and I'm going to make a trip his direction soon so I will be able to stop buy and see him. Thanks again.

Cal

[GregWeld]

Good for you Cal!!


He's great -- so glad he helped and glad he got the business!

[Mac&Otto]

Good for you Cal!!


He's great -- so glad he helped and glad he got the business!

Hey Greg, when I seen your name on the reply I was expecting a butt chewing(LOL) after you ordering me to start doing research(just kidding).

Seriously, thanks for the help. Tobin emailed me four times and we spoke on the phone four times in two days. That alone made my choice easy. Then I found out he isn't far away from my home town and I may see him at a large car swap meet in two weeks in Portland was cool.

Thanks again to everyone.

Cal

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Yes, what Tim said. I called Tobin and he talked me down from the rigid caliper Z06 style. I couldn't be happier with my C6 Z51's, with upgraded DBA rotors and Hawk HP+ pads. I chose manual and love the "feel" of them.
Of the 7 or 8 autocrosses I did last year, I think I only locked my fronts one time at Indy. Very easy to modulate the manual pedal in my opinion.
FWIW, I have not felt knockback at all with a solid axle and the floating calipers.

Hard to beat the Z51 cost and performance wise. We still run stock rotors cause you can almost get them for free if you look.

What master did you go with? 1 1/8 or 7/8?

[65_LS1_T56]

Hard to beat the Z51 cost and performance wise. We still run stock rotors cause you can almost get them for free if you look.

What master did you go with? 1 1/8 or 7/8?

Vince, Tobin recommended the 7/8" Wilwood since I went full manual. Used factory pedal in the manual, upper hole, position. Good pedal travel, not too much and very firm at the braking position.

Cal, you'll be happy with that setup I think. Looking forward to updates!

[Sieg]

Thanks again guys for all the info on the brakes. I talked to Tobin a few times in last couple of days and he walked me through my options. He was very helpful and I feel confident after talking to him. I've decided to go with Kore 3 C6-Z51 with Hawk HP Plus pads and the DBA 5000 fronts and DBA 4000 rears. He is not far from me and I'm going to make a trip his direction soon so I will be able to stop buy and see him. Thanks again.

Cal

Good news Cal :thumbsup:

Tobin's only 25 minutes north of me. I doubt you'll be disappointed with that C6-Z51 setup. Congrats!

[GregWeld]

Hey Greg, when I seen your name on the reply I was expecting a butt chewing(LOL) after you ordering me to start doing research(just kidding).

Seriously, thanks for the help. Tobin emailed me four times and we spoke on the phone four times in two days. That alone made my choice easy. Then I found out he isn't far away from my home town and I may see him at a large car swap meet in two weeks in Portland was cool.

Thanks again to everyone.

Cal




No way Cal.... And I apologize for my original post coming off "terse"... that's not what I meant it to be. I was just pointing out that the factories are your best place for info. Didn't know you'd already talked to them. Glad it all worked out great for you!

[Mac&Otto]

No way Cal.... And I apologize for my original post coming off "terse"... that's not what I meant it to be. I was just pointing out that the factories are your best place for info. Didn't know you'd already talked to them. Glad it all worked out great for you!

Just kidding. Tobin explained things the other brake reps did not. The other reps always referred back to having plenty of stopping power. Tobin discussed, rotating mass, heat, pedal feel and the cause and effect of different set ups. Any brake guy can sell you plenty of brake, I've ran into very few that can really explain the four hundred other things that go along with it for specific applications.

Thanks, Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

Vince, Tobin recommended the 7/8" Wilwood since I went full manual. Used factory pedal in the manual, upper hole, position. Good pedal travel, not too much and very firm at the braking position.

Cal, you'll be happy with that setup I think. Looking forward to updates!

Good news Cal :thumbsup:

Tobin's only 25 minutes north of me. I doubt you'll be disappointed with that C6-Z51 setup. Congrats!

I'm excited. It was one of those things I needed to get sorted out. I bought tires, finalizing wheels this week and maching up the motor and trans on the 21st and 22nd. Thanks again for your help. I'll post new pics soon.

Thanks, Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

Back at it today. Here are some pics of the progress.

[Mac&Otto]

Motor installed with the header on. Everything is fitting up nice.

[Mac&Otto]

Headers tucked up fairly tight considering I bought them for another project.

[Mac&Otto]

This is the first time the car has been on the ground with all the current parts on it. Tomorrow I'm hoping to do some work to the floor and some install the bulkhead fittings in the firewall for the cage.

[Mac&Otto]

I've started weighing the car every time I add parts or finish something. It's fun trying to strategically place weight or shed weight in order to get the final result I'm looking for.

[Mac&Otto]

Here are the results so far.

[glassman]

Damn, 1800 lbs right know?, jeez, makes you want to go full carbon front end, put a seat in it and go....

[Mac&Otto]

Damn, 1800 lbs right know?, jeez, makes you want to go full carbon front end, put a seat in it and go....

I have a full fiberglass front end including doors. The rear deck lid and bumper is also. All of them together weigh 99 lbs. I'm hoping to be under 3000 with me in it.

Thanks, Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

Spent all day in the shop yesterday and it was a little slow going. It seems like nothing got done but, there's was lots of lay out and pattern building that eats up lots of time. Here is a couple of pics of the progress.

[Mac&Otto]

I also got the bulkheads cut in and tacked.

[LS7 Z/28]

Looks good, Did you decide to go with an Iron Block motor? That will certainly change your balance...

[Mac&Otto]

Looks good, Did you decide to go with an Iron Block motor? That will certainly change your balance...

Thanks. No, I'm just using it for mach up while I finish the fabrication. Deducting the difference does help the balance but I still need to be conscious of the front weight. I'm not sure you can get enough weight out of the front of these cars.

Thanks, Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

I think the difference is 93 lbs in the iron block vs the aluminum. I need every pound I can get.

[Sieg]

I've started weighing the car every time I add parts or finish something. It's fun trying to strategically place weight or shed weight in order to get the final result I'm looking for.

Great strategy that keeps you focused on the hp/wt ratio :thumbsup:

[Mac&Otto]

Great strategy that keeps you focused on the hp/wt ratio :thumbsup:

Thanks. Luckily we have a set of scales in the family from the circle track days. It really makes it easier to understand all the set up theories and reasoning when you are able to see how the weight affects the balance of the car and what the final numbers are. I'm excited to get the fuel tank in and the nose on, that should tell me where my focus should be.

Thanks, Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

I'm back on the car again after a lengthy break to work on my father in laws 55 Nomad(it's really nice). I recruited a friend of mine to help finish the cage this last week. He borrowed my bender a while back and became quite handy with it so why not recruit him. It turned out fantastic(thanks forest) and the next coue of weeks will be focused on finishing the sheetmetal and prepping to hang the fiberglass.

[Mac&Otto]

My JD2 tubing bender is pretty easy to work with. Especially now since it's hydraulic.

[Mac&Otto]

Here is the coupler I had machined by a friend of mine who owns a machine shop.

[Mac&Otto]

Lots of tig welding. Forest does nice work.

[Sieg]

Looking good! :thumbsup:

[Mac&Otto]

From here I can see the end. My wheels are here and tires are mounted. My brakes are here from Kore 3(thanks Tobin), all I have left to round up is an LS3. I'm buying a one from GM and will use the Mast upgrade to 550HP.

[syborg tt]

Very Nice Update

[Spiffav8]

Great progress. Great build to watch and I hope to see the final product tearing up the track in person.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Mac&Otto]

Thanks guys. I'm extremely excited and hope to run the car this time next year. I can't say I've waisted time as the nomad I'm working on is super cool.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

If the Nomad came out kick ass you didn't waste your time. I see it as an evolution in skill production.

Looking good. You made me realize, I'm pulling the cowl panel next time I do a 2nd gen cage. The A pillars are perfect.

Looking good.

[gerno]

That cage looks terrific. I'm jealous.

[Rick D]

Looks great! I'm really liking the cage, I'm still on the fence if I want to put a cage in or not, but if I do I see how I'm going to do it! :idea:

[Mac&Otto]

If the Nomad came out kick ass you didn't waste your time. I see it as an evolution in skill production.

Looking good. You made me realize, I'm pulling the cowl panel next time I do a 2nd gen cage. The A pillars are perfect.

Looking good.

Thanks. Remember, I had to pull the cowl to replace the roof in the beginning of the build so it worked out perfect. I also was able to repair a spot of rust right under the wiper motor(lowest spot in the cowl with no drain). Hers a shot of the Nomad in progress. Metal work is done and chassis just need a little plumbing, then it's off to paint.

[Mac&Otto]

Headed to prime.

[Mac&Otto]

Art Morrison, LS3, 4L65.

[Mac&Otto]

There is one thing I need to start thinking about and that's a clutch, pressure plate and flywheel. I would appreciate any input I can get. Just remember the primary use for the car is Autocross. Thanks again.

Cal.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Sorry to side track the thread but did you have to replace any of the roof section? I have one and would like to see what it looks like under the paint.

If you have time or info please email to [email protected]


Mark Stielow is using Centerforce on his latest build. No sure if an aluminum flywheel is in your budget.

Thanks!

[Mac&Otto]

Sorry to side track the thread but did you have to replace any of the roof section? I have one and would like to see what it looks like under the paint.

If you have time or info please email to [email protected]


Mark Stielow is using Centerforce on his latest build. No sure if an aluminum flywheel is in your budget.

Thanks!
My budget was shot a long time ago. I definitely want to run an aluminum flywheel. I thought I would do some searching at SEMA. I'll email you tomorrow on the Nomad. Thanks for the help.

[Mac&Otto]

Here are some more pics of the recent progress. As soon as the cage was finished I dropped the car off at Rockets Garage in Outlook Washington, just an hour west of me. Riley Morris is the owner and his shop does quality work. I was struggling for time with the Nomad build and Riley had an opening in his shop. They did some sheetmetal fab, some patch panel stuff and welded up everything I didn't finish. They did a great job and I'm glad to be over the hump. This will allow me to start hanging fiberglass components and then on to prime.

[Mac&Otto]

Raised the floor to tuck in the exhaust.

[Mac&Otto]

The fit and finish of these panels turned out nice.

[Mac&Otto]

The cowl is all buttoned up and painted now.

[Mac&Otto]

Bulkheads are all finished up. These were a pain. I tucked them up,tight to the cowl flange and there is several layers of metal in that area that sometimes make clean welding a little difficult.

[Mac&Otto]

Tomorrow it will go back on the scales to see how much weight I've gained due to the cage and having the cowl finished up. I will post some more pics then.

Thanks, Cal.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

looking good Cal !!!!

[Rick D]

Nice Cal what parts are you going glass with?

[syborg tt]

Nice Cal what parts are you going glass with?

Rick Step away from this Thread as it may cause project creep.

[Mac&Otto]

looking good Cal !!!!

Thanks Vince. I'm back at the shop today and will send you a picture you will appreciate.

Cal

[Mac&Otto]

Nice Cal what parts are you going glass with?

Thanks Rick. The whole nose, doors, deck lid and bumpers are glass. The nose is all separate components. I scaled them them and all of it is 99lbs, less than one factory door. I'm scaling the car today and will give you a current weight with the glass. I will also save weight because the Mach up motor is an iron 5.3.

Thanks, Cal

[Mac&Otto]

Cowl is all buttoned up.

[Mac&Otto]

Car is on the scales and between the cage and the cowl I gained a 120 lbs. I'm right at 2000 lbs.

[Mac&Otto]

It's all coming together. I Have to thank all the people that have helped me. What's great is there either family or friends.

[Swain]

looking good Cal. Where the wheels at?

[coolwelder62]

What an Awesome project.Very nice and well done.

[Mac&Otto]

looking good Cal. Where the wheels at?

Tomorrow I will put them on for a special viewing. They have been resting in the dark in a tempered controlled atmosphere(LOL). Mainly in storage away from kids and my wife. She may try and use them for yard art.

Cal

[Mac&Otto]

What an Awesome project.Very nice and well done.

Thank you sir.

[Mac&Otto]

If anyone remembers, this was on the car when I got it from Roger Lee. Vince was very fond of it. but I'm still partial to it because it's the only thing I haven't had to work on.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

haaaa haaa

don't worry, I'll have something for you worthy of a barter. Its the way of the trade.

Car is looking good. Hope to get back on our 70 as soon as I get some room at the shop. You inspired a few ideas.

[Mac&Otto]

Bolted on the wheels today as I promised. I have the car setting up in the air because the pan on the Mach up motor is incorrect and it won't go on the trailer. They are Budniks and I have some shakedown BFG's on them right now. Jay at Budnik was great to work with and I appreciate the time, effort and patience he spent on the deal. I will be buying more Budnik wheels.

Cal

[Mac&Otto]

Next week I'm hoping to have some of the nose on the car. It will finally look like a camaro again.

[Rick D]

Love the wheels!! What is your goal for final weight??

[Mac&Otto]

Love the wheels!! What is your goal for final weight??

Thanks. I'm confident I can be at 2800 lbs. The driveline, glass(windshield and back glass), fuel tank and radiator/fans are the only items left that will add considerable weight. I will keep scaling as I go to make sure I'm keeping her slim.

Thanks, Cal.

[RocketsGarage]

Lookin' good Cal!

[Mac&Otto]

Lookin' good Cal!

Thanks Riley. You guys did a great job. Thank Mike for me too, I know he cleaned up a lot of my novice skills.

[WSSix]

Nice choice with the wheels :thumbsup:

[Mac&Otto]

Nice choice with the wheels :thumbsup:

Thanks. It's all coming together.

[Mac&Otto]

It's been a while since I've really made progress on the car. I'm working pretty regular again on it and have made some progress. Today I received my new JRI coil overs supplied by DSE and springs supplied by Ultiimate Performance. I decided to change out from the AFCO's. I got everything assembled and back on the car.

[Mac&Otto]

I also sent my front wheels back to Jay at Budnik to have them re-hooped. I went back and forth regarding wheels and tires and finally decided to make the jump. Now they are 11" wide and I will modify the front fenders. Budnik did an excellent job and Jay convinced me to brush finish the hoops as well. I like it. DSE provided me a set of Kyles take-off 315's for fitment and they have some runs left in them. Thanks guys.

[Mac&Otto]

Thanks Jay.

[Mac&Otto]

Tomorrow I will finish up the trans crossmember and finish up the gas tank straps. If you look to the right you will catch my father in law(Paul Alderman) helping me out. For the guys that know him and see us at car shows and autocross events, you usually see me somewhere near, under, on top, loading or unloading his 70. He's working for me today(lol). I will post more pics tomorrow.

Cal

[Vince@Meanstreets]

way to come back Cal!!

Car looks good.

You still on track as far as weight?



Good call on the brushed....I maybe going that route with the FB project myself.

[Mac&Otto]

way to come back Cal!!

Car looks good.

You still on track as far as weight?

Should be good on the weight. I have the seats in, steering column, pedals and fuel tank. Tomorrow I will put it back on the scales and see where I'm at. Thanks Vince.

Cal

[glassman]

Man, that thing is coming along NICELY!! very well done. Your father-in-law's 2nd gen is one of my fave's.

What is your target weight? Mines just over 3500 with a 1/2 tank.

[Mac&Otto]

Man, that thing is coming along NICELY!! very well done. Your father-in-law's 2nd gen is one of my fave's.

What is your target weight? Mines just over 3500 with a 1/2 tank.

Thank you. I'm hoping to be between 2800 and 3000 lbs. With minimum interior and a glass doors, nose and trunk lid I should be able to get there. Paul's car is great, I'm taking it home with me to fix little things and I'll probably have to go out and make some test runs to make sure everything is fixed as well!!! Lol

Thanks, Cal

[Swain]

coming along nicely Cal

[syborg tt]

Cal the car looks great and I love the wheels especially the finish. And it's awesome to see your Father-n-law still kicking butt.

So who's the better driver - you or him

[Mac&Otto]

Cal the car looks great and I love the wheels especially the finish. And it's awesome to see your Father-n-law still kicking butt.

So who's the better driver - you or him


Thank you. I have to say, Jay at Budnik treats me good and Sheila has as well. I regularly order wheels from new suburban to auto cross cars and I always have a twist to throw in. Jay always gets them done. As far as driving, Paul is a great driver. We have to remember he's creaping up on 68. Not many guys his age are still out there mixing it up at his age. I just hope at 68 I have a passion to go fast and compete as he does. I do plan on beating him as much as possible though as he does me. Lol

Thank, Cal

[Mac&Otto]

Here is a couple pics of my progress. Had to build new tank straps.

[Mac&Otto]

Seats are in and done. The wife can even drive comfortably.

[Mac&Otto]

The list gets smaller.

[Mac&Otto]

There's s good story behind the sign. It will take some explaining. Theses types of signs were pre wife.

[grendel]

Looking really good man.

I'll get there some day with my 73 :).

[WSSix]

Looks great, Cal. I really like those rims. The 11s on the front look monsterous.

[Mac&Otto]

Looking really good man.

I'll get there some day with my 73 :).

Thank you sir. You'll get there, good things take time.

[Mac&Otto]

Looks great, Cal. I really like those rims. The 11s on the front look monsterous.

Thank you. I'm glad I went with the 11" wheel now rather than reworked the car later. Now I have to send my rears back and have jay brush those. It's never ending.

Cal

[Martin71RS]

Subscribed, very cool/quality build!

Martin

[Vince@Meanstreets]

im getting a bit nervous, I don't see my plate up anymore. :goggles:

[windycitychev]

This is one awesome build looking forward to the finished product

[Mac&Otto]

Subscribed, very cool/quality build!

Martin

Thank you. I appreciate the feedback.

Cal

[Mac&Otto]

im getting a bit nervous, I don't see my plate up anymore. :goggles:

Don't you worry, it's still here aging to to perfection with your name on it. Email me your info and I'll send it your way.

Cal

[Mac&Otto]

This is one awesome build looking forward to the finished product

Thank you sir.

Cal.

[Mac&Otto]

I found another weekend to work on the car. I decided to run a booster so I ordered one up from DSE and went back to using my stock pedal assembly.

[Mac&Otto]

I was also able to get my door hinges rebuilt and both bolted on. They need some fitting but are pretty nice for fiberglass doors.

[Mac&Otto]

I'm pretty impressed with the doors. Not sure if I just got lucky on the quality and fit but I don't have much work to do on these. And I caught Paul in the background again working away. I have him figuring out wiring and plumbing now.

[Mac&Otto]

Paul and I also had some help this weekend. Pretty sure there are several tools, bolts, washers and nuts hidden all over this car. I caught Otto shoving a washers in the end of the subframe. At 3 yrs old, I'm proud knowing he likes it in the shop.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Getting close!!!!!

[Mac&Otto]

Getting close!!!!!

YES SIR!!!! I have to order some miscellaneous stuff this week but I can see the finish line. Chris from Mast emailed yesterday and my motor is on the truck headed my way. I need some pins for the hood and trunk, some hood hinges(preferable billet), gauges and a fiberglass dash. Im sure there be another list. LOL

Cal

[GregWeld]

Those doors do look really good! Don't ya love it when a plan comes together...

Do I ASSume then that you're not going to run side glass?? Just wondering.

[Mac&Otto]

Those doors do look really good! Don't ya love it when a plan comes together...

Do I ASSume then that you're not going to run side glass?? Just wondering.

Thank you. I was skeptical on the glass doors but these fit up nicely. No door glass for this car!!!! I'm hoping to be 2800 ish lbs with fluids. Should make a really fun short course/autocross car.

Thanks, Cal

[Matt@BOS]

Thank you. I was skeptical on the glass doors but these fit up nicely. No door glass for this car!!!! I'm hoping to be 2800 ish lbs with fluids. Should make a really fun short course/autocross car.

Thanks, Cal

Should make for a real fun car, in general. :unibrow:

[Mac&Otto]

Should make for a real fun car, in general. :unibrow:

Hey Matt. Your car is fantastic. I keep checking in to see progress. Will we see you in scottsdale in November?

Cal

[Matt@BOS]

Hey Matt. Your car is fantastic. I keep checking in to see progress. Will we see you in scottsdale in November?

Cal

It's possible. If I have any energy left after SEMA, I'll try and make it out to Scottsdale. Will you and Paul both be out out there driving?

[Mac&Otto]

It's possible. If I have any energy left after SEMA, I'll try and make it out to Scottsdale. Will you and Paul both be out out there driving?

We will both be there but not sure who will drive. Paul won the muscle machine of the year finalist in March and the car has to be displayed in a specific spot for the show. Not sure yet if you can autocross and show as well. I would like to see Paul drive because he's finally having fun and making progress in the car. I will be the pit crew.

Cal

[DKz Garage]

Beautiful work on this car.....keep the updates coming!

[Swain]

Nice updates are awesome. Got me motivated again :tv_happy:

[Mac&Otto]

Well, I managed to get a little more time this weekend to work on my car. I installed new door latches and strikers, installed my new Hurst super shifter built by David West, took final dimensions on my driveline and installed the front runner on my motor. Everything worked out fairly good accept the balancer, I have to order a new one as it doesn't line up with the Corvette front runner. Outside of that, it doesn't look like much but it was progress.

[Mac&Otto]

I had David West build me a complete shifter assembly. I went with a Super Shifter and I'm glad I did. He put together the shifter, mounting bracket, linkage and pre assembles it on another trans for you. Ready to bolt on when you get it. It's a flawless piece and as he said, fit perfectly when I got it.

[Mac&Otto]

One of my more favorite tasks this weekend. I assembled the front runner and started getting familiar with my Mast harness.

[Mac&Otto]

I also received and started bolting up my clutch, pressure and flywheel. I used Modern Driveline out of Idaho and they are extremely knowledgable and helpful. I used a superior Kevlar clutch, chromoly flywheel, pressure plate and tilton hydraulic bearing and master. The service was fantastic and I suggest talking to them if your in the market. I measured up the driveline and will send the info to them on Monday.

[Mac&Otto]

I'm moving the car next week to build a skeleton to mount the nose, radiator, etc. on. I will take it to my friend Forest Fincher and we will use our bender to build the mounting skeleton for the nose, rebuild the bay bars to miss the booster and tidy up a couple small fab items. Then it is tear it down and start body and paint. I can feel it.

Thanks, Cal

[Mac&Otto]

Beautiful work on this car.....keep the updates coming!
Thank you and sorry for the late response, seems like I turn around and two weeks are missing.

Thanks, Cal.

[WSSix]

Looking good, Cal! You've chosen some serious hardware. I'm excited to see this car compete.

[Mac&Otto]

Looking good, Cal! You've chosen some serious hardware. I'm excited to see this car compete.

Thank you. I've been fortunate and have had a lot of great input from lots of great people and builders. Members of this site have provided valuable info as well. I can't wait to get it running and get on the track. I'm guessing the car will be capable, let's HOPE the driver is!!!! Lol

Thanks, Cal

[Mac&Otto]

Well, ive found new life and some time to work on the car again. I brought the car home, the whole nose is here and I just got my dash. I had a friend in Spokane pick up some chromoly tube and we're going to build a skeleton to mount everything. I unloaded it this morning so hopefully in the next month I will have it ready to tear down and start prepping for paint.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Well, ive found new life and some time to work on the car again. I brought the car home, the whole nose is here and I just got my dash. I had a friend in Spokane pick up some chromoly tube and we're going to build a skeleton to mount everything. I unloaded it this morning so hopefully in the next month I will have it ready to tear down and start prepping for paint.

I was starting to wonder what happened to you. Welcome back!!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Well, ive found new life and some time to work on the car again. I brought the car home, the whole nose is here and I just got my dash. I had a friend in Spokane pick up some chromoly tube and we're going to build a skeleton to mount everything. I unloaded it this morning so hopefully in the next month I will have it ready to tear down and start prepping for paint.

Wait chromo? Specs?

[Mac&Otto]

Wait chromo? Specs?

I'm using chromoly tube for my core support and to mount my fenders, rs nose and bumpers. I figured I have taken this much time to be "weight conscious" I better use chromoly. What do you think?

Cal

[grendel]

I'm using chromoly tube for my core support and to mount my fenders, rs nose and bumpers. I figured I have taken this much time to be "weight conscious" I better use chromoly. What do you think?

Cal

Sure, you can go with smaller, lighter tube by using ChroMoly.

Then again, that stuff doesn't really see any real impact, etc, so why use something so expensive. Thin wall HREW would hold it just fine, I think.

I get using ChroMoly in roll cage that protects you, but in this use case, it's just supporting weight, right?

[Mac&Otto]

Sure, you can go with smaller, lighter tube by using ChroMoly.

Then again, that stuff doesn't really see any real impact, etc, so why use something so expensive. Thin wall HREW would hold it just fine, I think.

I get using ChroMoly in roll cage that protects you, but in this use case, it's just supporting weight, right?

Pretty much. I'm probably going overboard but I've pretty much went overboard since I started the project. Lol

Might as well be consistent!!!

Thanks, Cal

[Vince@Meanstreets]

If you are planning to build your cage to pass tech, check the rules first.

1.750 .120 wall tubing is usually the norm in a rule book. Using ChroMo will be pointless as it will not offer a weight savings.