Opinions needed on Barret Jackson Entry

[hotwhls]

So I am torn about taking my car to barret-jackson in January. I have a lot number 1289 and its scheduled to go Saturday between 3-5. My thoughts are what do you guys think about the car and what do you think I will get money wise. Its a 69 Carmaro with DSE and LS2/ with tremec 5 spd.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=1289&aid=525



Thanks for the input.

[64pontiac]

Probably get half of what you put in, or less? I would say from what I have seen that you would probably see it bring 100-150 range. Depends if they send it up right after a bunch of pro touring/rods and you get the leftover bidders or not.

Dont get me wrong, its a beautiful car, and if you built it for 150 or less then you know something I dont! or your time is free, either way beautiful car!

I dont know, we have a client that has bought a ton from the barrett (not anything that has impressed me or made my job easier) and he payed a decent buck for customs. They are going for more than they used to, but it seems weird. I guess its the clientelle, being older guys that like chrome and shaved doors, but the high end pro touring stuff we all tend to lean towards doesnt get the appreciation that a traditional street rod or custom gets with a ton of chrome and shiny stuff. The PT high end stuff doesnt even bring the parts value sometimes, and the cars with cast chrome foose wheels do really well. go figure.

Your car has a nice blend of traditional street rod and pro touring, so it should do well but then you have to share the profit. Just my 2 cents?

[64pontiac]

Ok i took a closer look and I mean no disrespect with the shaved door handles and chrome comment, I was stereotyping!

Were those pics taken at RK? no luck with a sale?

[Jr]

Beautiful car, but it's very custom...killer interior, dse front and rear, Baer brakes on 4 corners, ls2, but very custom. I hope you get what you want, but the more custom the car, the less it may bring. Hopefully two bidders with more money than they know what to do with want the car. Good luck. I'll be watching (hopefully in person).

[GregWeld]

It's real simple --- IT DEPENDS.


It depends on whether or not you hang around the car and PRESELL it to more than one bidder…. Because to get "money" at an auction --- you need two or three guys minimum to be bidding against each other.

One guy can't raise his own bid.

It depends on what other similar cars sell for before your's hits the block…

It depends on when it runs and what went before it. Maybe the two guys you thought were hot on your car - just stole one that was similar… so now you're down to one bidder.

You take a car to a no reserve auction - it IS going to sell…. you'd just better be prepared to be disappointed rather than thinking your car is suddenly going to make you rich.

[GregWeld]

Oh yeah ---- and the real pro touring buyer with big bucks is going to be saving that for The Mule…. and you run before that. If you ran AFTER the Mule - it might have brought you that buyer that didn't or couldn't snag the car he really wanted.


Just sayin'

[hotwhls]

I should be running after the Mule. I think he is slotted to go in the Solon Selection from 1-3.

[Ron in SoCal]

It's real simple --- IT DEPENDS.

Correct.

It is a beautiful car and one would expect it to do well on a Saturday slot. Aside from the Mule there are other cars in your category:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=1312&aid=525

[Ketzer]

I agree with Tyler, seems the more cheesy and glitzy (personal opinion), the more they bring. Guys who want a PT style car are usually more into building than buying already done.

If you are sending it to a no reserve auction, you have pretty much exhausted all other options and are planning to give it away for pennies on the dollar.


Jeff-

[GregWeld]

I agree with Tyler, seems the more cheesy and glitzy (personal opinion), the more they bring. Guys who want a PT style car are usually more into building than buying already done.

If you are sending it to a no reserve auction, you have pretty much exhausted all other options and are planning to give it away for pennies on the dollar.


Jeff-



In which case -- your signature line fits the bill perfectly!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[pokey64]

Car is a little specific as others have said but definitely nice and has good parts. Here’s some additional pics from when I saw it at the 2010 Des Moines GoodGuys. Smart move to clean up some of the original punisher theme before resale.

Best of luck to you!

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[MarkM66]

How long has your car been on the market?

I seem to recall it being on RK's website for a long time. Did you buy it from them, or were you trying to have them sell it?

[hotwhls]

I actually traded my 41 Willys straight across for the Camaro. My Willys is still on there site. RK took all the Punisher logos off the body along with the strips on the hood to make it a cleaner look. I am on the fence about selling it. I have not tried any other place to sell it and its not currently on the marker. My intent was to build another car of my own. The orginal builder/owner put tons of money into the car with everything he did. The bottom is just as nice as the top fully polished and painted. Car is a blast to drive (my first hotrod with a manual) and rides great. I wanted to build another 69 with RS chassis and ls7 but I don't know if i can afford it.

[Blake Foster]

I have the Nova consigned at Russo Steele in January, it is a smaller auction for sure. Hoping the car actually gets more attention than being lost in the crowd?? also I have set a reserve on the car, there is NO WAY I am putting my car up to sell to the LOWEST bidder, not going to happen I will keep it if that is the case, I don't have to sell it. and i also don't have the bank roll like say a guy who would sell the MUEL at no reserve.
i plan on standing there for a couple days to boost the interest, I figure i can make more in 2 days promoting the car than I can sitting here posting about it.
The Nova has some history which may help??? it is a proven car, maybe that matters maybe it doesn't
it's a crap shoot no mater what.

[clill]

I'm selling the Mule at no reserve because I have a good auction time at Barrett. We all think our cars are worth x amount. It is usually more than they are actually worth. Barrett does a great job of bringing the buyers. I don't think there is anywhere else that will bring more money for my car. It is not going to be worth more than the high bid so no reserve is the way to go in my mind. The Camaro in this thread has a good time slot so in my opinion it is going to bring all it is really worth at the least. I would not be surprised if his Camaro doesn't bring more than the Mule. The trendy type looking cars seem to do quite well at Barrett-Jackson. The Mule doesn't have alot of flash compared to it.

[SSLance]

Two years ago at Russo and Steele I help to sell a couple of cars. This (http://pinkeesrodshop.com/projects/past-projects/1966-ford-mustang/) car was parked two slots away from one of the cars I was helping with and the owners\builder of that car were there all day every day...trying to sell the car as much as they could before it rolled across the block.

They were nervous too, it was a beautiful car, very well built, but specialized for sure. I can't remember what it sold for exactly, 125-150k IIRC, and they were somewhat pleased what it bid up to and sold for...but they worked it HARD for 3-4 days before it rolled through Saturday evening.

Actually, I found the results, it sold for $137,500...no reserve...

http://www.russoandsteele.com/past-collector-car/1966-Ford-Mustang/19471

We did too...and the two cars we sold also brought right up to book value and sold to guys that we had personally worked on in the prior days. That is CRUCIAL.

My partner is taking his ZL1 powered vette to BJ this January and plans to do the same with it, sell it long before it crosses the block. It's a special car...something that a decision to buy can't be made in the 5 minutes or so the car is on the block (much like the one this thread is about).

The one backup you have selling it at a no reserve auction is...you can always be the high bidder. It'll cost you some commissions on both sides, but at least you aren't totally pants down going in.

[hifi875]

I'm selling the Mule at no reserve because I have a good auction time at Barrett. We all think our cars are worth x amount. It is usually more than they are actually worth. Barrett does a great job of bringing the buyers. I don't think there is anywhere else that will bring more money for my car. It is not going to be worth more than the high bid so no reserve is the way to go in my mind. The Camaro in this thread has a good time slot so in my opinion it is going to bring all it is really worth at the least. I would not be surprised if his Camaro doesn't bring more than the Mule. The trendy type looking cars seem to do quite well at Barrett-Jackson. The Mule doesn't have alot of flash compared to it.

I agree totally, 69 Camaro pt cars do well at b-j. they did last year when I was there and you got a killer time slot. My father in law had ls9 chevy ii that we took out there 2 years ago. Because everything always runs behind it was late Saturday nite before it went off. There was literally no one there to bid except people looking for a deal. He had $250 in it and it hammered for 142500 before buyers premium, he netted around 129K. Prolly cost him some $$$ with the late slot. So yea 50cent on the dollar is about right.

[MarkM66]

Two years ago at Russo and Steele I help to sell a couple of cars. This (http://pinkeesrodshop.com/projects/past-projects/1966-ford-mustang/) car was parked two slots away from one of the cars I was helping with and the owners\builder of that car were there all day every day...trying to sell the car as much as they could before it rolled across the block.

They were nervous too, it was a beautiful car, very well built, but specialized for sure. I can't remember what it sold for exactly, 125-150k IIRC, and they were somewhat pleased what it bid up to and sold for...but they worked it HARD for 3-4 days before it rolled through Saturday evening.

We did too...and the two cars we sold also brought right up to book value and sold to guys that we had personally worked on in the prior days. That is CRUCIAL.

My partner is taking his ZL1 powered vette to BJ this January and plans to do the same with it, sell it long before it crosses the block. It's a special car...something that a decision to buy can't be made in the 5 minutes or so the car is on the block (much like the one this thread is about).

The one backup you have selling it at a no reserve auction is...you can always be the high bidder. It'll cost you some commissions on both sides, but at least you aren't totally pants down going in.

I remember that Mustang. It also sold the following year at BJ.

http://www.russoandsteele.com/past-collector-car/1966-Ford-Mustang/19471

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=1264&aid=466

[Ketzer]

The Mule doesn't have alot of flash ...

Which unfortunately is the whole point to the Mule and is probably lost on most of the flower shirt wearing crowd at BJ.
I really hope you do well. I hope somebody buys it that will drive it like you did. But as you just said, you're gonna have a good time regardless!


Jeff-

[64pontiac]

Hey Blake if you let me drive it I will come stand next to your nova, you know a pretty face might help it sell! haha ya right. Plus its damn cold here now I could use some warm weather! Not that I am complaining or anything!

[GregWeld]

I'm selling the Mule at no reserve because I have a good auction time at Barrett. We all think our cars are worth x amount. It is usually more than they are actually worth. Barrett does a great job of bringing the buyers. I don't think there is anywhere else that will bring more money for my car. It is not going to be worth more than the high bid so no reserve is the way to go in my mind. The Camaro in this thread has a good time slot so in my opinion it is going to bring all it is really worth at the least. I would not be surprised if his Camaro doesn't bring more than the Mule. The trendy type looking cars seem to do quite well at Barrett-Jackson. The Mule doesn't have alot of flash compared to it.




I'd buy The Mule all day long -- but you bast age -- you've cost me a f'k'n fortune this last couple years as it is -- so I'm done - stick a fork in me.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



Besides - I like electric windows I'm too short to reach across and roll the manuals down.

[Stuart Adams]

I'd buy The Mule all day long -- but you bast age -- you've cost me a f'k'n fortune this last couple years as it is -- so I'm done - stick a fork in me.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



Besides - I like electric windows I'm too short to reach across and roll the manuals down.

The Mule is perfect for you - just saying. It at least would stay in the community. I like spending others money,LOL. So does Charley I guess!!

[GregWeld]

The Mule is perfect for you - just saying. It at least would stay in the community. I like spending others money,LOL. So does Charley I guess!!




You stay out of it! :hitaxeonthehead:



Don't you have a car to build?? :gitrdun:

[Stuart Adams]

You stay out of it! :hitaxeonthehead:



Don't you have a car to build?? :gitrdun:

Yeah, I just hope its this decade, LOL.

[Vegas69]

Not my style but my opinion is that it's a great Barrett car. It appeals to those with the cash. If Charley is telling you it may bring more than the Mule, get the truck on the way.

[irishlsxer]

Well I know one thing; this is definitely the right place to ask for opinions. No shortage:D

[Bryan O]

$70,000.

[SWAPMEETCRAZY]

Well I know one thing; this is definitely the right place to ask for opinions. No shortage:D

And that's exactly what the OP wanted....I would too if I was taking mine to a no reserve auction...Most of the posters on this thread have "BEEN THERE..DONE THAT" or at least "BEEN THERE ...SEEN THAT" :thumbsup:

[irishlsxer]

And that's exactly what the OP wanted....I would too if I was taking mine to a no reserve auction...Most of the posters on this thread have "BEEN THERE..DONE THAT" or at least "BEEN THERE ...SEEN THAT" :thumbsup:

I'll rephrase. It's refreshing to see the the opinions follow the request;). C'mon Rob, Matt! Where ya at?! Lol:innocent: :topic: :innocent:

Seriously, Although pretty personalized, your car has a great look to it. I'm no car god, but my father and I Have been to several Barrett Jackson's. IMO, A well built car that stands out like that has more of a chance at hitting solid numbers at bj than possibly something more mundane looking with a pricier drivetrain. Like the big boys said though, You need the right crowd and you need to do your best to market it before it crosses.

[SWAPMEETCRAZY]

^^^ I wasn't trying to be grumpy but that is what he wanted and I agree with you that the camaro (although not quite my taste) should do good especially if that time slot holds.........jmo......jim

[Ns RS]

"I'd buy The Mule all day long -- but you bast age -- you've cost me a f'k'n fortune this last couple years as it is -- so I'm done - stick a fork in me."


Greg,

Buying the Mule will just up your post count beyond 20,000 overnite with “Holy crap you bought the Mule?? Awesome!!! threads.

Your investment will definetly hold its value. If Mark Stielow is the Don Yenko of our times albeit with a better haircut then owning the PT Crown Jewel El Mule is sure to pay dividends handsomely in the future when everyone else comes around to understanding/paying for PT rarity and greatness.

It can function as your back up back up track car.

It’ll serve to keep atleast one full on Chevy in your stable.

This one you can buy just for yourself (and everyone else here)

Charley if Greg sways easy on this and buys I expect 2 tickets to 2014 MCACN with a couple of preztel vouchers.

to hotwhls goodluck with the sale.

[chrismoe]

Hello. To start, nice car. I remember seeing this car at RK motors a while back when it still had the punisher branding on it. In looking at the BJ pics, I still see the shadow of the logo on the quarter panel. May just be me, but, did they re paint the quarters or pull off the logos or ??? Just wondering if there is any trace of the logos still on the car. Can you please let me know.

Thanks,
Chris

[hotwhls]

No there is no trace of anything on the car it just a weird angle picture. All the paint is in perfect shape. I am thinking of not taking the car to barrett I just don't know if the money is going to be there. But if you know someone that may be interested let me know. Thanks

[GregWeld]

"I'd buy The Mule all day long -- but you bast age -- you've cost me a f'k'n fortune this last couple years as it is -- so I'm done - stick a fork in me."


Greg,

Buying the Mule will just up your post count beyond 20,000 overnite with “Holy crap you bought the Mule?? Awesome!!! threads.

Your investment will definetly hold its value. If Mark Stielow is the Don Yenko of our times albeit with a better haircut then owning the PT Crown Jewel El Mule is sure to pay dividends handsomely in the future when everyone else comes around to understanding/paying for PT rarity and greatness.

It can function as your back up back up track car.

It’ll serve to keep atleast one full on Chevy in your stable.

This one you can buy just for yourself (and everyone else here)

Charley if Greg sways easy on this and buys I expect 2 tickets to 2014 MCACN with a couple of preztel vouchers.

to hotwhls goodluck with the sale.



VERY FUNNY. Are you and Charley connected somehow? He's like that little devil dude that sits on your shoulder taunting you to "buy buy buy".

[chrismoe]

No there is no trace of anything on the car it just a weird angle picture. All the paint is in perfect shape. I am thinking of not taking the car to barrett I just don't know if the money is going to be there. But if you know someone that may be interested let me know. Thanks

OK, got it. Yea, appears the light in the pics threw me off. And, if I hear of anyone loooking for a nice Camaro, I will send them your way.

Take care,
Chris

[Steve Chryssos]

No there is no trace of anything on the car it just a weird angle picture. All the paint is in perfect shape. I am thinking of not taking the car to barrett I just don't know if the money is going to be there. But if you know someone that may be interested let me know. Thanks

If Barrett Jackson were a bad idea, Charlie Lillard wouldn't do it. He's really smart. Visit the "results" page on the Barrett-Jackson website and look at the comps from prior events. I think you'll be quite pleased. It's just like real estate. The comparable sales do not lie.

[ironworks]

No there is no trace of anything on the car it just a weird angle picture. All the paint is in perfect shape. I am thinking of not taking the car to barrett I just don't know if the money is going to be there. But if you know someone that may be interested let me know. Thanks

I can tell you it will bring what its worth at Barrett Jackson as long as you pay to put it in the price range appropriate time slot. You can market the car for years online and never get the same buyers you would at Barrett Jackson.

This car will bring just as much or more at Barrett Jackson then it will trying to sell it privately. I don't see what the big risk is people see selling it at BJ.

Rodger

[GregWeld]

I can tell you it will bring what its worth at Barrett Jackson as long as you pay to put it in the price range appropriate time slot. You can market the car for years online and never get the same buyers you would at Barrett Jackson.

This car will bring just as much or more at Barrett Jackson then it will trying to sell it privately. I don't see what the big risk is people see selling it at BJ.

Rodger



The RISK is he's a non-recurring single car seller --- and as such --- will most likely NOT get the appropriate time slot that we all know is critical to getting "said value" from his sale.

Go talk to anyone that has had the unlucky (stupid on their part?) early or late Thursday time slot --- or early morning (pick a day)… and there's just no buyers in the house. TIME SLOT is everything at these auctions.

[Steve Chryssos]

So the people at Barrett Jackson are happy to just throw away possible commission on a high dollar build by randomly dishing out weak time slots?

Again -- Look at the comps. Go here:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/archivecarlist.aspx

Search 1969 Chevrolet Camaro and look for sale price and other trends relative to the quality of the cars. It will be clear that the process is anything but fast and loose.

[ironworks]

The RISK is he's a non-recurring single car seller --- and as such --- will most likely NOT get the appropriate time slot that we all know is critical to getting "said value" from his sale.

Go talk to anyone that has had the unlucky (stupid on their part?) early or late Thursday time slot --- or early morning (pick a day)… and there's just no buyers in the house. TIME SLOT is everything at these auctions.

And their is always going to be the guy who does not get anywhere near what people who did not want to or could bid on the car think it should have brought.... "ALL DAY LONG".

The car has to appeal to the masses or your market is just narrower.

If you have a Saturday time slot for this car and you actually want to sell it, You might as well ride it out, cuz it will sell for what its worth. Its a 69 Camaro there has to be some people in audience that want a 69 Camaro.

[MarkM66]

So the people at Barrett Jackson are happy to just throw away possible commission on a high dollar build by randomly dishing out weak time slots?

Again -- Look at the comps. Go here:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/archivecarlist.aspx

Search 1969 Chevrolet Camaro and look for sale price and other trends relative to the quality of the cars. It will be clear that the process is anything but fast and loose.

Surprisingly enough, they do. I tried to get a good spot at this auction. They said I applied to late, but they'd give me a way late or early time, or Sunday. No way....

Check my fb page for pictures Steve. It was built resale ready.. ;) .

Maybe it's just me, but this years auction looks kind of week in terms of high end customs/pro-touring cars. Friday usually has some heavy hitters. I'm just not seeing it this year.

I agree with Greg, I think alot of times it's a "who you are" type of deal. Just google some of the VIN's. Most of those cars have already been to BJ a few times, Mecum, ebay, dealers, etc. Alot of "been around the block" a few times cars. And you can tell who the dealers are when you see 5+ cars in a row all with the same backgrounds.

John Parsons Nova will be there, along with a bunch of others from the same seller.

[Stuart Adams]

I think the opinions here are pretty reasonable about car worth or possible price you could reasonably assume.

What price range are you thinking the car will bring?

That may give you some idea if your sweating taken the car there.

[GregWeld]

Surprisingly enough, they do. I tried to get a good spot at this auction. They said I applied to late, but they'd give me a way late or early time, or Sunday. No way....

Check my fb page for pictures Steve. It was built resale ready.. ;) .

Maybe it's just me, but this years auction looks kind of week in terms of high end customs/pro-touring cars. Friday usually has some heavy hitters. I'm just not seeing it this year.

I agree with Greg, I think alot of times it's a "who you are" type of deal. Just google some of the VIN's. Most of those cars have already been to BJ a few times, Mecum, ebay, dealers, etc. Alot of "been around the block" a few times cars. And you can tell who the dealers are when you see 5+ cars in a row all with the same backgrounds.

John Parsons Nova will be there, along with a bunch of others from the same seller.



EGG SACK LEE -- and anyone that thinks otherwise is a fool ready to be parted with his money. My buddy takes 30 plus cars there (my Nomad will be one of his sales this time) and he is at EVERY BJ auction with a bunch of great cars (sales wise)… both as a buyer and a seller. THAT is who they care about.

They have to run 900 plus cars through there --- do ya really think they're all going to have prime time Saturday slots?? Somebody's car has to run first on Thursday and somebody's car is going to be the last one on Sunday. And if you think you're going to get top bids with those time slots - then :gitrdun:

[Blake Foster]

The RISK is he's a non-recurring single car seller --- and as such --- will most likely NOT get the appropriate time slot that we all know is critical to getting "said value" from his sale.

Go talk to anyone that has had the unlucky (stupid on their part?) early or late Thursday time slot --- or early morning (pick a day)… and there's just no buyers in the house. TIME SLOT is everything at these auctions.

I know when JF sold the yellow Chrysler wagon he ended up with prime time Saturday at about 6 and it was sold heavily all week prior. and still took a bath considering it was a great 8 can west coast custom of the year GG custom of the year I think. anyway Ron Pratt bought it (stole it) because no one else wanted it at 175,000

[clill]

I know when JF sold the yellow Chrysler wagon he ended up with prime time Saturday at about 6 and it was sold heavily all week prior. and still took a bath considering it was a great 8 can west coast custom of the year GG custom of the year I think. anyway Ron Pratt bought it (stole it) because no one else wanted it at 175,000

He STOLE a Chrysler wagon at 175K ? Who cares if it is a great 8 car. Yes that means it was a good car but the market for specialty cars like that is thin. Where else can you get 175K for that car ?

[GregWeld]

He STOLE a Chrysler wagon at 175K ? Who cares if it is a great 8 car. Yes that means it was a good car but the market for specialty cars like that is thin. Where else can you get 175K for that car ?




Agree… When they're full customs like that -- it's not what it cost to build -- it's who else wants it - and can afford to pay…

[clill]

What would that Chrysler sell for on Ebay ?

[Bill Howell]

1. OP question- Great time slot, My WAG- $125-140K
2. Mule vs. this car. Tough call. personally I think the mule will do $225K if people really know what they are looking at. If I had the coin, I would hands down buy it for it's historic value to our nitch in the market. However, that isn't an option.
3. Blake, I have the right picture to use in your sales promotion, just needs the caption.... "Only driven on Sundays!"

[GregWeld]

2. Mule vs. this car. Tough call. personally I think the mule will do $225K





Only if he can get it started…:D

[ccracin]

Only if he can get it started…:D

OUCH! :weld:

[GregWeld]

OUCH! :weld:



Oh yeah…. Putz's are like that….


:slingshot: :mock: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Vegas69]

Bottom line is a majority of cars around here are worth a whole lot less than the owner thinks. Your dream, baby, passion doesn't mean a damn thing to anybody else. Sure a car like the mule has a pedigree but who around here is going to barrett to bid?

There just isn't big money outside of an auction for a pro touring car. 999 out of a 1000

[Che70velle]

And it wouldn't hurt if Mike Joy would educate himself about pro touring cars. He usually doesn't get real excited over a custom car, unless it's a nascar. After all, he's the guy holding the microphone...

[GregWeld]

And it wouldn't hurt if Mike Joy would educate himself about pro touring cars. He usually doesn't get real excited over a custom car, unless it's a nascar. After all, he's the guy holding the microphone...



That's part of the challenge! #1 you have to get NOTICED --- and people have to start talking about your car - and getting other people to go check it out… and the seller is going to have to be there and suck up all the stupid ass questions and go over every detail about half a bazillion times (if you're lucky enough to get that kind of interest!) --- to a lot of people that don't even have bidder passes… but you have to be nice to EVERYBODY and tell the story and sell the car over and over again… because that one guy that you thought was a bozo --- (think about that Ferrari hat wearing schmuck that was the "rep" for the real buyer of the $4 million dollar Oldsmobile//Corvette proto) might just be a real bidder. Remember it takes at least TWO if not THREE people that want YOUR car. The retailer/resellers in the crowd ARE NOT going to bid your car up -- unless, of course, they're your buddies.

[MarkM66]

And it wouldn't hurt if Mike Joy would educate himself about pro touring cars. He usually doesn't get real excited over a custom car, unless it's a nascar. After all, he's the guy holding the microphone...

They're not perfect, but realistically, he's there to entertain the armchair quarterbacks at home, not to educate the bidders that are there.

As far as promotions go. One thing that really varies between Barrett and Mecum, is Mecum starts to fill and promote their big auctions months before the event. For the "Catalog" cars, they send a professional photographer to you, to take quality photos of the car. They'll also run ads in magazines about specific cars that are going to be there. As for BJ, it's about a month until Scottsdale, and there are a lot of cars that still don't even have a picture on their website. BJ consignments are all placed by Steve Davis, and can take weeks. Mecum will call you in a few hours with a lot #.

[SSLance]

Interesting comparison.

When we ran the ZL1 through Mecum in April in KC, they wouldn't give the car the time of day. Dana himself, after I introduced myself and showed him the car said... "Hmm, interesting car" and turned and walked away. The TV guys never once asked me anything about the car, even though it was parked 9 cars away from the stage all weekend long.

Velocity was at COMMERCIAL when the car crossed the block, they came back to live when it was off the main stage but the bid was still raging on.

BTW, the car was the high bid car of the auction. Came pretty dern close to hitting the reserve too...in KC...in April.

You just never know, like said above...all it takes it two people that both want the car.

[Steve Chryssos]

There are MANY prime slots beyond just Saturday between 6 and 8. Empirically, there are HUNDREDS of prime slots across multiple days -- not five slots or twenty. Do the math.

As for the Mule, go to Scottsdale and watch how hard Lillard works to educate each and every potential bidder on its features and provenance. He does that for each car he brings. I've never seen anything like it. ..and always with a smile. It's work.

[Stuart Adams]

It will sell.

If that is your goal your in the right place.

[clill]

Lance. What ZL1 were you selling ?

Actually Steve I'm not sure how much time I will be spending with the Mule. Alot of auctions to check out that week.

[camcojb]

Actually Steve I'm not sure how much time I will be spending with the Mule. Alot of auctions to check out that week.
I'll re-read Mark's book on the Mule and babysit it for 'ya. :D

[MarkM66]

There are MANY prime slots beyond just Saturday between 6 and 8. Empirically, there are HUNDREDS of prime slots across multiple days -- not five slots or twenty. Do the math.

As for the Mule, go to Scottsdale and watch how hard Lillard works to educate each and every potential bidder on its features and provenance. He does that for each car he brings. I've never seen anything like it. ..and always with a smile. It's work.

Definitely. In my case, I would of took a few different times. But they only offered me late spots surrounded by driver quality type cars IMO. And I wouldn't want bidders wondering why BJ didn't give the car a good spot. If I would of consigned it earlier, I'm sure I would of had a much better chance at getting a good spot. Gary Bennett told me it's basically first come first serve, but I'm sure they make exceptions to that.

They gave me a great spot at Vegas a few years back, but that's Vegas.

[hifi875]

Friday afternoon and evening slots do really well, atleast they have the past 2 years when ive been there. And Tv don't show 1/10th of whats going on. Its a lot different in person than on tv. its nonstop from opening till closing.

[SSLance]

Lance. What ZL1 were you selling ?



It's not my car, it belongs to my business partner...but I have been involved with the car every step of the way for the past 15 years or so.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=43943

It'll be Lot 1083 at Barrett Jackson, Friday mid day to evening I believe.

[Steve Chryssos]

Definitely. In my case, I would of took a few different times. But they only offered me late spots surrounded by driver quality type cars IMO. And I wouldn't want bidders wondering why BJ didn't give the car a good spot. If I would of consigned it earlier, I'm sure I would of had a much better chance at getting a good spot. Gary Bennett told me it's basically first come first serve, but I'm sure they make exceptions to that.

They gave me a great spot at Vegas a few years back, but that's Vegas.

It's a gorgeous car. The interior's amazing. I missed the whole build. Do you still have it?

[Steve Chryssos]

Actually Steve I'm not sure how much time I will be spending with the Mule. Alot of auctions to check out that week.

You can borrow my cloning machine. Though it doesn't work quite right. Good luck with the auction and see you there.

[MarkM66]

It's a gorgeous car. The interior's amazing. I missed the whole build. Do you still have it?

Thanks Steve, the '67 Camaro? Yeah, I still have it, just finished it.

[Wissing72]

Just my .02 I agree with most of what is being said here. It sounds like the car has a good spot. I am taking my El Camino to Barrett-Jackson as well, I know what I have into the car and I know what they sell for on the "street". I am prepared for what it gets, hi or low. I made the decision to do it because once the papers and car are there it is "sold". I don't have tire kickers giving me the noise about "let me think it over", or "I saw one just like it for half the price", etc.
I am selling it because I am ready to move on. The Chevelle is close to done and I have other projects I want to do as well. These cars are only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. We have all seen the HUGE numbers on t.v. and we all hope that we can get it as well. Its like gambling or the lotto, some are going to win and some are going to lose, but if your not prepared don't play.
On a side note, I hope to see and meet a couple of the members here.

[MarkM66]

Just my .02 I agree with most of what is being said here. It sounds like the car has a good spot. I am taking my El Camino to Barrett-Jackson as well, I know what I have into the car and I know what they sell for on the "street". I am prepared for what it gets, hi or low. I made the decision to do it because once the papers and car are there it is "sold". I don't have tire kickers giving me the noise about "let me think it over", or "I saw one just like it for half the price", etc.
I am selling it because I am ready to move on. The Chevelle is close to done and I have other projects I want to do as well. These cars are only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. We have all seen the HUGE numbers on t.v. and we all hope that we can get it as well. Its like gambling or the lotto, some are going to win and some are going to lose, but if your not prepared don't play.
On a side note, I hope to see and meet a couple of the members here.

I agree with that, like rolling the dice.

I think you have a good spot, good luck.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=499&aid=525

[GregWeld]

I sold my Nomad to a buddy that is in the business… and he's taking it to BJ -- along with probably 25+ other cars. This is A LOT OLDER restoration -- but I put good parts on it and had a lot of fun with it over the 14 years I had it. I think I put 5 motors in = 3+ transmissions - couple different brake systems - tubular A arms etc - which then made me realize how nice they "can" drive --- so stuck a Jim Meyer chassis under it (Art wasn't making them at the time!). Art M was bending the rails for chassis for Jim… and he was the one that actually sent me to Jim Meyer. It was Jim Meyer or the stock/corvette conversion from Paul Newman..

My choice was to completely re-do the car - top to bottom - or move on to something different. I think in your mind once you're done - you're done. I loaned the car to my brother in law and he drove it the last couple of years… so that kind of tells ya where I was at on it.

It has - by far - the best motor I've ever owned. It's the perfect street beast… big torque in the bottom right off idle -- but is a window rattler and set off alarms in parking lots. I love that!

I figure the car will sell for about a 1/3rd what I put into it over the years. LOL


And NO! Those are not my wheels and tires...



http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=1363&aid=525

[James OLC]

I think that one of the keys to going to Barrett (or any other auction) is to be honest with yourself about your expectations and not to get to caught up in the games that some folks play there. Before you even make the decision to head to BJ you have to accept that the car is going to sell. The notion that you can always eat the fees and buy it yourself if you don't make the number is great but if you really think that is your backup plan then you're not being realistic with your expectations - the math doesn't work. It's up to you to do your best and you're off to a great start with a good spot and a great car. Bret V, for example! did a lot of marketing before and at the show with the RideTech Camaro and it paid dividends. Make an effort, maximize your exposure and move on to the next car.

My choice was to completely re-do the car - top to bottom - or move on to something different. I think in your mind once you're done - you're done.

Truer words have rarely been spoken Mr. Weld. Love the nomad - very cool car - but it kind of pales in comparison to what came after - you have to love progress!

[Wissing72]

I agree with that, like rolling the dice.

I think you have a good spot, good luck.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=499&aid=525
Thanks, I am ready to move on. Always a little nervous though....

I sold my Nomad to a buddy that is in the business… and he's taking it to BJ -- along with probably 25+ other cars. This is A LOT OLDER restoration -- but I put good parts on it and had a lot of fun with it over the 14 years I had it. I think I put 5 motors in = 3+ transmissions - couple different brake systems - tubular A arms etc - which then made me realize how nice they "can" drive --- so stuck a Jim Meyer chassis under it (Art wasn't making them at the time!). Art M was bending the rails for chassis for Jim… and he was the one that actually sent me to Jim Meyer. It was Jim Meyer or the stock/corvette conversion from Paul Newman..

My choice was to completely re-do the car - top to bottom - or move on to something different. I think in your mind once you're done - you're done. I loaned the car to my brother in law and he drove it the last couple of years… so that kind of tells ya where I was at on it.

It has - by far - the best motor I've ever owned. It's the perfect street beast… big torque in the bottom right off idle -- but is a window rattler and set off alarms in parking lots. I love that!

I figure the car will sell for about a 1/3rd what I put into it over the years. LOL


And NO! Those are not my wheels and tires...



http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=1363&aid=525

Nice 56. I think the 2nd paragraph says it all Greg. The sale price compared to investment over the years can be misleading at times. The cars are a hobby and for fun and enjoyment. You go to Vegas, Disneyland, Etc. you rarely get back what you put into the trip financially (someone who is in the car business is different, but they still lose at times). The enjoyment and memories are what your really paying for. I am sure some will disagree, just my opinion and how I accept it. When one sells hi or low I have something for the next project
Now that have said this mine will sell for a nickel and I will be off in some state depression...:headscratch::twak:

[nbthrux12]

In the same vain as the original post, I have been looking to sell my motorcycle that I have built. Link here:

http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2012-Triumph-Thruxton-SPECIAL-EDITION-111263329

I got a auction slot for Wednesday in Scottsdale 2014. Obviously it's hard to predict and since there aren't any really comparables wanted to get a sense if you all thought I could get a good return on it. I bought it for 9k brand new, and have put about 10k into it, I was hoping to get at least 15k or more. With it being such a smaller price point I was curious to get some more knowledgeable and experienced point of views.

Thanks.

[GregWeld]

In a response to Charley Lillard….





You can borrow my cloning machine. Though it doesn't work quite right. Good luck with the auction and see you there.




Oh gawd! Just shoot me….



HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[ironworks]

In the same vain as the original post, I have been looking to sell my motorcycle that I have built. Link here:

http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2012-Triumph-Thruxton-SPECIAL-EDITION-111263329

I got a auction slot for Wednesday in Scottsdale 2014. Obviously it's hard to predict and since there aren't any really comparables wanted to get a sense if you all thought I could get a good return on it. I bought it for 9k brand new, and have put about 10k into it, I was hoping to get at least 15k or more. With it being such a smaller price point I was curious to get some more knowledgeable and experienced point of views.

Thanks.

No matter what it is, it has to appeal to 2 or more people enough to bid on it. With a bike you hoping to clear 15k or more on, Barrett Jackson would never give you a prime spot. I have seen the absolute worst cars at Barrett Jackson bring 3k. So there is a buyer for every car. Even this one.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=3&aid=424

[Boss 5.0]

I don't see this car listed anymore. Change of heart? Too bad, with that prime spot I bet it would have brought good money.

[hotwhls]

No I ended up not taking the car. Which I am glad I don't think this was the year for Camaros.

[Sheck44]

Agreed, Seemed to be the year of the mustang ...

[Stuart Adams]

Having the Shelby book with the records helps sell those cars. People buying the mustangs, Shelby stuff will always be pretty strong because of the records or lack of that make a buyer more educated on what the car is. Especially at an auction. The camaros, chevelles are so faked these days that it scares the heck out of people spending big bucks for supposed original numbered stuff.

BJ and crew are very educated on Shelby's, another reason they are strong there.

As far as the pro touring stuff, I think which ever camp your in do well and are pretty competitive. The camaros have an edge IMO because the mods were out way sooner.

According to the paper all the auction houses that week were up in sales. One Ferrari sold for over 8 million. Wow.

[Steve Chryssos]

Congratulations Greg Weld. Your Nomad is the 3rd best selling 56 Nomad of all time at Barrett-Jackson. ..And the best selling car is one of those hand- hammered Foose thingies from 2005 without a shred of 56 Nomad DNA. So if you drop that one-off car as a realistic "comp", yours is the second highest selling 56 Nomad behind a car that only fetched $2K more.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=1005&aid=51

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=990.1&aid=403

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=1363&aid=525

[bulldog19]

Wonder if the Foose Wagon runs as well as Greg's 32?

[6D9 Matt]

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=990.1&aid=403

I know the guy that bought this one... ride is AWESOME! :wow:

[GregWeld]

Congratulations Greg Weld. Your Nomad is the 3rd best selling 56 Nomad of all time at Barrett-Jackson. ..And the best selling car is one of those hand- hammered Foose thingies from 2005 without a shred of 56 Nomad DNA. So if you drop that one-off car as a realistic "comp", yours is the second highest selling 56 Nomad behind a car that only fetched $2K more.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=1005&aid=51

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=990.1&aid=403

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=1363&aid=525




Okay ---- that's pretty kool info!!

Thanks!!

[GregWeld]

Wonder if the Foose Wagon runs as well as Greg's 32?




My '32 runs fantastic! It was the stupid little things like the taillights that didn't work -- and the coolant leaks... and the crappy LOOKING wiring job... ALL FIXABLE and FIXED...


I will say this though ---- It's (the '32) HALF the car the new '33 build is. Half might be an overstatement....