Nelson racing 454 engine

[Mathi]

Hi guys,

Looking for a high performance and reliable engine for my stang. I found this one from Nelson Racing engines. I know he produce some wicked engines but I want to know if someone has experience with this type of small block?

Thanks!

http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/pricesheets/ford/pumpgas/fi/ws_pg_454sbf_i.pdf

[dhutton]

Google is your friend here. Do a search. Here is one to get you started:

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=41009

Don

[clill]

Here is where I buy and I also know of at least one name shop that buys from Thomson and resells as their own. Great product.
http://www.thomsonautomotive.com/

[Mathi]

Damn, that sucks to read. The guys didn't answered my mails about ordering an engine, it all makes sense now.

Any guys know high end engine builders?
I want the following for my stang:
- Small block
- Fuel injection or supercharger
- Approx 750 hp
- Reliable as a daily driver

And offcourse a good looking innovated engine...

Regards

[Sieg]

They've been for SEMA and possibly on the road there or at the show.

Can I ask why you want a daily driver with race track hp? How many miles/km do you expect to put on the car a year/month? I'm assuming Belgium's roads are frequently damp and that kind of hp in the wet isn't much fun without traction control. When you say reliable what is your definition of reliable? Motors putting out that kind of power have much higher service requirements than 450-500 hp motors.

That's said Thompsen Automotive is one of your best choices.

[angrybird]

Check out Fordstrokers.com or Fordstrokers @ Facebook
shoot them an email and google for feedbacks. You wont be disappointed.
:thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Another one is Jim Kuntz and Company.

We purchased 2 big inch small block Ford strokers from them.

Ph.# 870-246-2595

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The motor in the 2nd vid belongs to the Mustang below.

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[Mathi]

They've been for SEMA and possibly on the road there or at the show.

Can I ask why you want a daily driver with race track hp? How many miles/km do you expect to put on the car a year/month? I'm assuming Belgium's roads are frequently damp and that kind of hp in the wet isn't much fun without traction control. When you say reliable what is your definition of reliable? Motors putting out that kind of power have much higher service requirements than 450-500 hp motors.

That's said Thompsen Automotive is one of your best choices.

Hi sir,
To be honest, I'm thinking about participate a large trip with sportscars (modball), kinda Gumball but less expensive. And not only that but also because I'm just addicted to hp... I have on this moment a Roush 427R in my stang and I can drive it like I stole it but you all know how it goes.
I know this engine is really reliable, you can take it out to everywhere...

The Nelson engines look incredible and are high end engines, it would look amazing in my car...

[Sieg]

Hi sir,
To be honest, I'm thinking about participate a large trip with sportscars (modball), kinda Gumball but less expensive. And not only that but also because I'm just addicted to hp... I have on this moment a Roush 427R in my stang and I can drive it like I stole it but you all know how it goes.
I know this engine is really reliable, you can take it out to everywhere...

The Nelson engines look incredible and are high end engines, it would look amazing in my car...
Understood, I was playing advocate as you don't always know the reality of who you're dealing with in the forum environment.

A dry sump Thompson LS9 would work nicely in your Ford. :peepwall: :D

What kind of power is your Roush motor producing?

[DaleTx]

A.C. Nutter (nutter racing engines) is doing a port fuel injected; computer controlled; dry sump; aluminum block, Ford 427" engine for a friend of mines project. The engine is a stroked 351 aluminum Ford SVO block.

He has figured out how to adapt GM electronics (ECM and reluctor) onto some Ford engines and even gen1 big block Chevy's. This particular Ford engine build will run the GM ECM and coil on plug set up, and Kaase heads.

I have done several engine builds with Nutter with good results. Great guy to work with on performance builds... lots of experience.

Here is a link to his website: www.nutterracingengines.com

[supremeefi]

Hi sir,
To be honest, I'm thinking about participate a large trip with sportscars (modball), kinda Gumball but less expensive. And not only that but also because I'm just addicted to hp... I have on this moment a Roush 427R in my stang and I can drive it like I stole it but you all know how it goes.
I know this engine is really reliable, you can take it out to everywhere...

The Nelson engines look incredible and are high end engines, it would look amazing in my car...

Where are you located? EFI?

[gnx7]

With enuf cubic inches you can have a 600-700hp n/a daily driver without issues. The main downside is bad fuel economy and low end driveability.

A turbo or supercharger combined with a smaller cam will make it much more driveable and have the potential for waaaaaay more power

[Mathi]

Understood, I was playing advocate as you don't always know the reality of who you're dealing with in the forum environment.

A dry sump Thompson LS9 would work nicely in your Ford. :peepwall: :D

What kind of power is your Roush motor producing?


The roush produces 550hp. It's pretty fast already...

Regards

[Mathi]

Where are you located? EFI?

I'm located in Belgium, Europe.

Regards

[Mathi]

To be honest, I drove always carburated engines. I live in Belgium so high end cars with crazy engines, you don't find it here.
I'm curious to superchargers or turbo's? I understand that the car handles completely different with a supercharger or turbo instead of a normal fuel injection (which don't do anything for more hp) or carburator?

Anyone knows a good company which build high end reliable turbo engines?

Maybe it's not bad to think about a supercharged or turbo engine for that much of hp.

Regards

[clill]

Mayhem has a 887hp 427 Supercharged LS engine that Thompson built. It runs on pump gas, gets over 20mpg with the ac on and does it making only 10 lbs of boost. Between supercharged and Turbo-ed I would go with the Supercharger. A much more linear torque curve. I own both. Most turbo engines have low compression and until you nail the throttle they feel underpowered. The Supercharged car makes it all the time.

[mikels]

Mayhem has a 887hp 427 Supercharged LS engine that Thompson built. It runs on pump gas, gets over 20mpg with the ac on and does it making only 10 lbs of boost. Between supercharged and Turbo-ed I would go with the Supercharger. A much more linear torque curve. I own both. Most turbo engines have low compression and until you nail the throttle they feel underpowered. The Supercharged car makes it all the time.

Echoing Charlie's comments:

Having worked on many supercharged engines (as well as countless NA and turbo engines), I can tell you it is impossible to beat the overall driveability, controllability and outright power balance that supercharging provides. In particular with the latest SC technology like Eaton TVS superchargers.

I attached a graph for comparison showing Thomson's 427 Supercharged engine (from Mayhem) with one of Thomson's 442 cubic inch LS7's (from Corvette). Besides the power curves pointing out the very obvious, it does not begin to show the differences in driveability. (not sure how to place picture in post)

Both these engines make great power, run on pump gas, etc. - but with the SC engine, there is no 'special' instructions needed to drive it (other than be aware when applying throttle!). The NA engine continously reminds you what it's all about - and has some driveability characteristics that are not ideal.

I like an agressive cam and loping idle as much as anyone, but once you've experienced the overall package of a well done positive displacment blown engine...... well, it makes it hard to be satisfied with anything less.

[Stuart Adams]

Echoing Charlie's comments:

Having worked on many supercharged engines (as well as countless NA and turbo engines), I can tell you it is impossible to beat the overall driveability, controllability and outright power balance that supercharging provides. In particular with the latest SC technology like Eaton TVS superchargers.

I attached a graph for comparison showing Thomson's 427 Supercharged engine (from Mayhem) with one of Thomson's 442 cubic inch LS7's (from Corvette). Besides the power curves pointing out the very obvious, it does not begin to show the differences in driveability. (not sure how to place picture in post)

Both these engines make great power, run on pump gas, etc. - but with the SC engine, there is no 'special' instructions needed to drive it (other than be aware when applying throttle!). The NA engine continously reminds you what it's all about - and has some driveability characteristics that are not ideal.

I like an agressive cam and loping idle as much as anyone, but once you've experienced the overall package of a well done positive displacment blown engine...... well, it makes it hard to be satisfied with anything less.

Great info.

[camcojb]

I attached a graph for comparison showing Thomson's 427 Supercharged engine (from Mayhem) with one of Thomson's 442 cubic inch LS7's (from Corvette). Besides the power curves pointing out the very obvious, it does not begin to show the differences in driveability. (not sure how to place picture in post)


I attached a pic for you Dave. Thanks for the great info. :thumbsup:

[DaleTx]

Echoing Charlie's comments:

Having worked on many supercharged engines (as well as countless NA and turbo engines), I can tell you it is impossible to beat the overall driveability, controllability and outright power balance that supercharging provides. In particular with the latest SC technology like Eaton TVS superchargers.

I attached a graph for comparison showing Thomson's 427 Supercharged engine (from Mayhem) with one of Thomson's 442 cubic inch LS7's (from Corvette). Besides the power curves pointing out the very obvious, it does not begin to show the differences in driveability. (not sure how to place picture in post)

Both these engines make great power, run on pump gas, etc. - but with the SC engine, there is no 'special' instructions needed to drive it (other than be aware when applying throttle!). The NA engine continously reminds you what it's all about - and has some driveability characteristics that are not ideal.

I like an agressive cam and loping idle as much as anyone, but once you've experienced the overall package of a well done positive displacment blown engine...... well, it makes it hard to be satisfied with anything less.

Mike, great post... very impressive results on both of the engine builds (SC & NA). Both engines have very nice linear HP and Torque curves. Question for you…. what is the difference in weight between the SC engine and NA engine? I’ve always wondered how much extra weight is added on the front of the car with the super charger set up.

To the OP... Comparing a carburated engine to EFI... I have a 670 HP 427" EFI LS engine...and like Charlie... I get 20 plus mpg cruising on the street. You just can't beat the technology and efficiency of the new engines. I know that I would never do another carburated engine build after running the fuel injected LS engine. You can run higher compression, larger cams, and make more HP, while still being streetable.

Once you get up around 600 HP at the wheels it's all good. For what you want to do the super charger sounds like the best bet :cheers:

[supremeefi]

I'm located in Belgium, Europe.

Regards

Didn't you have problems with an 8 stack Big block awhile back? I think I sent you a cal, did you ever get it?

Great info here guys. I prefer superchargers as well.

[uxojerry]

44394

Take a look at ultrastreet.net for engine options. They have plenty of 500-650hp ford racing street motors. EFI is an option on any of their engines and an aluminum block is available.

I have the SBC 427 8 stack motor and am very happy with it. The engine was tuned and dyno'd before shipping and it was an easy installation and started right up. The engine will go back under the knife for 700hp, lol.

[GregWeld]

Most peoples "issues" with 8 stacks have much more to do with understanding how to get the butterflies equalized - than they do with "fueling" issues. The fueling issues come about as a result of not understanding how quickly these respond to throttle. So typically they're lean.

[Bowtieracing]

3 mystery motors..

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=19531

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=28460&highlight=Nelson

[GregWeld]

3 mystery motors..

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=19531

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=28460&highlight=Nelson



Well that thread was last posted in 2009..... so my guess is those motors are no longer available as offered.....

[Bowtieracing]

Well that thread was last posted in 2009..... so my guess is those motors are no longer available as offered.....

I know.. And 5 years later still no info what happened.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I know.. And 5 years later still no info what happened.

Perhaps lat-g should add a gearhead forensics specialist to it's staff...

:underchair:


lol

[Ron in SoCal]

Perhaps lat-g should add a gearhead forensics specialist to it's staff...

:underchair:


lol

Um, I think I know the guy for the job SKIP :D

[Blake Foster]

If your in Europe and do not HAVE to buy from an engine builder in the USA check out Richmond engines www.richmondengines.com (not much of a web site but he is a WICKED engine builder) he builds lots od Sprint car and boat racing stuff last time I was there their were 15 SBC stack injected engines in for a refresh. I have had 10-12 engines done by Jim that others had messed up and to date have NOT had any problems with them (not all mine mostly customers engines) Jim will talk your ear off, you will pat a bit more but that is because NO corners are cut. great guy, Honest will not screw anyone. super busy because it it.......... and knows how to ship worldwide.

good luck

[fleetus macmullitz]

Um, I think I know the guy for the job SKIP :D

lol

Sounds like a lateral move to me though Ron.

:confused59: