New Z28 on the Ring [Archive]

clill

10-14-2013, 10:17 PM

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f70/watch-new-camaro-z-28-tackle-ring-138274/

I like when he gets airborne at 157 mph...

Sieg

10-14-2013, 10:26 PM

Do you have one yet Charlie? After driving a 1LE I can only imagine how good the Z might be.

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WILWAXU

10-14-2013, 11:54 PM

Looks like a blast! :thumbsup:

Rick D

10-15-2013, 03:25 AM

Wow that just bad ass!! Man I thought he was going to lose it a few times in the rain.

You know I thought I wanted one of these but after seeing that the wipers don't do much at 158 mph I think I'll have to pass :confused18: :_paranoid

So was that Mark driving??

HEEP

10-15-2013, 04:00 AM

So, 161 MPH in the rain.:hairpullout: :hail: :confused59:

Not sure if I'm equipped for that.

HEEP

Stuart Adams

10-15-2013, 06:25 AM

Cool car and video.

Streetking

10-15-2013, 06:30 AM

Very impressive for such a big car..

rchaskin

10-15-2013, 06:48 AM

So, 161 MPH in the rain.:hairpullout: :hail: :confused59:

Not sure if I'm equipped for that.

HEEP

BALLS OF STEEL FOR SURE......

WOW!!!!!

syborg tt

10-15-2013, 01:20 PM

It's on my want list of cars.

hifi875

10-15-2013, 02:38 PM

how come you don't see any muttstangs or shelbys on the ring. are they scared to compete against the general or what??

Track Junky

10-15-2013, 07:16 PM

Man, that was a fun ride. Congrats to Cheverolet :thumbsup: :flag2:

olds87

10-15-2013, 08:36 PM

mustangracer11

10-15-2013, 08:47 PM

how come you don't see any muttstangs or shelbys on the ring. are they scared to compete against the general or what??

They aren't scared. I guess ford puts more focus on drag racing than road corse. Chevy doesn't stand a chance on the strip. And a factory camaro hasn't been 200mph yet. I still believe the mustang is a much better car and will be even better when the next generation comes out.

Track Junky

10-15-2013, 08:56 PM

I noticed he hit a little over 7000 rpm at one point but maintained around 6000 down the straight. Wonder why he didn't push it any harder down the straight?

Ron in SoCal

10-15-2013, 09:09 PM

Sieg

10-15-2013, 09:20 PM

I noticed he hit a little over 7000 rpm at one point but maintained around 6000 down the straight. Wonder why he didn't push it any harder down the straight?
I noticed that appeared he over-revved it between corners early in the run vs shifting.....didn't hear a rev limiter kick in either. The rest of the time it looked like he was shifting @ 6,500-6,800.

161 mph was max I observed......wind conditions, stock aero, running out of ponies? Less than ideal track condition? That lap time was decent IMO considering the track looked like it could have been spotty wet/dry in many areas that it wasn't raining.

Either way, what a great track car right off the showroom floor!

Track Junky

10-15-2013, 09:34 PM

Could have been a combo of weather conditions and aero. Either way he still laid down a fantastic lap time beating the 911 and the Lambo :thumbsup: :flag2:

CarlC

10-15-2013, 10:32 PM

Gotta remember he was going that speed with "only" 505hp. That's not too shabby.

Of all the 5th-gens this is the one I would happily park in the garage. Hopefully the "Z" moniker carries over to the next generation.

Rick D

10-16-2013, 05:33 AM

Go Seahawks! :lol: j/k!

:cheers:

Trouble maker!!!! :mock: :lol:

clill

10-16-2013, 06:04 AM

I want to know if Mark was driving, too.

No that was not Mark.

fleetus macmullitz

10-16-2013, 07:06 AM

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The intensity of the exhaust note reminds me of Steve McQueen driving the Mustang in the Bullitt car chase.

-Lbs_nYW3-o

89 RS

10-16-2013, 07:08 AM

Either way, what a great track car right off the showroom floor!

^Right on! I couldn't agree more, I'll take one!

clill

10-16-2013, 08:04 AM

Driver was Adam Dean.

Press release:

Track-capable Camaro Z/28 Validated at Nürburgring
· Z/28 undergoes 10 hours or 1,000 miles of testing at Nordschleife
· Fastest lap completed in 7:37.40 in rainy conditions

DETROIT – Chevrolet today revealed a video of the all-new, 2014 Camaro Z/28 lapping Germany’s challenging Nürburgring road course in 7:37.40, a time comparable with some of the world’s most prestigious sports cars.

The Z/28’s lap is four seconds faster than the Camaro ZL1, and beats published times for the Porsche 911 Carrera S and the Lamborghini Murcielago LP640. The Z/28’slap was completed on less-than-ideal conditions, with damp pavement and pouring rain near the end of the run.

"One of the challenges of testing at the 'Ring is that the track is so long that conditions can change radically in a single lap," said Al Oppenheiser, Camaro chief engineer. "Adam Dean, the development driver for Z/28, did a heroic job driving in deteriorating conditions. Based on telemetry data from our test sessions, we know the Z/28 can be as much as six seconds faster on a dry track."

In terms of lap times, the Z/28’s improved speed came from three areas:

· Increased grip: The Z/28 is capable of 1.08 g in cornering acceleration, due to comprehensive chassis revisions
· Increased stopping power: The Z/28 features Brembo carbon-ceramic brakes capable of 1.5 g in deceleration, and consistent brake feel lap after lap
· Reduced curb weight: The naturally aspirated Z/28 weighs 300 pounds less than the supercharged Camaro ZL1, with changes ranging from lightweight wheels to thinner rear-window glass.

The heart of the Z/28 is the 7.0L LS7 engine. The LS7 uses lightweight, racing-proven, high-performance components, such as titanium intake valves and connecting rods, CNC-ported aluminum cylinder heads and a forged-steel crankshaft to help produce an SAE-certified 505 horsepower (376 kW) and 481 lb-ft of torque (652 Nm). Air-conditioning is available, but only as an option.

A close-ratio six-speed manual transmission is the only transmission offered and power is distributed to the rear wheels via a limited-slip differential featuring a helical gear set, rather than traditional clutch packs. The new design enables the driver to apply more power and get through corners faster, by making the most of the capability of individual-wheel antilock brake function during corner entry braking, mid-corner speed and corner-exit traction.

The team spent a week at the Nürburgringas part of the Z/28's performance-validation regimen, accumulating a total of 10 hours and nearly 1,000 miles on the track. Each lap took less than eight minutes to complete, despite having to overtake slower traffic at times. These hours are part of the grueling 24-Hour Test, which simulates a full year's worth of track use of track days or amateur-level competition at the hands of an owner.

“Passing the 24-Hour Test is a requirement for all cars we call 'track capable,’” said Wayne McConnell, director of global vehicle performance. "The test pushes the car at 10/10ths on the track for a total of 24 hours. During the test the only mechanical changes allowed are replacing the brakes and tires.”

The 24-Hour Test is broken into a number of segments over the course of several days – and even at different tracks – to evaluate performance in precisely measured and carefully monitored increments. Crucially, each valid test lap must be run within 2 percent of a target lap speed to count toward the 24-hour total.

The 24-Hour Test was first used in the early 1990s for the fourth-generation Corvette. Back then, the 300-horsepower Corvette was Chevrolet’s most powerful vehicle, and the 24-Hour Test measured 15 channels of data. Today, the 2014 Camaro LS offers a 323-horsepower V-6, while the Camaro Z/28’s racing-proven LS7 7.0L small-block V-8 delivers 505 horsepower, and the 24-Hour Test measures 130 channels of data.

“Our cars' performance and capability have advanced tremendously in the past 20 years, which required us to continually improve the parameters of the 24-Hour Test," said McConnell.

"Today’s test pushes the car harder than the vast majority of customers ever will. As a result, when we call a car ‘track capable’ we are confident that it will perform reliably and consistently for our customers.”

camcojb

10-16-2013, 08:07 AM

Driver was Adam Dean.

Ordered one yet? :unibrow:

GregWeld

10-16-2013, 08:19 AM

Just awesome...... I was tensed up the entire video!

Al Moreno

10-16-2013, 09:59 AM

They aren't scared. I guess ford puts more focus on drag racing than road corse. Chevy doesn't stand a chance on the strip. And a factory camaro hasn't been 200mph yet. I still believe the mustang is a much better car and will be even better when the next generation comes out.

42630

Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tv8I-gqc6sc

BTW, Al Oppenheiser said to Motor trend the Z/28 actually did a 7.31.9 on dry but they couldn't post that because they didn't film it.

That put's the Z/28 a totally different league, Faster than Koenigsegg CCX, Porsche 911 GT3 RS 997MkII, Ferrari 458 Italia, etc

Here is a link to all the track times. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times

My hats off the GM and the boys.Kinda neat to know that Mark had a part in that :cheers:

Sieg

10-16-2013, 10:41 AM

I asked Oppenheiser one more thing about competition around the Z/28. His team wants it to go against the GT-R, sure. But could the Z/28 also take some shine away from the Corvette? Oppenheiser says the Corvette engineers and Camaro engineers are always in competition. And they're ready to re-tune the Z/28 if the 'Vette team comes with something stronger. So keep watching.

:guns:

Track Junky

10-16-2013, 06:33 PM

That's some great insight. After hearing that I'm wondering what 2015 will bring.

glassman

10-16-2013, 07:22 PM

Man i enjoyed watching that drive. A few of those corners he looked too late, but thats the "arm chair quaterback" talking. I was tensed up almost that entire time.

I would like to own this car. Period.

fleetus macmullitz

10-16-2013, 07:28 PM

Adam Dean

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWvn0lyCUAA9t9X.jpg

smoked the 'Ring...

glassman

10-16-2013, 07:43 PM

^:lol: :lol: :lol:

mustangracer11

10-16-2013, 08:56 PM

The z28 is definitely better than the boss. The boss has a solid axle,less HP, doesn't have carbon brakes or the shock technology that gm does. It also cost almost 20k less than the z28. I think gm has finally produced a good camaro and zl1 owners are probably going to be disappointed I know I would be. It's about time chevy has a camaro better than the mustang.
But my thoughts are. Cobra jet > copo , 5.0 gt> SS , gt500> ZL1 , Boss + 20k > Z28.

Sieg

10-16-2013, 09:11 PM

That's some great insight. After hearing that I'm wondering what 2015 will bring.

The Z/28’s lap is four seconds faster than the Camaro ZL1, and beats published times for the Porsche 911 Carrera S and the Lamborghini Murcielago LP640. The Z/28’slap was completed on less-than-ideal conditions, with damp pavement and pouring rain near the end of the run.

"One of the challenges of testing at the 'Ring is that the track is so long that conditions can change radically in a single lap," said Al Oppenheiser, Camaro chief engineer. "Adam Dean, the development driver for Z/28, did a heroic job driving in deteriorating conditions. Based on telemetry data from our test sessions, we know the Z/28 can be as much as six seconds faster on a dry track."
Game on! :thumbsup:

hifi875

10-17-2013, 07:19 AM

MarkM66

10-17-2013, 07:20 AM

FWIW, Super Chevy posted on their FB page; the new Z28 is going to cost over $100k.

ccracin

10-17-2013, 11:46 AM

FWIW, Super Chevy posted on their FB page; the new Z28 is going to cost over $100k.

Boooooooo!

hifi875

10-17-2013, 11:58 AM

that's nuts...... Heck a new z07 wont be much more than that

syborg tt

10-17-2013, 12:08 PM

FWIW, Super Chevy posted on their FB page; the new Z28 is going to cost over $100k.

the good news is it has 2 more seat then the vette.

Still it's a factory race car and that is going to cost more then a normal version of the car. What did the Boss 302 track car cost from memory they were 125 or 150k

mfain

10-17-2013, 12:37 PM

FWIW, Super Chevy posted on their FB page; the new Z28 is going to cost over $100k.

My dealer is telling me closer to $80K, plus a BIG dealer pack on top of that. The carbon brakes didn't help the price, but I have them on my Z06/Z07 and, IMHO, they are worth the price, especially on a car as heavy as the Camaro. A lot of LS7s have "bit the dust" on the track, mostly due to valve guide and sodium filled exhaust valve problems -- hope they have that solved. I would still pay sticker, but dealer packs P... me off!

Pappy

dontlifttoshift

10-17-2013, 02:23 PM

Let me fix that for you:lol:

the good news is it has a place behind the front seats where you can put a toy poodle or a helmet that the vette doesn't have

80K is still a lot of money for a "street" car with no air conditioning or radio
Comparing it to a Boss302S isn't really fair either, as that is a full prepped, ready to rock racecar..... for the same money. http://www.rehagenracingproducts.com/Ford-Racing-Mustang-BOSS-302S-M-FR500-B302S.htm

The Z28 should have been an el strippo with the LS7 and that's it. 40K pricetag FTW!:thumbsup:

That said......I want one.

Stielow

10-17-2013, 04:23 PM

Adam Dean was driving that car for the record run attempts. The weather was spotty the two weeks we were there. I logged about 6 hours of stick time at the Nurburgring on this trip. It is a scary fast track with a great car. This is the part of my job that makes all the GM corporate BS worth it.

The car is nutty fast. The corner speed at high speeds is a bit intimidating to start off with. The brakes are also crazy good. I have been to the Nurburgring over 10 times with a lot of programs but this was the best trip so far. Once you get used to the speed and grip the car is very comfortable at speed. The car does make down force so when it gets airborne you can feel it really float.

We test during the Industry Pool days (IP). The IP days are for just the OE manufacturers with certified drivers. So the only time you can video is during rented track time. So we ran faster times in the dry with traffic. I had a chance to square up with a few GT3 and it was a hoot. The Porsche guys also had their 918 there this trip. That is in another league of car.

If anyone is going to SEMA Lat-G party I can bore you with a few stories. I will not have a new old car at SEMA but the Z/28 will be. My year has been spent working on the Z/28 project, moving and getting married.

I'll have a new car next year. Charley is going to let me use Mayhem at OUSCI this year. :thankyou:

Mark

ccracin

10-17-2013, 05:11 PM

Adam Dean was driving that car for the record run attempts. The weather was spotty the two weeks we were there. I logged about 6 hours of stick time at the Nurburgring on this trip. It is a scary fast track with a great car. This is the part of my job that makes all the GM corporate BS worth it.

The car is nutty fast. The corner speed at high speeds is a bit intimidating to start off with. The brakes are also crazy good. I have been to the Nurburgring over 10 time with a lot of programs but this was the best trip so far. Once you get used to the speed and grip the car is very comfortable at speed. The car does make down force so when it gets airborne you can feel it really float.

We test during the Industry Pool days (IP). The IP days are for just the OE manufacturers with certified drivers. So the only time you can video is during rented track time. So we ran faster times in the dry with traffic. I had a chance to square up with a few GT3 and it was a hoot. The Porsche guys also had their 918 there this trip. That is in another league of car.

If anyone is going to SEMA Lat-G party I can bore you with a few stories. I will not have a new old car at SEMA but the Z/28 will be. My year has been spent working on the Z/28 project, moving and getting married.

I'll have a new car next year. Charley is going to let me use Mayhem at OUSCI this year. :thankyou:

Mark

That's awesome Mark. Wish I could be at SEMA to hear the stories. I'm salty about the rumored prices simply because of jealousy! Lol I want one, but these cool cars are becoming something everyday family guys simply can't afford. It has to be cool to be part of programs like this. Great job on a wicked car!

glassman

10-17-2013, 07:08 PM

How far off from an SS is it?
Light years?

I would imagine, steering, power, brakes, handling.....probably an entirely different car?

But i must say, during the unveiling a couple of months ago, i got goosy's. Hmmm, maybe i'm just a Camaro guy....who loves many of otherr makes and models....

mustangracer11

10-17-2013, 07:17 PM

Theres is more to a car than just 1320 timeslips....

I agree with you, I had drag suspension on my 93 cobra at one point and I enjoyed the car so much more when I took it all off and made it where it would handle great for what it was. The new camaro has just been a disappointment to me. There is nothing great about the SS it's just a big overweight car with a good engine. The ZL1 didn't live up to what GM made it out to be. The Z28 is awesome but it's nothing I could ever buy but neither is a gt500. The majority of the Z28's will probably be bought by collectors and will never be used for what they was built for.

Sieg

10-17-2013, 07:24 PM

If anyone is going to SEMA Lat-G party I can bore you with a few stories. I will not have a new old car at SEMA but the Z/28 will be. My year has been spent working on the Z/28 project, moving and getting married.

I'll have a new car next year. Charley is going to let me use Mayhem at OUSCI this year. :thankyou:

Mark

Sounds like 2013 has treated you very well, congrats on all of your accomplishments. :thumbsup:

GM hasn't produced a car that has captured my attention like this Z/28 since the birth of the Z06. I'm very much looking forward to being bored with your stories.

I recently drove a 1LE, I was very impressed but are they even comparable?

Thanks to Charlie as well as this is my first SEMA/OUSCI trip and I get to see you put Mayhem through it's paces. :excited:

hifi875

10-17-2013, 07:38 PM

If they are $80g or more that's just insane

jlwdvm

10-18-2013, 10:55 AM

"I asked Oppenheiser one more thing about competition around the Z/28. His team wants it to go against the GT-R, sure." Too bad the price might be approaching the GT-R! I have a 2013 Boss 302 that sees track time and I would be willing to bet if I threw $40-50K at it...it would be as fast as a new Z-28! That being said, I was ready to buy a z-28 if the pricing was closer to a ZL1 to park next to my Boss;)

Stielow

10-19-2013, 06:50 AM

Check out the lead we had to the ZL-1 before the rain came.

BTW I wasn't asked to make it cheap... I was asked to make it FAST!

Price will be announced after the 1st of the year.

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Sieg

10-19-2013, 07:12 AM

Mark - If you would have had a dry warm track what do you think the lap times could have been?

GregWeld

10-19-2013, 08:09 AM

BTW I wasn't asked to make it cheap... I was asked to make it FAST!

The PERFECT response.

Stuart Adams

10-19-2013, 08:47 AM

If they are $80g or more that's just insane

There are tons of cars with 3X that in them that have no chance against the Z.

If Mark's goal is fast, as we all have seen in the past, it will be fast.

This thread is about the speed at the ring and a member here that has butts in seats doing it. Cool stuff.

fleetus macmullitz

10-19-2013, 09:01 AM

There are tons of cars with 3X that in them that have no chance against the Z.

If Mark's goal is fast, as we all have seen in the past, it will be fast.

This thread is about the speed at the ring and a member here that has butts in seats doing it. Cool stuff.

Well said Stuart. :thumbsup:

hifi875

10-19-2013, 06:54 PM

By insane I wasn't questioning the price as it relates to performance but that's a lot more than a zl1. But I know that it's,a lot more car than a zl1 track wise too. Just not very affordable. But I guess it not positioned like that now. I love the car

MikeCamaro

10-21-2013, 02:23 PM

So we ran faster times in the dry with traffic. I had a chance to square up with a few GT3 and it was a hoot.
Mark

Hi Mark,
So does this means that GT3’s are now to be consider on track traffic aboard a Z/28?
:)
Mike

TheJDMan

10-26-2013, 03:49 PM

I'm wondering if Chevrolet has any plans to run the new Z/28 at Pikes Peak.