Jagette

[mfain]

My brother, a long time drag racer, decided to try his hand at road racing. This is his project. Jag 120 with C-6 suspension and a 6-liter LS. It includes a Woodward rack, a late Camaro third member, and Drive Shaft Shop axles/CV joints. Weight looks to be less than 2700 lbs -- should be a rocket.

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[camcojb]

What a cool project! :thumbsup:

[Payton King]

Looking forward to more pictures.

[Che70velle]

A. It's different
B. it's interesting
C. I like it
D. More pics please!

[214Chevy]

Wow!! This is gonna be one cool litle roadster. Keep us updated on the build.

[66fury]

thatsa nice !

[mfain]

For those that asked, a couple more pictures. First - interior w/TKO 600 fitted. 2nd - Woodward rack built for the car. Car will be street legal, so I guess it could be called "pseudo-pro-touring".
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[Flash68]

:eek:

:thumbsup:

[DFRESH]

Cheater.

[Sieg]

That will get the purists buzzing, not to mention the lappers. I like it!

[Matt@BOS]

Some cars have just the right amount of wrong to be cool. This car has clearly exceeded that amount of wrong, and for that reason it isn't cool... it is awesome.

Matt

[Evan Iroc-Z]

What an incredible build! I cannot wait to see the packaging of everything under the hood.

[mfain]

What an incredible build! I cannot wait to see the packaging of everything under the hood.

Here is a picture of the initial LS fitting. No issues with it waaaay back!

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Here is the way brother (Robert) found the car --- in the barn in the background for 32 years, 265 inch motor sitting between the framerails, and a picture of early disassembly that got him kicked out of the local Jaguar club. LOL
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[Fitz78ta]

boy that will get the purists talking! :hairpullout:

I, like everyone else, LOVE IT! Probably won't ever see another one like it for sure.

[preston]

Did he build the frame or was it sourced somewhere ? Looks aftermarket as most home builders don't venture outside of the 2*3 tubing but either way it looks like a nice setup, but even on a 2700 lb car I recommend power steering (easy enough to convert that rack as long as you leave room).

[mfain]

Did he build the frame or was it sourced somewhere ? Looks aftermarket as most home builders don't venture outside of the 2*3 tubing but either way it looks like a nice setup, but even on a 2700 lb car I recommend power steering (easy enough to convert that rack as long as you leave room).

Believe it or not, the frame is actually the Jag frame, heavily modified by Robert. He built the front cross-member and the rear kick-ups and IRS mounting provisions. As for the power steering, Robert informs me that I lied. The weight, with everything stacked on the car on scales, is closer to 2100#. Tony Woodward felt that would be light enough for manual steering.

Pappy

[waynieZ]

What an incredible build! I cannot wait to see the packaging of everything under the hood.

Me Too! Awesome project!

[Evan Iroc-Z]

Here is a picture of the initial LS fitting. No issues with it waaaay back!

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Does he know what accessories he is going to be running. The slope on the front of the hood makes me think it is going to have to be almost 100% custom.

I also love the fact he was kicked out of the Jaguar club. That is hilarious.

[bonecrrusher]

The boffin's will be going crazy over this one.

[mfain]

Does he know what accessories he is going to be running. The slope on the front of the hood makes me think it is going to have to be almost 100% custom.

I also love the fact he was kicked out of the Jaguar club. That is hilarious.

Custom brackets for an alternator, and perhaps a dry sump pump down the road. A little off subject, but he is pretty good at stuffing lots of Chevy muscle in tight spaces.

Like a 434 inch small block, injected on alcohol in an Anglia

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Or a small block with air and power windows and upgraded suspension in a Citreon

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Okay, not so small, but an 8.1 liter big block with vintage air, leather air ride seats, upgraded front independant suspenion -- in an old Ford cabover - pro-touring tow truck?

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[waynieZ]

Very nice stuff.

[Kcrain]

Any new updates on this it's a cool project
Keith

[mfain]

Any new updates on this it's a cool project
Keith

Here are a few update photos:

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[Vince@Meanstreets]

Love it Papp

[DETON8R]

That is just plane AWESOME!!
2,100 lbs, that thing is going to be a rocket!!

How wide are the tires in the back?
And the spacing between the rear hubs?
Is the late model Camaro IRS narrowed? If so it looks like you will need shortened half-shafts.

I'm asking because my next project is a Volvo P1800S.
I love to see what others are doing for ideas.

Keep the photos coming.

[FETorino]

:wow: This is cool. Keep the updates coming.

:cheers:

[mfain]

That is just plane AWESOME!!
2,100 lbs, that thing is going to be a rocket!!

How wide are the tires in the back?
And the spacing between the rear hubs?
Is the late model Camaro IRS narrowed? If so it looks like you will need shortened half-shafts.

I'm asking because my next project is a Volvo P1800S.
I love to see what others are doing for ideas.

Keep the photos coming.

The third member is late Camaro (unmodified), but the suspension is all C6 Corvette with the cradle narrowed 13.5 inches. The rear spacing is 48 inches hub-to-hub, and the rear tires are 315's (12.4 in. wide). The axle shafts with CV joints were custom built by The Driveshaft Shop to use the Corvette outer hubs and the Camaro stub axles.

Pappy

[GregWeld]

Killer project!!

[Rick D]

Sweet!!! Very cool.

[coolwelder62]

Wow!!!! This project is dripping with cool-ness!!!!! Love it.:thumbsup:

[Sieg]

This is going to be a great track car from a performance and conversation standpoint! :thumbsup:

[DETON8R]

The third member is late Camaro (unmodified), but the suspension is all C6 Corvette with the cradle narrowed 13.5 inches. The rear spacing is 48 inches hub-to-hub, and the rear tires are 315's (12.4 in. wide). The axle shafts with CV joints were custom built by The Driveshaft Shop to use the Corvette outer hubs and the Camaro stub axles.

Pappy

Thanks for that info Pappy, I thought that the a-arms didn't look like a Camaro. Great idea using the Vette IRS suspension and an inner third member from something else, as the Vette is an integrated transmission and 3rd member.

Did you consider using a quick change 3rd member? I've wondered how hard it would be to use this kind of set up instead of an OEM third member.

http://www.1speedway.com/irs_quickchange.htm
Like one of these?

[Bowtieracing]

I also love the fact he was kicked out of the Jaguar club. That is hilarious.


Me too, could we get this thread on their club site somehow:lol:

[DETON8R]

Me too, could we get this thread on their club site somehow:lol:

I don't think that you need to try very hard.

Ping Robert who is building the Volvo 1800 and the Amazon. He has his two builds posted on Volvo forums, even some in Europe, where his efforts are trashed.

Just sit back and watch, this build will make it to Jaguar forums and be trashed.

[mfain]

A couple of progress photos. The 200 mph GPS speedometer is pretty cool -- lots of functions like 0-60 timing and recall.

Pappy

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[WSSix]

Looking good, Pappy!

[DBasher]

Man that's going to be a fun car! Nice work.

Any more pictures/info on the Citroen? I've always wondered about those odd lil sedans, with a bit of work they could look really good.

:thumbsup:
Dan

[mfain]

Man that's going to be a fun car! Nice work.

Any more pictures/info on the Citreon? I've always wondered about those odd lil sedans, with a bit of work they could look really good.

:thumbsup:
Dan

That is also my brother's (Robert). He is putting a stage 3 motor out of a Cobalt SS (supercharged) with an automatic, power windows, and air. Should be pretty cool. We found another Citreon in a wrecking yard in the Mohave desert with a perfect grill and hood -- the only thing the other Citreon was missing. I think I've told this story before, but we found the Citreon when we saw it in a B-grade (or worse) car movie (Duece of Spades) and we tracked it down on Google earth. Here's a couple of pictures of both cars.

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[DBasher]

Odd lookin cars for sure, it'll be interesting to see what he does with it.

On the Jag, is the steering wheel/column stock? I like the look of the wheel and bell it's connected to, besides the quick release, is it factory Jag?

Dan

[mfain]

Odd lookin cars for sure, it'll be interesting to see what he does with it.

On the Jag, is the steering wheel/column stock? I like the look of the wheel and bell it's connected to, besides the quick release, is it factory Jag?

Dan

Yep. Factory steering wheel and column down to where it is cut for the u-joint.

[groovyjay]

Love the Jag, the Citroen's is definately in the dare-to-be-different category. :trophy-1302:

[FLYNAVY53]

well played sir!!

[kainedogg]

Beautiful car all the way.

[waynieZ]

Awesome project Pappy. Its looking great, nice work. Your brother Robert's project is going to be sweet too. Will he do a build thread?

[mfain]

Awesome project Pappy. Its looking great, nice work. Your brother Robert's project is going to be sweet too. Will he do a build thread?

Thanks. The Jag is also Robert's, and he is doing the work -- I just posted the updates for him. I'll get him to do updates on the Citroen -- it should be pretty cool. The 418 inch LS motor for the Jag should be done soon. I'm pretty tied up with my 56 Corvette road race car, especially since Ron Sutton "convinced" me to cut it all up again to make it a true high travel suspension car. You wouldn't believe how much room it takes to turn 12 1/2 inch tires with 5+ inches of suspension travel -- out came the chain saw!

Pappy

[mfain]

Update: The project is still alive - it just took a while to get it out of body shop jail.

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[waynieZ]

Update: The project is still alive - it just took a while to get it out of body shop jail.

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Pappy

That's the most common theme on most everyone's build! The motor looks sweet with the 8 stack induction.

[BMR Sales]

This is going to be Too Nice to take on a Track!

[WSSix]

Engine looks great!

[FLYNAVY53]

Im very interested to see what kind of power you make, and how the tuning goes with that injection set up on the LS...looks killer!

[grendel]

Nice build. I am curious about the 5th gen Camaro rear with the Corvette A-arms.

[mfain]

Slowly but surely. Paint by Blue Twisted Steel Auto Restorations and Creations in Abilene, TX. Getting close now!

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[mfain]

Here's Robert's "What was I thinking?" photo.

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[GregWeld]

That's the right color for that car!! EEEEHHHHAAAAAAAAA



Love the "before" pic. We've all been there and said later WTF did I get myself in to.... LOL OMG SMH

[WSSix]

Nice color choice!

[mfain]

Let the color sanding begin. The LS motor should look great surrounded by a sea of green.

Pappy

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[mfain]

Another update: Old Roy, the tow vehicle for the Jag is also about finished. 8.1L Chevy injected big block, modern suspension, air ride, vintage air, leather interior -- kind of a pro-touring cab-over?

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[GregWeld]

Make sure to have ALL the linkages disconnected when adjusting the 8 stack using the Manometer to set the flow up. That includes the CROSS link adjuster.

If you need help just let me know. I've done a zillion of 'em. It super simple if you have experience and know what you're doing.

[waynieZ]

I love the color!

[Flash68]

Another update: Old Roy, the tow vehicle for the Jag is also about finished. 8.1L Chevy injected big block, modern suspension, air ride, vintage air, leather interior -- kind of a pro-touring cab-over?

Pappy



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Now that is freakin cool!

[FLYNAVY53]

very interested in seeing how the stack injection on the LS works out for you...what are you running for a computer?

[DKz Garage]

This car is just awesome! It's going to be a blast to drive I'm sure!!

[mfain]

very interested in seeing how the stack injection on the LS works out for you...what are you running for a computer?

The computer is a FAST EZ EFI. it all came in the package from Inglese. By the way, Greg (Weld), when setting up the airflow is there a difference between the old mechanical set-up and EFI on a computer?

Pappy

[GregWeld]

The computer is a FAST EZ EFI. it all came in the package from Inglese. By the way, Greg (Weld), when setting up the airflow is there a difference between the old mechanical set-up and EFI on a computer?

Pappy



Well --- the key is to have all the air valves sync'd up - using the manometer. But of course - you have to get the motor running.... via the handheld programmer of the EZ EFI.... which is pretty dang obvious when doing the set up windows... You just answer the questions - Engine cubes - injector size - Fuel pressure etc... it walks you thru the steps. Then --- when you fire up for the first time -- and the engine comes up to temp (over 140*) the computer will start to alter the fuel tables. Once you have a decent idle --- you'll want to go and measure each air valves flow with the manometer and adjust accordingly.

The thing that people do with an eight stack is to look at all the adjustment "screws" and start to fiddle with them setting idle RPMS or whatever.... and not realize that the entire system (all 8) are then being messed with!

If you don't disconnect the cross linkage - whatever you adjust on one side is messing with the other side.

The beauty of the Inglese set up is that each butterfly in each air valve is easy to adjust on the butterfly linkage (very small set screw and collar on the shaft) - if the pair is out of sync (two valves per pair).

You've got to get all of them flowing within 1 of each other.... then when you hook up the cross linkage -- double check them all and if anything - it's usually one side is now higher or lower than the other side. This can then be adjusted by turning the cross link shaft whichever way it needs to go....

Now you're ready to go for a drive -- and the key there is to try to hold a "load" /"RPM" and let the computer settle on the A:F at that spot - then increase the load/rpm to another place and let it settle in there -- and so on. It takes the computer a minute to settle in using the O2 sensor. Once you get some 'gross' adjustments in - it just gets smoother and smoother... as you drive. It's a pretty slick little setup. But you have to have the MECHANICAL part sorted out - and then the computer can do it's thing.

[mfain]

Thanks for the info Greg. The Inglese kit did come with a manometer. We may give you a call when Robert gets it fired up -- still got a little wiring and stuff to do.

Pappy

[GregWeld]

Thanks for the info Greg. The Inglese kit did come with a manometer. We may give you a call when Robert gets it fired up -- still got a little wiring and stuff to do.

Pappy



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I'd be happy to help. These systems are awesome - look bad ass - and run really well when they're right. One set and forget.

[Justin@EntropyRad]

Nice metal work!

[mfain]

Out of the body shop - time for the final LS install and some plumbing.

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[DBasher]

Oh now that's sexy! I imagine he's got a nice laid back windshield, a sensible drivers cap, maybe even a silk necker chief....looks great!

[GregWeld]

Pappy....


#1 - that's so kool!


#2 - Did you try to call me?? Someone did right after I posted my number - but when I tried to call back it wouldn't go thru. I was on the road... Gee... as I am now come to think of it. LOL

[Justin@EntropyRad]

Really dig the way the wheels look with the color of the body!

[mfain]

Oh now that's sexy! I imagine he's got a nice laid back windshield, a sensible drivers cap, maybe even a silk necker chief....looks great!

Thanks for the compliments. Robert does have custom posts for a laid back windshield, but I doubt we can talk him into the silk scarf.

[mfain]

Pappy....


#1 - that's so kool!


#2 - Did you try to call me?? Someone did right after I posted my number - but when I tried to call back it wouldn't go thru. I was on the road... Gee... as I am now come to think of it. LOL

Haven't try to call yet, but recorded your number and will give you a yell soon.

Pappy

[mfain]

Well the vintage look certainly belies what is underneath!

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[WSSix]

Great touch! Is it functional or are you hiding a true hood latch under the hood?

[mfain]

Great touch! Is it functional or are you hiding a true hood latch under the hood?

Nope - totally functional.

Pappy

[waynieZ]

Sweet! I can't say it enough I love this build!

[grendel]

Totally pimp.

[Justin@EntropyRad]

Makes me happy to see that done properly, as opposed to the local kids doing belts/clasps on their civics

[Sieg]

What a sleeper!

Great color!

This car is probably going to confuse a few with the exhaust note, turn a lot of heads, and wound a few purists. :thumbsup:

[mfain]

Motor back in.

Pappy

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[grendel]

That is fawesome.

[GregWeld]

This is the best project in a long time!

[mfain]

This is the best project in a long time!

Robert and I both thank you. How are you doing with the fires?

Pappy

[GregWeld]

Robert and I both thank you. How are you doing with the fires?

Pappy



Smoke here is a little better this evening... but it's been VERY smokey all week. We just got back from Rafting and Kayaking The Middle Fork of the Salmon River... and went down the river with burning logs that had slid down the steep hill sides and right into the river... With 3000' canyon walls - the smoke was trapped in this pristine area - and it was pretty bad.

My buddy and his wife took their kid off to college - and on their return flight from Denver - the pilot aborted the landing here (Sun Valley, Idaho) because he couldn't see the runway.... they turned around and went back to Denver. OUCH.

Have to say - Oregon and Washington have it just as bad, if not worse.

[Matt@BOS]

This is the best project in a long time!

Yes. Yes it is.

[SlowProgress]

Very cool project!

[FLYNAVY53]

Out of the body shop - time for the final LS install and some plumbing.

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What size are the wheels and tires? I feel like you're building the Jag equivalent of the '69 Vette Im going to start working on this winter! British racing green (actually fathom green) and I have a stock 2003 LS6 that Im seriously considering the stack injection. Also planning on running those ET wheels but haven't settled on a size/tire combo yet. Great work so far....definitely one of my favorite builds in a while!!

[mfain]

What size are the wheels and tires? I feel like you're building the Jag equivalent of the '69 Vette Im going to start working on this winter! British racing green (actually fathom green) and I have a stock 2003 LS6 that Im seriously considering the stack injection. Also planning on running those ET wheels but haven't settled on a size/tire combo yet. Great work so far....definitely one of my favorite builds in a while!!

275 on 17X9 up front, 315 on 17X11 in the rear.

Pappy

[Justin@EntropyRad]

Those ITB's make me feel all tingly inside!

[mfain]

After an interruption (or two) for other projects, Robert is finally finishing the Jag. Ron Davis radiator installed and wiring going in.

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[Kcrain]

Any updates on the finished car?

[mfain]

Any updates on the finished car?

Car is pretty much done, except for a reliable ECU. After 2 FAST controller failures and 3 harnesses, Robert is giving up on that product and is having another ECU/harness system built. Should be done soon and I will post some photos of it on the road. It looks great!

Pappy

[Kcrain]

Thanks for the reply. Loved the car.:thankyou:

[waynieZ]

Sweet pappy, I'll be watching for it.

[mfain]

Long time since I posted photos - brother Robert's car is complete and looks/drives great!

From rags......

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To riches.....w/600hp LS, Ingelese 8-stack injection converted to EFI, and C6 suspension

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Happy New Year to all!

Pappy

[KiwiStarChief]

That looks stunning, and such a beautiful colour.

[WSSix]

Congrats! The car looks amazing. Do you have any finished under hood pictures you could share, Pappy?

[mfain]

Congrats! The car looks amazing. Do you have any finished under hood pictures you could share, Pappy?

Here you go Trey.

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[WSSix]

Very nice! Thanks, Pappy.

[ScotI]

Wow!

[JD67SS]

Unbelievably cool 😎

[mfain]

A little update - interior done.

Pappy

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[Dave Pratt]

bloody hell!! Now that's beyond kool...great work

[SSLance]

Looks great!

[WSSix]

Fantastic, Pappy!

[waynieZ]

Amazing work. It came out sweet.

[payne]

Amazing build!

You should apply to show it at the Quail in 2021 if you can get out to Pebble Beach for a week, and park it next to the Koenigseggs, Bugattis, McLaren F1s, etc.

They love builds like yours :)


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[mfain]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not sure this guy would approve. :lol: But I wouldn't trade with him.

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[payne]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not sure this guy would approve. :lol: But I wouldn't trade with him.

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Most of Car Week in Pebble is full of stodgy old white guys that turn up their noses at anything modded.

But the Quail is the best event of the week where anything fun, fast, original, or esoteric is welcome - homebrewed or not.

(Other than the historic races at Laguna Seca, of course.)

[Boosted Falcon]

Such a great build, well done.