Ls style brakes on a gen 1 camaro

[69greyghost]

Hey guys, I have the brembo 2010 camaro brakes but they apear to be more trouble than they are worth at the time. I also have a set of ls brakes front and rear that it seems would be easier to deal with at the time. The brembo brakes
are really cool but the combination of nobody having much info on the conversion and me knowing it will make my rim choice harder, it got me thinking to at least look into the ls brakes just until the brembo conversion becomes more of a simple option. So, has anyone used the ls conversion on a gen 1 f body? If so what all did the conversion take and how do you like it? I know theres a bracket thats like 50 or 60 bucks or so but what all else is needed. Currently my car has disc in the front and drum in the rear stock. And sorry about the run-on sentence, thanks in advance guys for all the help again.

[Jmartorana]

Hey guys, I have the brembo 2010 camaro brakes but they apear to be more trouble than they are worth at the time. I also have a set of ls brakes front and rear that it seems would be easier to deal with at the time. The brembo brakes
are really cool but the combination of nobody having much info on the conversion and me knowing it will make my rim choice harder, it got me thinking to at least look into the ls brakes just until the brembo conversion becomes more of a simple option. So, has anyone used the ls conversion on a gen 1 f body? If so what all did the conversion take and how do you like it? I know theres a bracket thats like 50 or 60 bucks or so but what all else is needed. Currently my car has disc in the front and drum in the rear stock. And sorry about the run-on sentence, thanks in advance guys for all the help again.

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[Spiffav8]

Everything you need is right here. Give them a call.

http://www.kore3.com/

[69greyghost]

Everything you need is right here. Give them a call.

http://www.kore3.com/



Curtis I talked to tobin recently and he told me they primarily do corvette conversions. They hardly do anything for gen 1 camaros. Also they are rather pricey, theyre brackets cost about three times what everyone else is charging. I understand when you pioneer something but they are still rather pricey. Jmart makes some good looking stuff I think I will order from him. I just have to get ls rear brake backs. Then with the brackets I will have what I need for a little over 100 bucks. Tobin want 300 for just the front brackets, hes a nice guy just a little to rich for my blood.

[Apogee]

Curtis I talked to tobin recently and he told me they primarily do corvette conversions. They hardly do anything for gen 1 camaros. Also they are rather pricey, theyre brackets cost about three times what everyone else is charging. I understand when you pioneer something but they are still rather pricey. Jmart makes some good looking stuff I think I will order from him. I just have to get ls rear brake backs. Then with the brackets I will have what I need for a little over 100 bucks. Tobin want 300 for just the front brackets, hes a nice guy just a little to rich for my blood.

Wow...that's not quite what I remember discussing, so let me see if I can clarify a few things for those who might be interested. KORE3 primarily offers C5/C6 Corvette-based brake conversions for muscle car applications, not LS1 F-body brake conversions, however we do offer plenty of A/F/X-body kits as those are the largest part of our business.

That said, when we spoke before, we had a few sets of limited production LS1 F-body brackets for the GM short-spindle (GMSS) applications for $150, not $300. As we discussed, these aren't full production parts (yet) and may never be, hence the price. Sorry for any confusion and good luck with your project.

Tobin
KORE3

[Ron Sutton]

Thanks for clarifying things Tobin.

[69greyghost]

Wow...that's not quite what I remember discussing, so let me see if I can clarify a few things for those who might be interested. KORE3 primarily offers C5/C6 Corvette-based brake conversions for muscle car applications, not LS1 F-body brake conversions, however we do offer plenty of A/F/X-body kits as those are the largest part of our business.

That said, when we spoke before, we had a few sets of limited production LS1 F-body brackets for the GM short-spindle (GMSS) applications for $150, not $300. As we discussed, these aren't full production parts (yet) and may never be, hence the price. Sorry for any confusion and good luck with your project.

Tobin
KORE3




Tobin I apologize for the misquote but I just felt it was to expensive even at 150. I may look into the c5 stuff because that may be worth a bigger investment. I would have to price out the rotors and calipers to see what the costs are looking like. I wasnt trying to hurt ur business or anything, I hope you dont take it personal.

[hifi875]

I've got full ls brakes fr and rear on my 69. With a detroitnspeed brake booster master cylinder combo. Works great. Basically the exact same as corvette.

[69greyghost]

Yeah its not looking good for my brembos, they are looking like they need a new home.

[214Chevy]

Not counting your money or anything, but $150 is too expensive? This hobby is a luxury. And for the service of a well respected guy like Tobin, who I know anyone on here can and will be more than happy to vouch for, I'd say $150 is relatively a good price for a proven product that guaranteed to fit and perform. This Jmart guy or company, don't know him and not knocking him, but to try and save $50 because you said you could get it from him for $100, is a hell of a chance to take. Just saying.....I've been down that road a time or two trying to save a penny and it backfires on me. I mean, you already have the Brembo brakes...make them work. Tobin has already said he has what you need. Good luck though with everything.

[69greyghost]

Not counting your money or anything, but $150 is too expensive? This hobby is a luxury. And for the service of a well respected guy like Tobin, who I know anyone on here can and will be more than happy to vouch for, I'd say $150 is relatively a good price for a proven product that guaranteed to fit and perform. This Jmart guy or company, don't know him and not knocking him, but to try and say $50 because you said you could get it from him for $100, is a hell of a chance to take. Just saying.....I've been down that road a time or two trying to save a penny and it backfires on me. I mean, you already have the Brembo brakes...make them work. Tobin has already said he has what you need. Good luck though with everything.



I undertsand what your saying about tobin vs a non proven commodity however its not like these are complex parts. If it were something that was a big risk I would think you were spot on. I would love to make the brembos work but it seems like it may be a goose chase and that the full conversion would be costly. Even if I do decide to do the brembos the rear conversion hasnt been worked out yet, I wouldnt be able to do it and have an e brake. I would have to use the ls brakes in the rear anyway in the interim. Trust me I want brembos to work but that plus the fact that I have use a 3 piece pricy wheel it just seems like I would be sinking an extra 2-3k into this conversion because the calipers on the brembos create fitment issues. If I use the ls brakes I can just use a wheel that looks good. It just feels like I can always get an expensive wheel later rather than splurge on that now. If you have some suggestions on wheels that will fit the brembos and cost under 2500 I am listening for sure. I am always open to suggestions that make sense. I would appreciate more opinions, I am not sure how much braking power I would gain with the brembos over the ls brakes either. Let me know what u guys think.

[camsdad]

I did the LS disc brake conversion on my 69 Camaro and am quite satisfied with the results. Of course I have still yet to see how they perform but then, I know the will with no question.
Was not difficult to convert but then again I did add a couple of extra twists.
CPP Hubs, Hydratech brake boost system with inline cooler, custom rear emergency brake brackets, ext....

[69greyghost]

I did the LS disc brake conversion on my 69 Camaro and am quite satisfied with the results. Of course I have still yet to see how they perform but then, I know the will with no question.
Was not difficult to convert but then again I did add a couple of extra twists.
CPP Hubs, Hydratech brake boost system with inline cooler, custom rear emergency brake brackets, ext....


Do you think the extras to the system were a must or would just the plain ls set up be enough?

[camsdad]

Do you think the extras to the system were a must or would just the plain ls set up be enough?

IMO The thing is what and how you plan to use & abuse your ride.
Is anything in this hobby ever enough ???

With Hydratech boost you don't have to worry about not having enough vacuum your your brakes associated with too much cam ext....
Stock drum hubs (outer and inner) will have to be turned down a little bit to fit the rotors, then you will or should change the studs. Rear axles will have to be pulled to remove the brake drum and to mount the rear disc backing plate. You may need a 1/8" shim if I recall correctly.

I could go on and on but here is a link which will be most helpful to you.
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=161383


Kurt

[WSSix]

As Kurt mentioned, how you plan to use your ride matters a lot. The LS1 Fbody brakes I'm sure will be an improvement over factory 1st gen. I will say this though, there is a reason people with 4th gens that did any sort of competing that required good brakes would switch to C5 brakes. Brakes are not something I would cheap out on. I'd do it right the first time and be done with it. That's why even on a tight budget, I spent the money on a Kore3 C5/6 hybrid front setup and got the billet hubs for my car.

Good luck!

[hifi875]

I don't think there is a huge difference between c5 and ls1 brakes. Unless you are trying to wring every last inch out of your car in a autocross scenario. The c5s look better of course. Tobin could give a better opinion on this than me but mine are more than adequate

[69greyghost]

I don't think there is a huge difference between c5 and ls1 brakes. Unless you are trying to wring every last inch out of your car in a autocross scenario. The c5s look better of course. Tobin could give a better opinion on this than me but mine are more than adequate




How many pistons are the c5 brakes? They look almost identical to ls brakes.

[WSSix]

The C5 caliper bodies are much stronger than Fbody calipers. C5s are also 13inch not 12.1 like Fbody. Even just simple Solo2 Autox would wear out and distort the Fbody calipers. Like I said, the Fbody stuff will be better than 1st gen but the C5 components are even better. The cost difference to mount C5 front calipers versus Fbody is negligible. For the rear, sure Fbody is cheaper with the integrated parking brake. You could also go with C4 Corvette or LT1 Fbody for the same reason. Those options will work just fine for the rear.

In short, do it twice and spend more money by going with Fbody calipers now only to change them out at a later date. Or do it once and save money by going C5/6 on the front now. There are a lot of 17inch rims that will clear C5 components. You won't have to spend a lot of money on rims to make things fit. My rims cost me $600. I've got another $200 in adapters and ARP studs. My rims are 18inch too.

[hifi875]

Fronts are 12.8 rear are the exact same as c5

[69greyghost]

The C5 caliper bodies are much stronger than Fbody calipers. C5s are also 13inch not 12.1 like Fbody. Even just simple Solo2 Autox would wear out and distort the Fbody calipers. Like I said, the Fbody stuff will be better than 1st gen but the C5 components are even better. The cost difference to mount C5 front calipers versus Fbody is negligible. For the rear, sure Fbody is cheaper with the integrated parking brake. You could also go with C4 Corvette or LT1 Fbody for the same reason. Those options will work just fine for the rear.

In short, do it twice and spend more money by going with Fbody calipers now only to change them out at a later date. Or do it once and save money by going C5/6 on the front now. There are a lot of 17inch rims that will clear C5 components. You won't have to spend a lot of money on rims to make things fit. My rims cost me $600. I've got another $200 in adapters and ARP studs. My rims are 18inch too.


What rims do you have? Can you post a pic? Also I have the brembo 2010 camaro calipers. I may as well try and use those.

[WSSix]

BMW M-Parallels is what they are called. Follow the link in my signature for pictures. The last page should have them.

You're correct about the rears, Hifi. I was confusing LT1 4th gens which have the integrated parking brake with the caliper. That's a cheaper and easier way to do a rear conversion than using C5 rear brakes. LS1 fbody fronts are not 12.8 inches though.

[69greyghost]

BMW M-Parallels is what they are called. Follow the link in my signature for pictures. The last page should have them.

You're correct about the rears, Hifi. I was confusing LT1 4th gens which have the integrated parking brake with the caliper. That's a cheaper and easier way to do a rear conversion than using C5 rear brakes. LS1 fbody fronts are not 12.8 inches though.




Those wheels are badass!!! I am gonna get a set asap!!!!

[WSSix]

Thanks. Good luck finding them. It was late 90s early 2000s 5 and 7 series BMWs that had them. I believe only the 7 series had the staggered 8 front 9.5 rears like I have. I used Craisglist when back in Georgia to find them.

Just keep in mind that there are a lot of inexpensive OEM rims out there that will look good and clear 13inch front brakes like C5/6 brakes. You may have to get adapters to make it all work but it's not difficult typically and should help you stay well within your budget.

[69greyghost]

Thanks. Good luck finding them. It was late 90s early 2000s 5 and 7 series BMWs that had them. I believe only the 7 series had the staggered 8 front 9.5 rears like I have. I used Craisglist when back in Georgia to find them.

Just keep in mind that there are a lot of inexpensive OEM rims out there that will look good and clear 13inch front brakes like C5/6 brakes. You may have to get adapters to make it all work but it's not difficult typically and should help you stay well within your budget.



Thanks trey, one more thing, do you know if the brembo 2010 camaro rotors and calipers will fit behind those wheels?

[hifi875]

Those wheels are badass!!! I am gonna get a set asap!!!!

Yes. I was wrong about the fronts. My bad. I want some z51 rotors and calipers now.

[WSSix]

Thanks trey, one more thing, do you know if the brembo 2010 camaro rotors and calipers will fit behind those wheels?

I have no idea. I don't know what backspacing or offset is needed for a first gen. The backside of the rim center is not that close to the caliper though on my car. Keep in mind that I have 3/4" adapters on my car to push the rim out more too. You may want to PM Jerry, intocarss, as he has a set on his 68 camaro. I'm sure he can tell you more about what it takes to get the rims onto a first gen.

Keep in mind that modern OEM rims are typically high offset rims. That means you'll have to add adapters to bring the hub of the rim back to a lower offset, towards the middle of the rim, or, another way to think about it, push the rim out towards the body of the car. You'll need to take that into account when selecting a rim not only to know what adapters you'll need but also to include the adapter thickness in when trying to determine if the rim will clear the calipers.