69 fastback mustang weight Q:

[headcase]

Hello,

Just curious about what weight the 69 fastback can be brought down to. I know the cobras are 2500lbs or so, I've heard XV motorsports in full trim bring their 71 cuda to 2800lbs, can the mustang come around the 24-2600lbs mark without looking like a race car with plastic windows, no interior etc.

[GregWeld]

My '65 Fastback track car weighs 3015 pounds -- it's as gutted as a car can get -- and has Lexan front and rear windows and no side glass what-so-ever... no carpet - no interior - not even door panels (except aluminum covers)

[Matt@BOS]

My '65 Fastback track car weighs 3015 pounds -- it's as gutted as a car can get -- and has Lexan front and rear windows and no side glass what-so-ever... no carpet - no interior - not even door panels (except aluminum covers)

If you don't mind, can you refresh my memory as to what engine is in it? Even iron block 302s are pretty light engines (comparatively). I'm kind of surprised it weighs in at 3000ish and not closer to 2800lbs. I'm only surprised because now I'm worried my little Mustang with a full interior will weigh almost as much as half of Rob's Torino.

[GrabberGT]

If you don't mind, can you refresh my memory as to what engine is in it? Even iron block 302s are pretty light engines (comparatively). I'm kind of surprised it weighs in at 3000ish and not closer to 2800lbs. I'm only surprised because now I'm worried my little Mustang with a full interior will weigh almost as much as half of Rob's Torino.

So subtle I almost missed that. :lmao:

[GregWeld]

Matt....



Only for YOU --- would I leave my couch.... put on some shoes - go down to the shed -- find the packet for the Ford -- rummage thru all the paperwork - get the weight sheet - come back to the house - find an SD Card - scan the sheet - load the SD card into the laptop - convert the file - save it to the desktop - import it to iPhoto - export it to Photobucket..... post it on Lat G -- go back down to the shed - put away the paperwork... :hello:



Muttstang has a Ford R code block.... 355.6" cubic inches of Iron ---- with aluminum heads....




http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/65%20Mustang%20Track%20car/file.jpg

[GregWeld]

thats without you being in the car correct? if so why is the l/f so much heavier than the r/f???




'Cause it is....


I didn't do any of the set up - it's just the paperwork that came with the car.

[FETorino]

If you don't mind, can you refresh my memory as to what engine is in it? Even iron block 302s are pretty light engines (comparatively). I'm kind of surprised it weighs in at 3000ish and not closer to 2800lbs. I'm only surprised because now I'm worried my little Mustang with a full interior will weigh almost as much as half of Rob's Torino.

Matt you know your Mustang will never be half the Sportsroof my Torino is. That's why you can't stop thinking about her.:mock: :action-smiley-027:

Maybe lighter seats would help you. I have some Kirkeys I could offer on trade.

:cheers:

[Sieg]

thats without you being in the car correct? if so why is the l/f so much heavier than the r/f???

Stuff like: Steering column, dash cluster, pedals, master cylinders, booster, steering linkage, additional cage reinforcement, etc.?

[FETorino]

Stuff like: Steering column, dash cluster, pedals, master cylinders, booster, steering linkage, additional cage reinforcement, etc.?

GW doesn't that car still have a steering box and center link. The box alone ads some heft on the drivers side.

[GregWeld]

GW doesn't that car still have a steering box and center link. The box alone ads some heft on the drivers side.



I don't know.... I open the hood - check the oil - look for leaks - shut the hood.. Well... you get the point.

[Vegas69]

'Cause it is....


I didn't do any of the set up - it's just the paperwork that came with the car.

I'd bet you all you have vs. what I have that it's with driver and you should get your car back on the scales to get the cross weight right. :D

[GregWeld]

I'd bet you all you have vs. what I have that it's with driver and you should get your car back on the scales to get the cross weight right. :D



I'd bet you're right.....


It spins both ways so what's the problem?? :D

[Vegas69]

Here's my old car on the scales with dead nuts cross weight and me in the car. Notice the left side vs. right side weight. Very similar to your car. You just need some work on the cross weight. From my fuzzy memory, your RF spring needs a few turns UP. :relax:
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/029-1.jpg

[Matt@BOS]

I'd bet you're right.....


It spins both ways so what's the problem?? :D

You bring up a good point.

Thanks for the effort Greg. Sounded like a lot of work. You should count it towards your daily amount of exercise.

[headcase]

I still don't get it. A big dodge charger weighs 3400-3600lbs depending on options. Why on earth would a car half the size weigh almost the same. Alloy engine block and heads, coil over suspension, Carbon fiber interior, alloy wheels, billet breaks, alloy cased gearbox... Gotta weigh under 3000.

[DTM Racing]

We weighed our 65 slow back, full interior with a new 5.0 roller motor/T-5/Ice Cream Truck rear and it came in at 2888. I dunno what you did to make a race car so portly. Cage?

[bret]

My 69 with an iron block/aluminum head 351W based 460, magnesium Rankin trans, carbon clutch, rollcage and no back seat weighs 3100.

[Bryce]

Matt....



Only for YOU --- would I leave my couch.... put on some shoes - go down to the shed -- find the packet for the Ford -- rummage thru all the paperwork - get the weight sheet - come back to the house - find an SD Card - scan the sheet - load the SD card into the laptop - convert the file - save it to the desktop - import it to iPhoto - export it to Photobucket..... post it on Lat G -- go back down to the shed - put away the paperwork... :hello:



Muttstang has a Ford R code block.... 355.6" cubic inches of Iron ---- with aluminum heads....




http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/65%20Mustang%20Track%20car/file.jpg

and you go that all done in 35 minutes!

[Bryce]

my 65 falcon weighs 2700lbs, fiberglass front end, no rear seat. And some aluminum stuff.

The 65 drag car weighs 2600lbs, all steel, full interior. Everything bolted onto the car has had weight reduction in mind. But the wheels and tires alone are 75 lighter than the one on my falcon.

[clill]

Greg's POS might have been weighed before bumpers, glass etc were removed. I sent Jack a link so he can chime in. He built it and had it weighed. It has R-P steering.

[GregWeld]

I emailed McGee Motorsports and asked that they weigh it and give me corner weights.


The little POS handles way better than I can drive so no reason to change a thing -- but these questions always make me "want to know"...

Not sure how it would get any lighter.... there's nothing there but body - drivetrain - cage... Lexan "glass". No bumpers... no door guts... no carpet... Well - you get the picture.

[Jack Maurer]

A better brake package and some aero mods would help a lot. If I did the car today, I would go the complete DSE front and rear suspension and get more tire under the car.

[GregWeld]

A better brake package and some aero mods would help a lot. If I did the car today, I would go the complete DSE front and rear suspension and get more tire under the car.



Jack --- All that would do for me is have me spinning at higher speeds....



Hey! Was great to see you at GNRS - imagine my surprise when I stop to look at a sweet Camaro -- and it's yours! See ya at a track some time soon I hope. That is if Charlie will still let me join in the group. :D

[GregWeld]

A better brake package and some aero mods would help a lot. If I did the car today, I would go the complete DSE front and rear suspension and get more tire under the car.



By the way - the QUESTION was about WEIGHT.... I have a weight sheet showing 3015 pounds.... The originator of this thread was asking what we all thought he could get his '69 Mustang Fastback down to. I said my "track car" weighs 3015 according to the sheet that was in with all the other paperwork (minus the title).... HA!

[Flash68]

Jack --- All that would do for me is have me spinning at higher speeds....



Hey! Was great to see you at GNRS - imagine my surprise when I stop to look at a sweet Camaro -- and it's yours! See ya at a track some time soon I hope. That is if Charlie will still let me join in the group. :D

Greg, you or Jack get some pics up of Jack's Camaro!

[Ron in SoCal]

Greg, you or Jack get some pics up of Jack's Camaro!

Was that the silver 69? I might have a pic or two...

[GregWeld]

Ron --- It was kind of Ferrari Silverstone Grigio colored.

[Ron in SoCal]

Ron --- It was kind of Ferrari Silverstone Grigio colored.

No wonder i liked it...:D

[Flash68]

Ron --- It was kind of Ferrari Silverstone Grigio colored.

That'd only be about the 8th 1st gen Camaro that I know of on this forum in that color. :peepwall:

[Jack Maurer]

I would like to post some pics, but don't know how. The color is paladium silver, which is a current Mercedes color. Greg, the suggested mods on your Mustang would make the car handle better and be much easier to drive; you have plently of power for the weight of the car. Next event try driving my 0Mustang.....I know you said you did not like the car, but after you drive is you may think differently.

[GregWeld]

I would like to post some pics, but don't know how. The color is paladium silver, which is a current Mercedes color. Greg, the suggested mods on your Mustang would make the car handle better and be much easier to drive; you have plently of power for the weight of the car. Next event try driving my 0Mustang.....I know you said you did not like the car, but after you drive is you may think differently.


Email the pics to me and I'll post 'em up for ya.



Oh I LOVE your new Mustang.... I just don't want one for the track -- only because I love the VINTAGE stuff. But your Mustang is awesome!


I actually think the '65 is one car I've owned that I wouldn't do a thing to.... I like it just the way it is. But you never know! I've been known to hack 'em up even if they're perfect! :lol:


By the way -- the Palladium Silver was the only other choice (than black) when I was getting the S63..... Love that color. Just didn't think I wanted to live with the grey here in Seattle. :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

Was that the silver 69? I might have a pic or two...

Ron --- It was kind of Ferrari Silverstone Grigio colored.

That'd only be about the 8th 1st gen Camaro that I know of on this forum in that color. :peepwall:

The color is paladium silver, which is a current Mercedes color

Just wanted make sure DAVE was reading it right...:sieg: :D

Nice car Jack! :cheers:

[GregWeld]

So..... I started a thread for Jack to show his fresh Camaro....





http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?p=464211#post464211






And here is the late model Mustang he mentioned above....






http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Jack%20Maurers%20Camaro/file-14-1.jpg

[Flash68]

Just wanted make sure DAVE was reading it right...:sieg: :D



Yep, got it. You are safe holding the club down at only 7 members. :lol:

[Bryce]

holy thread jack batman!HAHA

What does the FR500 weigh?

[GregWeld]

holy thread jack batman!HAHA

What does the FR500 weigh?

We're getting there in a round about way.... Hell -- I'm even paying to have my Mustang weighed so I can give him an answer!!

[Jack Maurer]

Car weight is 3,245 lbs with a half tank of gas

[57hemicuda]

My Mustang in full frame,cage, and gutted interior is over 3300 lbs., the chassis is HEAVY DUTY. My new AMX project I'm trying to keep below 3000 lbs, we'll see how that goes. LOL

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Other/Mustang/i-NSDqnMq/0/L/sema-L.jpg

[Bryce]

We're getting there in a round about way.... Hell -- I'm even paying to have my Mustang weighed so I can give him an answer!!

Greg,

Next time you need to weigh your cars just send them to my house. I have a set of scales and promise not to abuse your car more than you do!

[GregWeld]

Car weight is 3,245 lbs with a half tank of gas




Jack -- What's the new car weigh??

[Jack Maurer]

Don't know the weight of Darkside.

[GregWeld]

Jack -- What's the new car weigh??

Don't know the weight of Darkside.



Sorry -- Forgot you have an entire stable of cars.... I was asking about the "new" Mustang.



:bitchslap:

[Jack Maurer]

3,245 lbs with half tank of fuel

[GregWeld]

So do you think the sheet for the '65 @ 3015 lbs is correct?? Do you remember having it corner weighed?

[Jack Maurer]

So do you think the sheet for the '65 @ 3015 lbs is correct?? Do you remember having it corner weighed?

The early mustangs weigh much less than the new mustangs; but as a consequence there is much more flex in the early mustangs compared to the new cars. The weight of 3,015 is right on; yes I had the the corner weights set at one time.

My 07 Mustang shed a lot of weight via carbon doors, gutted interior, lexan, lighter engine/radiatior cradle, but pounds were added with the supercharger, and eight point cage.

[GregWeld]

Greg,

Next time you need to weigh your cars just send them to my house. I have a set of scales and promise not to abuse your car more than you do!



:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :D :D

[GregWeld]

Okay -- a while back I asked the shop to weigh the '65 Mustang.... it took awhile but here's the response from them.


LF 840 RF 789
LR 722 RR 684

#3036 with driver weight (I weigh 195 #'s and told them this info)

cross LF/RR 50.2%

camber 2.25
caster 2.25
toe out 1/8"

During this process they found the car was toed in --- so they re-set it to toe out. So my paying them to weigh the car in order to respond to this thread was a good thing -- 'cause they got the alignment right! :lol:

[fvike]

To the OP: There is a thread about shaving weight on www.69stang.com

http://www.1969stang.com/mustang/forum/showthread.php?t=12342

[headcase]

Thanks for that. Was definitely an interesting read.

The glass is probably one big saving of weight. They mentioned of this company http://proglasswindows.com/FormedWindows.html which produces Lexen glass that can still be used like normal, wind up windows etc.

Has anyone actually got that glass from them installed on there car?

How would that look?

Will it look like glass but not glass or will it look like dodgy plastic like a drag car.