Early Wayne Due front subframe PS question

[Datsbad]

Hey guys it been awhile since Ive been on here . Extremely busy which is great ..

I was wondering if anyone remembers the old wayne due front subframe? I have a customers car in that has this old frame under it and it has a manual rack in it.

Customer wants to go to power steering but the rack is posing a problem.
Does anyone know if Wayne made frames that accepted PS racks and manual racks? Seems like a stupid thing to have 2 different versions . I tried numerous racks only to be left with nothing.

Any help would be great . Our customer is looking at switching the front frame just for this which might be the only option just a exspensive one. Thanks

[camcojb]

Hey guys it been awhile since Ive been on here . Extremely busy which is great ..

I was wondering if anyone remembers the old wayne due front subframe? I have a customers car in that has this old frame under it and it has a manual rack in it.

Customer wants to go to power steering but the rack is posing a problem.
Does anyone know if Wayne made frames that accepted PS racks and manual racks? Seems like a stupid thing to have 2 different versions . I tried numerous racks only to be left with nothing.

Any help would be great . Our customer is looking at switching the front frame just for this which might be the only option just a exspensive one. Thanks
Mine was a power rack. Thought it was off a Mustang, but not positive.

http://www.camcojb.com/temp/zl11.jpg

[Datsbad]

Mine was a power rack. Thought it was off a Mustang, but not positive.

http://www.camcojb.com/temp/zl11.jpg

Thanks Jodi...something looks different . cant put my finger on it.

[Vegas69]

Looks like the same rack DSE uses. I think Jody is right, off an 80's Mustang.

[camcojb]

here's some more info off PT.

http://www.pro-touring.com/archive/index.php/t-21520.html

[Datsbad]

Looks like the same rack DSE uses. I think Jody is right, off an 80's Mustang.

Oh Im aware of that ...

[Datsbad]

problem is the IBJ lengths ...easy to change on a manual rack not as much on a power. Buying a mustang rack will bolt in the ends need to be changed...thats being a problem

[Datsbad]

here's some more info off PT.

http://www.pro-touring.com/archive/index.php/t-21520.html

very helpful....Thanks Jodi

[camcojb]

So I take it a DSE unit won't work? I bought the subframe new from a friend, who got it straight from Wayne. I think I had to buy the rack from Wayne, no idea where he was getting them modded, if that is indeed the case.

[camcojb]

very helpful....Thanks Jodi
Hope it helps. :thumbsup:

[Datsbad]

So I take it a DSE unit won't work? I bought the subframe new from a friend, who got it straight from Wayne. I think I had to buy the rack from Wayne, no idea where he was getting them modded, if that is indeed the case.

no DSE unit is different slightly. a SN95 rack has the right dimensions to bolt up. Have to change out the ends or disassemble the rack and modify. Not a big deal . Theres more to the story . Customer has never driven this car 1 miles . Insisit's it has PS steering but then says were doing a DSE front frame and LS with Quadarlink very soon to it.....Just a waste of money .

[camcojb]

no DSE unit is different slightly. a SN95 rack has the right dimensions to bolt up. Have to change out the ends or disassemble the rack and modify. Not a big deal . Theres more to the story . Customer has never driven this car 1 miles . Insisit's it has PS steering but then says were doing a DSE front frame and LS with Quadarlink very soon to it.....Just a waste of money .
well, sounds like he has plenty of money, and as long as he's willing to pay twice for it, then that's good for you. ;)

[Datsbad]

well, sounds like he has plenty of money, and as long as he's willing to pay twice for it, then that's good for you. ;)

yeah ... but I end hearing it later even after he made the decision... know what I mean .

[GregWeld]

Geez --- Too bad I sold the one I had hanging in the shed from the ceiling! It had P/S....







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[Vince@Meanstreets]

Geebus Weld, you got sheet all over the place. LOL

Hey Jason, I have an early early Wayne frame, Might even be a Rasmusen frame. I found that it was different, a bit wider and we found that they used a mid 90's Caravan outer tie rod to make it work. Thst might help you out.

[Rick D]

Geez --- Too bad I sold the one I had hanging in the shed from the ceiling! It had P/S....

Leave it to you Greg, only you would have a sub frame hanging from the ceiling!:hail:

[GregWeld]

Geebus Weld, you got sheet all over the place. LOL

Hey Jason, I have an early early Wayne frame, Might even be a Rasmusen frame. I found that it was different, a bit wider and we found that they used a mid 90's Caravan outer tie rod to make it work. Thst might help you out.

Leave it to you Greg, only you would have a sub frame hanging from the ceiling!:hail:




I'm a "newbie" to this whole car hot rodding thing....



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[Z06vette]

I have an early wayne due frame w/C4 suspension/C5brakes. Its been a while, but when I was trying to find out what rack was on it the match was 93 cobra mustang and/or 94/95 cobra. I dont know if this will help you or not but I figured it couldnt hurt. The LS1 pump has too must assist on this rack for my liking. Its great for autocross, but on open track w/higher speeds it will be too twitchy for me. Right now Im running a smaller restricter in the pump,which helps, but I will evemtually have the rack revalved.
Scott

[GregWeld]

I have an early wayne due frame w/C4 suspension/C5brakes. Its been a while, but when I was trying to find out what rack was on it the match was 93 cobra mustang and/or 94/95 cobra. I dont know if this will help you or not but I figured it couldnt hurt. The LS1 pump has too must assist on this rack for my liking. Its great for autocross, but on open track w/higher speeds it will be too twitchy for me. Right now Im running a smaller restricter in the pump,which helps, but I will evemtually have the rack revalved.
Scott



That's a problem with running a GM pump and a Ford rack.... There is a valve replacement for that on the high pressure side of the pump. But I agree = it's close but not perfect.

[coolwelder62]

I am almost sure you could a DSE (24.5)rack(The DSE unit use's 9/16 mounting bolt's on 15.5"center's).Might have to use some .750 O.D X .058 wall tube to make a new thur mounting sleeve.The DSE unit are revalved for GM pump PSI.:thumbsup:

[Tony V]

just scanned the old "Art Rasmussen" catalog and when i bought my front clip he didn't offer a power rack although he did have some pwr steering hose kits but never listed a power rack....Manual rack only PN FR1502 (Flaming River)

He also offered a "Narrowed Mustang II Rack" PN ARDF 200036 (i'm guessing that's an Art PN only...)

not sure what Wayne did.....

I like the hanging clip idea....i've been moving my from side to side for years....looking for some chain now...thx Greg!

[GregWeld]

Nothing a good old fashioned chain hoist can't handle -- get 'er up there and then just chain it up good - it ain't comin' down! Remove the chain hoist and use it elsewhere!

That SOB was up there for like 4 years... Then I sold both '69 drop top cars -- and moved on.

When I sold the clip -- I welded up a stand for it so she'd ride vertical off the bumper mount holes -- in the pick up truck.... strapped 'er in good and off to California she went.