Discussion about AMSOIL

[AMSOILGUY]

Now I am not starting this post to have a discussion about what oil is the best! This will be a resource for everybody on the site.

The things that I am going to cover are:
1. How AMSOIL was started and where the company is now.
2. The different ways to get AMSOIL.
3. Answer any questions anybody has about AMSOIL.
4. Explain what is all available from AMSOIL.
5. For those already using AMSOIL ensure your getting it at the lowest price!

In the 60's there was a guy named A.J.Amatuzio that was looking for the formula for a synthetic motor oil. Not just any synthetic motor oil but one that meet the American Petroleum Institute service requirements. In 1972 AMSOIL accomplished this making AMSOIL truly The First in Synthetics.

Amatuzio was a fighter pilot in the Air Force. That is where he first learned about synthetic lubricants. A unique lubricant was need to withstand the harsh conditions of flying. Being from Wisconsin and dealing with the change in seasons he realized that combustion engines would benefit as well. In a nut shell, so became AMSOIL!

To answer where the company is now is easy. AMSOIL has never been more known and still a leader in the industry.


So how can you get AMSOIL? There are 5 ways to get AMSOIL from AMSOIL. You can be an AMSOIL dealer, preferred customer, retail account, commercial account, or a retail customer. Now a retail customer is just that someone who purchases oil from AMSOIL at retail cost.
AMSOIL dealers and preferred customers purchase AMSOIL at wholesale. Dealers pay annually 30 dollars and may sell AMSOIL. Preferred customers pay 20 dollars a year and are not allowed to sell AMSOIL. Retail and commercial accounts just need to register their business with AMSOIL and can purchase at wholesale.

AMSOIL customers also have access to AMSOIL filters, WIX filters, Donaldson filters, Mothers car care products, Trico wiper blades, and NGK plugs. At wholesale if a dealer or preferred customer. On top of that you will get a monthly magazine if a dealer or preferred customer.

So if you currently use AMSOIL and are not a dealer or preferred customer you are paying to much! Find more information about both here http://www.amsoil.com/opportunity.aspx?zo=1856266&type=preferred


Like I said in my introduction post my name is Jacob Ehlers I am an AMSOIL dealer. My website is www.jacobehlers.com my number is 319-929-8697 and my email is [email protected]. If you have a question you would rather not ask on the forum give me a call. Otherwise lets see what the forum members on:lateral: know or would like to know about AMSOIL.

[camcojb]

no questions for me, but wanted to add that I've used many of the Amsoil products over the years with great results. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Sieg]

Jacob - Does Amsoil have a product for flat tappet camshafts?

[ErikLS2]

I have a question. I've been turning wrenches for a living for a LONG time (too long actually but anyway) and have had more engines apart than I could ever count. I have never seen a failure that I could directly attribute to the oil itself. I've never done an official study or anything like that I will admit.

I get asked often by customers about synthetic oil because all the cars I work on now come with and require it. I just tell them it's far more important how often you change the oil than what brand or type of oil you put in.

The craziest thing I ever saw was an engine I replaced that finally gave up at about 53k miles which had NEVER had the oil changed since it was new. When I took the oil pan off all the oil in the pan was basically like black jello and I was actually able to get a screw driver to stand up in it all by itself. This was regular old mineral based oil.

So, my question is what studies or other tests are out there that really justify the extra cost of some of these fancy oils? Not trying to put yours or any other product down, I'm actually looking to hopefully learn something and have a discussion. There must be something I don't know.

[AMSOILGUY]

Jacob - Does Amsoil have a product for flat tappet camshafts?

Yes they do it is Z-ROD it comes in both 10w30 and 20w-50
http://www.amsoil.com/shopres/products/270px/ZRT.jpg
You can find it on my website under Motor Oil.
www.jacobehlers.com

[AMSOILGUY]

So, my question is what studies or other tests are out there that really justify the extra cost of some of these fancy oils? Not trying to put yours or any other product down, I'm actually looking to hopefully learn something and have a discussion. There must be something I don't know.

Erik,
With out getting to technical motor oil is made of lots of different ingredients (base stocks and additives). Base stocks can be synthetic or petroleum. The difference is a distillation process(petroleum) or a chemical reaction process (synthetic) Being chemical allows the process to be the exact same every time. Base stocks are the basic makeup of the oil. Additives have two functions enhance the oil's beneficial properties and lessen the destructive processes in the oil. So Depending what ingredients you put in your receipt determines how good your product is going to be. So synthetic oils will last longer and break down slower then petroleum based oils.

[Gatekeeper]

I have it my in Duramax. :thumbsup:

[ironworks]

Which oil do you guys recommend for race engines with a high lead content?

And how does it compare with other brands?

[Vegas69]

I have a question. I've been turning wrenches for a living for a LONG time (too long actually but anyway) and have had more engines apart than I could ever count. I have never seen a failure that I could directly attribute to the oil itself. I've never done an official study or anything like that I will admit.

I get asked often by customers about synthetic oil because all the cars I work on now come with and require it. I just tell them it's far more important how often you change the oil than what brand or type of oil you put in.

The craziest thing I ever saw was an engine I replaced that finally gave up at about 53k miles which had NEVER had the oil changed since it was new. When I took the oil pan off all the oil in the pan was basically like black jello and I was actually able to get a screw driver to stand up in it all by itself. This was regular old mineral based oil.

So, my question is what studies or other tests are out there that really justify the extra cost of some of these fancy oils? Not trying to put yours or any other product down, I'm actually looking to hopefully learn something and have a discussion. There must be something I don't know.

My opinion is that synthetics shine in engine longevity and extreme applications. They flow better cold and hold on to their viscosity at higher temperatures. I can see why manufacturers require it with 100k warranties and any race car that see's extreme temps. I found the limit of a semi sythetic road racing my car and went to a full synthetic.

Your average daily driver won't ever realize the difference.

[AMSOILGUY]

Which oil do you guys recommend for race engines with a high lead content?

And how does it compare with other brands?

For a true racing application you want to use the Dominator Racing oil pictured is 5w-20 but it also comes in 10w-30 15w-50 and SAE 60.

http://www.amsoil.com/shopres/products/270px/RD20.jpg

Data sheet on these products can be found by going to my website www.jacobehlers.com and clicking motor oil. Then click racing oil on the next page and the different viscosities will be listed. Then look at the data sheet and if you can get the information on the other oils in question you can compare them.

[AMSOILGUY]

Your average daily driver won't ever realize the difference.



My wife mentioned to me that in her Honda civic she got better MPG which has been confirmed again and again. No not all applications will see an increase but some definitely have!

[latoracing]

I've been an Amsoil dealer for 5 years now. I use these products in all my engines, even my air compressor. I like to be able to show people that I use the products that I am attempting to sell. Great products, and it is fantastic for the daily driver as well, better fuel milage, and fewer oil changes in a year, can be a cost savings to the person buying the Amsoil produts.

[KPC67]

I have a question. I've been turning wrenches for a living for a LONG time (too long actually but anyway) and have had more engines apart than I could ever count. I have never seen a failure that I could directly attribute to the oil itself. I've never done an official study or anything like that I will admit.

I get asked often by customers about synthetic oil because all the cars I work on now come with and require it. I just tell them it's far more important how often you change the oil than what brand or type of oil you put in.

The craziest thing I ever saw was an engine I replaced that finally gave up at about 53k miles which had NEVER had the oil changed since it was new. When I took the oil pan off all the oil in the pan was basically like black jello and I was actually able to get a screw driver to stand up in it all by itself. This was regular old mineral based oil.

So, my question is what studies or other tests are out there that really justify the extra cost of some of these fancy oils? Not trying to put yours or any other product down, I'm actually looking to hopefully learn something and have a discussion. There must be something I don't know.

I agree with changing your oil more frequently. In our farm equipment where the RPM varies alot like our tractors and big trucks we use a semi synthteic and change it every 200 hrs. In our sprayer where it runs full throttle 100% of the time we were running AMS oil and changing it every 400 hours.
I have been meaning to do oil analysis on both but always seem to be in a rush to get back into the field.
I wonder if I am doing the right thing, it would be much more simple to just run one oil in all the equipment so I wouldn't have to stock the shelves with different brands.


My opinion is that synthetics shine in engine longevity and extreme applications. They flow better cold and hold on to their viscosity at higher temperatures. I can see why manufacturers require it with 100k warranties and any race car that see's extreme temps. I found the limit of a semi sythetic road racing my car and went to a full synthetic.

Your average daily driver won't ever realize the difference.

What I said above coincides with what Todd says, synthetic shines in harsh conditions. With that being said I run AMS oil 5-30 in my daily driver. As I type this it is -25c outside right now and my truck is sitting out there. I will go out and turn the key with a piece of mind.

I am going to try and be more adamant about oil sample in the future so I know for sure if it is worth it for me.

[AMSOILGUY]

I wonder if I am doing the right thing, it would be much more simple to just run one oil in all the equipment so I wouldn't have to stock the shelves with different brands.

Kevin since you are talking about tractors and big trucks you can be a commercial account with AMSOIL. You can earn discounted analysis through AMSOIL along with freight discounts if you purchase x amount of product all while ordering at dealer cost. Or you could be an AMSOIL dealer and get a check in the mail when you do order. I can help you with either. I'll send you a PM and I can answer questions directly related to your applications.
Jacob

[badmatt]

AMSOIL WORKS.

Was used by the previous owner of my ex nascar motor, and let me tell you considering the motor wasnt pulled apart for 3 seasons in a row racing in ARCA before I purchased it. the bearings still had the H coating on them. All the parts looked new.

Matt

[AMSOILGUY]

Thanks for joining the discussion Matt. Its always nice to hear why I don't have a problem talking to people about this product line:yes:

[badmatt]

Only problem I have with Amsoil.

Is how damn hard it is to clean off concrete... LOLOLOLOL

[Vegas69]

I agree with changing your oil more frequently. In our farm equipment where the RPM varies alot like our tractors and big trucks we use a semi synthteic and change it every 200 hrs. In our sprayer where it runs full throttle 100% of the time we were running AMS oil and changing it every 400 hours.
I have been meaning to do oil analysis on both but always seem to be in a rush to get back into the field.
I wonder if I am doing the right thing, it would be much more simple to just run one oil in all the equipment so I wouldn't have to stock the shelves with different brands.




What I said above coincides with what Todd says, synthetic shines in harsh conditions. With that being said I run AMS oil 5-30 in my daily driver. As I type this it is -25c outside right now and my truck is sitting out there. I will go out and turn the key with a piece of mind.

I am going to try and be more adamant about oil sample in the future so I know for sure if it is worth it for me.

I use it in our dailys as well. What I really meant is that most don't keep a car long enough to realize the gains vs. cost. Or care for that matter. If you plan to drive it until it's worn out, I'd run synthetic, no question. It's just better techonology.

[FathomGreen69]

When I was a carpenter back in the early nineties, my boss swore by synthetic oil. He ran it in our work truck, an f150 w/a 302. He had the heads pulled at 150,000 miles(not counting thousands of idling hrs) and the mechanic couldn't believe it, he said the heads and cylinders looked brand new. I've been using mostly amsoil synthetic ever since.

[krptonite]

have used amsoil in motorcycles and still will, but being from the uk originally i am continually surprised at how often oil is changed in north america, for example, mobil 1 in uk is rated for 25000miles, usa 15000miles and canada 15000km's!! i asked a rep at a race meet and he didnt know why the difference, the engine is the same in a bmw for europe as the usa but in europe it wont go for first service for at least 20,000miles, even cheap ecotecs are the same, i can't see a manufacturer risking their motors with such high miles between oil changes while under warranty if it wasnt safe to do so, and euro models usually have a much harder life as most are used with standard trans so they get revved higher and there is more engine braking too, and some of the same climate extremes depending on country etc, i used to run mobil 1 in a jetta tdi with over 400,000 miles on original motor and the oil always looked good still after 10,000 miles!, synthetic definately withstands extreme heat better for sure and will benefit any engine,

[AMSOILGUY]

So thats 2 full pages of nothing but positive comments about AMSOIL and synthetics. So whos running conventional then? If you use conventional and have never tried synthetics tell me what you've got, meaning: Year, Make, Model and Engine. I'll find what you need and let you know what the cost is. Thanks to everybody who has posted!:thumbsup:

[InfernalVortex]

I'd like amsoil a lot more if they ditched the MLM scheme and stopped silencing critics through bribery/sponsorship of online car communities. The vast majority of message boards that have a lot of this amsoil propaganda get sponsorship through amsoil, and any dissenting opinions get censored.

I have no problem with the oil itself. Im sure it's on par with any other average synthetic motor oil, but the amsoil gestapo really turned me off from buying anything from them. Add to that all the fake, cookie cutter corporate "guerilla marketting" tactics they employ and it just leaves a real bad taste in my mouth.

That said there may be a place in my garage for some of that z-rod oil, but that's more because thats a niche that's been underrepresented by the more mainstream oil companies than because I think amsoil is somehow empirically superior to other synthetics.

[camcojb]

I'd like amsoil a lot more if they ditched the MLM scheme and stopped silencing critics through bribery/sponsorship of online car communities. The vast majority of message boards that have a lot of this amsoil propaganda get sponsorship through amsoil, and any dissenting opinions get censored.

I have no problem with the oil itself. Im sure it's on par with any other average synthetic motor oil, but the amsoil gestapo really turned me off from buying anything from them. Add to that all the fake, cookie cutter corporate "guerilla marketting" tactics they employ and it just leaves a real bad taste in my mouth.

That said there may be a place in my garage for some of that z-rod oil, but that's more because thats a niche that's been underrepresented by the more mainstream oil companies than because I think amsoil is somehow empirically superior to other synthetics.
we are not receiving any "sponsorship" from Amsoil. There are ways to speak a differing opinion without problems and then there are those that cannot. If a guy gets banned it's not because they speak against a sponsor, it's how and what they say.

Differing opinions are fine, we just ask that you keep it respectful and not pure bashing.

[AMSOILGUY]

I'd like amsoil a lot more if they ditched the MLM scheme and stopped silencing critics through bribery/sponsorship of online car communities. The vast majority of message boards that have a lot of this amsoil propaganda get sponsorship through amsoil, and any dissenting opinions get censored.

I have no problem with the oil itself. Im sure it's on par with any other average synthetic motor oil, but the amsoil gestapo really turned me off from buying anything from them. Add to that all the fake, cookie cutter corporate "guerilla marketting" tactics they employ and it just leaves a real bad taste in my mouth.

That said there may be a place in my garage for some of that z-rod oil, but that's more because thats a niche that's been underrepresented by the more mainstream oil companies than because I think amsoil is somehow empirically superior to other synthetics.

Thanks for joining the discussion and I was wondering when someone would bring this up. So why does AMSOIL have dealers? I had the opportunity to have this very question answered by the owner A.J. Amatuzio last year. His response was "If I could only have had 5 minutes with every potential customer to explain the benefits of using AMSOIL. I could help people understand the difference between synthetic and petroleum oils." He realized that wasn't possible so he set out to train and educate those interested in offering a superior technology.

I am sorry you have gotten a bad taste in your mouth about AMSOIL. Like anything there are good dealers and bad dealers.

As for "I'm sure it's on par with any other average synthetic motor oil" Since AMSOIL created the first synthetic motor oil to meet API requirements virtually all other oil company's have came up with their own synthetic oil. That alone does not mean that all those oils are equal. This is confirmed not only with pricing but also on the recommendation of service life for the oil. Not until last year did AMSOIL have a motor oil that was not meant for extended drain intervals.
They released OE that is designed for manufacture recommendation which varies from make to make. Some say 3k and others say much longer.
http://www.amsoil.com/shopres/products/270px/OEF.jpg

Thanks again for your post. We had only covered a very small part of AMSOIL as a company so I'm glad you opened up the discussion. I look forward to being an AMSOIL dealer that you can get information from and trust. I am excited to get AMSOIL on your shelf but I'd rather see it protecting what I'm sure you like very much.

[CarlC]

I wonder if I am doing the right thing, it would be much more simple to just run one oil in all the equipment so I wouldn't have to stock the shelves with different brands.

Choosing the proper viscosity is more important than choosing a standard or synthetic. Improper viscosity selection will lead to premature bearing and other wear component failures no matter what type of oil is used. This is especially true for cold start and cold operating environments.

[Bryce]

I use amsoil ATF and in the race engine and I like it.

Why do most rear end carrier and gear suppliers require the use of a conventional gear oil over synthetic.

[AMSOILGUY]

I use amsoil ATF and in the race engine and I like it.

Why do most rear end carrier and gear suppliers require the use of a conventional gear oil over synthetic.

Bryce I truely do not have a for sure answer to your question. What I am pretty sure on is that conventional gear oil usually requires additional additives. I can only speak about AMSOIL's lube and say that it's a all in 1 package no additives neccesary. AMSOIL does offer a product you can add to gear oil though!
http://www.amsoil.com/shopres/products/270px/ADA.jpg

[AMSOILGUY]

Here is a study AMSOIL just did for diesel application regarding fuel economy. Very interesting and will save owners lots of $$$. http://www.amsoil.com/performancetests/g3086.pdf

[AMSOILGUY]

Once again i'm reminded why I use AMSOIL in my vehicles.
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/c67.0.403.403/p403x403/150967_10200389798937545_545838801_n.jpg Excuse the mess its winter and cold. But this is my wifes 2012 subaru that AMSOIL has not had a filter for so i've been using WIX filters. Changing them every 5 thousand miles. I'm running the oil 15,000 with 3 filter changes. They now have the AMSOIL filter so I will be able to change the filter and oil at 15,000 miles. This saves me time by instead of changing my oil at 5,000, I check it. I use far less oil in a year and one oil filter. This is just better for everybody. If you change your oil more often then that seriously consider trying this.
www.jacobehlers.com

[SLO_Z28]

What do you think of the Ester based and group 5 oils? I am going to build a big block for my car, and I will run RS55 9.

[AMSOILGUY]

What do you think of the Ester based and group 5 oils? I am going to build a big block for my car, and I will run RS55 9.

Esters are base stocks that date back to WWII. Several different kinds common ones are diesters, polyol, and phosphate.

Diesters have the ability to function over broad temperature ranges, thermal and oxidative stability and exceptional inherent lubricity.

Polyol have the same broad operating temperature range as other synthetic base stocks and exhibit good thermal and oxidative stability.

Thanks for asking a good question made me go back and look at material that you read that most people don't care about! I think that since your asking about esters and groups you have a good idea what to look for in oil!
Give the Z-Rod a try it is for performance engines.

[Flash68]

What would you recommend for the following application:

437" SB2.2 approx 750-800 hp on E85
Intended usage is road course and autocross but be able to drive on the street as well

Thanks

[AMSOILGUY]

What would you recommend for the following application:

437" SB2.2 approx 750-800 hp on E85
Intended usage is road course and autocross but be able to drive on the street as well

Thanks
Sweet motor you have in your car!
I would run the viscosity recommended from the builder in the Dominator racing oil.
http://www.amsoil.com/shopres/products/270px/RD30.jpg http://www.amsoil.com/shopres/products/270px/RD50.jpg http://www.amsoil.com/shopres/products/270px/RD20.jpg

You can find this oil and more information on my website www.jacobehlers.com under motor oils and sub catagory racing oil. Let me know if you have any further questions and I can tell you how to save 25%.
Jacob

[AMSOILGUY]

I would also recommend bringing oil analysis into your program. Lots of people guessing when lubricants need changing. Aside from that it tells you what is wearing inside your engine and could catch a problem before failure.

[SLO_Z28]

What would you recommend for the following application:

437" SB2.2 approx 750-800 hp on E85
Intended usage is road course and autocross but be able to drive on the street as well

Thanks

OE fill in that engine would have been VP Racing oil. I would stick with that depending on who built the engine.

[Sieg]

Sweet motor you have in your car!
Jacob
Excuse me a moment.....................:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

:thankyou:

[AMSOILGUY]

I would be most concerned about viscosity.

[AMSOILGUY]

Anybody who purchases AMSOIL at www.jacobehlers.com with a Preferred Customer trial membership will be reimbursed the membership cost. You can also order directly with AMSOIL at 1-800-965-5695 and give them member number 1856266. On top of saving approximately 25% off retail you will receive a free 2013 AMSOIL calendar with your reimbursement. You will also get a monthly AMSOIL magazine at no cost. Whether you have used AMSOIL products or are a new customer this is an amazing deal! Offer valid for one time Preferred Customer trial membership only. If you have any questions please contact me.
Thanks
Jacob

[AMSOILGUY]

I wanted to say thanks to those that have taken advantage of the deal! I've got a few calendars left so get yours today. What I am offering is the best deal i've seen or heard about for AMSOIL products. Call me if you have questions 319-929-8697
Jacob