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camcojb
01-09-2013, 12:46 PM
Goodguys AutoCross Rules 2013

The classes for 2013 will be as follows: PRO-Class, Street Machine, Hot Rod, Truck and All American Sunday Late Models.
All classes will have the following general rules:
No alcoholic beverages allowed for driver or crew member in the pit or track area.
DOT tires and tread wear will be limited to 200 minimum. Any tread wear rating below 200 will be exhibition only and times will not be recorded or promoted. No tires can be down to the wear indicators.
Must have all lug nuts on each wheel and must remove hub caps during runs if equipped.
Wheel bearings must have no play.
Batteries must be mounted securely by mechanical fastener to the body or chassis.
Overflow catch can on the radiator is mandatory.
All hoses must be in good condition with no cracks, swelling, deterioration or leaks.
Brake pedal must have good resistance and not go to the floor.
All wheels must have working brakes of at least 50% of original thickness and fluid must be full with no leaks.
Steering column must be tight and secured no binding or looseness.
Seats must be mounted secure to body or chassis.
Seat belts must be a minimum of a lap belt and secured to the body, bar, seat anchor bolt or frame. Any passenger riding must also have a seatbelt of the same caliber of drivers.
Gas cap or tank vent must not leak on the track and tank must be securely mounted.
Fuel tank must be mounted in stock location or SFI fuel cell mounted securely. (Trucks see rules)
Exhaust must exit outside of the body or behind driver and securely installed. Mufflers are required with no open exhaust or open headers allowed.
All entries will have all body panels of such vehicle. (Fenders, doors, hood, deck lid and bed sides on trucks) body must be within 10% of original production. (Hot rod & Truck class have exception in rules)
Must have front and rear glass or lexan and side windows must be rolled down during run times.
Throttle must have a return spring with no binding.
No leaks under vehicle.
All entries must be registered participants with Goodguys at the event and must be street licensed, insured, street legal and no race cars or purpose built vehicles. (No comp entries)
The registered name on the vehicle window sticker will be the only driver that times can be counted or displayed. If you have two drivers you must have two window stickers with the different driver names. If someone else drives the car that is not listed times will not count.
All entries must run a Goodguys AutoCross decal to run on the track, you will get this after the vehicle has passed tech.
All Pro-Class participants must run a windshield decal all season. (provided by Goodguys at tech)
You must be present at the end of your class competition if you are the winner of the class for pictures and the awards. If you are not, the runner up will become the new winner. All winners must go through the awards on Sunday to be considered the winner and receive the awards.
All passengers must be 18 years or older unless riding with parents and then they must be 16 or older. All competitors and passengers must sign an event waiver.
Driver must have a state issued license.
All loose items must be removed from the vehicle. Including floor mats.
Helmets are not required; the course will be designed to keep speeds below 35MPH.
After any situation the vehicle may have to be re-inspected at the discretion of track official.
All decisions made by race official will be enforced and are final.
No unsafe driving will be tolerated.
No burnouts to or at starting line or outside the safety area.
Smoking is not permitted in the pits, grid area or inside the racing area at any time.
Each participant is responsible for any and all damages brought on by themselves or their vehicles at the event. They are responsible for any damages, legal fees and clean-up fees by facility or event coordinators.
Cone penalty is 1 second added to your time.
Not stopping at the exit stop sign is a 2 second penalty added to your time.


Tech will open about one hour before racing starts. Please stay with your car until it has made it through tech and you have your decal. Pit space is limited and will be first come first served. If stalls become open during the day we will fill with cars from the waiting area. You will have until 9am on two days of competition to go back to your same pit stall if you do not your space will be given away.

PRO-Class:
Sponsors of the AutoCross are automatically put into the PRO-Class. The Street Machine, Hot Rod and Truck class winners after each event will be in the PRO-Class for the remainder of that season.
Sponsor cars must be house cars only, or owned by a full time employee of the sponsor.
Drivers of the PRO-Class must be full time employees of the sponsoring company.
The driver that was in the vehicle that won its class to move up will be the only driver that can run the car in the PRO-Class.
PRO-Class will run at the top of every hour at the discretion of the track officials.
PRO-Class will be running for an award and the chance to be in a feature in the Goodguys Gazette at seasons end along with qualifying for the AutoCross Finals Shootout.
There will be an official PRO-Class decal for your windshield once you qualify for the PRO-class that must be worn for the season.
PRO-Class vehicles must be 1972 or older in appearance, representing a production car.
The PRO-Class will be running with a point system for the season winner. Each event that you run you will get 1 point for running the event and first to tenth will get points ten for first and one for tenth. The classes will be divided and points will go to each class. (Street Machine, Hot Rod, and Truck) The season winners will get a feature in the Goodguys Gazette.
Street Machine Class:
All vehicles must be 1955 to 1972 in appearance, representing a production car.
Goodguys Get-Togethers at Pleasanton will be 1955 and newer.
Hot Rod Class:
All vehicles must be 1954 or older cars in appearance, no trucks, deliveries or panels allowed in this class.
High-Boys and Roadsters are not required to run fenders or hood sides.
Truck Class:
Must be 1972 or older at the National events and all year trucks at the Pleasanton Get-Togethers.
Any vehicle with a Bed, Panel trucks, Deliveries, El Caminos and Rancheros will be in this class.
1940 and older trucks are not required to run fenders or hood sides.
Fuel tanks do NOT have to be in stock location but must be securely mounted.
All American Sunday Late Models:
All 1973 and newer cars and trucks will be in this class and can only run on Sundays at the Nationals events.
Tread wear should be production equipped rate or 200 minimum.

dontlifttoshift
01-09-2013, 02:20 PM
Here's the best part....:cool:



Goodguys 2013 AutoCross Finals Shootout Presented by BFGoodrich Tires.

Goodguys 2013 AutoCross Finals Shootout will be held at the 16th Southwest Nationals event in Scottsdale AZ on November 15-17, 2013. This will be the first time Goodguys has a yearend shootout with prize money and national bragging rights for the winner. Below is information on how you can be part of the AutoCross Shootout.

There will be a total of 24 cars with 24 drivers for the finals shootout.

Three ways to get into the Finals are; be the fastest at a National event, be in the top of the PRO class or race your way in at AZ.

1. The fastest time of the event classes by Saturday for each of the eleven National events before November 2013 will automatically be entered into the finals. At the time of the competition ending the fastest time winner will be asked if he or she wants to be in the finals. The car that they are driving will be the car they must drive in the finals. If they do not want to be part of the finals or if they do not want to drive the car of that event they can decline. The next eligible fastest time will then get the invite and must go through the same Final process. They must then sign the AutoCross Finals Shootout Agreement stating that they will take part in the shootout with the car they ran at the event. If someone is the fast time at more than one event the next fastest time eligible will be entered so we have eleven entries from the events. Once a car and or driver are in the Finals that driver and car cannot get into the finals a second time.

2. We will have the top nine from the PRO class that are not already entered into the finals to increase the field to twenty cars. This will be combined points of all classes to get the top nine. The nine will need to drive a car they received points with during the season for the Finals Shootout. They can also decline and we will take the next eligible racer to fill the field to twenty car.

3. Four spots will be open for someone to run fast time at Scottsdale on Friday to get into the field, we will take the top four times that are eligible to make a twenty-four car field for Saturdays action packed shootout. Friday will be reserved for the top 20 to practice and for fast cars to race their way into the finals.

The top twenty cars will get a free entry for their car and two weekend people passes to the event in Scottsdale. Goodguys will be paying the top four places of the Shootout, 1st $3000.00 2nd $1250.00 3rd $500.00 and 4th $250.00. BF Goodrich will also have Gift Certificates for a set of tires to the top four racers. There will be a feature in the Goodguys Gazette on the winner of the Finals and a Billet Award presented during the awards on Sunday. The winner will also receive the following: A Snap-On Tool Box (Valued at $7000.00) with the AutoCross Logo and become one of the Goodguys Terrific Twelve of the year winners at Scottsdale. This event maybe filmed for later broadcast.

The format for the event will be as follows: Friday there will be twenty pit spots for the people already in the finals and they will run with anyone trying to race into the finals. Friday we will take the top four not already in, to set the twenty-four car field for Saturday. Saturday from 9am to noon we will let the twenty-four cars run as many laps as they want to get their fastest time for qualifying for the Shootout. At 1:30pm we will start the elimations on a 24 car PRO ladder. By the end of the day we will have the winner of the first Goodguys AutoCross Shootout presented by BFGoodrich Tires.

Bryce
01-09-2013, 03:26 PM
Fuel tank must be mounted in stock location or SFI fuel cell mounted securely.

Are FIA cells SFI certified?

All entries will have all body panels of such vehicle. (Fenders, doors, hood, deck lid and bed sides on trucks) body must be within 10% of original production. (Hot rod & Truck class have exception in rules)


How do you enforce this? How much wheel well flare is allowed.

JKnight
01-09-2013, 03:30 PM
All entries will have all body panels of such vehicle. (Fenders, doors, hood, deck lid and bed sides on trucks) body must be within 10% of original production. (Hot rod & Truck class have exception in rules)


How do you enforce this? How much wheel well flare is allowed.

I'm guessing they'll use their eye-crometer, one of those "I know illegal when I see it" kind of deals.

Bryce
01-09-2013, 03:52 PM
I'm guessing they'll use their eye-crometer, one of those "I know illegal when I see it" kind of deals.

So is it like nascar now; we get out the templates? Thats not a real falcon, it has a hood scoop and a shelby valance. I guess the rules change every year and if you build a car every year you are good, but if it takes you five years then you will never keep up with the changes. Oh well.

JKnight
01-09-2013, 04:21 PM
I hear ya. On one hand, I'm sure they'll be realistic about the fact that we're hot rodders and we're going to modify stuff. On the other hand, I think we can clearly see some element of history repeating itself with some of these events as the fun goes out the window in search of "fair" competition through regulation.

dontlifttoshift
01-09-2013, 07:12 PM
I am not sure why that 10% rule even exists.

Ed.Capen
01-10-2013, 07:49 AM
The 10% rule is to help with situations that come up with cars that are not representing a production car or are a kit car that is not even close to a production car. If you take a mustang roof and cut it down to be as wide as the drivers area and slap on some cut down fenders and doors and it looks like a dwarf car more than a Mustang it is going to be running in the Fun Class that is not eligible for any awards or posting of times.

There has been alot of thought that went into these rules to try and not exclude cars but keep it safe and fun. Remember when there is money involved we have to cover all the bases to make things fair and keep everything in line.

I hope that everyone is looking at being the fastest at an event or being in the top of the PRO-Class so they can be part of the AutoCross Finals Shootout. This is going to be BIG....

Also Donny did you see you are not a Hot Rod!!!!:unibrow:

:thumbsup:

Bryce
01-10-2013, 09:06 AM
The 10% rule is to help with situations that come up with cars that are not representing a production car or are a kit car that is not even close to a production car. If you take a mustang roof and cut it down to be as wide as the drivers area and slap on some cut down fenders and doors and it looks like a dwarf car more than a Mustang it is going to be running in the Fun Class that is not eligible for any awards or posting of times.

There has been alot of thought that went into these rules to try and not exclude cars but keep it safe and fun. Remember when there is money involved we have to cover all the bases to make things fair and keep everything in line.

I hope that everyone is looking at being the fastest at an event or being in the top of the PRO-Class so they can be part of the AutoCross Finals Shootout. This is going to be BIG....

Also Donny did you see you are not a Hot Rod!!!!:unibrow:

:thumbsup:


So does everyone vote if a body mod is over 10% or is the decision made by one person. Your example would be a 100% body mod in my opinion. Does that mean as long as the overall size of the car is within 10% of stock. Example: if the stock wheelbase was 100" then anything between 90" and 110" would be within the 10% rule or if stock width is 60" then anything between 54" and 66" would be within the 10% rule. Can you please clarify this rule?

Fuel cell: ATL does not put a SFI tag on their bladders, SFI cells are for the pro-street crowd not the pro-touring crowd. I think you should look into this new rule and add FIA certs are acceptable in lieu of SFI.

Also why is Donny not a hot rod?

dontlifttoshift
01-10-2013, 10:35 AM
[QUOTE=Ed.Capen;457041]The 10% rule is to help with situations that come up with cars that are not representing a production car or are a kit car that is not even close to a production car.


You mean, like a Factory Five car?....cuz they are way more than 10% uglier than a stock 33...........:D


Also Donny did you see you are not a Hot Rod!!!!:unibrow:

:thumbsup:

Also why is Donny not a hot rod?

Uhhh, I missed it. why is Donny not in Hot Rod?

Ed.Capen
01-10-2013, 11:41 AM
Donnie, Sorry I meant that "You are NOW a Hot Rod".:unibrow:

The 10% will be something that is decided by the tech guy and the AutoCross Official. If your cars has been highly modifed from the production base car then it will be looked at. If it resembles a production car and has been chopped or the wheel base changed but not over aggressive it will be OK. Goodguys is just trying to keep people from stripping down a car and making it as small and light as possible to have an advantage over stock cars.

As far as the Fuel Cell we need to have approved fuel cell, Fuel tanks and FIA and SFI are approved. No gas cans made into gas tanks and they need to be mounted secure.

Let's just go out and have fun at the AutoCross....:thumbsup:

dontlifttoshift
01-10-2013, 11:50 AM
T is not close enough to W on my keyboard to make that an acceptable typo.:lol:

Ok, so just like last year. A car runs in the appropriate class until it wins an event and then moves to Pro.

And Bryce, You're good to go.

Ed.Capen
01-10-2013, 12:44 PM
Donny,
Yes you have to win your class to be in the PRO-Class at the next event like last year.

PRO-Class points will be totaled from all classes that you drove in for the finals shootout.

Goodguy Ed :thumbsup:

Tomswheels
01-10-2013, 09:10 PM
Ed, can a late model car make it into the shoot out?

AutoX_a_Truck?
01-11-2013, 04:37 PM
So does everyone vote if a body mod is over 10% or is the decision made by one person. Your example would be a 100% body mod in my opinion. Does that mean as long as the overall size of the car is within 10% of stock. Example: if the stock wheelbase was 100" then anything between 90" and 110" would be within the 10% rule or if stock width is 60" then anything between 54" and 66" would be within the 10% rule. Can you please clarify this rule?

I am interested in how the rule functions as well. Certain elements of my truck such as wheelbase and cab dimensions are roughly within 10%. My bed length is not though. That said, all major body panels are from a '47 Chevy truck and my truck is a '47 Chevy truck both in form and legal registration. I guess my first question is what dimensions matter?

ccracin
01-12-2013, 02:07 PM
This is the direction all forms of racing eventually take. So what are the interpretations of the rules regarding the No Limit Hell Boy Truck, Trent Summers Truck, Ridetech's factory 5 33. Etc etc. These just to name a few are purpose built. Do they no longer count in the auto cross standings? Not trying to be a pain Ed, but I've been racing a long time and this type of thing is what has crippled local racing all over the country. Get rid of the money and get back to the start. Fun and bragging rights! Either way good luck, I love watching and will hopefully have our truck out there sooner rather than later. :thumbsup:

GregWeld
01-12-2013, 06:18 PM
All entries will have all body panels of such vehicle. (Fenders, doors, hood, deck lid and bed sides on trucks) body must be within 10% of original production. (Hot rod & Truck class have exception in rules)



THIS IS A SERIOUSLY STUPID RULE AT A HOT ROD SHOW.... Where modified cars are what you're trying to attract. I mean REALLY??

GregWeld
01-12-2013, 07:26 PM
This is the direction all forms of racing eventually take. So what are the interpretations of the rules regarding the No Limit Hell Boy Truck, Trent Summers Truck, Ridetech's factory 5 33. Etc etc. These just to name a few are purpose built. Do they no longer count in the auto cross standings? Not trying to be a pain Ed, but I've been racing a long time and this type of thing is what has crippled local racing all over the country. Get rid of the money and get back to the start. Fun and bragging rights! Either way good luck, I love watching and will hopefully have our truck out there sooner rather than later. :thumbsup:



Have to agree with you there Chad.... this WAS just good clean fun. The minute you introduce "rules" (other than basic safety) and money... the fun goes away - the "skirting" begins... and then comes the grumbling and the controversy.

I certainly don't understand the body mod rule... at a car show / hot rod event... I mean that's just flat counter intuitive to me. What's next - a Ford in a Ford? Period correct motors? Now you've got that wonderful growth org NCRS... :wow:

hp2
01-13-2013, 08:54 AM
Based on my exeriences with racing organizations, something that isn't blatently obvious that isn't delibertly being looked for, will likely be overlooked, until that minor difference is enough to give you a competitive advantage, then you will be held to the letter of the law.

I mean realistically, you have 3-5 inspectors looking over a few hundred cars? That means they are not breaking templates, tape measures, and factory service manuals for verification. However, if you and your car begin to walk away from the competition or consistently win, then expect things to be more closely scrutinized. At that point if your wheelbase is 15% wider and 12% shorter, then you will be called out for the violation.

If your vehicle is radically altered, then you may may have to accept the fact that you can only run in non scored catagories. Maybe then you can make a case of how your resultant times prove that your modifications provide no advantage and lobby for a rule change.

dontlifttoshift
01-13-2013, 10:43 AM
Actually, it self polices pretty well. When someone is fast everyone else wants to know why........when they find out Trent hears about it pretty quick.

ccracin
01-13-2013, 10:58 AM
I think Trent will have his hands full this year with these rules. While I love his truck, if it is not considered purpose built than everyone should be ok. :thumbsup:

bdahlg68
01-13-2013, 11:22 AM
Question on fuel tank / cell rule. If I have a BMW tank securely mounted in stock BMW position in a 68 Firebird, am I screwed?

ohsolowtrent
01-13-2013, 08:15 PM
No you are not screwed, as long as it is a safe, secure and makes sense. we said stock because that usually is the safest place on the car.

ccracin
01-13-2013, 08:25 PM
Glad to see you on here Trent. Hopefully you don't take my comment as an attack. I just get worried when I see rules like this show up. In my area this type of thing has ruined local short track racing. Car counts are down and no one can sell cars because every track had unique rules all in each promoters eyes as keeping the playing field "fair". I truly hope these events continue to be successful. I really think it adds a lot to a Goodguys event and I can't wait to participate! :thumbsup:

ohsolowtrent
01-13-2013, 09:25 PM
Chad I don't, been meaning to get on here for a while just been busy. the rules are simple most of them are to protect people from themselves, as far as the body rules we are just trying to keep the cars looking like what they represent, it was starting to show its ugly head last year the more you shorten, section, chop, narrow something you save weight so what we are doing will actually make it easier for everybody. you can still chop the top and make body mods, flare fenders ect.

Sieg
01-13-2013, 10:00 PM
I am not sure why that 10% rule even exists.

A officiating wildcard?

GrabberGT
03-11-2013, 06:50 AM
Does your Pro-Class designation carry over into the next year for car-driver combination?

dontlifttoshift
03-11-2013, 09:15 AM
No, anyone that drove their way into pro class last year starts in there regular class again this year.