My 67 Eternity Project Camaro

[Tony V]

**Disclaimer**
I'm a first timer and i'm doing this out of my garage...so many "redo's" and progress which seems to crawl at times...Actually i've been on this project for some time so i have enough information to share and hopefully inspire myself to keep going...

Starting Platform:
67 RS/SS Camaro i bought when i was in College
Dependable but looked good from 20 feet
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/before003-1_zps969707aa.jpg

Tore it down in 2001 to PT mod it...well marriage three boys later the project was "postponed" for some time. Here's the mods...scope changes and timing ultimately caused some further delays.

Front Clip: originally have one of the first Art Rassmusen's clips which i believe Wayne Duo managed after Art passed away....Now i have the DSE front assembly (scope creep....if my wife new what i had invested just in front clips...welll it wouldn't be pretty)
Rear Suspension: DSE suspension
Engine: LSX Block still in work...plans are a 700 fwhp N/A
Tranny: T56 Magnum sitting in the corner of the garage waiting
Radiator: PRC radiator and support assembly with dual fans
Vaporworx tank: shipping in a couple weeks...
Wilwood pedal & dual mstr cyl: should arrive next week
9" with 3:70 Wavetrac Diff: sitting in a box
Brakes: Baer 14" rotors with 6P calibers all four corners sitting in boxes in my garage
Wiring: I'm leaning towards the ISIS system...engine harness ??
ECU: ...still undecided


Ok here's some pictures
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/firststep007.jpg
after removing some more rust...
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Backviewofwithnotrunk.jpg

the first front clip mock up now obsolete
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/DSC01063.jpg
going back together
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Fullview_zpsffd81fc2.jpg

more progress pictures to come....

[KPC67]

Great project :thumbsup:
loving the plans for it!

[gordonr1973]

This is going to be a great project!!:thumbsup:

Are you keeping the same color scheme?

[Tony V]

This is going to be a great project!!:thumbsup:

Are you keeping the same color scheme?

I'm really bouncing back and forth on the color scheme....i was leaning towards the 2007 vette Lemans blue (which is quite dark) with the same z28 stripes but now i'm really considering the lighter earlier vintage lemans blue with a bumble bee stipe up front... don't have to decide for a couple more months....
I plan on finishing the bottom and painting it a gun metal grey in the next couple months....

[Flash68]

Welcome and great project. Let's hear more about that motor plan. :unibrow:

[Tony V]

ok here's some more pictures regarding some mods....i wanted to put a cross over member between the frame rails and i didn't want to pay for it so designed my own....i also wanted to integrate the transmission X-member and keep in flush with the floor so i can snug the exhaust up tight...

Making the loop.....tied to stay with the contour of the tunnel
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Firstattempt8.jpg

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0520.jpg

View from the top
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Finalfitandtack2.jpg

view from the bottom...http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/X-memberfrontviewinstalled2_zps71992f19.jpg


extremely happy the way it came out....it took two attempts to get what i want....

[Ron in SoCal]

That is great work Tony! :cheers:

[Tony V]

thanks Ron,

Im really happy the way it worked out the middle piece that drops out..i placed 2 cap screws on each side of it and resessed them so you can't see any bolts...took me awhile to fab it up but i finally got there....

i gotta really give some credit to a local shop in working with me on the tranny & shifter...had to mock up everything prior to welding it up and these guys "loaned" me a Magnum T56 & a couple shifter plates for trial fits....suppose he felt like he lived close enough that there wasn't alot of risk....besides he said he's driven by my house several times seeing me work on the camaro and was interested in what i was doing..... Needless to say i bought a tranny and shifter from these guys....

Next I'll post some pictures on how i smoothed the firewall...i just finished touching up some spots.....

[Tony V]

ok i'm going for the smooth look but with one exception....i plan on using bulkhead connectors for the engine harness and the ISIS harness therefore recessed the area behind the intake manifold so i can hide as much of the wiring as possible...

cutting out the necessary items to get a flat surface.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0485-1.jpg

transfered my cardboard cut out to sheetmetal
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0477-1.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0478.jpg

Cutout for the tunnel....this is where i had to fit the new tranny and decide how far i had to move the tunnel..
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0483-1.jpg

with the tunnel adjusted i started piecing the recessed panel in to get an idea how it was going to line up...
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0492-1.jpg

note from my wife....
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/pictures014.jpg


solution...so i put them to work on the Camaro..
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0511.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Closeupoftunnelampfirewall_zps1cf7c46f.jpg

I think it would've gone much faster if i had any sort of welding skills but i finally made it through and I like the way it came out...

[dug]

lookin good! keep at it, and keep the kids working :cheers:

[Tony V]

ok as i mentioned earlier things move relatively slow but i've vowed to make some progress....actually foregoing my annual SEMA outing to focus on the car...

here's some pics... lots of deliveries lately....3rd member with wavetrac and 35 spline axles
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0501.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/IMG_0501.jpg.html)

T56 magnum waiting for the install
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0498.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/IMG_0498.jpg.html)

housing fully assembled.....
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0044_zps327535bc.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/IMG_0044_zps327535bc.jpg.html)

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0043_zpsaa246deb.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/IMG_0043_zpsaa246deb.jpg.html)

Now i had to get the bottom ready for Lizard Skin....used an etching primer first then went to a build primer to assure i had a barrier between metal and Lizard Skin...LS is water base and you had to assure there's no metal contact.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0041_zps4ecd3637.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/IMG_0041_zps4ecd3637.jpg.html)

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0051_zps693d17e4.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/IMG_0051_zps693d17e4.jpg.html)

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0053_zpsde8336ca.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/IMG_0053_zpsde8336ca.jpg.html)

i decided to paint the bottom to cover the LS with a single stage urethane per the recommendations from the rep....i'm going with a gray color similar to the Trans Am Racing look which i'll do inside the hood also...

I'll have picture shortly on how the paint came out...
also working on door skins in between coats..
Heads arrived this week along with the intake so i'll be heading out to the machine shop to start the engine build but i was shocked how expensive 1 ga of single stage urethane cost....$350 WOW trips like that will delay engine hardware....

shooting for Monday to put the car back on wheels (actually they're just rollers but nevertheless) haven't been on wheels for 13 yrs!!!!!!! just painted the DSE quad links to match the rear end housing so maybe i'll have some good pics of progress next wee.

Also i had a good friend come over to help roll the qtr panel lip....came out wonderfull and he did with a body and hammer and metal file...it was like watching someone doing sculpting... i'll have pictures also...

[ChuckDriver]

Nice work, should make for a very cool ride!

[Roger Edwards]

Looks good. Keep the updates coming.

[Tony V]

As promised I'm making some progress...here's some pics of the bottom. I got so far ahead of myselft that i didn't take a picture when it was on the rotisserie.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Rearendassembledandpainted_zps5354b229.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/Rearendassembledandpainted_zps5354b229.jpg.html)
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/rearaxleinstalled2_zpse404fc52.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/rearaxleinstalled2_zpse404fc52.jpg.html)

Now i'm working on steering column and pedal assemble. because i've chosen to mount my master cylinder inside the firewall i've had to get a bit creative with space.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Pedalsandcolumnfit_zps531dc361.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/Pedalsandcolumnfit_zps531dc361.jpg.html)
I made the pedal assembly adjustable (fwd and aft) approx 2.5" just becuase i felt like i needed to account for some flexibility.

[Tony V]

Ok now i had some fun with rims and tires.....i a friend from work who's working on a 67 who has already purchased some rims and tires and let me fit them on my car. 18" 275 up front and 19" 325 in the back....really liked the look and now i'm sure i have room for 335's
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Leftsideviewofreartire_zps8ddb633d.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/Leftsideviewofreartire_zps8ddb633d.jpg.html)
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Reartirefit3_zps7b60a0aa.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/Reartirefit3_zps7b60a0aa.jpg.html)
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Frontviewoflefttirefit_zps1417830e.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/Frontviewoflefttirefit_zps1417830e.jpg.html)
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Reartirefit2_zpsb4db91b4.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/Reartirefit2_zpsb4db91b4.jpg.html)
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/sideviewofbothtirefits3_zps7694de7c.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/sideviewofbothtirefits3_zps7694de7c.jpg.html)
Now i'm putting it all together for panel fit and preping for primer....this week i'll tackle door skins and primer.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Frontassembled2_zps9ae740e6.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/Frontassembled2_zps9ae740e6.jpg.html)
one more teaser...engine mock up with heads and intake...looking to send to off to the engine builder next week:G-Dub:
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/EndingMockup_zps5b4ffea4.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/EndingMockup_zps5b4ffea4.jpg.html)

[Sonar Chief]

Nice progress ... car is looking awesome! I especially like the painted Lizard Skin look on the bottom, thinking about painting mine after application of Lizard SKin now!! Did you use the entire 2 gallons or did you use more?

Can you post up some of those fender rolling pictures ... that is a good fit on those 325's. Did you do anything other than the tubs and a roll on the lip?

Thanks for sharing.

Michael

[waynieZ]

Nice job its looking good!

[32deucecoupe]

Who's sheet metal did you use for the front fenders? How did it fit up.

[tubbed69]

Great job so far,you are building a nice ride,cool picture of your boy working on it:thumbsup:

[luismag7]

Nice ride... looks like your making great progress; Stay after it.

[Tony V]

Nice progress ... car is looking awesome! I especially like the painted Lizard Skin look on the bottom, thinking about painting mine after application of Lizard SKin now!! Did you use the entire 2 gallons or did you use more?

Can you post up some of those fender rolling pictures ... that is a good fit on those 325's. Did you do anything other than the tubs and a roll on the lip?

Thanks for sharing.

Michael

Thanks Michael...i've only used ~1/2ga to cover the entire bottom although its mixed 4:1:1 with hardner & reducer... The Lizard skin soaks it up so we put on 4 to 5 coats... I couldn't say anything bad about the PPG "concept" brand although it was a bit expensive, i didn't get any overspray and the finish came out perfect.

I'll post some pictures another "wish i had taken some pictures before taking it off the rotisserie". Nothing special, used DSE tubs and the wheels had a 6" back space. let me get in there and attempt some better pictures for ya....

[Tony V]

Who's sheet metal did you use for the front fenders? How did it fit up.

Well i think i used every sheet metal vendor out there and nothing really fits...here's what i did...when i was ready to weld in the qtrs...i completely reassembled the car using all the old rusty/banged up pieces to align my qtrs...once i got the qtrs on and welded i replaced door skins, hood and fenders. all of my gaps are looking exceptionally good...only the right door to qtr fit need some extra work other than that the hood and door gaps look really good.

I bought from Goodmark, Classic Industries (OER), AMD and can't say one is better than the other...

[KPC67]

Loving the progress you are making.
You went about the sheet metal the right way. one thing at a time.
Sure wish I would have been that smart:bang:
Love the stance it has with your buddy's wheels.

[Tony V]

Ok, got a better picture of the wheel lip and a did a quick measurement...at the thinnest spot its ~.410" and its "rolled back" betweenthe 10 and 2 positions.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0057_zps2b5d0571.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/IMG_0057_zps2b5d0571.jpg.html)

Now i'm working the body for primer prep....here's where i've "cheated" and hired someone to show me how. Pete came over with some bullseye picks and hammer and dolly to help straigten out small dings and low spots... one thing i was surprised was how you can fix a spot thats "oil canning" as Pete would call it. my passenger side qtr panel in the sail section towards the roof was indented or "soft" to the touch. He used his pick and hammer to stiffen it and straighten it so we don't need to fill it with filler. i'm kinda just watchin and learning at this point

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/RtqtrPreppingforprimer2_zps3a47e7b3.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/RtqtrPreppingforprimer2_zps3a47e7b3.jpg.html)

Qtr ready to go
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Ltqtrpreppingforprimer_zpsdb02ab06.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/Ltqtrpreppingforprimer_zpsdb02ab06.jpg.html)

Fender ready to go
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Ltfenderpreppingforprimer_zpscf52e66b.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/Ltfenderpreppingforprimer_zpscf52e66b.jpg.html)

Door skins going on...BTW gotta send a big thanks to Michael because spraying the Lizard Skin on prior to putting the skin on was a big time saver.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/doorskinning2_zps25327ff9.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/e071307/media/doorskinning2_zps25327ff9.jpg.html)

Still shooting for the first coat of primer on prior to Thanksgiving.

[Tony V]

Time to post some more updates…progress is slow and steady. Trying not to cut any corners but the anticipation of finishing this someday is killing me….and my wife.

Here’s some of the things I’ve worked on since the last post:
• Dry sump tank installation
• Engine bay down bars
• Brake lines
• Brake/Clutch reservoir installation
• Console customization
• Battery/Power distribution panel install
• Fuel Tank and wiring install
• Throwing money at the engine build
Updates mean nothing without pics so here’s some documentation:
My Dry sump “relocation” program has taken an extensive amount of time and I’m still not done. Actually I once gave up and welded the cowl back up and after trying to find another location I cut the cowl back off to take another run at it, so I’m a bit stubborn. Working on the access door has proved to be the most difficult. I found that the an early 2000’s Hyundai fuel door fits in the top fender area nicely therefore I’m using that as my “model” although the hinge doesn’t get me the tight gap lines so I’m going to use a chevy fuel door hinge…..this is a work in progress. I had Peterson build me a tank especially for the cowl area and optimize my volume therefore I’ve gotta figure out how to make it work.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0169_zpsaaa7c573.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0171_zpsba20e821.jpg
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http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0153_zps8e49359b.jpg

I noticed once on got the car on all fours again that there was still some flex in the front clip when I jack the car so I decided to add some support bars. I’m using the slick bar flanges from Chris at ….. and used some 1”emt to mock up what angles and where to position the mounts. As you can see I made pockets in the front wheel wells to receive the bar flanges. Now just need to get some 13/4” bars bent and I’ll weld them in.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0180_zps4752ce16.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0182_zps68ff2364.jpg

[Tony V]

Got my front brakes plumbed and routed, used the emergency brake hole in the fire wall and I welded in 1/8” female threaded pipe and welded them into the frame, then to clean up the fittings I made my own “tee”.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0164_zps376427dc.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0167_zps57939ee2.jpg

Also worked on getting the master cylinders installed and plumbed. I’m hoping not the regret this down the road but having everything under the dash makes it real clean but any maintenance or adjustments will make it burdensome.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Pedalsandcolumnfit_zps531dc361.jpg


I recently saw a console from a late model Camaro with some instrumentation mods. I really liked it and set off to mimic it. Lot of work but it looks real good (first time I worked with plastics) but I’m happy with it so far although I’ll go get the entire piece dipped (hydro graphics – carbon fiber visuals). I’ll also relocate the E-Brake to the console.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0188_zpsc4ffcf44.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0192_zpsaaa1cd4b.jpg
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http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0195_zps2bfa6d51.jpg
Really spending some time on optimizing wiring and routing…..so for some background info I’m using the ISIS system with a trunk mounted battery. Secondly I’m also using the Vaporworx fuel system so to make it compact and clean I decided to build a “rear power distribution” panel sitting between the battery and back seat. I used both sides of the panel to optimize space and clean up the wire runs. I’ll powder coat the metal black along with the tank once I get everything fitted, wires run and mounts established.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Slide5_zpsfa061ca7.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Slide6_zps22fda4d9.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0176_zps98ea60ca.jpg
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http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0150_zpsd99d631c.jpg



Also working the entire wiring diagram for the car and I’ll use the existing ’67 style switches for activation, a lot of detail and thought before starting cutting and terminating wires. I’ll also use military style round bulkhead connectors, 1 for the 12v requirements up front and 1 connector for the Holley ECU.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Slide4_zpscc052589.jpg




No pics on the engine build yet….i would’ve assumed it would’ve been down by now but as I’ve realized everything is underestimated cost and time…Waiting on the Callie Crank apparently they didn’t have any 8 bolt cranks on the shelf. So we’re waiting Crank and Cam everything else is here waiting for assembly.

[WSSix]

Glad to see you still plugging away at this. I like what you're doing. Good luck!

[Ron in SoCal]

Love all the thought, hard work and parts you're putting into this Tony. I do have one request tho...post more often? :cheers:

[Tony V]

Love all the thought, hard work and parts you're putting into this Tony. I do have one request tho...post more often? :cheers:

i agree Ron....not enough posts. Little League is almost over so i'm hoping for some more Camaro time.

Thanks for the encouragement

[tubbed69]

Tony,very nice work so far and like Ron says more updates.:thumbsup:

[Lrayzer]

Just found this build and it is inspiring!
Bought my 67 in 76. Did a frame off in 79
I started my second (more indepth) frame off rebuild in 1984, same year I got married, had my first child, 3 houses 4 kids later I still have it as a roller, in the shop, married budget was always bad, divorced is worse, but It will get done along with the other projects.
Keep posting I love the build, keep us revved up !
You were right, Kids first, Camaro 2nd, good dad !

[n77nxc]

Great looking project! Keep up the good work.

[Tony V]

thanks guys for the "boost" it helps especially when you've looked at this as long as i have...noticed missed uploading a pic with the console in 1 pc

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0197_zpsc4d8adf3.jpg

I'm going "dip" it here relatively soon along with center piece of the dash...

[130fe]

Console insert looks good. I am going to try and mock mine up next week and drop it off to get it recovered.

[Tony V]

All right I’m still plugging away, spent a ton of time working engine stuff over the summer….actually the first year in 10yrs i didn't go to SEMA because i wanted to make some progress, sounds like i missed a good show.

Here are a couple pics showing the fruits of my labor (mostly my cash)…
Front cover on with Oil Pump on the side
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Frontcoveron_zps368be1ed.jpg
Side view
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Oilpumpinstalled2_zps04bfde66.jpg
Waiting on push rods and Holley HP kit….then we’ll make some hydrocarbons
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/fullyassembled_zps790c7b70.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/fullyassembledsideview_zps7a7ce07a.jpg
Dyno run planned for Tues but likely I’m thinking Wednesday regardless I’ll have it back in my garage for final fit tests for the Thanksgiving weekend.

[waynieZ]

Your doing a beautiful job on this, and you have some great ideas. The console looks like it's a factory piece. Nice build.

[SlowProgress]

For some reason I never knew you had a build thread - looking great and the engine is going to be cool. SUBSCRIBED !

[Tony V]

Your doing a beautiful job on this, and you have some great ideas. The console looks like it's a factory piece. Nice build.

Thanks Wayne, i'm happy the way it turned out and with my new gauges it looks real sharp. i'm going to attemp to hydrodip/hydrograph (what ever you want to call it) myself. bought the "DIY" kit, already tried a sample piece and it seems relatively easy. i'll post some pics of the progress shortly.

[Tony V]

For some reason I never knew you had a build thread - looking great and the engine is going to be cool. SUBSCRIBED !

Thanks Scott,
Should give eveyone a little back story, Scott and i work together so we're sharing lessons learned as we go. Although i've got a 10yr head start on my project he's making a ton more progress and catching up quickly.
Actually in post #15 those are Scott's wheels and tires, it was great of him to let me fit them to get a handle on what i can fit for my car. how many people do you know would let you trial fit your brand new wheels and tires...they aren't cheap!

[waynieZ]

Tony where did you get the kit from ? The things they do with that stuff is amazing.

[Sonar Chief]

Tony .... any progress on the ISIS install? Would like feedback concerning the installation and operations of this upgrade :G-Dub:

That engine looks killer :goggles:

[Tony V]

Tony where did you get the kit from ? The things they do with that stuff is amazing.

MYDIPKIT.com

What i've found was the size of the water container makes the biggest impact on how it comes (Size does matter :lol: ) Ideally you want a container 1" bigger on every side, i've got idea to make this flexible and if it works i'll forward some pics.

I'm still working on trials, next is a set of extra LS valve covers I don't plan on using...

[Tony V]

Tony .... any progress on the ISIS install? Would like feedback concerning the installation and operations of this upgrade :G-Dub:

That engine looks killer :goggles:

Thanks Chief....I'm really procrastinating to make sure i do it only once. right now i'm i'm ordering connectors and sample running wires. I haven't fully convinced myself where i'm mounting the front units, not enough room under the console so i'm looking at the glove box but anything is up for grabs. i'll have a full set of schematics and i'm using the original camaro switches, if it works i'll share....

[Tony V]

ok i've been accused of posting every 6 months....being that i'm seeing some light at the end of this journey i'll start catching up to to posts...

first here's the proofs i ordered, Mark was great to work with and i got exactly what i ordered and when they promised.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Proofsheet_zpsce8c88f8.jpg

Here's quick photo of all the gauges in
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/AllGaugeview_zps30428573.jpg

close up of the console....i haven't dipped it yet but its painted and ready...
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/consolegauges_zps56b757a0.jpg

[Spiffav8]

ok i've been accused of posting every 6 months....being that i'm seeing some light at the end of this journey i'll start catching up to to posts...

first here's the proofs i ordered, Mark was great to work with and i got exactly what i ordered and when they promised.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Proofsheet_zpsce8c88f8.jpg

Here's quick photo of all the gauges in
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/AllGaugeview_zps30428573.jpg

close up of the console....i haven't dipped it yet but its painted and ready...
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/consolegauges_zps56b757a0.jpg

Way to go! The center console looks awesome!!

:captain:

[waynieZ]

Thanks Tony. It looks nice, I can't wait to see it dipped.

[jwcarguy]

it will probably look something like this

[waynieZ]

Sweet !

[Tony V]

JW that's what i'm shooting for regarding the console....thx

Dyno run is officially off for until the week of the 8th. Didn't get the Holley stuff in time and with the holiday this week and i'm out of the country the following week we're in the holding pattern until i get back.

so i'll work on wiring and plumbing.....

[Tony V]

Time for an update….lots of things have happened since Nov….
First off we finally made some hydrocarbons…..got it in the test cell. Very satisfied with the experience and would recommend the engine builder anytime and with it being the first time I used a Holley ECU it was very helpful having the Holley rep there working the laptop and showing me the basics as we tuned it. Overall I missed my estimate on cost…but that’s been a given every step of the way..
A couple caveats which doesn’t mean much but I was told prior to the test we were going to use 1 7/8” primary headers but he only had 1 ¾” so not sure what I left on the table but I’m still extremely happy with the outcome. I would’ve bought some for the run if I had known ahead of time…The other was I had to use 91 octane so only put in 28 degrees of timing at WOT…..Wasn’t really worried about a peak number just concerned if it will affect my tune with bigger headers….betting it won’t.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/OntheDyno_zpsd68b2f30.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/DynoPull8datasheet_zps190dd90d.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/DynoRun8Graph_zpsd8600c66.jpg
Chief you asked about my progress with the ISIS (Now Infinity Box) its coming but I’m really moving at glacier speed….Since my earlier posts I’ve changed some routings and functionalities. Actually the help I get from Infinity Box when I call is phenomenal……I’m using Delphi style weatherpak connectors for all my internal connections and military spec flange plugs for the fire wall. I’m also going to redo and optimize the Holley harness and connect that through a mil spec plug on the fire wall.
Here’s the Holley Harness before I molest it….
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Harnessonboard_zps5723cbd5.jpg
Here’s my 12v source for the rear of the car, I’ve also incorporated the PWM from the Vaporworx tank,
Top
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/RearPowerDistPanelpainteduninstalled_zps0832f987.j pg
Bottom
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/RearPowerDistPanelupsidedownpainteduninstalled_zps 1ecbfb43.jpg
Installed, use your imagination the battery will be in front of it…
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/RearPowerDistPanelpaintedampInstalled_zps3927cfca. jpg
So I’m starting in the back with my wiring on the tank and will work my way up to tail lights….here’s my connection for the tank consisting of Pump pwr, fuel gauge and pressure regulator..
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/FuelCannonPlug_zps64db2950.jpg
Connected (but its upside down )
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/FuelHarnessinstalled_zpse0230895.jpg

I'd like to drive my to fans with the Holley HP...if anyone has any tips let me know. all i need is "ground" outputs from the ECU..the infinitybox system will take it from there. I'm just guessing but i think i can set these two outputs to trigger a ground output at two different temps...anyone know the system better than I?

thanks for checking in....

[waynieZ]

Some sweet numbers right there for sure! I like the set up for the power in the back and the power for the fuel power and sender, slick idea. Nice work.

[Tony V]

Ok for some more updates; Still plugging away at this thing. Couple issues have arose first around engine fitment. I knew the dry sump was going to be close but until I could get it in I didn’t know which way. I’m using the DSE subframe with the 1 ½” offset motor mounts and when I reviewed and checked my dimensions with Bill at Dailey I knew it was going to be tight……well it turned out be about ½” too tight so we had to modify the subframe.
Dry Sump clearance

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Dry%20Sump%20Clearance%20Top%201_zpsuapkvd7k.jpg

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Dry%20Sump%20Clearance%20Bottom%202_zps45gbalk1.jp g

Here’s the results,….had to modify the motor mount and move the nut plate to accommodate along with a “notch” to fit the pump and pan.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Subframe%20cut%20out%20top%20view_zps6rsrbx35.jpg

Headers
Also grabbed some headers on line….2” Lemons. I spoke with Dan at lemons and he assured me that they we’re built to fit the DSE subframe and they do “kinda”. I believe they would’ve fit just fine if I didn’t have the 1 ½” offset motor mounts. Very slight rub on the passenger side, probably 1/8” at the most. I’ll notch the a-arm perch to fit it, but nothing major. Really happy with the way they fit regarding ground clearance and engine compartment

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Header%20Clearance%20Passenger%20side%203_zpshrmiv e6i.jpg

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Header%20Clearance%20Drive%20side%20_zpsojbzc9ka.j pg
Very happy with the ground clearance……
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Header%20Clearance%20Bottom%202_zpsmdl3smkt.jpg

[Tony V]

Firewall Plugs;
Ran into Murphy’s law regarding the wiring…….but I’m glad I noticed it now. I’m going to have to move the ECU Harness plug on the right to the left side….with the backshell on the plug it will hit my oil pressure sender….
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Firewall%20Plugs%20front%20view%201_zpsmizx26id.jp g
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Firewall%20Plugs%20top%20view%201_zpspeffcsmc.jpg

Down Bars:
Bent and mocked up some down bars….you can see I tried to move the front mount position as far forward and possible, a better moment arm to absorb some deflection. Wasn’t going to install them at all but I did notice some deflection when I was jacking up the car therefore I went for it…
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/DriverSidemockup_zps166ebe21.jpg
Making Progress with the wiring and incorporating the ISIS (Infinity Box) system and the HP Holley Harness. Tail/Brakes lights are done along with the entire fuel system. I’m also slowly modifying the entire Holley harness (didn’t plan on it but its happening, ugh scope creep). But there’s several things the Infinity Box can handle much cleaner thus making the ECU harness easier….i’m also making my own schematics as a go so its taking some time in finalizing… just one example the main harness comes with a relay and fuse for the fuel pump and to power the injectors and coils. I was able to eliminate the entire relay by utilizing the Infinity system to drive those functions. I’m also running my fans through the Infinity box…nothing real fancy like PWM but I’ll have two outputs from the Holley HP (2 different temp outputs) those outputs will trigger the Infinity box to turn on and off the fans. To handle the sudden spike in amps we’ll have it programed to slow ramp therefore I don’t need to wire additional relays…..

[andrewb70]

....

I'd like to drive my to fans with the Holley HP...if anyone has any tips let me know. all i need is "ground" outputs from the ECU..the infinitybox system will take it from there. I'm just guessing but i think i can set these two outputs to trigger a ground output at two different temps...anyone know the system better than I?

thanks for checking in....

A much more elegant solution would be to drive the fans via PWM. This can be done with the Holley HP and a C6 Corvette fan controller.

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Andrew

[Tony V]

Totally agree, and i've read through your post many times.....but I've got to stick to my plan or i'll never finish this project. I've been watching our post regularly and picked up several good points, i just can't start changing again. Although if i find out the "digital event" of turning the fans on and off don't work out for me i'll modify down the road. i've got a goal to get this running in the garage by Christmas time....

Thx for the tips I appreciate it.....

[andrewb70]

Totally agree, and i've read through your post many times.....but I've got to stick to my plan or i'll never finish this project. I've been watching our post regularly and picked up several good points, i just can't start changing again. Although if i find out the "digital event" of turning the fans on and off don't work out for me i'll modify down the road. i've got a goal to get this running in the garage by Christmas time....

Thx for the tips I appreciate it.....

No problem. I was just answering that you yourself posed...LOL

The wiring changes to implement PWM are easy and the benefits are many. I can tell you that with my Cougar, I barely hear the fans in normal driving conditions, while in my GTO the fans are so annoying, cycling ON/OFF at full blast. They make more noise than the exhaust.

Andrew

[Tony V]

ok i'll bite :bang: because I think PWM is the way to go....

question, should I control both fans with 1 controller or use two different controllers.....

Your comment about the fan noise made me reconsider my "no change policy".....

My neighbor bought a brand new F150 and when the fan is on you can't hear sh**, not real ideal in my opinion..

[andrewb70]

ok i'll bite :bang: because I think PWM is the way to go....

question, should I control both fans with 1 controller or use two different controllers.....

Your comment about the fan noise made me reconsider my "no change policy".....

My neighbor bought a brand new F150 and when the fan is on you can't hear sh**, not real ideal in my opinion..

There is a lot of info here:

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=40215

Some pertaining to Holley but mostly to stock ECUs. I recall that someone in that thread said that they used a single controller for dual Spal fans. John Parsons is working on a LS9 Camaro and is using two controllers.

What kind of fans are you using?

Andrew

[Tony V]

I'm using the PRC core support with 2 13" spal fans

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0184_zps4d96ca42.jpg

Thanks for the info...let me dig into it and see i can make it happen without changing too much....2 steps forward 1 step backwards.....but

the PWM might be the way to go and I'd hate to finish and find out all I can hear is fan noise...unless i run open headers.....:unibrow:

[Tony V]

BTW before someone jumps on it....in the pic I bent conduit for mock up purposes only....

[andrewb70]

Spal seems to make a few different 13" fans. Do you know the amp draw?

Andrew

[Tony V]

with them directly hooked up to my battery...13.5v

turn on spiked at 45amps ea
continuous draw at 15amps ea

[andrewb70]

with them directly hooked up to my battery...13.5v

turn on spiked at 45amps ea
continuous draw at 15amps ea

I think one controller will do it. There will be no spike at start up, because of the PWM activation. The C6 fan is rated at 400 watts, which at your 13.5v comes out to just under 30amps. Also keep in mind that the fan controller max speed is 90% duty cycle, although I don't know what that means for amp draw at max speed.

You can always install a single controller and wire it to a single fan and see what the draw is at 90% duty cycle. I bet it'll be less that 15 amps, in which case two fans should be fine.

Andrew

[WSSix]

Looks good, Tony. Keep at it and you'll get there eventually. :thumbsup:

[Tony V]

thanks Andrew....i'll start shopping for a controller and modify the schematic to accommodate, looks pretty straight forward especially with your post.


Thanks for kind words Trey, its a labor of love but I see end coming soon....

[andrewb70]

thanks Andrew....i'll start shopping for a controller and modify the schematic to accommodate, looks pretty straight forward especially with your post.


Thanks for kind words Trey, its a labor of love but I see end coming soon....

FWIW, there are a couple of threads on LS1tech that mention a Chrysler PWM controller. They are less expensive than the C6 controller and they seem to work the same way. Might look into that and run 2 of them.

The C6 controllers are about $100 from Amazon.

Andrew

[Tony V]

thanks Andrew....i'm convinced. ordered the C6 controller, got a spot ready to mount it. Now i'm trying to source the connector, i think I saw some info on the connector on an earlier post..

Really appreciate the heads, probably a 100% better going with the PWM.

[andrewb70]

thanks Andrew....i'm convinced. ordered the C6 controller, got a spot ready to mount it. Now i'm trying to source the connector, i think I saw some info on the connector on an earlier post..

Really appreciate the heads, probably a 100% better going with the PWM.

Glad to help.

Scot might have more connectors:

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=50466

This is another reason why I used the C6 fan. They come with the connector and my Dorman fan was somehow only 80 bucks on Amazon.

Andrew

[Tony V]

already reached out to Scot....and yes you got a hell of a deal with your fan and controller.

when i get everything wired up i'll let you know how it worked out...

[andrewb70]

already reached out to Scot....and yes you got a hell of a deal with your fan and controller.

when i get everything wired up i'll let you know how it worked out...

For the fan connection I used the Metripack series 480 connectors. I have all the parts you need, if you are interested.

Andrew

[Tony V]

i'm interested....

[Tony V]

And the progress continues….slow but I’m making headway. I’ve been in the “electrical penalty box” for some time. Totally underestimated the time it was going to take, oh and the cost. The little crap adds up after months of building, undoing, rebuilding…etc.etc…
So I finished the harness under the dash….really struggled with how clean I wanted to route everything and simplify if I could. Actually I made this much harder and costlier by wanting to use firewall plugs and modifying the Holley harness maybe after time I’d feel different but I’m second guessing myself.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Dash%20Cluster_zpscld05zf4.jpg

But its done….I can pull the entire harness out relatively easy to modify and add functionality down the road. I’m also planning on running the car in primer to make sure everything works as planned; it will have to come apart for paint next winter. I did power it up “slowly” looking for spikes in amps using a DC generator rather than a battery so I don’t apply infinite amps immediately…..so no small fires. I was able to fire up the ECU and download. Gauges worked thus far so we’re getting close. Pulling the engine 1 last time to finalize the tranny harness, and terminate the leads.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Guages%20Installed_zpskneucbzh.jpg


Next big step was the accessories…really had a hard time with the cost of buying a $2500 off the shelf system. I also wanted to run initially without A/C and later upgrade without modifying the basic setup. Found a local supplier, just by chance and they we’re great to work with and the fit was exactly what I was looking for. I believe adding up all the receipts I’m at ~$750. Still need to plumb the power steering and the alternator comes in this week, after that I’ll size the belt and call it done.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Installed_zpsunv28ubv.jpg

Plumbed the dry sump although I need to route the tank drain line, my thought was to run a line straight down to the floor and hard mount it through the floor with a bulk head -8 fitting and just cap it and safety wire it.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0325_zpsrbxtbens.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Radiator%20Installed_zpspajcsbtf.jpg

Next route the fuel line from the tank to the “Y” block in the engine compartment. Any suggestions I’d appreciate it but it looks like by best option brings the fuel line up and over the exhaust at the corner of the fuel tank……need to get some pics for clarity.

The goal is to start this thing up by the end of Feb……huge milestone considering this project started in the fall of 1999!!!! BTW I suck at posting updates….

[will69camaro]

Where did you get your milspec connectors and what size are you running and where? I'm doing this exact thing and have been struggling with where to mount them and what pin out to use.

I am interested in this PWM C6 controller for the fans, as I'm using the two 14" Maradyn that come with the autorad and looks like they each pull max 17.2amp once running (not sure startup amp if not using the PWM controller).

Appreciate the information in your thread, I'd like to pick your brain on the modifications to the holley harness as I'll be doing that in the very near future!

William

[Tony V]

I found the Consesys catalog the most use friendly one.....i stayed with the series II type connector. http://www.conesys.com/

I'm on the road right now but i can give you the pin outs and part numbers later this week when i get back home. I also used the Infinitybox electrical system rather than using a standard camaro harness so my pin out is relatively unique.

[will69camaro]

Thanks I'll take a look at that. Yea I saw you're using the infinity. That's fine as it just makes the body harness diff. Holley is my biggest headache trying to figure mil spec harnesses for.

[WSSix]

Progress is progress, Tony. Keep it up! Car is looking good.

[Tony V]

Progress is progress, Tony. Keep it up! Car is looking good.

Thanks Trey, getting real close. A group of us (all car guys) from work will hold an "event" at first start up....so all the guys are waiting to drink my beer and smell freshly burned hydrocarbons.....hopefully it starts!

[Tony V]

Where did you get your milspec connectors and what size are you running and where? I'm doing this exact thing and have been struggling with where to mount them and what pin out to use.


Pics of the two pin-outs for the Holley ECU
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Slide1_zpsyccdvxpn.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Slide2_zpsv06p9uah.jpg


I am interested in this PWM C6 controller for the fans, as I'm using the two 14" Maradyn that come with the autorad and looks like they each pull max 17.2amp once running (not sure startup amp if not using the PWM controller).

I measured 45 startup amps for one fan, quick spike and then 15amps continuous.

Appreciate the information in your thread, I'd like to pick your brain on the modifications to the holley harness as I'll be doing that in the very near future!

William

Good luck with the build!

[Tony V]

forgot to include the part numbers of the connectors....

MS3476A22-41P
MS3472A22-41S
MS3476A22-12P
MS3472A22-12S

[Tony V]

Progress is progress…..Got it running although not until April but ITS RUNNING!!!! After 16 years the Camaro is making noise again. One minor issue, considering my novice skills and all the custom wiring I’m extremely happy. I accidentally swapped the signal & Pwr wire on the Crank Signal pigtail. Delayed me a couple hrs but figured it out. Actually if you follow the Holley “start up” instructions closely you can’t really go wrong. The HP has a min basic requirements for running and it wasn’t getting an “RPM” read so it didn’t take long to pinpoint the issue.
Seats are in and I’m working the final fit for the console and gauges…Steering wheel installed and I’m working on throttle pedal placement. I believe I’ll need to move it up approx. 1.5” to get the right toe/heel position.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0332_zpsv7rm2sm3.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0330_zpstranrl0b.jpg

Had to modify the hood due to the engine set back towards the firewall, now working the air cleaner base to clear the hood when closed. A lot harder than originally planned and with a 4500 style TB and needing a 1” drop base there wasn’t an option I could find on the market so I’m fab’g my own. Also didn’t want to go any higher with the cowl induction hood.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0337_zpsck7i4awy.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0340_zps83bhior2.jpg

Ordered Wheels last month, so looking for a late August delivery, here’s a rendering from Jason.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/wheel%20rendering%20pic_zpsex2rahii.jpg

I had an idea on BS and size but to feel fully comfortable I started over and assured I was squared from corner to corner and made my own wheel fitment tool out of all thread. Wheels cost too much to get it wrong.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Meas%20Wheel%20clearance_zpsy0nww8hf.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Suspension%20alignment%203_zpsvdzvuszh.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Suspension%20alignment%202_zpsamhvpplh.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/Suspension%20alignment%201_zpszl8t2qe5.jpg


Goals: need to be on the road by Oct 1, Goes to the exhaust shop next Saturday. Then I need to order a drive shaft and front & rear glass. Also need to spend some time on setting up the suspension and corner weights. I’ll drive it with primer until next year until I can vet out all the mechanical systems.
First Race event scheduled for Nov 5, hopefully I can iron out all the issues that arise.

[Sonar Chief]

Nice progress .... car looks great and hopefully the mechanical gremlins will be small ones!!!

Questions on your seats ... which ones are those? Who's brackets did you use?

Keep on keeping on ....

Michael

[Tony V]

Nice progress .... car looks great and hopefully the mechanical gremlins will be small ones!!!

Questions on your seats ... which ones are those? Who's brackets did you use?

Keep on keeping on ....

Michael

Thanks Chief, I used the Corbeau CR1 “skinny” version and I only got the sliders. Local shop was a dealer and they had several different versions to sit in and try them out. I like it although the skinny version is tight but comfortable at the moment but any extra lbs I wouldn’t fit. It also fits well with the Gen V console, I don’t think the wide version would fit.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0361_zpsju4qfnt7.jpg~original

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/IMG_0360_zps3zhrgdri.jpg

I made my own bracket trying to keep the lowest profile as possible so to get as much head room as possible.

appreciate the comments...

[waynieZ]

Tony, the car is looking great. I have a GM connect and cruise harness I would like to shorten and use a connector like you used, but all those new pin conections make me nervous. My hands don't work like they use to infact my brother called me shaky Jake when he would see me doing intricate work.
Very Nice work!

Do you have any pictures of the brackets you used to install the console?

[Tony V]

Tony, the car is looking great. I have a GM connect and cruise harness I would like to shorten and use a connector like you used, but all those new pin conections make me nervous. My hands don't work like they use to infact my brother called me shaky Jake when he would see me doing intricate work.
Very Nice work!

Do you have any pictures of the brackets you used to install the console?

Wayne, the circular plugs (especially the larger gauge) are easier than the delphi style plugs as long as you have the right crimper and tools. I do recommend buying the "metal" insertion/extraction tools instead of relying on the plastic ones that accompany the order.

I mounted the E-brake first and then mounted my "Infinity box" electronics below my cluster gauges. The E-brake and metal housing for the electronics are my hard mounts for the console. I'll try to get some pics to better explain.

thanks for the kind words....

[Tony V]

hey Wayne only have one pic...i'm going to have to take the console out to get you some pics but not until i get it back from the exhaust shop....thought i had some but couldn't find any.

circled the one screw in red, its mounted to the E-Brake frame
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk174/e071307/8cf98d7d-e8bc-409e-b8bf-63d32271fb58_zpsoq7ixtqq.jpg

[waynieZ]

Thanks Tony, I appreciate the help. Don't pull the console just for me, I don't want you back stepping because of me. I have the hand brake and original shifter I'm going to use. I'd like to figure a way not to have to cut the big hole like the 6 spd has sinse the auto shifter only has the arm that goes throught the floor. I'll be watching to see what you do next.

Thanks!

[Tony V]

here's an update, although I had to give up using my computer. It was blocking the Lat-g site so I'm using my wife...shhhh she's still sleeping.

lots has happened since the last post, I prep'd and primer'd all external panels and finally purchased wheels and tires. Extremely happy with the fit and look, although the front is really right at the max, running a 18x10 275 and i get a small rub but i believe the coil overs need to be tightened a bit which would give me some more room.

Here's a couple laps around the block with the boys, they had a blast finally getting a ride.


I've been driving it now for awhile just working things out, lots of noises and things to get use to....oh and its really frock's fast 3rd gear roll-on just smokes em. I'm thinking of just putting my old grill on instead of using the new stuff. I plan on racing it as is to work out the bugs and paint it next year.

[Sonar Chief]

Tony, long time huh ... hey I couldn't get the links to open, may be me!

Glad to see you got her on the road and boys are enjoying the rides!

[Tony V]

not sure if i screwed it up or what but i'm attaching just like i do with pics....

http://i.imgur.com/GvyVZPo.jpg


Don't mind the hood, i've been driving without it until i get some help to put it on....looking at the first race Jan 14-15 at the Wild Horse Pass west track...

[Tony V]

Ok back on after an extended hiatus from Lateral-G site. My work laptop firewall started blocking access to Lateral-g therefore I had to decide if I spend money on a lap top or keep spending on the Camaro to get it on the street. Here’s a quick video my 12 year old took……first time out.

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Also I noticed that Photobucket lost all of my +1000 pictures….here’s what I got back from Photobucket:
“We thank you for your patience while we investigated the matter. Our engineering team has been working tirelessly to identify and recover your images. They identified a technical issue that had 1 out of a billion odds of occurring. Unfortunately, your account was one of the handful that were affected. They have spent countless hours to recover your images, but yielded no results. They have added additional safeguards in place to make sure this never happens again.”
The amount of work to go back and update all the links is almost insurmountable; any suggestions on alternative storage links for photos? I’m trying “IMGUR” at the moment…..

Now that I have a new lap top we can update our progress… be honest there’s a bunch here, apologize for the long-winded post. Lots of updates and experiences in the past several months.

http://i.imgur.com/5kV2Fqm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1a11Sjc.jpg

Here’s a quick summary; got my wheels and tires (big thx to Jason Rushforth for being patient and helpful) using NITTO INVOs, engine & Tranny had to get yanked again for a leaky hose end on the clutch line, brake fluid leak (because the M/C is inside the dash it wasn’t pretty) but had to re-plumb the reservoir, got the car on scales to set up the suspension, results were: 50/50 cross corners and 46% Back and 54% Front, total weight of 3411 Lbs, camber and caster set per DSE specs, primer’d the doors and inside of the hood, installed headlights (LED Truklites), door handles and trunk latch. Did all this prior to entering my first track event on 1/15/17. Also with that said experienced some early failures and set-backs, aftermarket shifter gasket sucks…..the design of the shifter and gasket is poor (IMO) days before the event we replaced it twice and almost gave up with only 12 hrs before the race but my nephew hung in there and helped by “frankensteining” our own version and just by chance it did work. Really need a good gasket because the top gear sits directly under the shifter gasket and at high RPMs its really slinging the fluid. Phase 2 will replace the shifter and I’m considering an access panel for the tunnel, the experience left me wondering if I should be thinking about better access without having to remove the engine tranny. Night before the race I’m out leak checking the shifter gasket and I noticed my volt gauge is at 13V, now previous to today its always been at 14.1v. Checked the Alt and the stator came apart in pieces….can’t get a single wire 2002 camaro style alt at 9pm. So decided to just charge the battery in between sessions with some friend’s vehicles in the pits. Just didn’t know if the Battery could hold out for a 20 min session and the EFI be ok with minimal voltage. BTW the puller was undersized if I did the math it was spinning at 28,000RPMs at WOT. I should’ve done the math prior but I ordered it thinking the supplier knew what they were doing, not the fact. But they did replace it FOC including shipping; great customer support.

[Tony V]

Track Day
http://i.imgur.com/8yh03J0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bIv0NHU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ThADg7x.jpg

First session on the track I came in early (after 10 min) thinking I was dropping PS fluid all over the track. Because it started getting difficult to turn, small turns no problem but coming into a big turn with speed it became to feel like a manual system. Got into the pit and opened the hood to measure the temp of P/S fluid in the reservoir, I think it got too hot. I measured 260 degrees and it was the cheap prestone off the shelf. Last session of the day, I was taking a friend of mine out and about 10 min into we heard some racket within the car somewhere, pulled to the side, all temps good/Oil pressure good but rear view mirror showed a huge cloud of smoke and steam LOTS. You know the instant your heart falls out of your chest well anyway kept it idling to get to a better pull off spot but watching all the gauges which all read normal ????
Opened the hood thinking the worst but come to find out it was a rib from the serpentine belt and it had started coming apart and cutting the water line from the head and oil vent line from the engine valley, big sigh of relief it wasn’t anything serious. Actually, started it back up and drove it into the pits. Upon further review it also cut my dry sump outlet hose so I was dumping oil out just didn’t drain the tank to the point of impacting oil pressure. Here’s some pics of the carnage…..
http://i.imgur.com/wtNYcBj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aMuLEHh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CWDoC1f.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1a11Sjc.jpg

All in all I considered it a good day, had a blast but now I have a mess to clean up. I’m glad it wasn’t painted yet. Car ran exceptionally well, it exceeds driver capabilities. I did have an off-track excursion on the back straight-a-way, I stabbed it to pass a Porsche and I call it “too much aggression or stupidity” but while in 3rd on the back straight away the back end came out and next thing I know I was turned around in the dirt. The Porsche driver did come up to me afterwards to see what HP I was putting down, next session I got behind him again but he quickly waived me by, I’m assuming he was scared of the newbie behind him…..Next purchase will have to be a go-pro so I can tape it.

Things I decided I need to change; new shifter, radiator with P/S cooler & Oil cooler, need a new P/S pump (pump has never been the same since track day). Realigned my idler pulley for the serpentine belt. Here’s my theory on why the belt came apart in the first place. Soon after getting the car on the road and driving it some I recognized that the belt had walked off by one rib where it was now sitting on the raised shoulder of the idler pulley. I think I may have stressed the outer part of the belt and it started coming apart. Since then I’ve used a laser and straight edge to assure I have better alignment on all the pulleys.

Next Event
Scheduled to run the Goodguys event on March 10th in Scottsdale so there’s several things that must get done. Not sure if I’m going to catch any slack for not having a painted/finished car in the autocross but I really wanted to vet some things out mechanically and what better way than to use the goodguys event. Plus I get to watch how some of the pros do it.

[preston]

reminds me of many of the same problems I have had. Glad it wasn't serious. At first that's a big relief, but then later I still get upset about why I couldn't prevent the initial problem.

Its good to do a lot of shakedown on the street, but the track will reveal all sorts of new problems.

[rustomatic]

Congrats on sort of surviving the track day! It's good to have posts like this, as people don't realize the kind of stress doing a track day can put on car. Even with all-new parts, you will still break things at a track day--something got stressed out or broken every time I tracked (the last version of) my Falcon. There's just such a huge difference between occasionally goosing the throttle (burnout, bro!) or stabbing the brake and constantly flooring while just barely avoiding crashing for extended periods of time. Autocrosses are far easier to live through . . .

Here's to the next one!

[Sonar Chief]

Yes big thanks for posting the post-track day experience, however, the solution is more important here ... keep us posted with progress reports!

Michael

[Dr G]

Pulley alignment can be tricky. Especially if you've made your own system and pulley mounts. But a thrown belt can really ruin a track day or auto-x.

[Tony V]

Thanks guys, thought I had it licked with alignment. I was using the laser and a straight edge and added some spacers to tensioner puller a bit but after a quick lap around the neighborhood I noticed it was trying to walk off again.
Here's some observations:
Belt was extremely tight (hard to get it off and on) fully maxed out the tensioner.
It also seemed that the tensioner pulley wasn't in the same plane angle....let me explain the angle of the balancer was a bit different than the tensioner so added .180" extra to the bottom bolt which better aligned the two pulleys. I also purchased a new belt that 1/2" longer. Now I've taken it out twice and no walking. I only have 4 days until Goodguys so whenever I get a chance i'll take it out and check it.

[Tony V]

First just to recap from the results of my road coarse excursions….P/S fluid temp got real hot and I suspected that my pump was junk after only 15 minutes of track time. Well I replaced the pump and the steering is now back to what is was before but without a cooler I’m afraid I’ll just go through another pump if I do another road course. I did upgrade the fluid but still not confident it will handle another event. So I called around for an auxiliary fluid to fluid heat exchangers. Shocked set in when I started looking at prices and then the job of locating the unit somewhere……
Then an interesting thing happened, two weeks later out of the blue one of those shops, Ron Davis Radiators, calls me back and asks if I was still looking and would I consider a radiator with an integrated Oil & P/S cooler. I said absolutely interested but getting my head around ditching my perfectly good dual fan radiator that (BTW has worked beautifully up until now), seemed a bit wasteful. Luck has it they were local so I decided to spend an afternoon at the shop bench racing and letting Ron explain the benefits of using his radiator. We worked out a deal and now I’m looking at a new radiator……I’ll take some detail pics and steps regarding the swap, the piece is beautiful and I want make sure I document it all. Ron is also interested and waiting for some feedback because he specially designed this for 1st Gen’s.
http://i.imgur.com/f9pk1ie.jpg

[Tony V]

So more track results: entered and ran the Good-Guys event in Scottsdale, lots of fun and the people were great. Being a newbie didn’t know what to expect but everyone was very helpful. I did realize tires make a difference….i mean a big difference. My Invo’s Nitto’s were not up to the task but my lack of experience was probably the bigger issue. I only ran Friday morning and got more runs than I ever expected, I had 8 passes by lunch. This year it was a single lap run so I was trying to figure out entry and exit one turn at a time. I was consistently 4 secs off the pro’s and it was pretty awesome how smooth they ran the track. I could include a couple video’s but they’ll bore you to death…
http://i.imgur.com/fOoSTi5.jpg


I’m also trying to re-link all of my photos from previous posts using IMGUR after my photobucket loss….

[jwcarguy]

First just to recap from the results of my road coarse excursions….P/S fluid temp got real hot and I suspected that my pump was junk after only 15 minutes of track time. Well I replaced the pump and the steering is now back to what is was before but without a cooler I’m afraid I’ll just go through another pump if I do another road course. I did upgrade the fluid but still not confident it will handle another event. So I called around for an auxiliary fluid to fluid heat exchangers. Shocked set in when I started looking at prices and then the job of locating the unit somewhere……
Then an interesting thing happened, two weeks later out of the blue one of those shops, Ron Davis Radiators, calls me back and asks if I was still looking and would I consider a radiator with an integrated Oil & P/S cooler. I said absolutely interested but getting my head around ditching my perfectly good dual fan radiator that (BTW has worked beautifully up until now), seemed a bit wasteful. Luck has it they were local so I decided to spend an afternoon at the shop bench racing and letting Ron explain the benefits of using his radiator. We worked out a deal and now I’m looking at a new radiator……I’ll take some detail pics and steps regarding the swap, the piece is beautiful and I want make sure I document it all. Ron is also interested and waiting for some feedback because he specially designed this for 1st Gen’s.
http://i.imgur.com/f9pk1ie.jpg


That radiator setup looks great!
I would be interested in the cost of that unit

Thanks, Jeff

[Tony V]

Hey Jeff the part number is 11-16CA6969 price is $1995.00....

Ron indicated he'd like me to fit it first and make sure everything fits and works as advertised. When I get new fittings and hoses i'll document the installation.

[waynieZ]

Tony, that looks like a sweet setup. It looks like it will definitely do the job.

[jwcarguy]

Hey Jeff the part number is 11-16CA6969 price is $1995.00....

Ron indicated he'd like me to fit it first and make sure everything fits and works as advertised. When I get new fittings and hoses i'll document the installation.



Tony
Thanks alot for reply and info
But I cant justify $2000 ( Plus shipping, I would imagine)
For a raditator , coolers, fan setup

We dont anywhere near that amount even in our off road sand rails, that see a more servere duty than these PT cars ever do

Hope that the unit works out for you though

Thanks again for your time, I appreciate it!
Jeff

[Tony V]

New Radiator installed and plumbed...need to get out there on the road to see how everything works. Ron's work is second to none

Although need to finish installing the shifter...the good thing we'll definitely be hot enough here in phx for a good cooling system stress test.

some pics
http://i.imgur.com/1tITLwb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DxPjvTi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TLbkSSz.jpg

Tight fit at the bottom with remote oil filter and the radiator fittings but finally figured it out.
http://i.imgur.com/PT54c3J.jpg

[waynieZ]

It's like putting 20lbs of crap in a 5lb sack! I'm doing it right now on mine. Nice job fitting it all in there.

[Tony V]

spot on Wayne......not having it painted right away is a big relief. I've had so many "redos" and mods .....like i was starting over. Fall race season is coming up so need to tie some loose ends up.

[gmc427]

here's an update, although I had to give up using my computer. It was blocking the Lat-g site so I'm using my wife...shhhh she's still sleeping.

lots has happened since the last post, I prep'd and primer'd all external panels and finally purchased wheels and tires. Extremely happy with the fit and look, although the front is really right at the max, running a 18x10 275 and i get a small rub but i believe the coil overs need to be tightened a bit which would give me some more room.

Here's a couple laps around the block with the boys, they had a blast finally getting a ride.


I've been driving it now for awhile just working things out, lots of noises and things to get use to....oh and its really frock's fast 3rd gear roll-on just smokes em. I'm thinking of just putting my old grill on instead of using the new stuff. I plan on racing it as is to work out the bugs and paint it next year.

hi,what size rears are you running?regards

[Tony V]

hi,what size rears are you running?regards
I'm 325/19 on the back.....with a significant amount of clearance. Might try 335's next..

[Tony V]

another item I noticed when I was at the road course...I was comparing my method of crankcase breather....just assuming I was using a dry sump that it wasn't really going to be an issue. Couple guys using the same relative engine and dry sump looked at mine and advised I should consider something bigger. So while it was down I drilled and tapped both valve covers and plumbed -10 line into the dry sump tank. I was only using the 3/8" vent coming out of the valley cover. not sure if it makes a difference or not but probably couldn't hurt.
http://i.imgur.com/ezvn61b.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SmhrqHJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RSNWKxo.jpg

Next task would be to finish the shifter and access plate.....then git-r-on the road for a good cooling system check...its only going to be 120 degrees next week.

[waynieZ]

.its only going to be 120 degrees next week.

I'm glad it's not going to be hot !

[thedugan]

What coil relocation setup is that?

[Tony V]

What coil relocation setup is that?

That's my own design.....just used some 1" x 1/4" bar stock, bent it at the angles that worked with my injector mount and welded on two round sleeves on each. Honestly it came off first run and I always considered it "temporary"..... all my friends are "old school" guys, they're bugging me to relocate them off the top of the engine.....if your injectors mount the same as mine I can take some more details pics....

[Tony V]

Ok, finally got all the fixes and up grades installed and spent the day at the track yesterday. recap what I did: New shifter (back to the Tremec stock) new Ron Davis radiator with oil cooler and power-steering cooler, vented the valve covers. The shifter now doesn't leak although the feel isn't the best, especially speed shifting but i'll take that over leaks.
The radiator change was significant; it was 92 degrees ambient and during the (4) 20 minute sessions it never climbed over 200 degrees. I'm running a 187 thermostat, so just idiling in the garage it reads on the ECU at 196, kinda hard to relate that to a gauge in the car but i think its right there during the race also. I did lose a lower radiator hose clamp right when i pulled in the pits but I account that to operator error.
First time i really got to push it through the turns and as my confidence climb my lap times came down. I'll share some pics.....off to SEMA on Wednesday hope see a couple of you guys there.
https://i.imgur.com/UB1vsTE.jpg?2

https://i.imgur.com/Owth0tF.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/LUIojbJ.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/zPNka89.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/UB1vsTE.jpg?1

[WSSix]

Congrats! Enjoy SEMA. I've got a friend there texting me pics. Place looks like the typical madness you'd expect.

[Tony V]

ok let me try to link the pictures better
https://i.imgur.com/UB1vsTE.jpg?3
https://i.imgur.com/UB1vsTE.jpg?3

[WSSix]

ok let me try to link the pictures better
https://www.imgur.com/UB1vsTE.jpg?2
https://i.imgur.com/zPNka89.jpg?2
https://i.imgur.com/XvqjFxw.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/LUIojbJ.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/gkrjXsx.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/Owth0tF.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/ez1VOKh.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/UysyEb3.jpg?1

Are you choosing the direct link feature on imgur or simply posting the url once the pic is open?

I just tried that and it works for me. I set the size to huge thumbnail since I have large pictures.

https://i.imgur.com/42gHCNzh.jpg

[Tony V]

Ok, car is home after paint and a bit of delay but a 6 month end to end for paint isn't too bad considering what others have gone through. I'd like to get it on the road by late fall but there was some mods i wanted to do since the last track event.
Add Vintage A/C all purchased and i welded in brackets prior to paint but running lines and wiring still needs to be done.
Put the brakes and fuel system back on.
I changed my serpentine system to alleviate the belt breakage issue.
Moved my battery from sitting below the package tray to the corner of the trunk.
I decided to rewire the car to clean it up.
New venting system for the dry sump.
install the interior finally.
https://i.imgur.com/dw5PhNn.jpg

more pictures to com....

[camcojb]

Looks great!

[214Chevy]

Nice color...

[Tony V]

Looks great!
Thx Jody!...

[WSSix]

Nice color scheme, Tony! Glad paint jail was only a short stint.

[Tony V]

Finally, a post with closure; albeit its never done but I’m definitely out driving on the weekends. First things first there’s a couple big shout outs and lessons learned during the final scramble to “finish” the car.
First; don’t expect your fuel pump to work if you just let sit in an empty tank or 3+yrs. I tracked the car back in ’17 to work out the suspension tweeks. Tore it down for paint and didn’t think much of it but after talking to Carl at Vaporworx it needed work. Big thanks to Carl in getting me squared away and repairing the pump along with tuning the controller, great customer service.
Second; big shout out to Jay at Infinity Box….had a glitch in the last software upload and Jay spent a Sunday morning on a phone walking through the issue. Always have had great support from Jay over the last 10yrs, absolutely love the product.

Lastly Andrew….appreciate the patience and his willingness to help. During the track time in ’17 I never messed with the fuel table so the tune from the test cell and it was “fat” and tuned for a WOT number rather than drivability. It didn’t take long for him to lean it out and smooth the entire table. He knows his Holley stuff!

Was it worth it…yeah in the end its pretty cool to open the garage and take a spin to get coffee and just cruise….. I’ll hit several track events starting in Jan (its racing season for us in AZ). Hope to see a couple you guys out there on the track!

My College transportation….
https://i.imgur.com/jDTjWAo.jpg

Eternity of “what did I get myself into”
https://i.imgur.com/xwAN1iH.jpg

Finished 21yrs later
https://i.imgur.com/tbdYfjm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5iEA6fr.jpg

[camcojb]

That looks great! :thumbsup:

[214Chevy]

That looks great! :thumbsup:

Yes it does. Really love the color and wheel color combo.

[Tony V]

Yes it does. Really love the color and wheel color combo.

Thanks for the comments, actually my son recommended matching the stripe to the center of the wheels. gotta admit he was spot on with the suggestion.

[WSSix]

Looks fantastic! The stripe matching the wheel centers was spot on!

[ScotI]

Thanks for the comments, actually my son recommended matching the stripe to the center of the wheels. gotta admit he was spot on with the suggestion.

Agreed! Good call on his vision.

[waynieZ]

That looks Sweet!! I love it.

[572Camaro]

Tony, your car is Killer.
Love the stripe matching wheels
Love the stance
Love your choice of paint color
Love it all
More pics please!
Jim

[Tony V]

Thanks everyone for the kind words, couldn't have done it by myself without the help from the Lat-G site......Couple set backs over the holidays with the damn Covid and an oil leak. Regardless we're all healthy again but It appears i'm pulling the engine to address an oil leak at the rear seal plate. its not much of a leak but big enough i can't ignore and i'm not willing to go to the track with it. It's totally my fault when the car was getting paint i wanted to inspect the bearings and i never "re dabbed" with silicone in the corners where the seal plate and oil pan join. Here's some more pics.
https://i.imgur.com/KdxJIz7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2qn5B6a.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ihEwx2b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LXUL3VR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8ckvF6y.jpg

[Spiffav8]

Tony that turned out SICK!! Congrats. Get the oil leak fixed and then reap!! You've earned it my friend.

:captain:

[130fe]

Tony, awesome looking finish! What center AC vent are you using on the dash?

[Tony V]

Tony that turned out SICK!! Congrats. Get the oil leak fixed and then reap!! You've earned it my friend.

:captain:

I hear you! Can't wait to hit the track.

[Tony V]

Tony, awesome looking finish! What center AC vent are you using on the dash?


That was the vintage air center vent, no mods. thanks again!

[Dave Pratt]

That's one of my favourite 67 builds.Really a great job.Love the colour,the wheels,the stance...the motor.Great job...

[srode1]

https://i.imgur.com/2qn5B6a.jpg

Is this a PRC core support you are using? Curious how that worked out for you with the hood release if it is. I didn't find any mention of it going back through your thread.

[Tony V]

Is this a PRC core support you are using? Curious how that worked out for you with the hood release if it is. I didn't find any mention of it going back through your thread.

Good observation....yes its a PRC core support but with a Ron Davis radiator. I used the PRC hood latch, however just looking at it, it's a common VW latch just modified to work with the camaro.

[srode1]

Looks like the PRC shroud too? I like that set up, still debating between this an Autorad if I can get one. Seems they are the only two with aluminum core supports, at least in my searches.

[Tony V]

Looks like the PRC shroud too? I like that set up, still debating between this an Autorad if I can get one. Seems they are the only two with aluminum core supports, at least in my searches.


Nope, it’s a Ron Davis shroud.


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