G BAR type Kits available ?,,

[usa-69z]

i have a 69 camaro which im about to mini tub using dse gear,, I have a couple of questions if anyone can help..?
I have a ricks vapor worx tank in there now to suit my injection setup.. can i keep this with the DSE minitub ? im thinking about a G bar setup instead of rear leaf springs.. What other brands/manufacturers make these g bar suspensions? ive only seen chris alstons but no others.. I want something with not much in the way of cutting etc as my skills are limited..I thought by eliminating the rear leafs i may be able to keep my fuel tank as it is ?

thanx , Gav

[Musclerodz]

i have a 69 camaro which im about to mini tub using dse gear,, I have a couple of questions if anyone can help..?
I have a ricks vapor worx tank in there now to suit my injection setup.. can i keep this with the DSE minitub ? im thinking about a G bar setup instead of rear leaf springs.. What other brands/manufacturers make these g bar suspensions? ive only seen chris alstons but no others.. I want something with not much in the way of cutting etc as my skills are limited..I thought by eliminating the rear leafs i may be able to keep my fuel tank as it is ?

thanx , Gav

ridetech is bolt in and is basically the same as the version 1 g bar. The new g bar is weld in. other rear setup to look at with minimal welding is speedtech.

you can reuse your tank with 4 link and minitub if it has notched corners to clear exhaust. if you decide to run offset shackles and leafs you will need a narrowed tank

[usa-69z]

thanks Mike , ill have a look at the ride tech product.. is there a prefered product with these that guys go for more often because of quality ?
best ? art morrison/alston/ridetech/speedtech

[Musclerodz]

thanks Mike , ill have a look at the ride tech product.. is there a prefered product with these that guys go for more often because of quality ?
best ? art morrison/alston/ridetech/speedtech

preferred Ridetech part or preferred brand?

[Rybar]

Gav, I have an Alston G-link with a standard width non-notched tank. it can work with custom tailpipes.

Ryan

[usa-69z]

Gav, I have an Alston G-link with a standard width non-notched tank. it can work with custom tailpipes.

Ryan

ah' thats what i was after .. thanx Ryan ! also have read here that with the mini tubs the shock location is tight with wheel backspace,, any truth in that?
how much did you narrow your diff etc.. Im just trying to work out what im up against , is there any hidden extras im missing before i start the teardown?

ps. i hope you had a great xmas and have a awsum new year !

Gav

[usa-69z]

preferred Ridetech part or preferred brand?

Mike , i was thinking brand.. as in quality and ease of fitment.. pick of the bunch

Gav

[garymac69]

The Ridetech 4 link was a pretty easy install. It can be a bolt-in, but I got a friend to also weld mine in. I have a stock gas tank and have 2 1/2 in. tailpipes routed out the back. I also have a stock-width 12-Bolt rearend on my car. Narrowing the rear is an option only if you have to have the deep 6" wheel lip look. My lips are 4" and look OK to me (and this setup cost me less $$). You could get your rear wheels widened 2 inches to the inside and it would work perfectly. I was originally going to get my 18x10's widened, but someone locally gave me a great price on those wheels & tires.

BTW...I love your stack fuel injection setup and would like to someday get one for my '69. How about some pics?

Gary

[Rybar]

Gav, just be careful if you get the Alston G-link alot of people had issues getting the correct ride height sorted. The kit needed some slight modifications like shorter springs or some parts they released after to help with this. Just research it before you buy. Also, I think my Moser rear is 54.5" or 55" wide. And my rear wheels are 12" wide with 5.375" BS

[Vegas69]

The Ridetech 4 link was a pretty easy install. It can be a bolt-in, but I got a friend to also weld mine in. I have a stock gas tank and have 2 1/2 in. tailpipes routed out the back. I also have a stock-width 12-Bolt rearend on my car. Narrowing the rear is an option only if you have to have the deep 6" wheel lip look. My lips are 4" and look OK to me (and this setup cost me less $$). You could get your rear wheels widened 2 inches to the inside and it would work perfectly. I was originally going to get my 18x10's widened, but someone locally gave me a great price on those wheels & tires.

BTW...I love your stack fuel injection setup and would like to someday get one for my '69. How about some pics?

Gary

Looks sharp, Gary.:thumbsup:

[Rybar]

Looks sharp, Gary.:thumbsup:

x2 Looks Killer Gary :thumbsup:

[garymac69]

x2 Looks Killer Gary :thumbsup:

Thanks Guys.

[usa-69z]

heres a pic gary of the injection... sounds pretty cool !

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/dragstripper/61423_4838002545943_86732005_n_zps753a45c0-1_zpsf9fd3e33.jpg

[garymac69]

Gav, that also looks pretty cool! Who makes that injection system? Thanks for the pic.

Gary

[usa-69z]

Gav, that also looks pretty cool! Who makes that injection system? Thanks for the pic.

Gary

Gary , its made by a company here in Sydney, Australia called DC&O .. i hooked it up to a FAST EZI EFI system ..

Gav

[usa-69z]

another question,, i have had a good read thru both the 'ridetech' and the 'alston g-link' setups.. I did notice alston has an upgrade to be compatible with 'mini tubs' which takes it to $2100 ... i see no mention of any problems with mini tubbed cars on the ridetech site..its around $1800 with decent coilovers.. is this something that i should be mindful of if i went for the ridetech setup? Im trying to save a buck if i can as i have to ship these heavy parts downunder which will cost close to a grand for shipping id expect.

Gav

[garymac69]

I removed my leaf springs, installed DSE mini-tubs, installed the Ridetech 4 Link system (part #11167199 plus coilovers) and installed the wheels...no problems.

Gary

[RSZ28]

I removed my leaf springs, installed DSE mini-tubs, installed the Ridetech 4 Link system (part #11167199 plus coilovers) and installed the wheels...no problems.

Gary

Good improvement in straight line traction?

[GeoffP]

RideTech's 4 Link comes with offset trailing arms out of the box to accommodate mini tubs.

[usa-69z]

RideTech's 4 Link comes with offset trailing arms out of the box to accommodate mini tubs.

thanx Geoff,, thats what i needed to know.. Its (ridetech) is definatly easier to install after reading thru both sets of instalation instructions.. self tapping screws in the frame isnt what i expected with the ridetech unit.. alstons unit is a little more involved and looks a bit more solid? Id imagine both of these are able to get a good drop happening as well.?

[Rybar]

Gav, the ridetech setup might enable you to sit lower for ride height but may have tighter clearance for the tailpipes. You should be able to weld in the ridetech setup.

[Chassisworks]

Gav,
I would be happy to answer any questions that you may have about installation of our g-Bar and g-Link systems. There are a bunch of different options so we can tailor the system to your specific needs. Shock to tire clearance, which someone mentioned, is not an issue. I know you already found the instructions, but did you find this page (https://www.cachassisworks.com/cac_library_gBar.html)yet? There are downloads for individual components with lots of technical info.

As far as ride height goes there is no one system that will allow the car to sit lower than any other without modifying the floor. The floor is the limit. We like our cars to handle and ride nice so our baselines specs keep the hard parts from beating each other up. You can read about ride height and how it is determined in this document: Click Here (https://www.cachassisworks.com/whitepapers/g-Bar_Misinformation.pdf).

Our system is really easy to install and requires minimal fabrication skills. We ship to Australia all the time and we even offer a right hand drive version of our front clip.

Again, I'm happy to answer any questions. My direct extension is 247 or you can email me.

[frojoe]

another question,, i have had a good read thru both the 'ridetech' and the 'alston g-link' setups.. I did notice alston has an upgrade to be compatible with 'mini tubs' which takes it to $2100 ... i see no mention of any problems with mini tubbed cars on the ridetech site..its around $1800 with decent coilovers.. is this something that i should be mindful of if i went for the ridetech setup? Im trying to save a buck if i can as i have to ship these heavy parts downunder which will cost close to a grand for shipping id expect.

Gav

Because the Ridetech setup uses full-width bushings that appear to put the link centered in the leaf spring pocket, but the Glink setup has a separate insert that fits into the link's forward bearing, so for a mini-tubbed setup, you can buy offset bearing inserts to move the bearing (and thus link) inboard. Nice setup..

[marolf101x]

Our set up does in fact use a full length bushing in the stock front leaf perch. However, the bars are welded offset to the inside. They clear a 335 tire, no problem (use the search and you'll see a ton of posts about this).

[frojoe]

Oh snap! Nevermind then! :cheers:

[usa-69z]

thanx guys for the input with this.. all these systems would do what im looking for ..It will probably come down to ease of fitment and shipping costs and who can set me up with the best deal . my car will be getting the tubs shortly (waiting on parts ) ,, i want to retain my vaporworx fuel tank and hopefully keep my custom exhaust , but we'll wait n see with that. Im really looking foward to getting stuck in to this next phase with my car..and getting some decent meat under the rear,,

Gav

Downunder:thumbsup:

[makoshark]

Matt's Classic Bowties will take care of you. Tell them your from lat-g and they will give you a special price with shipping costs included.

[usa-69z]

Matt's Classic Bowties will take care of you. Tell them your from lat-g and they will give you a special price with shipping costs included.

Ive sent them an email , and am waiting on a response ???

[usa-69z]

Our set up does in fact use a full length bushing in the stock front leaf perch. However, the bars are welded offset to the inside. They clear a 335 tire, no problem (use the search and you'll see a ton of posts about this).

could you give me a part no please for the ridetech setup i be needn' ?

suit minitub,335 tyre 18x12 inch rim.. 69 camaro

thanx, Gav

[marolf101x]

Gav,

There are a few options you need to choose, so please go to our website and make your selections.

Here's the link to the 1st gen Camaro page (in case you need coil overs as well):
http://www.ridetech.com/store/musclecars/?subcats=Y&features_hash=V264.V328

[usa-69z]

I have been now reading a ton of threads on the installs and problems with all ther different setups.. g-bar -ridetech, g-link-alston , dse-quadralink ,, and im finding reports of chassis cracks , and mainly ride height adjustment.. this is where im at a loss.. it seems most guys cant get low enuf without comprimising the spring length? has any systems rectified these issues yet? I believe dse have the 'lowest' setup but more cost/work for an install.. my car sits low and i dont want to lose the stance it now has..and want an 'easy' install.. street driven only ,
did anyone figure this out?

[marolf101x]

Is this low enough?
http://www.ridetech.com/garage/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/48cc.jpg

How about this one?
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=59196&d=1336407914

Both these use 5.2" stroke rear shocks for full travel and articulation.

If you want really low you'll need air.

[usa-69z]

i would need to get lower than this.. is there a shorter shock on the market that will work? If i went air what other parts are added to the cost? does it become expensive i guess is what im asking

[garymac69]

Are you wishing to go a lot lower height than my '69? I could adjust the rear lower (looks like close to 1/2 inch of lowering is possible), but I have 275's on the front and can't go much lower without the front tire rubbing the top of the fender at full lock. Thus I'm limited on the rear height to keep an even stance. At some point I might try some neg. camber on the front and see if I can lower the front some more. But I think it looks pretty good as is and I have enough clearance under the chassis to clear road obstacles.

Gary

[MCB Matt]

Ive sent them an email , and am waiting on a response ???

Did you PM or email us? PM is the best....

We can take care of you!

Matt

[marolf101x]

maybe you can post up a pic of how the car is currently sitting to give us an idea of where you would like to end up?

[usa-69z]

heres where im at now,, this is before the vaporworx tank etc

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/dragstripper/sun27thfeb2010014.jpg

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/dragstripper/297157_2442165421024_1458492554_32676053_425884967 _n.jpg

[marolf101x]

Looks a lot like the red 69 to me.
You can lower the ride height of our AirBar by adjusting the coil spring down, but you will loose a little compression stroke (which is the most important as it is what keeps the car off the bumpstops).

By the looks of it you'll have no issue getting back to the ride height you have now.

[Chassisworks]

How about this (https://www.cachassisworks.com/cac_testimonials_ErvinCamaro.html)? Bret's car has our front clip and a gLink with airsprings at all four corners.

https://www.cachassisworks.com/site_images/vehicles/Camaro/Camaro67_BretErvin/Camaro67_BretErvin_side_400x186.jpg
https://www.cachassisworks.com/site_images/vehicles/Camaro/Camaro67_BretErvin/Camaro67_BretErvin_front_400x280.jpg

Getting your car lower than it now sits and still using coilovers is going to sacrifice a significant amount of driveability. Chevrolet decided how low your Camaro could sit in 1966. Getting a lower driving height is going to require modifying the driveshaft tunnel, floor, and frame rails. Read THIS DOCUMENT (https://www.cachassisworks.com/whitepapers/g-Bar_Misinformation.pdf)for an in depth explanation of this. It also covers the other concerns you mentioned.

On the other hand, if you want the car to sit super low, be driveable, and take it to the next level in performance we still have options. How about THIS SYSTEM (https://www.cachassisworks.com/cac_press_67-69Camaro.html)?

https://www.cachassisworks.com/site_images/vehicles/Camaro/Camaro69_SEMA2012/gStreetCamaro1_rearqtr_AT.jpg

[usa-69z]

wow ,, $700 to ship the ridetech rear to australia from MCB ! and $358 to ship the $350 dse tubs to Oz from dse! can anyone beat that?? this shipping is way outa the ballpark...

[MCB Matt]

wow ,, $700 to ship the ridetech rear to australia from MCB ! and $358 to ship the $350 dse tubs to Oz from dse! can anyone beat that?? this shipping is way outa the ballpark...

Let me know what you find. These parts are big and heavy...we will free ship to anywhere in the 48 states for you and you can use a broker to get it to you. We don't markup our shipping.

Thanks
Matt

[usa-69z]

Let me know what you find. These parts are big and heavy...we will free ship to anywhere in the 48 states for you and you can use a broker to get it to you. We don't markup our shipping.

Thanks
Matt

thanx Matt , yes i wasnt implying that you mark things up.. It just gets frustrating for us downunder trying to build our dream cars and the shipping companys charge a small fortune for there service.. And there is always a huge discrepency in shipping different items too,, I had a set of 4 wheels shipped recently for $400 ,,, now thats 4 boxes of a decent size and weight? I just dont get it sometimes.

[Swain]

Use DB Schenker they are pretty low on shipping costs. Also try Mainfreight

wow ,, $700 to ship the ridetech rear to australia from MCB ! and $358 to ship the $350 dse tubs to Oz from dse! can anyone beat that?? this shipping is way outa the ballpark...