Camaro XV

[frankv11]

Wow this one nice set up. Very well thought out , reduces weight , clutter , cost efficient and brings your trans and rear to working temp while at idle.
That is some real big boy engineering.

This is going to be the baddest PT car out there period.

Congrats mark

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Uhhh...Mark, I have the slightest idea of what you just said as I'm not a racer or track guy. But, I don't understand logic and reasoning...this is just bad a$$. Wow!! :headscratch: :faint: How do you do it...I mean how do you think of this stuff? :idea:

...try imagining Garth doing the run down. It worked for me.

I remember reading about the diff cooler. I'd think the plates would be larger and spaced farther apart due to the diff fluid viscosity.

[HBRod]

I have followed your previous builds, read your book (loved it for the advice and explanations on why you do it the way you do your builds), and really like the rendering of Hellfire. You prove that good engineering is so beautiful that to me it is art. Yes, there is science in what you do but the result if a work of art. Can't wait to see video of it making runs on a track.

[Ketzer]

Wow --- it might be fun to try to outbid Charley for this one.....


I bet Charley doesn't respond well to challenges... just a guess. :poke:


Jeff-

[Stielow]

I have followed your previous builds, read your book (loved it for the advice and explanations on why you do it the way you do your builds), and really like the rendering of Hellfire. You prove that good engineering is so beautiful that to me it is art. Yes, there is science in what you do but the result if a work of art. Can't wait to see video of it making runs on a track.

Thanks this made my night.

Mark

[Sieg]

Thanks this made my night.

Mark
What he said X's 2. Very much appreciate the sharing of information......:thumbsup:

[Regal454]

Mark,

I love the oil to oil diff cooler, very innovative. What seals the cooler to the rear end housing? Is there a rubber seal or a welded bulkhead type fitting?

[glassman]

Just really enjoy sitting here reading this while the girls are watching So you think you can dance. What continues to be setting the bar higher and higher....wow. Love it!! Thanx for contributing to our enjoyment and entertainment.....Mike

[MeanMike]

I'm relatively new here and just saw this. I remember reading about some of your camaro's in HOT ROD before I could even drive many years ago. Wow have they progressed over the years. They were inspriational then and just as much so now. I really love the factory parts style builds. I wish there was something modern from buick to work into my GN.

[CamaroMike]

I'm relatively new here and just saw this. I remember reading about some of your camaro's in HOT ROD before I could even drive many years ago. Wow have they progressed over the years. They were inspriational then and just as much so now. I really love the factory parts style builds. I wish there was something modern from buick to work into my GN.

Not sure if he ever sleeps, I always see his cars on youtube, magazines, etc... Top notch stuff

[MeanMike]

Not sure if he ever sleeps, I always see his cars on youtube, magazines, etc... Top notch stuff

It might be partially his fault I'm addicted to fast cars. Oh the money I've burned because of Mark Stielow. :D

I wonder if my wife will accept that excuse when I drop the money for new wheels in a few weeks.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Cool oil is happy oil.

Mark posting tech here means a happy lat-g.

:thankyou:

[Frankenstine]

Just a Thought:
Mark Stielow's HELLFIRE 1969 Camaro

VS

Dodge's Challenger 2015 SRT HELLCAT

Drag Strip
Road course
Autocross
Speed stop challenge


COULD THIS HAPPEN????????
:topic:

[Spiffav8]

Just a Thought:
Mark Stielow's HELLFIRE 1969 Camaro

VS

Dodge's Challenger 2015 SRT HELLCAT

Drag Strip
Road course
Autocross
Speed stop challenge


COULD THIS HAPPEN????????
:topic:


Stranger things have!

[Stielow]

Just a Thought:
Mark Stielow's HELLFIRE 1969 Camaro

VS

Dodge's Challenger 2015 SRT HELLCAT

Drag Strip
Road course
Autocross
Speed stop challenge


COULD THIS HAPPEN????????
:topic:

I think that would be a lot of fun.

Mark

[Jay Hilliard]

I would bet the Dodge would lose every challenge.

[waynieZ]

Go kick some A$$ Mark!! lol

[LS7 Z/28]

I would bet the Dodge would lose every challenge.

The new Z/28 would beat the Challenger in everything but the Dragstrip. I would like to see Mark run Hellfire against the Z/28 like he did with the ZL1 vs. Red Devil. It's really cool that Dodge is building it though. I'm glad to see the horsepower war is alive and well, better than it ever was back in the day.

Mark's new car is cooler than any of them though...

[DBasher]

^^^^^this needs to happen! Where do I buy tickets!

[GregWeld]

The new Z/28 would beat the Challenger in everything but the Dragstrip. I would like to see Mark run Hellfire against the Z/28 like he did with the ZL1 vs. Red Devil. It's really cool that Dodge is building it though. I'm glad to see the horsepower war is alive and well, better than it ever was back in the day.

Mark's new car is cooler than any of them though...




What Casey said!


I wasn't really bashing Mopar for building what is a pretty cool power plant.... I just wish they would buy into some engineering and give us a car that can actually USE that amazing level of power for something other than roasting tires in a straight line.

This is where - to me - GM is so far ahead of the curve... with the AMAZING Corvette platform - and what they're doing with the Camaro line up.

Ford is trying... and showed us the goods with the Laguna... They just haven't taken the next step which would be some serious power AND handling capability. They have the power part down. A little less plastic -- and a little more weight balancing... Funny -- the exact same things they missed out on back in the day.

Not saying people can't MAKE these cars handle -- but it would be nice to see the factory (ala the Z/28 etc) put some effort in a showroom version.

[TheJDMan]

I would bet the Dodge would lose every challenge.

I would tend to agree, but it would still be a worthwhile track test. There is actually a whole list of cars I would like to see compared.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

if 15 was a 2015 then i'd like to see it happen. But its a 69 thus making it superior in everyway....except for 35 mph impact requirments.

[Jay Hilliard]

I would tend to agree, but it would still be a worthwhile track test. There is actually a whole list of cars I would like to see compared.

I agree it would be fun to test. Heck, I would pay to watch. As stated before, I would like to see it go against the new z/28, especially since Mark was involved in the engineering/track testing.

[GRob]

https://scontent-a-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10463968_890897674258051_1012335215824167446_n.jpg

Really more of a ZL1 and GT500 competitor than a Z28 one.

[redsand]

Just do it at gingerman again so I can attend

[LS7 Z/28]

Really more of a ZL1 and GT500 competitor than a Z28 one.

Maybe if we were only talking about drag racing, but that's not the case.

[Flash68]

I got Hellfire back from the Dutchboys for my spring car party. The guys from Finspeed also drove the wheels up from Missouri for the party. They are 18 X12 rear and 18 X 10.5 fronts. We will put the Anvil Carbon Fiber front clip on the car after the engine is in the car.


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Hey Mark, did you not go with a wider rear wheel than 12 simple for space reasons? Or was the width what you wanted and liked?

[GRob]

Maybe if we were only talking about drag racing, but that's not the case.

Well it's certainly not a Z28 competitor by a long shot.

[Stielow]

Hey Mark, did you not go with a wider rear wheel than 12 simple for space reasons? Or was the width what you wanted and liked?

The BFG Rival 335/30R18 is designed to work on a 18 X 12. A 18 X 13 would have been too wide because the Finspeed Mono Blocks come in a 12 or a 13. No 12.5 inch.


Mark

[raustinss]

The BFG Rival 335/30R18 is designed to work on a 18 X 12. A 18 X 13 would have been too wide because the Finspeed Mono Blocks come in a 12 or a 13. No 12.5 inch.


Mark

But my little eye says your running Michelin tires...not rivals....or they still mock ups

[Stielow]

But my little eye says your running Michelin tires...not rivals....or they still mock ups

The Michelin are mock ups.

Mark

[jlwdvm]

Do you have any pictures of how you modified your core support to fit the larger than stock radiator?

[Sieg]

Do you have any pictures of how you modified your core support to fit the larger than stock radiator?

These pics will give you some insight: http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showpost.php4?p=491717&postcount=327

[El_Tortuga]

When Stielow showed up at UMR, it was in a 300 hp (ish) Mustang and I was driving a 140 hp Capri. Fast forward 3 decades, and I'm happy to be driving a Mustang with triple my previous hp, but Stielow has also tripled his hp too. I can't keep up. :drowninga:

Nice build. Keep living the dream.

[FETorino]

When Stielow showed up at UMR, it was in a 300 hp (ish) Mustang and I was driving a 140 hp Capri. Fast forward 3 decades, and I'm happy to be driving a Mustang with triple my previous hp, but Stielow has also tripled his hp too. I can't keep up. :drowninga:

Nice build. Keep living the dream.

You are the tortoise.:lol:

[Stielow]

The Dutch Boys are clearing the front clip today. The hood, fenders, header, inner fender wells and lower valance are Carbon Fiber.

The DX-1 style stripe will be exposed Carbon Fiber.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

awesome!!!!!!

[waynieZ]

Nice!

[tubbed69]

the Dutch Boys sure make them look good.

[Stielow]

The Dutchboys are making it look good. Can't wait to see it in the sun and all togther.

Check out the carbon fiber weave we mirrored it down the center of the hood and the header panel.

Mark

[65_LS1_T56]

Color looks so much different in person Mark. Gonna look great all together.

[Sieg]

Winner! :thumbsup:

[DOOM]

The Dutchboys are making it look good. Can't wait to see it in the sun and all togther.

Check out the carbon fiber weave we mirrored it down the center of the hood and the header panel.

Mark

Mark that PPG sure looks good!!!!!!!!!!! The BOYS did an awesome job!!!!:trophy-1302:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Wow...

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/1%20album%202014/imagejpg1_zpsa8a4860d.jpg (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/wnyjazz/media/1%20album%202014/imagejpg1_zpsa8a4860d.jpg.html)

[next69]

Very impressive indeed, every time you build a car I wonder how you will ever top it and somehow you continue to raise the bar.

I would be very curious (if you are willing to share) what your future plans include as I am sure you are already noodling ideas for the next project. Any plans to ever use a full frame or IRS?

Keep up the killer work as it is great inspiration for others.

[HBRod]

That carbon fiber under the clear looks incredible. That will definitely help with the design portion of the OUSCI competition. Did you calculate how much weight came off the nose of the car with all the changes you made and the addition of carbon fiber over sheet metal?

Rod

[Jay Hilliard]

Now you are just showing off :lol: I used the DX-1 stripe on my latest build and it generates a lot of questions/compliments on the striping. It looks awesome with the carbon coming through. Excellent job by Joe and Paul.

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Thanks Guys! The front clip turned out awesome. It has taken a ton of work to get it to that point but is 100% worth it. It really looks great. I'm looking forward to seeing it back on the car. Marks latest Camaro has to be the best one to date. Every time the next car comes around he seems to have a better creation bouncing around inside his head. I'm really happy we went with the DX-1 stripe on the car. The day the car came in the shop we started laying out different ideas for stripes. And this one just seemed to fit. Its something you don't see done very often and it really is a nice touch of the carbon without totally over doing it.

Here are a few shots of the front clip out getting some sun this afternoon.

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[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

If I was rich, I'd pay Stielow to build a Camaro for me. :G-Dub: There wouldn't be any question. Even better if I could pay him to build one with me so I could learn something, but I'm sure that would cost extra. :buttkick: Meh, I'd be a rich so it wouldn't matter. :lol:

[jimbo]

Will your car be at the GM employee car show next week?

[WILWAXU]

Awesome paint design! Classy way to show the cool stuff underneath.

[Sieg]

Great RED!

[waynieZ]

Awesome!

[Number1]

Mark do you use dex-cool radiator fluid or regular green fluid?

[Stielow]

Mark do you use dex-cool radiator fluid or regular green fluid?

Dex cool.

[1coolC2]

Mark,

Good speaking with you today, the car looks fantastic...I love the carbon DX stripe!! Them Dutchboys sure do great work!! (Paul you should open a second shop down here in VA Beach, I can promise better weather in the winter months) :lol: . This for sure is stacking up to be the coolest Stielow build yet, I look forward to seeing it in person.

R/
Jeff

[65 347]

Looks unbelievable!!!!

Mike

[Stielow]

Will your car be at the GM employee car show next week?

Sorry no it won't. Still a lot to do. :bang:

Mark

[clill]

Drive the yellow POS.

[Rick D]

Drive the yellow POS.

It's STILL at his house?? Wow a year to put in another fuel pump.

[clill]

And we did a cam, and we did ported heads. and we did....:confused18:

[GregWeld]

And we did a cam, and we did ported heads. and we did....:confused18:




MORE POWER!



LOL

[Rybar]

Love the striping Mark, glad you went this route over a solid color car.

[Rick D]

MORE POWER!



LOL

Yeah because the 800 plus HP that Mayhem isn't enough!! :confused59:

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Mark,

Good speaking with you today, the car looks fantastic...I love the carbon DX stripe!! Them Dutchboys sure do great work!! (Paul you should open a second shop down here in VA Beach, I can promise better weather in the winter months) :lol: . This for sure is stacking up to be the coolest Stielow build yet, I look forward to seeing it in person.

R/
Jeff

Thanks Jeff! It looks awesome I can't wait till its back on the car. With the wheel finish and the other carbon on the car it really should be cool.

That doesn't sound like a bad idea with the winter that we had this year! :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

Thanks Guys! The front clip turned out awesome. It has taken a ton of work to get it to that point but is 100% worth it. It really looks great. I'm looking forward to seeing it back on the car. Marks latest Camaro has to be the best one to date. Every time the next car comes around he seems to have a better creation bouncing around inside his head. I'm really happy we went with the DX-1 stripe on the car. The day the car came in the shop we started laying out different ideas for stripes. And this one just seemed to fit. Its something you don't see done very often and it really is a nice touch of the carbon without totally over doing it.
Here are a few shots of the front clip out getting some sun this afternoon.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_2475_zps214dfcef.jpg (http://s119.photobucket.com/user/novablue71/media/IMG_2475_zps214dfcef.jpg.html)

That is beautiful. Very nice.

[Frankenstine]

Any updates on this BEAST Mr Stielow???????????
:thankyou:
Keith

[Rick D]

Anyone guess what this is?? Mark we need numbers??m:warning: :lol: :warning:

[camcojb]

"At Thomson Auto today my LS9 based 427 CID engine made 957 HP at 6400 rpm and 970 TQ 3700 rpm. Over 850 TQ from 2000 to 5700 RPM."

:confused59:

[Rick D]

"At Thomson Auto today my LS9 based 427 CID engine made 957 HP at 6400 rpm and 970 TQ 3700 rpm. Over 850 TQ from 2000 to 5700 RPM."

:confused59:

Well that should work nicely!!! :confused59: :confused59: :confused59:

[ccracin]

"At Thomson Auto today my LS9 based 427 CID engine made 957 HP at 6400 rpm and 970 TQ 3700 rpm. Over 850 TQ from 2000 to 5700 RPM."

:confused59:

Oh my goodness gracious! :warning: Traction control is a must!

[camcojb]

Well that should work nicely!!! :confused59: :confused59: :confused59:

Oh my goodness gracious! :warning: Traction control is a must!
I added a pic of the dyno run, look at the torque. :lol:

[fleetus macmullitz]

The internet is happier now...

:thankyou:

[camcojb]

For you non-Facebook guys. :)

BV47yBl5Af4

[Roberts68]

Good grief!!! Sounds very Formula 1ish...
Gotta love the exhaust glowing red hot too... Hellfire for sure

[73CPCAMARO]

:confused18: :confused59:

[Spiffav8]

957HP? What.....are you planning to go the speed of Plaid?

[Stielow]

"At Thomson Auto today my LS9 based 427 CID engine made 957 HP at 6400 rpm and 970 TQ 3700 rpm. Over 850 TQ from 2000 to 5700 RPM."

:confused59:

A tick more boost via a blueprinted blower and a slightly smaller pulley. Also a very good inlet tube and reworked blower inlet. On the exhaust side we corked it up to simulate full exhaust via flow restrictors. So I think we will clear 950 HP installed without much trouble. We also use 35 C intercooler water to be more real world. With chilled water we can clear a 1000 HP no problem? Mayhem was fast this should be even faster with more power, less weight,and more down force. If I can get it done!

[Jr]

Good god!

Is that still a 2.3L blower? 6 bolt heads?

[Sieg]

Turbo's........why? :unibrow:

[camcojb]

Turbo's........why? :unibrow:
I rode in Mayhem. It's like an electric motor, very linear power, the harder you push the pedal the faster it goes. Absolutely amazing, and convinced me that my next build will be a blower.

[Sieg]

I rode in Mayhem. It's like an electric motor, very linear power, the harder you push the pedal the faster it goes. Absolutely amazing, and convinced me that my next build will be a blower.

My only ride in Mayhem was riding shotgun into Optima's SEMA booth. I couldn't believe how docile it was......might as well have been a Prius. Not exactly my ideal idea of a ride in that car though I was very impressed.

Though I guess it could have been GW's mad car control skillz. :sieg:

[Ron in SoCal]

I need a :holyguacamole: icon.

Or, as Skip and Dave would say #holyguacamole :D

[Jr]

I rode in Mayhem. It's like an electric motor, very linear power, the harder you push the pedal the faster it goes. Absolutely amazing, and convinced me that my next build will be a blower.

Was this with the traction control on?

[Rick D]

I need a :holyguacamole: icon.

Or, as Skip and Dave would say #holyguacamole :D

Time for an upgrade Ron??? :lol: :confused18:

[Streetking]

A tick more boost via a blueprinted blower and a slightly smaller pulley. Also a very good inlet tube and reworked blower inlet. On the exhaust side we corked it up to simulate full exhaust via flow restrictors. So I think we will clear 950 HP installed without much trouble. We also use 35 C intercooler water to be more real world. With chilled water we can clear a 1000 HP no problem? Mayhem was fast this should be even faster with more power, less weight,and more down force. If I can get it done!

Very impressive Mark. It should work nicely, great power curves...

[mikels]

Just started data analysis from dyno testing today - needless to say, we somewhat exceeded targets.....

Will have complete breakdown of data within a couple of days, but here is a comparison of power from Mayhem to Hellfire.

In sticking with Mark's theme of 'more power + less mass' it is certainly directionally correct.

Some statics of Hellfire engine:
Average TQ from 2100-6800 RPM = 871 #/FT
Average HP from 2100-6800 RPM = 726 HP
Peak TQ: 950
Peak HP: 931


For fair comparison, compared to Mayhem over same range (3900-6800 RPM):
Mayhem Hellfire
AVG TQ 765 847
AVG HP 772 852

More to come - much data to process.....

Dave

[Che70velle]

I guess if your into that sort of thing....
That torque curve looks delicious. Did I just say that out loud?

[camcojb]

Was this with the traction control on?
No traction control on that car other than your right foot. :lol:

[Stielow]

Just started data analysis from dyno testing today - needless to say, we somewhat exceeded targets.....

Will have complete breakdown of data within a couple of days, but here is a comparison of power from Mayhem to Hellfire.

In sticking with Mark's theme of 'more power + less mass' it is certainly directionally correct.

Some statics of Hellfire engine:
Average TQ from 2100-6800 RPM = 871 #/FT
Average HP from 2100-6800 RPM = 726 HP
Peak TQ: 950
Peak HP: 931


For fair comparison, compared to Mayhem over same range (3900-6800 RPM):
Mayhem Hellfire
AVG TQ 765 847
AVG HP 772 852

More to come - much data to process.....

Dave


For those of you who don't know Dave Mikels he is the brains behind my power and success for over 24 years. He did the engine in our FSAE car back in 1990 and 1991. I did the chassis and Dave did the engine. Huh same as now. Dave is also a great driver so we have been a good team for a few years. We were roommates at Rolla, MO

The years I did well at OUSCI it was Dave in my window telling where to pick up time in the Auto-X. Not my best event but I can do when I need to with a good spotter.

So we are at again. I think Dave will get it all sorted out! Looks good so far. I'm going to need more chassis to put all this power down.

Mark

[mikels]

Good god!

Is that still a 2.3L blower? 6 bolt heads?

Yes - 'massaged' LS9 2300 supercharger

No - 4 bolt heads - LS7 block / CNC LS9 heads (I think we are near or at the limit for 4-bolt)

[Jr]

Yes - 'massaged' LS9 2300 supercharger

No - 4 bolt heads - LS7 block / CNC LS9 heads (I think we are near or at the limit for 4-bolt)

Very impressive numbers for a "messaged" 2.3L blower. Is the inlet and outlet for the intercooler bigger than stock? Keeping 1K HP cool must need help...

[fleetus macmullitz]

I'm going to need more chassis to put all this power down.

Mark

Mark,

Care to elaborate on what you mean by needing "more chassis"?

[Stielow]

Mark,

Care to elaborate on what you mean by needing "more chassis"?

I need to get it running to sort out the spring, bars and dampers to handle the new power and front weight.

Mark

[BBC71Nova]

Wow! Very nice.

HellCat vs. HellFire... If only...

[wiedemab]

Push on the "go pedal" and you'll look like this!

http://thatslikewhoa.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/wind-face1.jpg

[HBRod]

Gotta love that torque curve. I can see why you are saying you need to get the chassis sorted out. You should be able to put power down anywhere that you can maintain traction. Will make the AutoX and Speed/Stop more interesting.

Time frame on when you'll be able to start your tuning?

Rod

[Stielow]

I made a lot of progress over the weekend. I got all the parts back to assemble the rear axle. It has a C&R Racing Remmed gears that was run in at C&R axle dyno to make sure the frictional loses are good and it is quite. The housing is a steel Strange Engineer part so I could install the diff cooler. All the Detroit Speed brackets are welded on it. The axle ends are my design that uses the SKF bearing, production C-6 park brake and all C-6 Corvette mounting interfaces. The axle ends are dry due to a GM axle seal in the end of the axle tube in the tube end. The axle shafts are 300 M material that are gun drilled to save a little mass. I was also able to design a park brake cable that interfaces to a '69 Camaro so you can use the stock '69 Camaro park brake system.


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[Stielow]

I also hammed out all the brake lines for the ABS system over the last week. Just for referance these brake lines took me a full week to make and I've done this twice before. 40 feet of brake lines. But doing it with out the front clip is a huge time saver.

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[MeanMike]

From the looks of the 4 gear truetrac, you must be using 31 splines at the diff end of the axle. Even then, it looks like the axle shafts are necked down below the minor diameter of the splines.

Majority opinion says that with the power your motor makes, that you would need 35 spline axles. Does the lack of bending load from the "floater" setup, make that much difference? I guess if you never plan to run a drag slick, the tire is the breaking point. Just wondering why 31 spline, what is the reasoning behind that choice? Does the corvette bearing limit it? Is 300M worth that much? I just went through this with my car (simlar power) and ended up with 35 spline axles and truetrac.

[Sieg]

Looking good Mark.

89 days till OUSCI........pedal down!

[GregWeld]

Better than PERFECT Mark.


Hope you're not planning on selling this to Charley.... he doesn't like things "improved". LOL

[Rick D]

Great progress Mark! Can't wait to see it on the track!!

[Ketzer]

I am amazed every time I look at this thread (and all Mark's threads).
All the info that is freely given. The time spent posting pics and answering questions, showing refinements, tech secrets, part numbers, vendors, every detail it takes to build one of these masterpieces.
Pretty darn cool.




Jeff-

[waynieZ]

Mark that motor is amazing. It makes more horse power than my car with both the original and new motor combined!

[rat_rod_russell]

Killer line work! Line and electrical some of my favorite details to look at on a project. They say so much about your focus and attention to detail on a project.

I really want to run ABS on the PT-57. I wish you had a "how to" article somewhere on the interwebs for those of us who wish to follow in your footsteps.

-Russell

[HBRod]

Beautiful line work. As previously said, great attention to detail. Is the distribution block on the front cross member possible due to the set back of the engine in the car this time or is this the same as Mayhem? Regardless it is both fun and educational to watch you piece together your cars. I really do appreciate the amount of work you do to support this thread while building the car, working full time (at a job that all of us wish we had the knowledge and skill to do), and having a life for you and your new wife.

Thank you,
Rod

[bentfab]

I also hammed out all the brake lines for the ABS system over the last week. Just for referance these brake lines took me a full week to make and I've done this twice before. 40 feet of brake lines. But doing it with out the front clip is a huge time saver.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_4734_zpsa8380537.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_4735_zps1526190c.jpg



HAHA !!!

I think I know what you mean... Looks killer !


Mark

[Stielow]

HAHA !!!

I think I know what you mean... Looks killer !


Mark

Thanks. I think it is OCD issue. Doing hard lines. :bang:

[Stielow]

Ricks made me a very nice tank with twin Camaro ZL-1 pumps.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_4649_zps79b32e7d.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/P1011026_zpsa0d23172.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_4643_zps93e6e97a.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_4642_zps29257e01.jpg

Vapor Worx preressure feedback sensor and TechAFX lines

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_4779_zps19b51e57.jpg

[Swain]

Very nice Mark.

[Stielow]

I went with a Centerforce Clutch and D &D Performance in Wixon Mi installed a oil pump in my trans. They are offering this now. It is the same pump as the TR6060 in a Magnum box. I will use it to pump my trans fluid to the rad to cool the fluid then that fluid will go to the diff.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_4758_zpsa2695a3c.jpg

This a GT500 throw out bearing with a quick connect. The GT500 CSC has more travel and a smaller effective piston area so it will stroke farther.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_4765_zpscc7020ff.jpg

Diff cooler


http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_4755_zps08cb0738.jpg

I installed the engine, trans, rear axle, drive shaft and fuel tank last weekend.

Also you can see the Bosch ABS controller in this shot in front of the engine. Late change to go to Bosch to work with the Carbon Ceramic Brakes

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_4763_zpsc4aadc81.jpg

[Stielow]

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_4781_zpsbea5b4e9.jpg

[Sieg]

Progress! :thumbsup:

[Track Junky]

Lord!! The Insanity!! This car is going to be insane!! :hairpullout:

[MeanMike]

This a GT500 throw out bearing with a quick connect. The GT500 CSC has more travel and a smaller effective piston area so it will stroke farther.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_4765_zpscc7020ff.jpg

Interesting. I love how you use so many factory parts. How do you bleed the system?

[bentfab]

Hey Mark,

Can you clear some room in your PM box.


Mark

[Ppd1979]

In the picture of the front of the trans is the fluid pump in the bottom left?

[Stielow]

In the picture of the front of the trans is the fluid pump in the bottom left?

Yes the discharge for the pump is the AN fitting on the lower left. The return is on the side of the trans.

[mitch_04]

I hope to someday have a project and shop that are so clean I can work in shorts and sandals...well... I still work in shorts and sandals, but my feet are really dirty!

Thanks for the thread Mark, it's inspiring watching this build. Above my budget, but I love the engineering that goes along with the parts. The differential cooler, Z06 rear axle bearings...great stuff!

[Frankenstine]

OUTSTANDING work Mr Stielow .
:king:

[andreb]

Like always, your builds are amazing. Your garage is awesome too. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.

[214Chevy]

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_4763_zpsc4aadc81.jpg


CLASSIC!! ...(and this gentlemen, is Mr. Stielow hard at work.)
:flashie: :flashie: :flashie: :flashie::flashie: :flashie: :flashie: :flashie:

[dontlifttoshift]

Mark, that's a lot of progress in a week.

Since you're pumping transmission fluid anyways, and reason to add or not add a filter inline?

[Van B]

Is that brake ducting in the end of the frame rails, or? Awesome execution all around.

[Sieg]

Is that brake ducting in the end of the frame rails
Good eyes :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Is that brake ducting in the end of the frame rails, or?

Good eyes :thumbsup:

and/or good memory. :D

Oh yes we are using the DSE Hydraformed rails for brake cooling ducts. I need to be more careful on the pictures I post....

Matt opened up the rail and capped off internally and added a curved piece to turn the air. 18 X 11 wheel no problems lock to lock. :idea:

With the Anvil lower front valance it is wide open for brake ducts. We squared off the end of the frame rail and removed all the bumper bracket holes. Then added front duct that pull of the opening in the lower valance.

Now that you guys figured that I can post the rest of the pictures when I find them.

With Carbon Ceramic Brakes you need a lot of air flow to cool the brakes. Especially when you are making 875 HP. They don't have much thermal mass so much the cooling needs to be by air flow.

Mark

[tom091074]

Mark, what's the plan for the brake cooling duct from the frame to the rotors?

[LS7 Z/28]

Mark are you using -12 for both the feed and scavenge lines to the Peterson tank? Looking at their part numbers it's confusing because they have a -16 port for their LS7 pan adapter?

615-08-0502 -12X-12
615-08-0503 -16X-12 ???

[Stielow]

Mark, what's the plan for the brake cooling duct from the frame to the rotors?

I'm not sure yet. Still need to see how it rest of it packages.

Mark

[tom091074]

I'll stay turned either way. :confused59: love your builds!

[GRob]

Mark, as always your build is impeccable.

Will you be using Brembo's CCM-R brakes which appear to be their aftermarket carbon brake offering or will you be adopting the OEM Z-28 brakes to your application?

[Stielow]

Mark are you using -12 for both the feed and scavenge lines to the Peterson tank? Looking at their part numbers it's confusing because they have a -16 port for their LS7 pan adapter?

615-08-0502 -12X-12
615-08-0503 -16X-12 ???

I like using a -16 to feed the engine and a -12 to return to the tank. It maybe over kill but it adds oil volume to the system and seem directionally correct.

Mark

[LS7 Z/28]

I like using a -16 to feed the engine and a -12 to return to the tank. It maybe over kill but it adds oil volume to the system and seem directionally correct.

Mark
Thank you Mark. So you are running the larger -16 line but your aren't modifying the tank and the LS7 pan... You are reducing from -16 down to -12 at the both connections of the feed line?

[cjfirstgen]

This a GT500 throw out bearing with a quick connect. The GT500 CSC has more travel and a smaller effective piston area so it will stroke farther.


Hmmm...so I will be running a Tilton 7/8" mstr cyl and was planning on running a Tilton 6000 series TOB. Would this GT500 TOB be the way to go on a T56 Magnum?

[Stielow]

Mark, as always your build is impeccable.

Will you be using Brembo's CCM-R brakes which appear to be their aftermarket carbon brake offering or will you be adopting the OEM Z-28 brakes to your application?

I'm running the production Corvette ZR-1 CCM brakes with Bosch ABS ECBM. We ran CCMs on Jackass and they work great, just a bit challanging on the track to keep from locking a tire when they are hot. They go up in output as they get hotter.

Mark

[Stielow]

Thank you Mark. So you are running the larger -16 line but your aren't modifying the tank and the LS7 pan... You are reducing from -16 down to -12 at the both connections of the feed line?

We have a Peterson tank with a -16 output and the oil pan is stock LS7 so it does neck down at the pan.

Mark

[Stielow]

Hmmm...so I will be running a Tilton 7/8" mstr cyl and was planning on running a Tilton 6000 series TOB. Would this GT500 TOB be the way to go on a T56 Magnum?

The OE CSC (Concentric Slave Cylinders) self-adjust as the clutch wears. The "race" stuff needs to be set and as the clutch wears the pickup point moves. Well that is how it was explaned to me by one of the guys who designed this stuff.

So far the pedal efforts for my set up feels great. I bench bled my CSC and my master cylender before I installed them so it worked right are without a bleed.

Mark

[LS7 Z/28]

We have a Peterson tank with a -16 output and the oil pan is stock LS7 so it does neck down at the pan.

Mark

Thank you Mark

[SlowProgress]

Mark when you get a chance please post up the thought process behind the Centerforce clutch over the LS9 clutch you were planning earlier.
Also, any photos of the liquid coolant loop routing would be appreciated.

Thanks for all the useful information!!

[Stielow]

Mark when you get a chance please post up the thought process behind the Centerforce clutch over the LS9 clutch you were planning earlier.
Also, any photos of the liquid coolant loop routing would be appreciated.

Thanks for all the useful information!!

The LS9 clutch works great up to about 825 ft*lbs TQ. I was on the edge of capacity of that clutch in Red Devil and Mayhem. If you slipped (Got real hot) the LS9 clutch its high RPM reserve (Not fully releasing) was reduced. You would notice this on WOT 2-3s and 3-4s. The Centerforce will hold 1300 ft*lbs. Per Will Baty at Centerforce it will work fine with the F-body CSC but it will have better life with the GT500 Mustang CSC. It took a bit of digging but I found the GT500 part has less effective piston area so for the same master displacement it should stroke farther at the trade off a bit more pedal effort. I made my own Swedgelok quick disconnects and bench bled the system before I installed it. I'll try to take some pictures tonight. The pedal efforts seem correct to me about 35 lbs. On the high side for an OE application but good for a 957 HP Hot Rod. Statically testing it the pickup point seems correct so far I'm happy with it. Randy Johnson and Chris Smith let me drive there cars and the low speed drivabilty of the DYAD seems good. The true test come at the track.

Mark

[Stielow]

We made a lot of progress over the weekend. My buddy Ryan Kuhlenbeck was back in town to help with the wiring. Intergrating the new Bosch ABS was not trivial. We finished the whole front engine bay harness. I have started on all the soft lines and I'm about half done. Jeesh this car has a lot of wires and hoses.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/20140831_104850_zps093e2def.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/20140829_133958_zpsf439ca6f.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_4781_zpsbea5b4e9.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/20140827_200907_zpsc51a21a6.jpg

The rear axle and fuel tank are DONE!

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/20140825_070518_zps84bf1f0e.jpg

[tubbed69]

Mark your work is always so impressive because when you open the hood it looks like it should have came this way from the factory,beautiful car:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[KPC67]

:thumbsup:

[LS7 Z/28]

Who are you trying to fool with that wimpy LS9 engine cover. :lol:

[Stielow]

Who are you trying to fool with that wimpy LS9 engine cover. :lol:

She's all stock....:sieg: LOL

At most local car shows no one knows the differance.

Mark

[LS7 Z/28]

She's all stock....:sieg: LOL

At most local car shows no one knows the differance.

Mark

Haha! throw some 302 badges on the hood for the hell of it. Keep 'em guessing.

[Z06Joe]

This is such an awesome build!!!! Wanna sell it to me and start on a new one and do the things on that one that you didn't do on this one???

I know... I know... :snapout:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

looking good.

Don't forget to post pictures of Ryan's under dash work. Its always inspiring to see clean wiring.

[OLDFLM]

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/20140831_104850_zps093e2def.jpg


Where's the link for the "Stielow Shop Cam" so we can watch updates in real time? That's the only way to feed this "habit" imho!

[Ketzer]

Where's the link for the "Stielow Shop Cam" so we can watch updates in real time? That's the only way to feed this "habit" imho!

x 1,000!! Shop cam, shop cam, shop cam!!:tv_happy:



Jeff-

[SlowProgress]

The LS9 clutch works great up to about 825 ft*lbs TQ. I was on the edge of capacity of that clutch in Red Devil and Mayhem. .............. Randy Johnson and Chris Smith let me drive their cars and the low speed drivabilty of the DYAD seems good. The true test comes at the track.

Mark


Mark thanks for the information. Just about to purchase the clutch and DYAD was one of the ones at the top of the list. The CSC (throwout bearing) info. was really appreciated.

Scott

[Keithq68]

Love this build. Im assuming that you needed to change the wheel speed sensors when you changed to the Bosch ABS unit.
I think the Bosch unit communicates over the CAN bus with the BCM.
Are you going to take advantage of the traction control?
Did you need to add the interior switches that communicate with the BCM for the different traction control levels?

Looking forward to more updates.

Keith Quinn.

[Stielow]

Love this build. Im assuming that you needed to change the wheel speed sensors when you changed to the Bosch ABS unit.
I think the Bosch unit communicates over the CAN bus with the BCM.
Are you going to take advantage of the traction control?
Did you need to add the interior switches that communicate with the BCM for the different traction control levels?

Looking forward to more updates.

Keith Quinn.

I did not do traction control. The only car I have ever driven that has good Traction Control is the New Z/28. It has a Performance Traction Management system that needs a lot of stuff to work and a ton of development to make it faster than driver’s best effort. On most tracks I'm still just as fast if not faster with PTM off vs it on. I could add Bosch traction control to my set up but in my opion it would not make the car faster just easier to drive. On tracks like the Nürburgring where you do get airborne and light a lot PTM works great.

L3enb4lWmKs

The Bosch system requires the stock Corvette ZR-1 active wheel speed sensors. So that was not a real big deal. It does have a lot more CAN interface and a driver selectable ABS switch. Because Bosch is the supplier for the ABS for both the Z/28 and the ZR-1 they can interface with the Carbon brakes better.

Mark

[Sales@Dutchboys]

A few pictures of the flat cleared carbon parts for the engine compartment we finished up.
The bottom of the hood is also flat cleared carbon.

Looking forward to seeing them on the car!


http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps805c2eb6.jpg (http://s119.photobucket.com/user/novablue71/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps805c2eb6.jpg.html)

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsa440a5bb.jpg (http://s119.photobucket.com/user/novablue71/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsa440a5bb.jpg.html)

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsa29ab9c5.jpg (http://s119.photobucket.com/user/novablue71/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsa29ab9c5.jpg.html)

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps69d398f3.jpg (http://s119.photobucket.com/user/novablue71/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps69d398f3.jpg.html)

[syborg tt]

Great pics Paul

[Roberts68]

That satin clear carbon is pure awesome. It is going to look killer as the backdrop for Marks pseudo-OEM appearance underhood

[Evan Iroc-Z]

Watching this thread is just not fair. This car is an absolute thing of beauty with every single piece thought out to the Nth degree. Amazing work and the perfect car to strive for.

[Z06Joe]

Those carbon pieces look amazing!!!! The attention to detail is unreal!!!

[Lopeycam]

Awesome build

[HBRod]

Mark, will we be able to see XV at SEMA this year. Just curious if we can see this beautiful machine there. The pictures are great but it's always better seeing a car in person.

Rod

[camcojb]

Mark, will we be able to see XV at SEMA this year. Just curious if we can see this beautiful machine there. The pictures are great but it's always better seeing a car in person.

Rod
It will be there, in the Optima booth I believe.

[Stielow]

It will be there, in the Optima booth I believe.

That is the plan. A few late nights left to get it done... and more packages from UPS

:ups:

Seems like I have a $100 dollar a day habit with Summit.

Mark

[Blake Foster]

That is the plan. A few late nights left to get it done... and more packages from UPS

:ups:

Seems like I have a $100 dollar a day habit with Summit.

Mark

ONLY 100.00 a DAY................ you must be finished.

[Rick D]

That is the plan. A few late nights left to get it done... and more packages from UPS

:ups:

Seems like I have a $100 dollar a day habit with Summit.

Mark

ONLY 100.00 a DAY................ you must be finished.

Yeah right? :headspin: I remember when we were finishing up a project for a show years back and the CC was smoking!! Every order seemed to be $500 plus at a crack and sometimes a couple a day. :ups:

[bonecrrusher]

Going to put an LT4 in the next car?

[BBC71Nova]

Going to put an LT4 in the next car?

Yeah I too fully expected an LT1 based build in this car. Soon enough I guess... :)

[WSSix]

He started building this car and engine before the new LT motors were released.

Good luck making SEMA, Mark.

[Keithq68]

Hey Mark.
I think the hubs you had on the car before were 33 spline with the wheel speed sensor for the early style C6 ABS, is that correct?
I'm not sure if you still have them, if you do would you be interested in selling them?
PM me if you are.

Thanks.

Keith Quinn.

[kwhizz]

Watching this thread is just not fair. This car is an absolute thing of beauty with every single piece thought out to the Nth degree. Amazing work and the perfect car to strive for.



x 100000000000

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Watching this thread is just not fair. This car is an absolute thing of beauty with every single piece thought out to the Nth degree. Amazing work and the perfect car to strive for.

x 100000000000

Yep, its not high dollar stuff that does it too, its the time, planning and detail that makes this build great.

[mitch_04]

It's a catch-22 thread. It makes me sad because I'll never build a car this nice, or even be capable of such quality. However, it also inspires me to get in the garage and do my best using whats available to me. Someday....

[camcojb]

It runs!! :thumbsup:

http://lateral-g.net/mark-stielows-latest-69-camaro-project-hellfire/15/

[Rick D]

Saw that earlier today on FB, tic Toc Mark times running out :hello: at this rate your not going to have much testing time.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

she's a beast

[glassman]

she's a beast

Beauty and the Beast right there....Should be called "red", gets finer with age.

[Stielow]

Another long weekend but it is running and the wiring is close to being done.

I finished the oil fill / dip stick for the hidden dry sump tank.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/38826620-8878-42c9-8d5a-185b6bef31af_zps56bdc837.jpg

The main wiring is done and all that is left is the dash connector.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/20140914_151125_zps543c0f3a.jpg

A lot of Zip ties died in the process

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/20140914_170719_zps8688cb26.jpg

The engine plumbing is turning out well

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/7861cb06-e142-419c-94cb-9b7f3b4aa069_zps66d15031.jpg

The car is off to Sled Alley tomorrow for Matt to hammer out the interior. I have a GM business trip for a week so when I get home the inerior should be done.

I wanted to drive the car into Matt's and I can!

Mark

[Stielow]

Saw that earlier today on FB, tic Toc Mark times running out :hello: at this rate your not going to have much testing time.

:thankyou: for nothing.....

What SEMA is in 6 weeks?

Mark

[Ricochet]

:thankyou: for nothing.....

What SEMA is in 6 weeks?

Mark

qztuEucrNBc

[coolwelder62]

Mark,Very Clean.

[GregWeld]

Zip ties = "extra set of hands"



LOL

[Sieg]

:thankyou: for nothing.....

What SEMA is in 6 weeks?

Mark

49 days :welcome3:

[HBRod]

The wiring looks so cool. Nice neat tidy - really looks way better then under the dash of the original harness from GM in the day. Something to strive for in our own builds.

Rod

[Vince@Meanstreets]

49 days :welcome3:

thats 588 working hours. Plenty of time!!

[formula88]

Hellfire loaded up and heading over to Sled Alley for glass and interior install.

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_1190.jpg (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/67CamaroLS7/media/DSC_1190.jpg.html)

[LS7 Z/28]

Awesome photo Gordon, thanks for posting. Your car looks awesome too.

[WSSix]

three really great cars in that picture right there.

[GregWeld]

...... and then Laura gets a car perhaps?? LOL

[clill]

LOL...just like Gwen does.

[Stielow]

Hellfire loaded up and heading over to Sled Alley for glass and interior install.

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_1190.jpg (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/67CamaroLS7/media/DSC_1190.jpg.html)

Gordon thanks for the photo. We drove Hellfire up on the trailer under its own power! The new Centerforce clutch is easy to modulate even sitting on a milk crate. If I would have had a real seat in it I could have cruised the neighborhood to show my new neighbros what a red neck I really am. Just to seal the deal after firing the car at 2 AM.

The car is off to Sled Alley for a week and a half to get the glass and interior done. I have to be out of town on GM business so Matt will keep it moving.

Then the Dutchboys come over on Sept 27 to put the front end on the car and it should be close to driving.

Mark

[1coolC2]

Mark,

Does that milk crate have a slot for the 5th point of your harness??? :D Car looks awesome, can't wait to see it at SEMA/OPTIMA!!

R/
Jeff

[OLDFLM]

You can really see the vision you had for this build in this pic Mark! That red against the wheel color and the exposed carbon fiber is going to look fantastic!! :drool:

Can't wait to see it all button up with the front clip on the car!


btw where's the link to that shop cam we talked about?!?

[Sieg]

If I would have had a real seat in it I could have cruised the neighborhood to show my new neighbros what a red neck I really am. Just to seal the deal after firing the car at 2 AM.

So is it neighbros or neighbors in your neck of the woods? :D

[Stielow]

So is it neighbros or neighbors in your neck of the woods? :D

Jody needs to add spell check to his site.... I'm an engineer so my spelling is lacking.

Mark

[GregWeld]

So is it neighbros or neighbors in your neck of the woods? :D




HEY!! He's "the god" of Pro Touring --- EVERYBODY wants to be his friend... so it's only right that they be neighbros.

[Sieg]

Jody needs to add spell check to his site.... I'm an engineer so my spelling is lacking.

Mark
I edit a fair amount of spelling errors behind the scenes.......but neighbros is in the Urban Dictionary. :D

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=neighbro

[RussMurco]

If I would have had a real seat in it I could have cruised the neighborhood to show my new neighbros what a red neck I really am. Just to seal the deal after firing the car at 2 AM.
Mark
If I was one of your new neighbors I'd have a Barcalounger in the front yard and a tub of popcorn ready whenever I heard a car fire up behind your house!

[LS7 Z/28]

I edit a fair amount of spelling errors behind the scenes.......
Forget Spell Check... Lateral-G has Sieg Check.

[camcojb]

Forget Spell Check... Lateral-G has Sieg Check.
Yes it does. :lol:

[Flash68]

Forget Spell Check... Lateral-G has Sieg Check.

Yes it does. :lol:

What you don't know is that there are several on the team that check Sieg.

:sieg:

[MotorCityImpala]

Mark
Congratulations on another awesome build. I've been following your builds since the White one lap car in the early 90's. I can't recall the magazine but there was a pic of your car in front of the CPC sign on Vandyke. Talk about a throwback. My last job before I left for Florida I was at the VEC as a Service Engineer for Interior trim.

Anyway I am getting ready to start my build on my DD '87 Caprice and I am wondering if you have made any mods to the trunk floor for fuel pump access, or do you simply service the pumps by dropping the tank? I know some builders/owners do and most don't. I don't mind dropping the tank but if it makes sense I'll consider it.

Thanks
Todd

[syborg tt]

Gordon,

Thank you for posting the pic - but seriously Gordon we need more pics of your car.

Hellfire loaded up and heading over to Sled Alley for glass and interior install.

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_1190.jpg (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/67CamaroLS7/media/DSC_1190.jpg.html)

[brownz]

Yes more pics... The one thing no one can duplicate accurately is good patina. Mother nature is like no other and thats why I love patina

[Stielow]

Matt at Sled Alley is getting a lot done while I'm out of town. We should be driving it next weekend at this rate.

[Rick D]

Nice!! Great shot!!

[Sieg]

Gotta Like That! :thumbsup:

[Sonar Chief]

Gotta Like That! :thumbsup:

X2 on that .... impressive fer sure!

[formula88]

Hellfire is looking great! Should be ready for the chassis dyno next week.

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_1212.jpg (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/67CamaroLS7/media/DSC_1212.jpg.html)

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[tom091074]

:thumbsup:

[Sieg]

Looking very good :thumbsup:

Curious to see what Hellfire tips the scales at.

[Sonar Chief]

Outstanding :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Mark ... who's headlights are on Hellfire?

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Looks awesome. Those guys at sled alley got their stuff together.

[RussMurco]

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It looks sooo good!!!

Outstanding :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Mark ... who's headlights are on Hellfire?
I was wondering too, are they the Peterson LEDs?

[hifi875]

holy schnikes! those front wheels are WIDE!!. That thing looks wicked.

[MeanMike]

Sweet Jesus. How will you ever improve on this one.

[ccracin]

Looking Good Mark! You have a great team helping you with this!


Outstanding :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Mark ... who's headlights are on Hellfire?

Chief, Mark can correct me, but I believe these are what you are looking for.

http://www.truck-lite.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&productId=92025

We are going to use these on our truck as well.

[ArisESQ]

Looking Good Mark! You have a great team helping you with this!




Chief, Mark can correct me, but I believe these are what you are looking for.

http://www.truck-lite.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&productId=92025

We are going to use these on our truck as well.

I'm also interested in knowing what headlights those are!

Thanks for the info.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

http://collegetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/giphy19.gif

[130fe]

The headlights look like the ones he had on his last build, Trucklite LED 27270c. I lucked out and found a set on Ebay for $100 from a guy that was trading his jeep in. These things are bright and don't need a relay, just plug and play!

[Ketzer]

holy schnikes! those front wheels are WIDE!!. That thing looks wicked.

^^ THIS!! ^^

[next69]

You have to be careful how much you improve in each iteration as you may run out of things to improve but I guess that is what we think every time you build a new car.

With the quality of each build my guess it that the next car has already been conceptualized during this build and will be ironed out after Hellfire has a few days at the track.

Amazing work, you definitely set the bar and inspire everyone in this hobby.

Keep up the killer work, cant wait to see a head to head between Hellfire and the new Z-28.:popcorn2:

[Sieg]

Matt at Sled Alley is getting a lot done while I'm out of town. We should be driving it next weekend at this rate.
You were in Germany weren't you!?

[Stielow]

You were in Germany weren't you!?

No I was at Cal Berkeley on a GM recruiting trip. Looking for new engineers for the Vehicle Dynamics Group.

Mark

[Sieg]

No I was at Cal Berkeley on a GM recruiting trip. Looking for new engineers for the Vehicle Dynamics Group.

Mark

Nurburgring vs Berkeley :rolleyes: :lol:

Successful trip?

Car is looking really good........here's to smooth sailing in October :cheers:

[wiedemab]

Mark - - have you ran into any engineering students that know who you are and/or follow your projects?

Just curious to what level of celebrity you've achieved among the younger demographic. :hail:

[ArisESQ]

I know I definitely knew of Mark when I was an engineering student between 2003 and 2007. I would have done backflips up and down the street at the chance to work with him back then!

Mark - - have you ran into any engineering students that know who you are and/or follow your projects?

Just curious to what level of celebrity you've achieved among the younger demographic. :hail:

[ArisESQ]

Is there a list of every Camaro Mark has built at this point?

I'd love to see a breakdown of the evolution of his cars from the very first to most recent.

[PTAddict]

holy schnikes! those front wheels are WIDE!!. That thing looks wicked.

Mark, how big are those front wheels/tires? And did you need to massage the Anvil fenders and inners to get them to fit?

[WSSix]

Is there a list of every Camaro Mark has built at this point?

I'd love to see a breakdown of the evolution of his cars from the very first to most recent.

I think there is on this site. If Jody doesn't respond, maybe PM him about it. It's been asked before.

[mad68rs]

No I was at Cal Berkeley on a GM recruiting trip. Looking for new engineers for the Vehicle Dynamics Group.

Mark

Mark - - have you ran into any engineering students that know who you are and/or follow your projects?

Just curious to what level of celebrity you've achieved among the younger demographic. :hail:

I was at FSAE Michigan Competition last year. I'm the Technical Director for the Cal Poly FSAE team. I talked with an engineer that said he worked with you on the new Z28, in the Vehicle Dynamics Group. He was formally from Purdue, but I don't recall his name. He was surprised I knew who you were, and that you build 1st Gen Camaros. I really wish you would have came to our school! I'm graduating in Mechanical Engineering this spring, and I've always wanted to work for GM. I'd love to shoot you a resume. I have a good GPA, FSAE experience, I worked for a NASCAR team, rocket company, as a Machine Shop Technician, and did a 1971 Camaro build. I'm in my early-mid 20's. You can reach me at [email protected]. I'm also real good at pushing a broom.

Sorry Mark and Lateral-g, for an off topic post to your thread. I just don't feel like you get opportunities like this everyday. Those Cal Berkeley guys were lucky!

[Stielow]

I was at FSAE Michigan Competition last year. I'm the Technical Director for the Cal Poly FSAE team. I talked with an engineer that said he worked with you on the new Z28, in the Vehicle Dynamics Group. He was formally from Purdue, but I don't recall his name. He was surprised I knew who you were, and that you build 1st Gen Camaros. I really wish you would have came to our school! I'm graduating in Mechanical Engineering this spring, and I've always wanted to work for GM. I'd love to shoot you a resume. I have a good GPA, FSAE experience, I worked for a NASCAR team, rocket company, as a Machine Shop Technician, and did a 1971 Camaro build. I'm in my early-mid 20's. You can reach me at [email protected]. I'm also real good at pushing a broom.

Sorry Mark and Lateral-g, for an off topic post to your thread. I just don't feel like you get opportunities like this everyday. Those Cal Berkeley guys were lucky!

I sent you an E-mail....

Mark

[ccracin]

I sent you an E-mail....

Mark

Class Act^^^^^^

[camcojb]

No I was at Cal Berkeley on a GM recruiting trip. Looking for new engineers for the Vehicle Dynamics Group.

Mark
When you get to hiring old guys without degrees let me know... :lol:

[Stielow]

I dove Hellfire for the first time last night. I was over at Sled Alley and they had the interior and all the glass done. I fired it up and took a spin in there industrial park area. These Camaros are all so the same but different. I love the evolution. Firing it up and driving it off is familiar yet different.

My first impressions:

The D&D Tremec T-56 Magnums shifter feels like a gun bolt. Very cool and very precise feeling. D&D took my stock Magnum box apart and tuned it up. Brass sliders and set up the clearances. They did this while they had it apart for the new oil pump.

The DYAD Centerforce clutch feels great. No noise easy to drive OE feeling pedal efforts. Once I get some break in miles I will see how the high RPM reserve is. If it shifts well at 7000 RPM during a WOT 2 – 3 we will have a winner.

The brake feel is great. Nice high hard brake pedal. I used an OE Bosch ZR-1 booster and master to match the ZR-1 brakes. I copied the pedal ratio and the brakes feel just like a ZR-1! The ABS is also Bosch like the ZR-1 so it should all work as designed.

The new Recaro seats feel great. Supportive yet not like a hard shell. Very comfortable.

The engine had wicked throttle response but with over 800 foot pounds by 2000 rpm it should. It idles at 700 RPM with a very small lope. The Borla exhaust has a very deep sound. I had Borla make me some bigger mufflers and resonator. I think it is no louder at idle than a stock Z/28.

The DSE new steering rack has great steering feel. The best yet. For people who notice these things the new DSE racks are tooled and made by DSE. Look at the casting for the DSE logo. All of the other racks are remanufactured Mustang II stuff. I have personally broke one of the remanufactured racks at VIR at speed.

Sled Alley did a great job on the interior. We used all C.A.R.S. parts and the doors sound like a vault when you close them. Just a great thud sound. We used some Dyna Mat and a lot of the lighter Tac Mat. Matt and Paul also put the front clip on the car. Sled Alley and the Dutchboys make a wicked team if you want a straight body.

We finally got to see the car outside on the ground and the paint is stupid nice. The fits, gaps and surfacing is the best yet. The car is very stunning. (Sorry I wanted to get home and forgot to take a picture.) Matt drove the car up and back and it has a unique look on the road. The PPG red is very deep. That against the carbon fiber has a nice look in my opinion.

Bringing it home tonight to finish the last of the wiring. If the weather is not crappy we should get a bunch of miles on it this weekend.

Mark

[ccracin]

(Sorry I wanted to get home and forgot to take a picture.)
Mark

:warning: :twak: :buttkick: Please say you'll get pics and video this weekend!

Can't wait to see it! It's a great feeling when all the engineering, planning, and effort come together to meet or exceed your expectations!

[Sieg]

Love it when a great plan comes together. Can't wait to see it in person! :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

^^ I'd call that a success. Congrats Mark! :cheers:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

no pictures? I was scrolling down slow expecting a nice low quarter shot or even a video...then I read this (Sorry I wanted to get home and forgot to take a picture.) :faint:


sounds like another great car

[aggie91]

Mark - really enjoyed reading your first drive first impression post. The way you described the components was specific but not to technical.

The pictures of the car so far have been outstanging. Can't wait to see more of the completed car in the sun.

[Flash68]

Mark - really enjoyed reading your first drive first impression post. The way you described the components was specific but not to technical.



Couldn't agree more. Pleasure to read.

[LS7 Z/28]

You know how to build anticipation don't you!

[WSSix]

Congrats Mark and everyone involved. Good luck getting it sorted out for SEMA!

[formula88]

Hellfire is back at Mark's shop! The paint, carbon fiber and cerakote trim/wheels look amazing!


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[formula88]

More pics....

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Camaro%20XV/DSC_1274.jpg (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/67CamaroLS7/media/Camaro%20XV/DSC_1274.jpg.html)

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[waynieZ]

It looks amazing! Beautiful work guys.

[ArisESQ]

Would love to see a pic of the interior!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Have I ever told you how much we appreiciate you Gordon?

Mark, its a master piece. I love the execution and fitment. Sled alley hit it out and them Dutchboys nailed the body work.

Love the front bumper no bumper looking valance.

[73CPCAMARO]

Wow!

Another beautiful build by Mr. Stielow!

Great job and I am looking forward to seeing it in person.

Brian

[Jr]

Beautiful! Great color combination.

Where is the Ecu mounted?

[Stuart Adams]

Sick and Quick. Great Combo.

Looks amazing.