Budget Oiling System Upgrade SBC...

[musclecarmatt]

Hey guys...about to start doing some upgrades to my camaro for the upcoming 2013 pro-touring season...one of my items on the "to do" list.......wanting to upgrade my stock oiling system to make sure when I'm doing some road course and autox that my engine with get the proper oiling it requires....the stock setup probably would work fine but since got to pull my oil pan off to replace rear main seal...though be good time to do so......any advice is appreciated...

Matt

[Track Junky]

Define budget. If you are talking small budget I would start by picking up a road race oil pan and the correct pick up for that pan. Try and find one that incorporates a bung for an oil temp sender.

Pan, pick up, & oil temp gauge will put you in the neighborhood of $400-$500 for a decent set up.

If you notice oil temps getting high during your driving events you will need an oil cooler. This is the time when you will need to do your homework when budget is a concern.

[Sieg]

Define budget. If you are talking small budget I would start by picking up a road race oil pan and the correct pick up for that pan. Try and find one that incorporates a bung for an oil temp sender.

Pan, pick up, & oil temp gauge will put you in the neighborhood of $400-$500 for a decent set up.

If you notice oil temps getting high during your driving events you will need an oil cooler. This is the time when you will need to do your homework when budget is a concern.

Good advice here Matt. :thumbsup:

Adding a cooler and remote filter to the system will increase oil capacity and cooling. The plus is it can be easily done at a later date if oil temps indicate it's needed.

[Ron in SoCal]

...and after all that an oil accumlator (Canton Accusump or Morso) would be the next step. A visual indicator on the dash when oil temp or pressure is out of spec works for some (freaks like me) as well.

[musclecarmatt]

Define budget. If you are talking small budget I would start by picking up a road race oil pan and the correct pick up for that pan. Try and find one that incorporates a bung for an oil temp sender.

Pan, pick up, & oil temp gauge will put you in the neighborhood of $400-$500 for a decent set up.

If you notice oil temps getting high during your driving events you will need an oil cooler. This is the time when you will need to do your homework when budget is a concern.

probably be a small budget for now..$500-600....my plan was as you said road race pan,pickup...also thought about running an Canton Accumsump also as well....what do you recommend for pan and pickup?

[Track Junky]

I'm a big fan of the Canton road race pan I have been using. I just had to purchase another one recently and IIRC it was about $350 to my door.

[Flash68]

Start with this.

http://forums.corner-carvers.com/showthread.php?t=46375

[nicks67ca]

I'm a big fan of the Canton road race pan I have been using. I just had to purchase another one recently and IIRC it was about $350 to my door.

x2 my canton pan never let the pump suck air. Even in long sweeping banks when my stock gas tank would the canton pan with the baffling did its job. you can also run an extra line from the rear of the bock to the front....it helps oil the mains that are farthest from the pump, but that won't help if the pump is suckin air.

[musclecarmatt]

Start with this.

http://forums.corner-carvers.com/showthread.php?t=46375

linky no work.....

[Flash68]

linky no work.....

It's a Canton road race pan for sale for $250.

CC forum must require membership to view. :(

[musclecarmatt]

I'm a big fan of the Canton road race pan I have been using. I just had to purchase another one recently and IIRC it was about $350 to my door.

i really aiming toward canton pan.....also hows the clearance far as headers,oil filter...etc?...like to have a pan that fits the stock subframe without having to modify....

[Track Junky]

I dont have any clearance issues other than it being really close to my rack-n-pinion unit. I'm using part #15-250. My guess is you will probably need the same part no. if you are running a small block.

[musclecarmatt]

I dont have any clearance issues other than it being really close to my rack-n-pinion unit. I'm using part #15-250. My guess is you will probably need the same part no. if you are running a small block.

thanks...i emailed canton racing products see what pan they reccomend.....you have their pickup and oil pump also?

[Track Junky]

I have their pan and pickup. I'm running a high pressure high volume Melling pump but that is due to running a remote filter, oil thermostat, oil cooler, all running through -12 sized lines. You wont need a specific pump for the pan and pick up to work. Pumps typically dont dictate what pick up to use as they are all typically in standard location but pans will vary in depth so be sure to purchase the pick up that goes with the pan.

Others may have a difference in opinion but If you are thinking about replacing your pump I like to stick to the rule of thumb thats been around forever which is 10 lbs of oil pressure for every 1000 rpm......so if your spinning to 6500 rpm 65 lbs of pressure at that rpm should be adequate.

Most important part of an oiling system is that the pick up is always submerged in oil and never given the opportunity to suck air.

I sucked a Moroso pan dry at the end of a long straight with a left hand up hill turn once and that incident cost me a rod bearing. I believe that happened due to the pan not having any trap doors to trap the oil beneath the pump/pickup.

[musclecarmatt]

I have their pan and pickup. I'm running a high pressure high volume Melling pump but that is due to running a remote filter, oil thermostat, oil cooler, all running through -12 sized lines. You wont need a specific pump for the pan and pick up to work. Pumps typically dont dictate what pick up to use as they are all typically in standard location but pans will vary in depth so be sure to purchase the pick up that goes with the pan.

Others may have a difference in opinion but If you are thinking about replacing your pump I like to stick to the rule of thumb thats been around forever which is 10 lbs of oil pressure for every 1000 rpm......so if your spinning to 6500 rpm 65 lbs of pressure at that rpm should be adequate.

Most important part of an oiling system is that the pick up is always submerged in oil and never given the opportunity to suck air.

I sucked a Moroso pan dry at the end of a long straight with a left hand up hill turn once and that incident cost me a rod bearing. I believe that happened due to the pan not having any trap doors to trap the oil beneath the pump/pickup.

looking into the canton pan...with built in windage tray and trap doors....probably end up going with their matching pickup and stick a high volume oil pump in their as well...taking i got a standard oil pump in their now......

few people suggest running at setrab oil cooler as well......

[Track Junky]

I dont think you will have any issues with a high volume pump but before buying something like that ask yourself why you need it. How will a high volume pump benefit your current engine set up? Why not high pressure as apposed to high volume? You dont need to answer that......just saying talk to some engine builders and get educated.

An oil cooler set up can be done any time. If all your doing is autocross you may not need it. You'll know after installing an oil temp gauge.

It's easy to spend in this hobby and if you are on a budget you'll want to spend smart. Keep us posted :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

If you do plan to add a cooler and/or accumulator then a high volume pump is likely a good idea. I'd also change to full synthetic oil to help with viscosity at higher oil temps.

For autocross, a road race pan only will be sufficient.

[Sieg]

Question: Could a road race pan with high volume pump (w/o remote filter, cooler, accumulator) increase the possibility of a starvation condition vs a high pressure std volume pump?

[musclecarmatt]

I dont think you will have any issues with a high volume pump but before buying something like that ask yourself why you need it. How will a high volume pump benefit your current engine set up? Why not high pressure as apposed to high volume? You dont need to answer that......just saying talk to some engine builders and get educated.

An oil cooler set up can be done any time. If all your doing is autocross you may not need it. You'll know after installing an oil temp gauge.

It's easy to spend in this hobby and if you are on a budget you'll want to spend smart. Keep us posted :thumbsup:

i understand completely and looking at all options its going be abit before i can order an parts yet....just trying gain some knowledge and ask bunch of questions lol...

so far i know....i going to be getting new pan w/matching pickup...add oil temp gauge and pressure guage....so keep track of what its doing around the track.....think mostly a high volume pump over standard is moves 20%-30% more i think....

[musclecarmatt]

Question: Could a road race pan with high volume pump (w/o remote filter, cooler, accumulator) increase the possibility of a starvation condition vs a high pressure std volume pump?

to me like you said the high volume probably work best with a remote filter,cooler and accumulator being that its going to move more volume through them compenents.....being that i still running the oil filter on the motor with adding an accumulator the high pressure pump should be plenty......i think it would be upgrade with the new road race pan...over factory standard pump....could be the factory pump mite be sufficient?

[Track Junky]

If your looking to save some money just change out the pressure relief spring in your stock pump to the Z/28 spring. This will give you standard volume but bump pressure up to 60-70 lbs. The stock sring is good to about 55 lbs and in my opinion that isn't enough if your spinning to 6500 rpm.

Just remember the rule of thumb.....10 lbs of hot oil pressure for every 1000 rpm.

[intocarss]

https://www.cantonracingproducts.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=22-150

[musclecarmatt]

https://www.cantonracingproducts.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=22-150

thats a good idea....contacted canton racing and they reccomended the 15-250 pan along with their matching pickup.....if i installed the 15-250 RR pan w/pickup,high pressure spring,and install accumsump...that be a good budget upgrade over stock..

[Bryce]

I talked with canton, moroso and milodon at SEMA. I will begoing with the Canton. THe trap doors and shelf looked great. Moroso looked good too and they have billet rails and can build it out of aluminum. I was looking for a SBF pan but the engineering is probably the same.