Coming Soon to a GMR near you!

[JasonElvisHeard]

NOT available yet, but coming soon!


More information will be provided upon “official” release!


http://thegmr.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/gmr-pro-tour-c6-rear-end-flance-semi-floater-main-1024x314.jpg


The Concept – Due to demand from our growing client base The GMR has been working on another option for your rear end demands! We needed something that replaces the gap between Full-Floater and Semi-Floater. Although this setup is not a full floater it is however a step above traditional flange style axles. To complement our growing OEM style line of products this rear end is perfect for the true OEM die hard fanatic!




http://thegmr.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/gmr-pro-tour-c6-rear-end-flance-semi-floater-main-2-1024x144.jpg



I would like to say it was rocket science but honestly its really simple, start with a General Motors stock ZR1 upright with Z06 brake package and slap it onto a housing. Remove the upright and relocate the caliper, then connect the dots…. BAM! A proven and great OEM offering for your rear end!


What to look for!
Will Accept ANY C5/6 stock hub assembly, GMR suggests the 33 spline Zr1 rear hub but GMR will also tear them apart and replace the internals with ceramic bearings for those seeking the ultimate in performance.
These will fit ANY housing, from 12-bolt to Ford 9 inch and up to a 3.25″ axle tube diameter.
Will accept ANY brake package designed for the rear of a C5/6 Corvette.
Retains the stock parking brake assembly and hub electronics
Will work with ANY suspension package
Can be installed by ANY GMR Builder with the TX-C6 components
Axles available in Hy-tuf and 300M for ANY gear set configuration.




Here is a PDF of the GMR9-C6 Rear End Order Form for you to review should you have any questions.

http://thegmr.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/GMR9-rear-end-Build-Sheet-C6.pdf

Jason

[coolwelder62]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Sieg]

Knock it off! You're bringing products to market faster than I can fabricate revenue to purchase them!! :mad: :cheers:

[JasonElvisHeard]

Knock it off! You're bringing products to market faster than I can fabricate revenue to purchase them!! :mad: :cheers:


Im surprised that I have still not had any comments on the NEW GMR9-ERR-300 housing is all these recent pics I have posted... :D

The first EVER fabricated housing designed just for the Pro-Touring industry... 3-weeks until its release! :thumbsup:
and thanks for the comments! :cheers:

Jason

[Ron in SoCal]

Nice work Jason! I'm partial to this design. :D Tell me about the axles and inner seals you're using?

[Jay@GMR]

Nice work Jason! I'm partial to this design. :D Tell me about the axles and inner seals you're using?

Hey Ron,

Basically axles resemble the Corvette "half shaft" outer.... and of course being a live axle now, will be a traditional spline of choice at the carrier.

We are using a very common seal that is available at any auto parts store/summit/etc. It installs in the weld on end and is the only seal we will recommend with this setup.

We will be releasing more details on axles/etc. soon. We are happy to round out our product line with this OEM style live axle.

Thanks for the kind words Ron... your car is looking real nice!

Jay

[Ron in SoCal]

Thanks Jay. I hope this is a home run for you guys :cheers:

[Rick D]

Jay looks great! Question I have a DSE 9 inch housing q-link brackets, what would I need to do to use this setup? Do I need to change the housing ends? Does the houing have to be done by GMR or can it be done by anyone? I have Strange 30 minutes from me. I know you haven't released this yet but I really like this idea. Thanks

[Jay@GMR]

Jay looks great! Question I have a DSE 9 inch housing q-link brackets, what would I need to do to use this setup? Do I need to change the housing ends? Does the houing have to be done by GMR or can it be done by anyone? I have Strange 30 minutes from me. I know you haven't released this yet but I really like this idea. Thanks

Hi Rick,

Yes, cut off existing housing ends and install new GMR C6 End.

No the install is not recommended without GMR-TX system or by GMR-TX builder.

C6 Flange End Kits will need to be purchased through the GMR builder whom will be performing the install.


Now with that being said there are a few variables to whether or not you will be able to obtain your exact existing wheel mount surface.

The biggest variable is what length flange end your current housing has. For example Curry has a Big Ford end that measures approx. 1-1/4" from weld side to axle flange side, were as Art Morrison has a Big Ford end that measures 2". The Curry "End" is able to be cut off and almost obtain your existing WMS but would fall approx. 1/4" short per side. The Art Morrison end once cut off will shorten your WMS by approx. 1" per side.

So you will see, depending on how long your current "end" is will affect WMS with new system.

BUT, we are already working on a cost effective solution that will guarantee you can obtain current WMS. Sure it would be easy to just add material to the length of the C6 End on the "welded side" to gain distance..... but that is additional material cost/machine time and believe it or not these bad boys are machine time intense. We have a couple things we are working out right now so keep your fingers crossed!

Let me know how long your flange end is. Hope this info helped. Please do not hesitate to ask questions.

Thanks, Jay

[Ron in SoCal]

^ It's a Moser housing and has the long ends on it. Same issue I had w it, so you'll need to modify it to assure the same WMS.

Did you keep the killer box Rick? :D

[Jay@GMR]

Thanks Ron.

The more common end we are finding out is a little longer than the short guy that CURRY offers. And if you already have current rearend/wheel/tire package we realize the importance of making this kit applicable to existing rearends.

Perhaps the answer is in lengthening the weld on Flange End which will increase the price quite a bit due to material cost and more so to machine time. BUT I would hope folks would be willing to spend more on this kit knowing that they would be able to retain their existing Wheels/Tires/Rearend.......

So basically looks like we need two kits:

(1) Standard Kit for folks starting off without Housing

(2) Retrofit Kit for folks with existing Housings/Wheels/Tires (longer weld on Flange End)

Jay

[Gandalf]

+1 for existing Moser housing.

G.

[Rick D]

Hi Rick,

Yes, cut off existing housing ends and install new GMR C6 End.

No the install is not recommended without GMR-TX system or by GMR-TX builder.

C6 Flange End Kits will need to be purchased through the GMR builder whom will be performing the install.


Now with that being said there are a few variables to whether or not you will be able to obtain your exact existing wheel mount surface.

The biggest variable is what length flange end your current housing has. For example Curry has a Big Ford end that measures approx. 1-1/4" from weld side to axle flange side, were as Art Morrison has a Big Ford end that measures 2". The Curry "End" is able to be cut off and almost obtain your existing WMS but would fall approx. 1/4" short per side. The Art Morrison end once cut off will shorten your WMS by approx. 1" per side.

So you will see, depending on how long your current "end" is will affect WMS with new system.

BUT, we are already working on a cost effective solution that will guarantee you can obtain current WMS. Sure it would be easy to just add material to the length of the C6 End on the "welded side" to gain distance..... but that is additional material cost/machine time and believe it or not these bad boys are machine time intense. We have a couple things we are working out right now so keep your fingers crossed!

Let me know how long your flange end is. Hope this info helped. Please do not hesitate to ask questions.

Thanks, Jay

Thanks Jay! I do not have wheels yet so I'm good there, I think :_paranoid

Another question what is the biggest benefit to this over the standard setup I currently have? I understand it's not a full floater correct? Any GMR builders in the Midwest?

^ It's a Moser housing and has the long ends on it. Same issue I had w it, so you'll need to modify it to assure the same WMS.

Did you keep the killer box Rick? :D

Yup Ron I still have it :cool: would be easier to have someone closer so I wouldn't have to ship back across the country :(

[Jay@GMR]

Thanks Jay! I do not have wheels yet so I'm good there, I think :_paranoid

Another question what is the biggest benefit to this over the standard setup I currently have? I understand it's not a full floater correct? Any GMR builders in the Midwest?



Yup Ron I still have it :cool: would be easier to have someone closer so I wouldn't have to ship back across the country :(


Rick,

Some benefits of this system are:

Virtually eliminates "Piston Knockback"
Outlasts "traditional flange axle" bearings
Light-weight parking brake assembly
OEM type "over the counter" parts replacement
Utilizes All OEM and aftermarket C5/6 Corvette Model brake packages
Will fit many NON Mini-tubbed application due to small packaging
Allows usage of modern electronics such as TC & ABS
Updated "Cool Factor"


BUT yes you are correct, it is NOT technically a full floater and we do not want others to mistake it for one.


We do have a builder in your State. We are working with him now to see if he is on board with this new C6 system. It is up to each TX System Builder to whether he wants to participate. I will let you know ASAP.

Thanks, Jay

[Jay@GMR]

+1 for existing Moser housing.

G.

Gandalf,

We are working on this "Retro-fit Kit" now. It will be identical to the one pictured in our original post, with the exception of the approx. 1.5" extension on the steel flange that welds to the axle tube.

We will start a "interest list" soon on this thread so please stay tuned!

These are gonna be super cool for the guy that already has a housing/wheels/tires.

Thanks, Jay

[carbuff]

Jay,

I'm curious what options actually exist for a housing which I already own. I'm a bit confused by what appear to be multiple options.

I have a housing which has the Ford big-end flanges on it. I haven't assembled this housing or purchased wheels or anything else yet, so I don't have those issues. I do have brackets mounted for the rear suspension components which I am going to use.

If I were willing to ship the housing to you, or one of your dealers, what of the GMR options would I have? It sounds like from this thread that there could be a way to do the semi-floating setup. What about your full floating setup? Can that be installed on a housing like this?

I may pursue one of these options before assembling and installing this rear axle. If you want, could you PM some pricing on these various options as well?

Thanx!

[Jay@GMR]

Jay,

I'm curious what options actually exist for a housing which I already own. I'm a bit confused by what appear to be multiple options.

I have a housing which has the Ford big-end flanges on it. I haven't assembled this housing or purchased wheels or anything else yet, so I don't have those issues. I do have brackets mounted for the rear suspension components which I am going to use.

If I were willing to ship the housing to you, or one of your dealers, what of the GMR options would I have? It sounds like from this thread that there could be a way to do the semi-floating setup. What about your full floating setup? Can that be installed on a housing like this?

I may pursue one of these options before assembling and installing this rear axle. If you want, could you PM some pricing on these various options as well?

Thanx!

Hello carbuff,

Sorry for all the confusion. Given the scenario you have laid out......you have two choices and are in a prime position since you have not ordered wheels yet. Both scenarios could utilize your current housing.

(1) GMR "Standard" C6 Flange End Kit

*your WMS to WMS would be approx. 1" per side narrower than what you have now


(2) GMR "Full Floater" kit

*your wheel mount surface could remain as it is

YES we most certainly can install our FULL FLOAT kit as well. Both are nice setups, but only one is available currently if you are in a hurry, and that would be the Full Float kit. Both kits have their advantages, but hands down our Full Float kit will be the strongest option we have.

I will get you a quote, but will need some basic info.

What rear suspension do you run?

Do you run Mini-Tubs?

Do you have a rear brake kit in mind?

Are you wanting a parking brake?

Do you want us to quote you on axles?

Do you want us to quote 3rd member, if so what components?

*we can make recommendation if needed


Thanks, Jay

[MoparCar]

Jay,
Similar question. Mark Williams Enterprises is about 5 blocks away from my office. Can they do the install? Also can you Pm with a quote for your Strange standard housing and your fabbed 9" with this kit? This is a great option.

Thanks-Wes

[Jay@GMR]

Jay,
Similar question. Mark Williams Enterprises is about 5 blocks away from my office. Can they do the install? Also can you Pm with a quote for your Strange standard housing and your fabbed 9" with this kit? This is a great option.

Thanks-Wes

Hello,

Thank you for your interest Wes, but at this time the only sources tooled correctly to fixture our GMR C6 "Hybrid" Kit would be us or any of our current GMR-TX System builders. As for your CO location we would be your closest bet demographically being in AZ.

Now are Mark Williams/Strange capable? ..... absolutely, it is just that the they do not have the fixturing to accomidate our specific component. For others to install our C6 Hybrid kit correctly they would have to invest time/money to manufacture fixturing. Not saying they won't, but doubt they would do this for free and at that point you may has well just have us or a current TX System builder perform the work. Who better to assemble this system than the maker and or regular builders of these type rears.

No problem, I will get you a quote ASAP but remember the pricing has not been set exactly on the C6 Hybrid Kit, so please just remember this may change.

I will need to know some info I have listed below. Please PM me this info along with your Full Name/Address/Email.

What vehicle?

What rear suspension do you run?

Will we be installing the bracketry?

Do you run Mini-Tubs?

Do you have a rear brake kit in mind?

Do you want us to quote you on axles?

Do you want us to quote 3rd member, if so what components?

*we can make recommendation if needed


Thanks, Jay :thumbsup:

[Jay@GMR]

The GMR is first class in every aspect. Product, quality control, customer service.

Thanks Greg!

[Amituk]

I second that!

The work Jason is doing for me is first class! So glad I stumbled across GMR.

I shudder to think what I could of ended up with under my car :_paranoid

[JasonElvisHeard]

Another preview photo of the GMR C6-Hybrid rear end setup!

http://thegmr.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/gmr-pro-tour-c6-rear-end-flance-semi-floater-main-3.jpg


Jason

[dontlifttoshift]

Rick,

We do have a builder in your State. We are working with him now to see if he is on board with this new C6 system. Thanks, Jay

Yep, on board.

What's this new housing? I usually get spy pics

[Jay@GMR]

Yep, on board.

What's this new housing? I usually get spy pics

:thumbsup: We will get pics to you!

[Blake Foster]

"First EVER fabricated housing designed just for the Pro-Touring industry... " it's about time.... :thumbsup:

Here are some questions for you.

Actually these questions come from Protouring and the OP was Baddride II
he is a HUGE GMR supporter.
This was all directed at Speedtech when we released our "floater / semi floater"

I didn't want you to get off to easy.

QUOTE BELOW.
As you and others may know I am very fond of the floater concept so wanted to add some input, so please take with a grain a salt. The quality of your flange seems to be very nice, but I have to ask…..WHY? As I am not sure what has been solved here.

*C5/6 Hubs are VERY heavy (especially the SKF)
*C5/6 Stock Hubs have been known to fail
*C5/6 Hubs are NOT serviceable
*C5/6 Hubs are EXPENSIVE to replace and WILL NEED REPLACING
*C5/6 Hubs are only 28/30 spline and small diameter shaft.
*C5/6 Hubs are of poor design (VERY narrow bearing spread AND are located in-board of WMS)
*ABS can be worked into ANY design cheaply

Serious Off-road has all but done away with this weak style hub unit because of their weaknesses AND the cost to replace them when worn. Chevy/Corvette would do away with them as well but cannot due to the current suspension design (limited distance from steering knuckle face to WMS). So SKF did the best they could and increased flange thickness slightly, spread bearings slightly, and added 3 ball bearings to outer bearing to HELP combat the WMS flange ring from separating AND “ bearing play” from side loading due to poor bearing design.

So it is my thought that if you really run your car hard enough to experience “piston knock-back” and believe you require a “floater”, or run your car at speeds that you think would require additional safety of a “floater”…..somewhat like CORVETTE guys do, you will most certainly need to run the upgraded SKF Hubs to feel any sense of relief/safety. These much needed SKF hubs will run you nearly a $1000 for the pair with ½ -20 studs, installed, and shipped to your door! Not sure what your flange kit will cost…but sure seems like once you get the components needed to make this a marginally worthy performance floater, AND the initial cost of your flange kit….you could have a floater kit that is MUCH stronger AND can be serviced for pennies on the dollar compared to this C5/6 floater. So this idea would appear to the untamed eye to be slightly more affordable initially…….UNTIL its first servicing when the new hub units brake the bank!

I am not saying it will not work for some, but most requiring a floater are not mild cars, i just think that by the time you invest the money to make your kit strong (SKF) and the inevitable servicing cost, money would be better spent in other floater kits that are currently available. Just my $.02 from a consumer’s point of view and is not meant to offend you or others.

That's all Carry on.

[Jay@GMR]

Hey Blake,

Don’t let this thread/release get the best of you. Stay focussed.

Since you have given me this opportunity, I would like to retract my statements that the Hubs are very heavy (since this is all relative), and that ABS can be worked into ANY design cheaply.

If you pay attention to what I was saying, I imply that by the time you incorporate the SKF/ZR1 Hub Units (to get the strength you need to make the setup work/last) that you would be very close to a GMR Full Floater in cost, AND in my opinion would be a much stronger setup and is.

So I still feel this way and have even more experience to speak from since I am well studied in both set-ups and costs.

I think both our GMR kits (Full Floater & C6 Hybrid) will have their place in our marketplace and is the reason GMR is working on this newest C6 “Hybrid” setup. We would hate to get left behind or choose not to fill a gap in the market place as you know firsthand.

I feel the greatest benefits to be reaped from the GMR C6 "Hybrid" setup is the built in electronics and the ability to replace the hub unit at any parts store/GM/etc. outside of this, my personal preference is still the GMR Full Floater.

Thanks, Jay

[JasonElvisHeard]

Thanks for the free thread bump blake! :thumbsup:

Its humbling to see larger companies giving props to us "small" guys, its hard enough being the new kid on the block but with support from guys like yourself we sure are well on our way to being one of the "guys" :unibrow:

oh and Blake, if you use quotations around what was originally said your post wont sound as confusing. Its hard to tell where your comments end and your quoted comments begin.

I was thinking something like this:

""First EVER fabricated housing designed just for the Pro-Touring industry... " it's about time....

Here are some questions for you.

Actually these questions come from Protouring and the OP was Baddride II
he is a HUGE GMR supporter.
This was all directed at Speedtech when we released our "floater / semi floater"

I didn't want you to get off to easy. " (Blake Foster)

"As you and others may know I am very fond of the floater concept so wanted to add some input, so please take with a grain a salt. The quality of your flange seems to be very nice, but I have to ask…..WHY? As I am not sure what has been solved here.

*C5/6 Hubs are VERY heavy (especially the SKF)
*C5/6 Stock Hubs have been known to fail
*C5/6 Hubs are NOT serviceable
*C5/6 Hubs are EXPENSIVE to replace and WILL NEED REPLACING
*C5/6 Hubs are only 28/30 spline and small diameter shaft.
*C5/6 Hubs are of poor design (VERY narrow bearing spread AND are located in-board of WMS)
*ABS can be worked into ANY design cheaply

Serious Off-road has all but done away with this weak style hub unit because of their weaknesses AND the cost to replace them when worn. Chevy/Corvette would do away with them as well but cannot due to the current suspension design (limited distance from steering knuckle face to WMS). So SKF did the best they could and increased flange thickness slightly, spread bearings slightly, and added 3 ball bearings to outer bearing to HELP combat the WMS flange ring from separating AND “ bearing play” from side loading due to poor bearing design.

So it is my thought that if you really run your car hard enough to experience “piston knock-back” and believe you require a “floater”, or run your car at speeds that you think would require additional safety of a “floater”…..somewhat like CORVETTE guys do, you will most certainly need to run the upgraded SKF Hubs to feel any sense of relief/safety. These much needed SKF hubs will run you nearly a $1000 for the pair with ½ -20 studs, installed, and shipped to your door! Not sure what your flange kit will cost…but sure seems like once you get the components needed to make this a marginally worthy performance floater, AND the initial cost of your flange kit….you could have a floater kit that is MUCH stronger AND can be serviced for pennies on the dollar compared to this C5/6 floater. So this idea would appear to the untamed eye to be slightly more affordable initially…….UNTIL its first servicing when the new hub units brake the bank!

I am not saying it will not work for some, but most requiring a floater are not mild cars, i just think that by the time you invest the money to make your kit strong (SKF) and the inevitable servicing cost, money would be better spent in other floater kits that are currently available. Just my $.02 from a consumer’s point of view and is not meant to offend you or others." (Jay)

"That's all Carry on." (Blake Foster)


Jason

[JasonElvisHeard]

see blake...

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?p=441390#post441390

I got your back! :cheers:

Jason

[JasonElvisHeard]

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Jason

[JasonElvisHeard]

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