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JasonElvisHeard

09-21-2012, 04:46 PM

GMR AFX-Front C6 Hub
http://thegmr.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/AFX-camaro-pro-touring-bolt-in-upgith-GMR-hubs-2.jpg

GMR AFX-Brake Man Pro-Tour
http://thegmr.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/AFX-camaro-pro-touring-bolt-in-upgith-GMR-hubs-kit-the-brake-man-F4-package-13-inch-rotor-3.jpg

GMR AFX-Z06 Monobloc
http://thegmr.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/AFX-pro-touring-bolt-in-upgith-GMR-hubs-kit-corvette-c6-Zo6-14-inch-rotor-3.jpg

GMR AFX-Wilwood BNSL
http://thegmr.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/AFX-camaro-pro-touring-bolt-in-upgith-GMR-hubs-kit-wilwood-BNSL-package-13-inch-rotor-3.jpg

Info and Investment structure coming soon.

Jason

Rick D

09-21-2012, 04:56 PM

More info please??? Testing???

JasonElvisHeard

09-21-2012, 05:04 PM

More info please??? Testing???

I will be posting more info as I get everything up on our website. One thing I can tell you is that the first picture, GMR hub and AFX upright PAIR is going to retail at $1876.99

Jason

coolwelder62

09-21-2012, 08:19 PM

Track Junky

09-21-2012, 10:23 PM

JasonElvisHeard

09-25-2012, 08:16 AM

Do you guys carry a Brake Man caliper/rotor set up to replace Bears C4 applications for first gen camaros with stock spindle? I am currently using Bears Track/Touring set up and am interested in going to Brakeman caliper and rotors up front.

Yes. We have an option for you. I will pm you or please email [email protected]

Even if there is no direct bolt on kit usually we can figure something out.
Jason

Jay@GMR

09-25-2012, 03:13 PM

Do you guys carry a Brake Man caliper/rotor set up to replace Bears C4 applications for first gen camaros with stock spindle? I am currently using Bears Track/Touring set up and am interested in going to Brakeman caliper and rotors up front.

Hello Gaetano,

First off, thanks for the opportunity to supply you with the info for your potentially new brake setup. I put together some detailed info below for your review. Please let me know if you have any questions.

You would have a few options:

(1) F4 Caliper w/13” x .810 Pro-Cast Rotor …… $2,161.35

*add $300.00 for Brake Man Hub Kit
*add $50.00 for “Black” Ceramic Caliper option
*add $75.00 for slotted faced rotors (not necessary-more aesthetic)

(2) F4 Caliper w/13” x 1.25 Pro-Cast Rotor …… $2,261.35

*add $300.00 for Brake Man Hub Kit
*add $50.00 for “Black” Ceramic Caliper option
*add $75.00 for slotted faced rotors (not necessary-more aesthetic)

*Above kits are complete with calipers, pads, plain faced directional rotors, brackets, hardware, and stainless lines.

*Above kits require aftermarket hubs…. yours or optional Brake Man Hubs (as the factory rotor has integral studs and bearings).

* Optional Brake Man Hub Kits come with bearings, seals & wheel studs (hub cost is not included in above kit cost as some customers may already have hubs or want to use other brands)

*If customer prefers to use his current aftermarket hub, center hole register and the depth from the hub face to the spindle mount will be needed at time of order (for hat fitment/offset).

*GMR recommends using NEW Brake Man Hub Kits.

Thanks, Jay

Amituk

09-26-2012, 03:16 AM

Coming to a build thread near you soon (see my sig)

I am using a full complement of GMR rolling stock on my car.

Incredible stuff

Track Junky

09-26-2012, 03:36 PM

Hello Gaetano,

First off, thanks for the opportunity to supply you with the info for your potentially new brake setup. I put together some detailed info below for your review. Please let me know if you have any questions.

You would have a few options:

(1) F4 Caliper w/13” x .810 Pro-Cast Rotor …… $2,161.35

*add $300.00 for Brake Man Hub Kit
*add $50.00 for “Black” Ceramic Caliper option
*add $75.00 for slotted faced rotors (not necessary-more aesthetic)

(2) F4 Caliper w/13” x 1.25 Pro-Cast Rotor …… $2,261.35

*add $300.00 for Brake Man Hub Kit
*add $50.00 for “Black” Ceramic Caliper option
*add $75.00 for slotted faced rotors (not necessary-more aesthetic)

*Above kits are complete with calipers, pads, plain faced directional rotors, brackets, hardware, and stainless lines.

*Above kits require aftermarket hubs…. yours or optional Brake Man Hubs (as the factory rotor has integral studs and bearings).

* Optional Brake Man Hub Kits come with bearings, seals & wheel studs (hub cost is not included in above kit cost as some customers may already have hubs or want to use other brands)

*If customer prefers to use his current aftermarket hub, center hole register and the depth from the hub face to the spindle mount will be needed at time of order (for hat fitment/offset).

*GMR recommends using NEW Brake Man Hub Kits.

Thanks, Jay

Thank you Jay. I am not ready at this time but that will be the direction I am heading. I will contact you when the time comes. :thumbsup:

Jay@GMR

09-26-2012, 05:46 PM

Thank you Jay. I am not ready at this time but that will be the direction I am heading. I will contact you when the time comes. :thumbsup:

No problem, just let me know when the time comes or if you need any other info.

Just FYI, Brake Man use to recommend the BAER hub such as the ones you currently have for A, F, X applications so yours are more than adequit. But they now make their own so just wanted to let you know in case you want the whole Brake Man package!

Thanks again, Jay

syborg tt

09-27-2012, 09:18 AM

Hi Jay

I have the Kore3 kit and I am very interested in these spindles. Does you spindle offer and drop I need at least 1" or are they stock height on a 70 Camaro.

Jay@GMR

09-28-2012, 12:41 PM

Hi Jay

I have the Kore3 kit and I am very interested in these spindles. Does you spindle offer and drop I need at least 1" or are they stock height on a 70 Camaro.

Hello, Marty

The CPP Upright package would offer NO drop, sorry.

Thanks, Jay

OLDFLM

09-28-2012, 01:25 PM

Probably a naive question... and a dumb one, but:

What are the advantages over a modified stock spindle?

I too am running the C5/C6 KORE3 hybrid brakes.

Jay@GMR

09-28-2012, 02:01 PM

Probably a naive question... and a dumb one, but:

What are the advantages over a modified stock spindle?

I too am running the C5/C6 KORE3 hybrid brakes.

Not a dumb question at all.

I am almost affraid to answer as to rile up the cheap seats.... but here it goes.

(1) In "my opinion" these new uprights/knuckles are a beefier piece than the original spindle, so you will see less deflection.

(2) It opens you up to the broadest range of brake packages/pad compounds.

(3) Allows you to run electronics such as TC and ABS

(4) You can pick up a hub unit at any auto parts store, never leaving you stranded.

(5) Updated "Cool Factor" same hub technology as the infamous Corvette!

(6) And with the A,F,X Tall Upright - improves negative camber gain under suspension load

Hope this helps, Jay

JasonElvisHeard

10-05-2012, 05:10 PM

This post over on Pt.com can answer some questions that you guys may have. This is from the Engineer who was responsible for the design of these uprights.

"I actually had a very lengthy reply typed up until my computer crashed...so I apologize if I go over things a bit too quickly. I no longer work for CPP, since I could not pass up an opportunity to work on private projects for NASA and the military. I don't frequent this board...I only found this thread when I was recently searching the web to see how the old company I worked at was doing. I took it personally when ATS claimed that I copied their design...when I have never seen or held an ATS part in my hand. I understand that CPP does not have the best reputation for customer service, and there isn't anything I can do about that. As a car enthusiast myself with a degree in engineering, I was personally offended when these dubious claims came from people who have never installed or drove on the spindles/uprights. It looks like it's been out for less than a month, yet there are pages and pages of internet slander. The only reason I'm taking time out to sign up for a forum I don't frequent and type a lengthy response is because I designed these by myself without stealing anybody’s design.

-Yes, the ones that are currently in production look like the ones that are stock ride height. There were actually a few major challenges in accomplishing this. We made sure that the spindles fitted the most common brand name aftermarket control arms, as well as stock/replica sheet metal control arms. For the cheap ones found on eBay...good luck. The tolerances and geometry on those arms are everywhere. We cannot guarantee our part to work with one that is wrong, and inconsistent. I actually made a lot more spindles than the ones that have reached production, but due to issues with strength and suspension geometry directly conflicting with each other, these did not reach the market. Those spindles were for different cars, and the issues may be worked out in the future.

-I hope by answering this question, I'm not angering anyone from my old job. I figured that anyone can easily buy these spindles and compare them. At the same time, I made these over one year ago. If I remember correctly, the "tall" versions of the spindles were raised exactly 1" from stock. The reason 1" was chosen instead of 2", was because we wanted to offer a bolt in spindle that was did not give alignment issues, and that worked on OEM control arms. Upper and lower control arms as well as the spindle create a multi-link mechanism that moves in three axes, and anyone who simply adds 2" to the upper ball joint location and calls it a day is not doing enough. More dynamic camber is not always better. Sometimes braking is lost and suspension geometry is affected. And while we're on that topic, our dimensions were measured in many different ways on OEM NOS parts with multiple tools, as well as 3D laser scanning directly into CAD, and processed in Solidworks. This way we know for sure that we don't introduce new problems, such as bump steer or inability to even align the car into the equation.

-I can't speak for what CPP will do in the future, but I will say that by making sure we get the suspension geometry right the first time, we have no need to release a new steering arm that "corrects" bump steer. During my time at CPP, I've seen other companies release up to five different revisions of steering arms claiming to revise bump steer. If the spindle was designed correctly the first time, revised steering arms would never have to be released. Just because one setup costs more than another does not mean it has a better design. These costs may come from optimized manufacturing processes, such as extra machining time and cost for a feature that does not need machining, when it can be designed into the mold from the start. This of course cannot be decided in as easy as yes or no...and as an engineer that's where we make the judgment calls; based on the forces that section of the part sees, weight/strength of material considerations, and as well as unnecessary manufacturing steps that can be simplified for cost without sacrifices in strength. All that said, bump steer is always an important part in spindle/upright design. Believe me….as an engineer, the last thing I want to do is be baking in the Southern California sun after tens of thousands of dollars have been invested into making production parts with a bump steer gauge seeing where I went wrong. We design our parts from OEM parts, and pay attention to all aspects of spindle design from the very start. Attention was paid to keeping wheel offset, EXACT ball joint and steering arm locations and as well as metric machining tolerances for the new bearing and standard dimensions for the parts that attach to your car. CPP offers a shop tour every March...there's absolutely no secret how our lengthy design process works. The only part that is reversed engineered are the original OEM parts. We need to know what GM intended to do before we go about making a spindle to replace their application with ours. People are encouraged to ask the engineers questions about anything. Believe me...I'm not going to pull dimensions of a competitor’s part when we don't even know if they're correct or not in the first place. If they're repeatedly releasing new steering arms to "correct bump steer" (and making money at the same time), it's obvious that the bump steer wasn't dealt with from the beginning. The videos are on YouTube if you cannot make it to Anaheim for the tour.

-I don't know what hub is being distributed with the kit since I was only involved in the design phase of these spindles. However, there is something interesting to consider about these bearings. A simple Google search will show that many C5 Corvette owners suffer from premature bearing failures...as early as 20,000 miles. Due to the compact design of the bearing, the forces experienced by the internals of the bearing are much stronger than those experienced on a long axle pin, where the inner and outer bearings can be spaced far apart. Remember we are talking about OEM GM parts here. We waited a very long time to release these spindles because of these issues. If I remember correctly, it was Timken who solved the sealed bearing failures with a new design (don't quote me on this). After GM adopted this new bearing design and the failures went away, we were comfortable releasing a line of spindles that were available everywhere and were easy to change without making a mess or using incorrect torque specs. If this bearing issue was never solved, this line of spindles would never have been released.

I hope I answered all your questions, and again need to restate that I am no longer represent the company since I no longer work there. Just wanted you guys to know that there is a lengthy design process for every part and a reason that CPP parts bolt on without modification for a reason."

Jason

JasonElvisHeard

10-10-2012, 09:16 PM

Finally.... some pricing on the packages.

GMR CPP A-F-X Body Front C6 Hub and upright package (CPP-AFX-FH-C5) $1876.00
-Pair of uprights with GMR c5/6 hubs

GMR CPP A-F-X Body Front C6 Upright and The Brake Man Package $4685.20 (CPP-AFX-TBM-PT-FC6ST)
For the ultimate in hub / braking performance the GMR has put together this front package with proven race winning Brake Man Technology! This package included the following:

Two F4 Calipers with Lug Mount and 1.87″ pistons
Two Directional Pro-cast rotors 13″ by 1.25″
Four Brake Man Compound #82 pads
Two CPP – AFX uprights
Pair of GMR C5/6 Front Hubs assembled
GMR rotor adapters
Stainless Race proven NAS rotor hardware

GMR CPP A-F-X Body Front C6 Upright and OEM Corvette C6 Z06 Monobloc $4287.00 (CPP-AFX-Z06-C6FH)
If you style is true OEM performance in the from of the Z06 corvette then this is the package for you. Infamous Corvette C6 Z06 proven technology combined with the high performance of GMR C6 hubs this package will drastically increase the attitude of your pro tour car! This package includes the following:

Two 6 piston C6-Z06 Monobloc Calipers
Two Directional GT 14 inch by 1.25 inch rotors
Two CPP – AFX uprights
Pair of GMR C5/6 Front Hubs assembled
GMR rotor adapters
Stainless Race proven NAS rotor hardware

(brake pads are not available with OEM-Z06 packages due to variance in compounds)

Thanks
Jason