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James OLC
08-09-2012, 08:24 PM
1969 Dodge Super Bee - Erica's Car

This is a project that I've been working on for the past few weeks and I thought I'd share it although it's very different - in a lot of ways - from what we're mostly used to. On the surface I'd say that this is going to be the evolution of a former drag car to a mild Pro-Touring style build. But deeper than that it's a lot more. Feel free to skip ahead past the back story if you're so inclined, the good bits continue below...

Circa 2003:
http://www.onelapcamaro.com/SuperBee/Superbee%202001%20a.jpg

The car belongs to a very dear friend of mine named Erica; before it was Erica's it belonged to her father David who owned the car for something close to 20 years. Erica grew up in the Super Bee and saw the car evolve from a rough, raw, project to a legitimate 10-second street car. Back in the day it was black with flames, had Kirkey aluminum seats, and seemed to spend as much time on the back of a hook as it did on the road... David's nickname was Kid Kaboom for good reason. Around 15 years ago David and I started the transformation which, like most, seemed to be a constant process over the course of 6 or 7 years. Nearly every panel was repaired or replaced (at least once) and the black gave way to sublime green (but the flames eventually returned); the 383 was pulled in favor of a well built 440 topped with a couple of stages of nitrous and parts that were historically grenades were replaced with bulletproof pieces. Even the Kirkey's were eventually replaced with custom leather seats. When I last worked on the car - circa 2004 - it was fast, reliable, and obnoxious as heck. In a lot of ways I think that the car defined David and it was always Erica's and David's common bond through thick and thin.

A few years ago David came upon difficult times and title for the Super Bee ended up in someone else's hands on a "temporary" basis; it wasn't the first time but it turned out to be the last - two years ago last month David passed away and the Super Bee was believed to have been gone forever.

2003
http://www.onelapcamaro.com/SuperBee/Superbee%202001.jpg

It took over a year but Erica's mom (David's first wife FWIW) eventually tracked the Super Bee down and tried to hammer out a deal to buy it '69 back. We all know how cars can have emotional and sentimental value - the 'Bee had been a huge part of Erica's childhood so getting it back was really important to her - and her mom went to great lengths to get the car back. Eventually a deal was reached and the seller committed to getting the car in to "driving" condition for Erica (it had been sitting for the better part of a year at that point) and would ship it in a couple of weeks.

Weeks past and became months with promise after promise being made - parts were being waited on, improvements were coming, but don't worry it was all coming together. Finally, after four months of hollow promises and missed delivery dates the 'Bee was "done" and on its way. It was tuned, test driven, detailed and ready to hit the road!

2003
http://www.onelapcamaro.com/SuperBee/Superbee%202001%20b.jpg

The car arrived in Calgary a month ago and it didn't take long to see that everything was not as it seemed... Cleanliness (or lack thereof) aside, the first indication that something was amiss came with the first turn of the key... with mild persuasion the car started but there was no throttle. It took a minimal amount of looking around to track down the problem - the throttle cable was broken and not hooked up. Probably because the custom plumber fogger intake and Demon carb had been replaced. En route to finding that we discovered that the hood hinges were gone. The manual valve body, reverse pattern 727 was gone, replaced with a stock piece and the entire custom 8 3/4 rear and had been swapped out for a similarly stock unit. The fuel cell had been removed, the trunk floor "repaired", and a stock tank installed. The old side exit exhaust was gone and a new replacement was put in its place. Some of this had been expected but some was a surprise - all of it was a disappointment.

Engine circa 2003
http://www.onelapcamaro.com/SuperBee/Superbee%202001%20c.jpg

Regardless, I gave the car a once over in the parking lot to see if it was otherwise ready for it's required inspection (basic safety features... you know, headlights, turn signals, wipers, etc.) which was required for registration.

Headlights... nope. Turn signals... kind of, some times. Wipers... nope. It sucked to tell Erica that not only was there no way that the inspection was going to happen but from what I saw there was no way that I was going to let her drive the car as it was... The decision was made to drag the car back to my house where I would do my best to get the car in shape for it's inspection and make it something that would actually be a ride that she would enjoy.

A couple of days in to looking the 'Bee over and the magnitude of the task quickly became apparent... 20 year old drag shocks front and rear... big leaf springs with shackles... manual steering... manual drum brakes... no sway bars - anywhere... and the list goes on. And that's on top of remarkably poor workmanship that went in to the car over the last 4 months.

And that's how it begins...

2012
http://www.onelapcamaro.com/SuperBee/Bee%20Home%202012.jpg

Progress will most surely be slow and probably in fits and starts. It's definitely going to be a low budget effort but given some time and some work I think it has a ton of potential.

But it's going to be worth it - as both a tribute to David and, more importantly, as part of Erica's healing. It's been a long time since I've seen someone so sincerely attached to a car and so emotionally vested in a project. It makes the work difficult for both of us at times but it will come around.

I'm not promising that the updates will be predictable, nor will most of them be as amazing or remarkable as some of what we've seen in other posts, but this is a special project and a story that I thought was worth telling...

James OLC
08-09-2012, 08:45 PM
So attention started in the engine compartment because besides being 21 feet long this thing weight 4,000+ and making it move under it's own power was high on my list of priorities.

As above... circa 2003 (and 2010)
http://www.onelapcamaro.com/SuperBee/Superbee%202001%20c.jpg

And as delivered - 2012
http://www.onelapcamaro.com/SuperBee/Bee%20Engine%20Old%201.jpg

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/SuperBee/Bee%20Engine%20Old%202.jpg

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/SuperBee/Bee%20Engine%20Old%203.jpg

One of these things is not like the other... darn...

James OLC
08-09-2012, 08:53 PM
Erica and her mom were told that (a) the car had been test driven just before it was loaded up on the truck and (b) that the throttle cable had been replaced... yeah... OK...

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/SuperBee/Bee%20Throttle%20Cable%20Old.jpg

and they were assured that the car was in good, safe, drivable condition (suitable for a young lady to drive)... OK... I may be picky but I'm pretty sure that I'm not unreasonable in expecting at least a hose clamp on a rubber fuel line...

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/SuperBee/Bee%20Fuel%20Line%20Old.jpg

and really? taking the master cylinder and replacing it with junk? c'mon

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/SuperBee/Bee%20MSD%20Old.jpg

James OLC
08-09-2012, 09:00 PM
But it wasn't much better in back...

The fuel cell was removed and a stock tank installed in it's place
http://www.onelapcamaro.com/SuperBee/Bee%20Trunk%20Old%201.jpg

And the trunk was professionally repaired before
http://www.onelapcamaro.com/SuperBee/Bee%20Trunk%20Old%202.jpg

"Professional" was two pieces of corrugated tin from Home Depot and six tack welds... all on the one side of the square...
http://www.onelapcamaro.com/SuperBee/Bee%20Trunk%20Old%202b.jpg
Not sealed, not even attached...

It need some clean up but at least there is a starting point to work from
http://www.onelapcamaro.com/SuperBee/Bee%20Trunk%20Old%203.jpg

nvmyss
08-09-2012, 10:20 PM
I'm happy to see a car come home, especially when it has so much sentimental value.
But the total swap and hack job is just wrong.
Good thing good people like you are still out there and helping others.:thumbsup:

Spiffav8
08-10-2012, 12:43 AM
You do like a challenge don't you. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

69x22
08-10-2012, 03:10 AM
Wow that's horrible! I'm glad that shes getting it back though.

OLDFLM
08-10-2012, 04:41 AM
Subscribed! My Dad was a Mopar guy and my step-brothers each had Bees when I was growing up... one had a 69 and the other a 70. I wish my Dad had kept his 71 GTX 440 that he bought new to this day.

This is going to be a fun build to watch! Good on you James for taking this project on for her!! :thumbsup:

Steve68
08-10-2012, 06:42 AM
http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z461/Steve6869/003-13.jpg

thought I'd throw this up for a little nostalgia!!!

Found this at my grandfathers house in 2011, when he passed,

My uncle got this in the 60's when he bought one of his super bee's, he's had a couple,

The only mopar I remember him having was a 69 383 Road Runner LimeLight Green with polished ET's had to be the early 70's,

great story, cant wait to see for more pics, and the guy who did the work to it, we should go visit him and take his tools away, and tell him no,no,no!!!!

WSSix
08-10-2012, 08:50 AM
If I was anywhere near by, I'd come and help. This is a good thing you're doing James. Best of luck getting it taken care of correctly and back on the road for Erica.

Flash68
08-10-2012, 11:18 AM
Wow cool story. And what a piece of work that thing is! :D

I have been off and on trying to find my dad's old Plymouth Fury for years.... no luck so far. :(

DFRESH
08-10-2012, 05:01 PM
I knew you were a closet Mopar guy. Everything makes sense now.

I laughed out loud on the throttle cable and gas line pics.

Rick D
08-11-2012, 06:48 PM
Good for you James :cheers: Love the story and back ground write up.
I just do not understand why some people are so dishonest :mad: Did they know the person that had the car? Seems if hey did they weren't a friend that's for sure. Looking forward to seeing this one get fixed up!

I had a 69 bee when I was in my early 20's ran and drove but was very rusty, I was going to redo it but the city towed it before I could move it off the street :mad: I didnt have the title yet so it was gone before I could go get it.

GrabberGT
08-11-2012, 09:08 PM
What the heck... I'll play a-round and see where this goes... Subscribed.

69x22
10-27-2012, 02:00 PM
Any updates?

DTM Racing
10-27-2012, 03:07 PM
James,
If you need help sourcing any parts, let me know. If I don't have Road Runner left overs, I know plenty of people with stockpiles.
Dan

James OLC
10-28-2012, 01:52 PM
No real updates at this point - the usual little stuff that no one cares about but that is about it. I have to be honest... after (countless) years building F-bodies I am amazed at how difficult life is when you work on "offbeat" stuff. I'm still trying to find decent disk brakes (which shouldn't be this hard) and need to have a talk with Hotchkis about some leafs and other suspension parts. I was hoping to do that at sema but it doesn't loo like I'm going to make it this year. Hopefully soon things get back on track...

Sieg
10-28-2012, 02:56 PM
James,

Very impressed with what you're doing for Erica. It's sickening that such unappreciative people ended up with David's car and gutted it's soul.

David is resting easy thanks to your passionate care. :thumbsup:

crazyfun
03-08-2013, 01:07 PM
I'm very happy this car went to the right home. I registered to this site to subscribe to the thread. Whats interesting is that I was thinking about making an offer on this car while it was at Blue Marlin Motors in Stuart Florida. If I remember correctly it had the fuel cell in it at the time and a different carb. Hope the progress is going smoothly.

hp2
03-09-2013, 08:03 AM
I just do not understand why some people are so dishonest

We don't know all the details of the negotiation to get the car back, but it did marginally run, which was probably a key point of negotiation. Was it less than if could have been, obviously, but I also imagine loss of much of the trick parts was also part of the deal. 'm sure in their mind they only needed to cobb it together enough to drive on the transport.

Also, even for a 2003 build, I can't say everything outside of the engine appeared to be top shelf. Drum brakes, shackled leafs, heck, the wiring could have been hacked way back then but hadn't failed yet. Sure, it looked decent, but I suspect there was a lot of work done on "motor"vation and a lot less on dependability.



No real updates at this point - the usual little stuff that no one cares about but that is about it. I have to be honest... after (countless) years building F-bodies I am amazed at how difficult life is when you work on "offbeat" stuff. I'm still trying to find decent disk brakes (which shouldn't be this hard) and need to have a talk with Hotchkis about some leafs and other suspension parts. I was hoping to do that at sema but it doesn't loo like I'm going to make it this year. Hopefully soon things get back on track...

Yes, once you step outside the F body world, things get exponetially challenging because things are not as easy to find, you don't get 25 different selections on a part, and cost increasingly more.

Suggestions to examine...Factory discs off mid 70s Cordobas, Gran Fury, etc are not too difficult to find and are 11.75 in diameter. This allows you to source factory parts from practically any parts store for ease of maintainence. A place called Dr Diff is reproducing the caliper brackets that are the heart of the big disc conversion. Rotors can be found anywhere and will work with any 15" wheel. You will need to get factory disc spindle for this conversion. Almost any post '73 disc brake car can supply these, except Fury, Monoco and other huge cars.

Nomeclature to help with parts searches, A body - Duster, Dart, Valiant, pre 1970 Cuda. B body - Coronet, Satellite, Road Runner. C body - Fury, Monoco. D body - trucks. E body - post 1970 Cuda, Challenger. F body- Aspen Volare

Power steering, might want to consider it with a big B body with a 440. Even if Erica is a tough girl, muscling a B body with a big block and decent street sized tires will be a chore. Good boxes can be found at Firm Feel. Firm Feel also offers all the pieces you would want for stepping up the suspension as well as rebuild it. You already know about Hotchkis, they are a decent source as wel,l but don't offer all the hard parts you might need and are only recent players in the mopar market. Firm Feel has been doing this for 20 years.

For some reference places, protouringmopar.com, moparts.com, forbbodiesonly.com. These could be a decent places for reference material, parts, and advice on mopar specific stuff. Just be mindful that the mopar crowd is about 50% oem resto, 45% drag race, and 5% everything else.

crazyfun
03-10-2013, 06:37 AM
I was there when they did this video. You can the the superbee at 0:19. That day they put on a black lower scoop hood. The tall scoop hood was in their garage. There is one more link if I can find it with more detailed photos of the engine compartment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkQPWwtZS5Y
http://bluemarlinmotorsusa.com/ExternalInventoryDetail.aspx?ID=493020&DealerID=2317