My NEW Wayne Due subframe arrived today

[XcYZ]

Here's my NEW subframe that just arrived from Wayne Due (www.waynedue.com). It uses DSE control arms and their coil over assembly. It has an AGR power rack with Baer trackers and Phil Brewer billet steering arms. The sway bar is from Speedway Engineering. It uses the stock spindle.

What's slick about this setup is if you already own aftermarket tubular arms, big wheels and brakes for a 1st Gen, those parts will bolt on to this all new Wayne Due subframe. It will also allow 10" wheels to be used and the track width is stock.

Since this is new from Wayne and I expect there to be a lot of interest, I'll post a BUNCH of pics.

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[XcYZ]

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[XcYZ]

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[jonny51]

Very nice Scott :thumbsup: I see the community T-56 back there :P

[Sales@Dutchboys]

I LOVE IT! :thumbsup: keep us updated

[Ummgawa]

I see just a wee bit of Phil Brewer in that sub frame. Very Cool. PM or email me Scott on the speedway sway bar IE where to get one please. I sold my sub frame bare to a friend in anticipation of Waynes subframe hitting the market. Thanks for the cool pix.

[907rs]

Sweet! You just had to show me that piece after all of the hard work I put into my stock sub. :D

I see one in my future...

[Ricochet]

Those are some beautiful welds!! Looks like a killer piece there Scott. Wayne did a killer job on his part. Can't wait to see it under the car..Knowing you...It's probably already under it!! :yes:

[camcojb]

Could 'ya take a couple more pics with different angles? :unibrow: Now you know why Don has been so psyched this week when his showed.


Jody

[907rs]

Could 'ya take a couple more pics with different angles? :unibrow:


Jody

Yer killin' me, Jody! :rofl:

[Van B]

I really wish I hadn't seen that. :hail: Looks awesome!!

[Roger Poirier]

Ok , now I know why there was such a hold up on this car being put back
together again. :yes:

R.P.

[patriot68]

How Much???

[almcbri]

Those are some beautiful welds!! Looks like a killer piece there Scott. Wayne did a killer job on his part. Can't wait to see it under the car..Knowing you...It's probably already under it!! :yes:

thats exactly what I thought! I have never seen welds that pretty. Man that guy can do some serious metal work. Scott you are the man! Now get that car back together!

[XcYZ]

Could 'ya take a couple more pics with different angles? :unibrow:

I'm feelin the love. :lol:

It really is a work of art. I can't wait to get it into the car.

As for pricing, you'll need to contact Wayne Due (www.waynedue.com). :thumbsup:

[Musclerodz]

I remember talking to Wayne about a marketing a stock replacement setup early last year. Looks like he finally got it done and looks killer. I don't think welding can be much nicer than that.

You know if all the parts were on the car, it takes up a lot less floor space. :P j/k. Looking good Scott.

Mike

[Stuart Adams]

Very nice Scott. Looking forward to seeing your car on the road. :thumbsup:

[slownova]

damn i wish wayne would email me back, id like to have that. :hail:

[camcojb]

damn i wish wayne would email me back, id like to have that. :hail:

Hang in there, he will. He's beyond busy, plus in the middle of a move. No excuse, but e-mail has been my best way to get ahold of him.

Jody

[slownova]

yea im not mad, i sent 3 in the past month tho. :willy:

[camcojb]

yea im not mad, i sent 3 in the past month tho. :willy:

He's looking for feedback on this one, so send him another one.

Jody

[slownova]

okie dokie. :captain: im not talking bad, i could become less lazy and call :lol: it could be on my end to, who knows. i'll shoot him another one though, thanks.

[customcam]

wow way cool! nice craftmanship
thats a crazee set up :thumbsup:

[XcYZ]

As Jody noted, this is something new from Wayne and he's gauging the market on whether or not there will be a big demand for this setup (I think it will be VERY popular). Production variables will be based on the interest/demand. :thumbsup:

[slownova]

well if pricing is fair, i'll buy one asap

[Yenkostyle]

I am with slownova. If the price is right I will buy it now...

[Teetoe_Jones]

Wayne just got a set of our AFX spindles to go on these too. Looks like there won't be a single factory part left on the frame, but it all bolts up the same.
Scott, PM me, I have an idea for you.

Tyler

[Jims78elky]

Nice Scott!

Are you thinking of having it powder coated?

A very nice addition to the camaro! :thumbsup:

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Man i lovE it! :thumbsup:

[XcYZ]

Yep, I'll have it powdercoated after mock up.

I'm glad to hear the awesome response on this setup. I really think Wayne has a fantastic idea with this setup and his craftsmanship is 2nd to none.

Now I need to order new inner wheel halves for my HRE's so I can go 18x10's. :thumbsup:

[black2002ls]

Scott,

That is an awesome looking subframe and you just made my day!!! That is EXCELLENT reference for my 1:12th scale. lol.

[JohnnyR]

That is a beautiful looking piece. What are the pros/cons vs. his Corvette based frames? Is it the stock track width that is the attractive point?

Just curious.

-j

[jonny51]

That is a beautiful looking piece. What are the pros/cons vs. his Corvette based frames? Is it the stock track width that is the attractive point?

Just curious.

-j

I think the main issue with the corvette frame is the bump steer.I believe it has to do with the location of the rack.

[Musclerodz]

The whole purpose of this frame is to a stock replacement that allows wider front tires and give the guys with stock sub replacement parts an alternative to the stock frame without having to start over. I don't think there is any performance advantage to the sub itself, just bling factor. I felt at the time when I brought it up to Wayne, it was the last niche market for Camaro subs that had not been tackled yet. What I don't see in the pic is whether he left it with stock steering or went to a rack. I will venture a guess with the steering arms on there you are going rack.

Mike

[camcojb]

The whole purpose of this frame is to a stock replacement that allows wider front tires and give the guys with stock sub replacement parts an alternative to the stock frame without having to start over. I don't think there is any performance advantage to the sub itself, just bling factor. I felt at the time when I brought it up to Wayne, it was the last niche market for Camaro subs that had not been tackled yet. What I don't see in the pic is whether he left it with stock steering or went to a rack. I will venture a guess with the steering arms on there you are going rack.

Mike

Good guess!

http://www.lateral-g.net/temp/wd02.jpg

[Ummgawa]

Good guess!

http://www.lateral-g.net/temp/wd02.jpg

I'd say the rack pictured is a dead give away. :D

[XcYZ]

The whole purpose of this frame is to a stock replacement that allows wider front tires and give the guys with stock sub replacement parts an alternative to the stock frame without having to start over. I don't think there is any performance advantage to the sub itself, just bling factor. I felt at the time when I brought it up to Wayne, it was the last niche market for Camaro subs that had not been tackled yet. What I don't see in the pic is whether he left it with stock steering or went to a rack. I will venture a guess with the steering arms on there you are going rack.

Mike

Don't forget, PACKAGING is a HUGE concern of mine. I need ALL the space I can get for plumbing.

[Musclerodz]

Somebody has to come up with new inner fenders as well for the wide tires. I would think DSE would be the first, but tooling will be a killer on that size of a part.

Mike

[Musclerodz]

Is that a GT rack? I plan to use an '03 Cobra rack on mine when fabricating commences later this year.

Mike

[Musclerodz]

Good guess!

http://www.lateral-g.net/temp/wd02.jpg
Where is the dumba$$ icon? For some reason I saw spindles holding the steering arms in place. I must have sniffed to much paint this morning.

Mike

[XcYZ]

I must have sniffed to much paint this morning.

Mike

Was it Gold or Silver paint? :lol:

[Steve Chryssos]

I have one of the earliest (pre-Wayne Due) clips out there and it is impressive to see how far the design has come in the last seven or eight years. For example, it looks like Wayne Due saved some weight in the frame horn area (where the bumper mounts) and the main crossmember looks reinforced. Looks like it accepts taller shocks, too. I could keep going on.

Now if only one of these clip manufacturers would add a front jacking point forward of the main crossmember. I absolutely hate jacking up the front of my car--especially with the front spoiler. And I already have a low profile jack. The old 2x4 trick is okay, but not if the car is disabled or disassembled.

Hey Scott,
Just for the hell of it, measure the witdh to the outside of the main (forward) frame rails. My old clip measures 37.25" wide.

[Todds69]

thats exactly what I thought! I have never seen welds that pretty. Man that guy can do some serious metal work. Scott you are the man! Now get that car back together!
Same here....very sweet. I thought DSE had one of these in the works, but all I hear is talk, is there any real evidence of this?

[XcYZ]

Hey Scott,
Just for the hell of it, measure the witdh to the outside of the main (forward) frame rails. My old clip measures 37.25" wide.

Steve, it's 40".

[c.schulz]

Holy Crap Scott!!!! That thing is nice!!!! And your jealous of my garage let tell ya how jealous I am of your new sub.
Hurry Hurry get this thing under the car and give us some car porn!!!! :unibrow:

Chris

[rockdogz]

Ummm.... wow :wow:

[Steve Chryssos]

Steve, it's 40".

40? How can it be wider?

[XcYZ]

Sorry Steve, I read too much into your question. lol The answer you're looking for is 30 7/8".

[J2SpeedandCustom]

Scott thanks for all the pics! Will the DSE sway bar not fit?

[MODO Innovations]

I can't believe I missed this post. That thing is a work of art. The welds are awesome. I don't know what else to say. :willy: :bow:

[awr68]

VERY NICE, man I want one!!! You don't know how badly I want to spend my paint budget on this!!!

How does the geometry compare to the DSE c/o conversion?

[XcYZ]

Anthony, it's the same geometry.

[61Bubbletop]

Awesome buddy, just.....awesome! :hail: :thumbsup:

:captain:

[novanutcase]

But I love you man! That is the most beautiful clip I have seen. I just got done talking to wayne about doing a full frame for me and after seeing that it pretty much has made my mind up as to who will be doing it. DAMMNNN!!!!! :hail:

[awr68]

Anthony, it's the same geometry.

Thanks Scott! Damn I want one!!

[XcYZ]

No problem. :thumbsup:

I'll post more pictures once the spindles arrive.

[MarkM66]

This thing is really impressive! :yes:

Scott, I thought you already bought a WD-subframe with AME from suspension on it. Or maybe I'm thinking of someone else. :_paranoid

[XcYZ]

maybe I'm thinking of someone else. :_paranoid

No, that was me. That one is gone.

[D Rock]

Any more info on that front sway bar?

Derek

[hapevo]

Very nice Scott!

I might just have to get one coming......... :unibrow:


Ross

[Sales@Dutchboys]

I love that subframe........ :thumbsup:

[tndude]

Oooohhh. Now that would make a nice give-away. :D

[Rob07002]

Oooohhh. Now that would make a nice give-away. :D

I second that!!!!!!

[Bowtieracing]

Awsome craftmanship!! Welding etc . Looks really sharp.

What are the other benefits compared to stock frame with similar components(DSE,rack,brakes) ?

[trapin]

Scott, you're being bombarded with questions but I have to throw one more at you. Is this frame the "stock replacement" frame that Wayne Due was talking about a few months back or is it something else? I talked to Wayne about a month ago about the stock replacement and I thought he told me that the stock steering box would work on it. I don't see the holes for the stock box on your frame. Was yours customized for the rack or is the stock steering not an option on this frame?

Thanks. Looks awesome by the way. :thumbsup:

[JimM]

awesome, Scott, now how bout some more pics? been days!

[XcYZ]

LOL, Jim, you know me too well. I'll have some new pics early next week when the ATS AFX spindles arrive.

Tony, I believe this is the same frame you're thinking of. I'm not sure where the development with the ATS box is. That would be something to talk to Wayne about. :)

[zbugger]

So how soon before it's mocked up on the car? Is it done yet? How about now? Now? Lazy ass...... :P

[XcYZ]

So how soon before it's mocked up on the car? Is it done yet? How about now? Now? Lazy ass...... :P

LMAO, you know that you and I are in a race seeing who will take longer to finish our cars. :lol:

[Teetoe_Jones]

I've spoken with Wayne about possibly letting us (ATS) offer a bone stock type replacement frame that would use the factory style (or our new 670) steering box, sway bar, upper and lower control arms (with factory UCA pickup points to make use of our tall AFX spindle), and crossmember. I know that the frame is much more labor intensive to make due to the odd angles that the parts mount at, but I feel it will be a largely popular item, and to those who want that updated look, well worth the price..

Tyler

[zbugger]

LMAO, you know that you and I are in a race seeing who will take longer to finish our cars. :lol:
lol.. Yeah, that's funny. But in that case, you're losing. You keep getting cool new parts, and I don't. But I'll find a way to lose this race somehow. Watch, someone's just gonna give me an engine one of these days.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Jay Hilliard]

Very nice Scott. I'm jealous :D. All that work I did on a stock sub with DSE coilover conversion.....arrghhh. I think Wayne has got a great idea here. Just think...bigger front tires...easy to switch out different size sway bars......no HEADER issues :thumbsup:

[Nutsy]

What is the final wheel specs that can be run on the front with this frame? is. width & backspace? Tire size? Are you or can you have inner fenders? If not, what is the biggest size of wheel/tire you can run with inner fenders?


Yep, I'll have it powdercoated after mock up.

I'm glad to hear the awesome response on this setup. I really think Wayne has a fantastic idea with this setup and his craftsmanship is 2nd to none.

Now I need to order new inner wheel halves for my HRE's so I can go 18x10's. :thumbsup:

[x-tream]

Any word on price??????????????????????

[XcYZ]

Any word on price??????????????????????

Contact Wayne Due Chassis Shop: www.waynedue.com

[Van B]

I'll save you and Wayne some e-mails. Here is the response I recieved from him today.

Jeff,
I'm not sure when it will be ready. I'm still kinda tooling up to build them. The price will be the same as the C-4 and C-5 bare steel frames.


Thanks
Wayne
360-657-4810

[buickfunnycar.com]

I can't believe I missed this post. That thing is a work of art. The welds are awesome. I don't know what else to say. :willy: :bow:

X 2

That is freaking eye candy!

[slownova]

I'll save you and Wayne some e-mails. Here is the response I recieved from him today.

Jeff,
I'm not sure when it will be ready. I'm still kinda tooling up to build them. The price will be the same as the C-4 and C-5 bare steel frames.


Thanks
Wayne
360-657-4810
well thats kinda crappy, if im spending the money, i'll just order the c5 front frame.

[Van B]

Not really crappy if you already have the upper and lower A arms and coil over shocks from DSE. :cool:

[slownova]

Not really crappy if you already have the upper and lower A arms and coil over shocks from DSE. :cool:
if thats complete thats a deal indeed. if not :willy:

[XcYZ]

Not really crappy if you already have the upper and lower A arms and coil over shocks from DSE. :cool:

Exactly. Also, if you already have aftermarket brakes for a first Gen, you won't have to worry about changing them because this setup uses the factory spindle. Another key feature is that this frame still maintains the stock track width. So if you already have wheels, you don't have to worry about getting new ones to accomodate the wider than stock track width of the C4/C5 setup that requires high positive offset Vette style wheels.

If you're starting from scratch, then yes, the C4/C5 setup would probably be the way to go, but this at least gives a lot of guys a new option without dumping everything they already have. Personally, on top of all those factors I just gave, packaging is big concern. I need all the room I can get for downpipes - that required a front steer rack. This frame is perfect for where I'm at and what I'm doing with my project. :thumbsup:

[jonny51]

Im not sure about the C5 but doesn't the C4 frame have some bump steer issues?What size wheel can you get with this sub 10"?

[fjb2069]

I can't tell from the picture, but are those true coil overs or is the bottom of the spring sitting in the a frame? Could a shock wave air shock be installed?

[ProStreet R/T]

I can't tell from the picture, but are those true coil overs or is the bottom of the spring sitting in the a frame? Could a shock wave air shock be installed?

Those look like 100% koni coil overs to me. :unibrow:

It appears as though the shockwaves would fit, the only concern I would have is with the clearance around the swaybar endlinks.

Shoot now I'm deciding (in my master pre-purchase planning) if I want to go C5 front end, or with this conventional setup. :willy:

[907rs]

I can't tell from the picture, but are those true coil overs or is the bottom of the spring sitting in the a frame?

Yes. They're the same ones you get from Marquez or DSE.

[ProTouringNyC]

Will the global west tubular cat 5 setup work on this

[GregWeld]

One question Scott.... Since I just picked up my new Wayne Due ALL C-5 suspended sub frame... why you didn't do the C-5 version over the DSE arms?

[Camaro ProTouring]

Damn that looking so nice!! :yes:

[fjb2069]

One question Scott.... Since I just picked up my new Wayne Due ALL C-5 suspended sub frame... why you didn't do the C-5 version over the DSE arms?


Good question. ALso interested in the answer to that!

[cpederslie]

I've spoken with Wayne about possibly letting us (ATS) offer a bone stock type replacement frame that would use the factory style (or our new 670) steering box, sway bar, upper and lower control arms (with factory UCA pickup points to make use of our tall AFX spindle), and crossmember. I know that the frame is much more labor intensive to make due to the odd angles that the parts mount at, but I feel it will be a largely popular item, and to those who want that updated look, well worth the price..

Tyler

Tyler,
Sent you a PM, and will follow up with an email.

[BRIAN]

Does the forward lower control arm mtg bracket come close to hitting the lower arm with full compression? That shock is approx 15" and at ride would sit at maybe 12-13"?


I have similar set up and just want to confirm as I do not have shocks or accurate lengths yet.


Thanks Brian

[GregWeld]

Brian -- Sorry - I have no clue - the clip is strapped to a wall in the shop and I haven't even looked at it since picking it up.

Too busy doing the freshening and 8 stack EFI manifold on the Nomad to mess with the Camaro...

[ahowudoin]

I would have to clean the surface rust up and just clear the bare steel. It would give it a great look.

[68turboSS]

whose subframe is that on the first page.

[awr68]

whose subframe is that on the first page.


That is one of the last built by Wayne Due, he is sadly no longer in business. If you like what you see give Art Morrison a call!

[68turboSS]

thanks awr....ill give hima call.

[XcYZ]

FYI, this thread is 2 years old. Wayne is no longer in business. Fortunately, there are lots of options these days for aftermarket subframes.

[BLACKJACK]

SUB FRAME VERY COOL I LIKE I LIKE ''ALOT'':thumbsup: :lateral:

[Van B]

Did Art Morrison ever tool up for a subframe that uses the DSE A arms, etc? My car just went out to be media blasted. There is no better time than the present....:unibrow:

[awr68]

Did Art Morrison ever tool up for a subframe that uses the DSE A arms, etc? My car just went out to be media blasted. There is no better time than the present....:unibrow:

Last I heard, No. But they are always willing to do custom work.

[Blake Foster]

or this one. that uses aftermarket tubular arms.(of course we would like you to use ours)

[awr68]

Woops, sorry Blake, forgot to mention your frame! Not sure how that happened!

ST builds a frame for all us guys that already have the hardware!! :thumbsup:

[DOOM]

Just uncrated my DSE subframe and all I can say is WOW:wow: The quality of this frame is unreal!!! :thumbsup: :cheers: