How much would you offer for this 1967 Camaro

[sokoloka]

Have a co-worker who's contemplating selling the 67 Camaro that's been parked in his backyard since the early 1980's. This is somewhat of a self-serving question as I've been bugging him to sell it to me, but what would you guys peg the value of this particular car at?

Here's the description he emailed me as I'm currently overseas:

It's not a rust free car. The engine is a true 1967 SS350 L48 engine that has been decked which wiped out the serial numbers. The transmission that's in the car is a wide ratio 3 speed I have a wide ratio RockCrusher 4 speed in the garage. Basically this car needs everything. It would probably be best with a new crate motor.The interior needs everything. The car hasn't even been non-opped in about 17 years. The trunk is rusted out but I bought a new pan years ago to put in. the right vent window was busted out when the stole the gauges from the console. I bought replacement set but I think it needed a clock or fuel gauge.

Pictures:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d14/sokoloka/100_1473.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d14/sokoloka/100_1474.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d14/sokoloka/100_1475.jpg

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http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d14/sokoloka/100_1478.jpg

No real pictures of the rust damage or engine compartment condition - but looks like the car needs some serious TLC.

What would you peg the fair value at?

[Gatekeeper]

Just wondering if it's a SS/RS. I see that it has hide away lights but no reverse lights under the rear bumper. I bought a 69 Camaro the same way. Somewhere down the line someone changed the front end. You never know about these old cars. Also does it have a 12 bolt? That would be a plus.
Looks like it could be made into a nice ride. First thing I would do is pull up the carpet and see how the floor pan looks. The 69 I bought was not too good.

[214Chevy]

I'd say the $2500 tops is if it was running or would at least start. Call me stupid, crazy, deranged, idiot and all other stuff, but I'd offer $1500.:_paranoid I'd pretty much bet anything the whole floor and the rockers are gone after sitting on that dirt for almost 20 years....California or not.

[sokoloka]

id say 2500 tops....that thing will need a ton of work, parts, and money...

I'd say the $2500 tops is if it was running or would at least start. Call me stupid, crazy, deranged, idiot and all other stuff, but I'd offer $1500.:_paranoid I'd pretty much bet anything the whole floor and the rockers are gone after sitting on that dirt for almost 20 years....California or not.

Thanks for the feedback guys. I really appreciate it. Don't know how to break the news of what the car is actually worth to my buddy yet. Don't want to seem like I'm trying to drive down the price of the car by giving him an honest offer. HIGHLY doubt the car runs or starts.

I've been chatting with Rodger about the 1970 roller he has at Ironworks as well - want to build Camaro, would prefer a first gen but his is such a solid base that it's hard to overlook as a starting point.

In an ideal world I'd get a project that I'd actually be able to drive first, or at least move an inch under it's own power before taking it apart and dumping tons of money into it.

[GregWeld]

"CHEAP" in the beginning is EXPENSIVE in the end.... ALWAYS start with the best body you can...

When you buy this stuff and open up a can of worms -- and the bids are always "best guestimates" about what needs to be done - and it ALWAYS ends up costing far more. It's just the way it goes.

So unless you're planning on doing all the floors and sills and blah blah blah yourself... That car, to me, is an expensive "1st Gen" not a cheap one...:cheers:

[sokoloka]

Had the chance to see it in person now that I'm back in the states - opened the hood for the first time in 17 years and took additional pictures

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d14/sokoloka/SanDiego-20120916-00057.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d14/sokoloka/SanDiego-20120916-00059.jpg

Did a rust check top to bottom. Floor pans are in great condition, absolutely spotless. Trunk pan needs to be replaced, rockers have a some rust towards the front. Cowl looks to be in good condition, interior is otherwise junk. Gauges were stripped out of the car when it was broken into through the passenger vent window.

Can anyone help decode the trim tag? Any of the additional info change the valuation?

[Musclerodz]

Had the chance to see it in person now that I'm back in the states - opened the hood for the first time in 17 years and took additional pictures

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d14/sokoloka/SanDiego-20120916-00057.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d14/sokoloka/SanDiego-20120916-00059.jpg

Did a rust check top to bottom. Floor pans are in great condition, absolutely spotless. Trunk pan needs to be replaced, rockers have a some rust towards the front. Cowl looks to be in good condition, interior is otherwise junk. Gauges were stripped out of the car when it was broken into through the passenger vent window.

Can anyone help decode the trim tag? Any of the additional info change the valuation?

67-12637 67 Camaro "Deluxe" interior
797Z Parchment/Black stripe bucket seats
H-H Mountain Green exterior no vinyl top
W tinted windshield only
2LG 4 speed with console
3S Option Z23 Interior decor group

It is not a true SS350. If it was the nice thing on a 67 is that it would be listed on the cowl tag with a 4P option. Not a true RS either as that code would be 3L on the cowl tag as well. Sorry for the bad news not being a true rs or ss car.

[Bryan O]

Can anyone help decode the trim tag?

Go here: http://www.camaros.org/

From CRG:

04A Body assembly began 1st week of April 1967

G611 approximately 7th production day of April, 1967 for the start of the assembly and the 611th body started on that day

67-12637 model 12, custom interior, coupe

LOS 18922 Van Nuys plant, coupe with custom interior

797-Z standard A50 Strato Bucket seats (no headrest), interior color Parchment/Black, Carpet, instrument panel, and steering wheel are black

H-H Mountain green paint with black stripes

W 2LG 3S tinted windshield only,4-speed manual, front console, interior decor group

Any of the additional info change the valuation?

Nope. IMHO.

[snappytravis]

It, looks like quarters, rear panel, trunk, door skins, probably fenders, If your going to change motor and trans to newer ls stuff, Your pretty much buying a roof and hood, I agree with the 2500.00 bucks, Just depends on how deep your pockets are and what you want, If your not mechanically inclined you may be better of buying a car done, good luck

[Vegas69]

Run:unibrow:

[FETorino]

Run:unibrow:

Sound advice.

I'd search for something like this to haggle over.

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/3181896284.html

[Vince@Meanstreets]

pass, unless he gives you money to take it.

[sokoloka]

Thanks guys! I'm elbows deep in my Corvette still, but at the least I can pass on this information so my co-worker can know what to expect as a fair valuation.

[onevoice]

Your friend isn't going to want to hear it, but what everyone said above is true. I have seen many similar cars weather to junk by sitting outside uncared for. It certainly can be rescued, but you can buy a good car cheaper. That car would make a good racecar, it isn't an SS/RS, and bodywork would cost a fortune.

Just from the pictures, it needs quarters, rockers, and a trunk floorpan. Just those areas are probably 100 hours plus parts. Depending on bodyshop rates in your part of the country, that alone could run 10k, and it still needs paint. Unless you are a bodyman, figure an absolute bottom dollar of 15k, and if there is more damage than you are seeing, and the paintjob goes up the scale, you could easily reach 25k-30k. And dont forget to figure at least a year before it gets out of paint. And that is an average example, it could be much worse. Even a gen1 small block will set you back 5k with all the details. Interior needs 2k-4K for soft parts and gauges and could go up from there. Want a t56, figure 3.5k, then hook it to a $500 driveshaft, and $2500 for an axle to actually turn the wheels. Brakes? 2k and up by the time you replace everything from the pedal to the wheels. Suspension? Just a stock style clean/paint/rebuild will be an easy 1k, and you can go to the moon.

Everyone wants to build their own, and make the "barn find " (or backyard) deal of the century, and that is fine. But it will always be cheaper, not to mention faster, to buy a complete car. As an example, there is a 67 currently in the classifieds that has been stored inside and taken care of for 35 years (shameless promotion - it's mine), that you can pick up cheaper, and be driving tomorrow.

[Stuart Adams]

That is an expensive camaro right there. 100 - 200K.

[califconstruct]

Unless your into fabrication, welding and an avid mechanic, pass on it. spend a couple extra grand for a cleaner car, less rust - 6k - 9k range, and forget the major headaches. You'll find plenty of other parts and upgrades to blow your money on there after! :D

[GT350]

Thanks guys! I'm elbows deep in my Corvette still, but at the least I can pass on this information so my co-worker can know what to expect as a fair valuation.

sent you apm

[califconstruct]

Unless your into fabrication, welding and an avid mechanic, pass on it. spend a couple extra grand for a cleaner car, less rust - 6k - 9k range, and forget the major headaches. You'll find plenty of other parts and upgrades to blow your money on there after! :D

not sure of your location, but came across this: :unibrow:


http://fresno.craigslist.org/cto/3308865274.html

[Den69RS96]

Thats a typical car in the northeast. I've seen just shells selling for more than 3g that needed a ton of work.