LSA Powered 69 Camaro -"Lou's Change"

[Lous69]

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Well, its been a long time but my son Dan and I finally decided to build the car we've been talking about and planning for years.

This dream started back in 1998 when Dan and I bought our 1969 Camaro as a Father and Son project. Within 24 hours of bringing it home we had it all torn apart. We put it back together to our liking at the time. It sported a mild 327 motor, Muncie M21 transmission and a 12 bolt rear end.

In 2003 we took it all apart and put it back together again. That round we installed a totally rebuilt subframe, built and installed a very strong 383 stroker motor, rebuilt and installed a Muncie M20 transmission and added lots of chrome glitter under the hood. Hey, stop laughing, all that chrome was really cool back then and pro-touring wasn't even born yet!!

Today Dan is a professional automotive designer and we've decided it's time for us to take our little Camaro to yet the next level. He converted our discussions and dreams into renderings of our vision for the next version of our car which we have named "Lou's Change", (a play on my first name and the fact that we can't seem to leave well enough alone)

Sharp eyes will notice the rendering includes design cues that serve as tributes to the new ZL1 Camaro including its modified LSA crate motor, striping and other subtle hints.

We're throwing everything the Detroit Speed catalogue has to offer a 69 Camaro at this build since their stuff looks so cool and they are continuously pounding on their products to make them better. For example, their headers play the part of beautiful sculpture every bit as well as that of performance parts.

We selected the LSA crate motor from GM performance parts. After initial mock up, we're sending the motor to Lingenfelter for a boost in horsepower. The goal is to get it up well over 700HP. We will be running a ZL1 top hat on the supercharger to get the intercooler lines facing forward and to stay with our ZL1 inspiration/theme.

We've going with a complete T56 Magnum set up including scatter shield, dual disc clutch and hydraulics.

Braking will take place via Wilwood's 6 piston calipers grabbing 14" discs up front and their 12" floating caliper system in the rear.

Forgeline's brand new DE3C Concave wheel design was our obvious choice because of its combination of concave center along with a smooth outer rim sans any steps.

The interior will "look" pretty much stock but it will have Vintage Air A/C and Dakota Digital's brand new 1969 Camaro specific gauges.

We still have lots of design details to figure out now that the build has started. I am sure I will continue to post lots of questions during the build to tap into your collective wisdom. Thank you very much in advance for your advice. It's been amazing to see how everyone here is so anxious and willing to help one another.

In the past, Dan and I did our own builds but this one deserves craftsmanship beyond our current skills.

We decided the right builder for us is V8TVshow. We had watched lots of their videos in which they describe their build philosophies and then show you how to do it yourself. We were able to crawl all over their most recent build, "Reloaded", at SEMA last October. Finally, once we met them, we could tell they would be really good people to work with.

Here's a link to the kick off video V8TV put together:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fXe-9WjvkK0

[clill]

Cool rendering. I like the different grill.

[Lous69]

Last week Kevin Oeste of V8TV called me and said "Hey, my buddy Charley Lillard, who owns Jackass is coming through town with the Hot Rod Power Tour. Would you like to meet him and see his car ?"

I said "Are you kidding me?..... You mean THE Jackass Camaro that inspired my build?......The one that had a ZR1 engine in it practically before the first Corvette hit the streets with one?......Heck yes I would!!!"

Kevin introduced me and like so many of you, I found Charley to be one of the coolest guys you could meet.

He let me crawl all over his car.
He told me to get in and start it up.
He answered tons of questions.

Next, he asked me to ride shotgun down the drag strip with him!

How cool is that?

Wow, what an awesome day it turned out to be.

I was in sensory overload.

[camcojb]

Welcome to the site, Charley is one of the good guys for sure.

[waynieZ]

Welcome Lou ! Sweet looking rendering. Glad to hear Charlie took good care of you. He's a true car lover indeed and has an awesome collection.
I can't wait to see more of your build.

[Lous69]

A few "Before" Pics

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[Lous69]

The plan is to first install the Detroit Speed subframe along with the LSA and T56 Magnum to make sure everything is basically sorted and operational.

Once that is done, the LSA will be sent to Lingenfelter so they can work their magic including heads, cam, porting, pulleys, tune, etc. The goal is north of 700HP.

Here are some shots of the work done so far:

Out comes the trusty 383 smallblock and subframe
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Incoming from Detroit Speed!!

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True Craftsmanship. Look at those welds.
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[frankv11]

welcome to the site and enjoy the build, you got a nice car to start with. just be careful before you know it , you'll be buying more parts and spending more money than you ever anticipated. I have a project that sometime looks like my first born (will be a year old in few days ) is going to finish for me. :lol:

[Lous69]

Look at the bright side,

It could be worse.....Dan is my second born:lol:

[DOOM]

Your in great hands Kevin and the gang do great work!!

[V8TV]

We're all very honored and privileged at the V8TV Shop to have Lou choose us to bring his Camaro to the next level. He and Dan have been great to work with, and we're all excited about the car. Here's the first video if you didn't get a chance to see it. You can meet Lou and Dan and get a feel for the importance of this car.

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These are the projects we really like, the ones that have different dimensions of relevance to the owner. Being trusted with something very significant to the owner and family is a responsibility we don't take lightly. The added bonus is that Lou's family are very cool people to be around, so we are all having a great time with it.

Thanks to all for the kind words, you can bet we are working hard to make sure this car meets the high expectations of everyone involved, including us.

[mdprovee]

Nice progress thru the years, looks like it will be fun!!

[Lous69]

Here is the Bad Boy LSA that is going into Lou's Change. It is a CTS-V spec GM crate motor. After mock up it will be sent to Lingenfelter Performance Engineering for them to work their magic on it. Heads, cam, porting, pulleys, tune, etc. are all part of the Lingenfelter plan. The goal is gobs of torque and over 700 reliable and trouble free horse power.

You will notice it has the CTS-V top hat on the supercharger.

We're hoping to go with the new ZL1 top hat because it has the intercooler lines coming out the front, an improved heat exchanger brick inside and a shape that improves air flow overall (according to the GM literature).
In addition, the intent of the Lou's Change concept is to include tributes to the ZL1 vs. than the CTS-V. Hopefully the ZL1 top hat is going to fit under the stock SS hood.

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Here are GM pictures of the parts used in the CTS-V spec LSA motor and the ZL1 spec LSA motor. You can see the differences in the supercharger top hats.



The CTS-V has rear exiting intercooler lines and a profile that slopes down in front.

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The ZL1 has front exiting intercooler lines and the profile does not slope towards the front.


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The Detroit Speed headers were ordered to make sure everything would go together as a totally engineered and proven system with minimal surprises. Yes, they are expensive but look at the craftsmanship. They are works of art in my humble opinion.

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The CTS-V tophat has the intercooler lines exiting towards the rear.
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[Bryan O]

We're throwing everything the Detroit Speed catalogue has to offer a 69 Camaro at this build...

Their transmission crossmember, too? ;)

http://www.detroitspeed.com/1967-1969%20Camaro-Firebird-Products/011201-trans-crssmbr.html

[Jr]

Very cool project. Are you trying to get 700 flywheel or rear wheel horsepower out of that Lsa motor? The Lsa heads flow pretty well out of the box. You could change the pulley and cam,
and hit your mark of 700 pretty easy.

[waynieZ]

Awesome plan Lou. Thats going to be one wild ride when you need it to be and a pleasure to drive on the street. Nice to see a son and his father doing things togther.:thumbsup:

[Lous69]

Mock up has officially begun. Trial fitting of the Detroit Speed subframe looked perfect as you would expect.

We had to find some rollers that would clear the 14" Wilwood rotors we've ordered so we picked up a set of 2012 Camaro takeoff wheels and tires.

Hopefully, those tires will fit in the wheel wells...if not we'll have to find some lower profile tires for mock up.

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We used Detroit Speed's subframe, steering rack, motor mounts and headers so everything fit together very nicely.

V8TV will custom fabricate a custom cross member for the T56 Magnum transmission and notch the subframe to clear the A/C compressor mounted in the low passenger side location as it is in the factory CTS-V and ZL-1 configurations. That will allow the use of the
OEM front accessory kit we ordered with the crate motor.

We could move the A/C compressor mount up high but we're in pursuit of the cleanest engine bay we can achieve as inspired by Charley's Jackass Camaro.
Kevin and Trevor have been kicking some ideas around in that regard.;)

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Everything fits so nicely so far..

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Looks like the rear exit supercharger intercooler lines would not have had a conflict with the firewall afterall.

As I said before, we hope to use the ZL1 top hat with front exit coolant lines anyway.

We're shooting for well over 700HP at the crank with all the Lingenfelter mods. Those are the kind of numbers we feel the CTS-V crowd and all the tuners have proven is safe without having to also beef up the bottom end of the LSA crate motor.


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As you can see, the LSA oil pan hangs down below the subframe a little bit. It's not hanging down any more than my old motor did but we may need to get a different oil pan just to be safe.

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[ChuckDriver]

Awesome project!

[V8TV]

I've been thinking about the cooling systems on the car, and while the Linegnfelter ZL1 has done some pretty amazing things on a stock cooling system and charge cooler heat exchanger, I think our application will benefit from some increased capacity and additional coolers.

Their Z has run fast in the quarter, but that gives you time to cool the car between runs. If you saw heard any of the stories about the 200+ mph runs, you know that the limiting factor was the amount of heat the supercharger created during long runs.

We have seen it time and again in dyno tuning sessions with these types of systems, they really can pack in the heat.

Now I realize we're probably not going to be making 200 mph passes on the car, but we'd like to do everything we can to minimize heat soak when the car is on a road course.

I'm also considering oil temperature and steering fluid temps. Having recently spoken to a variety of "smarties", it's obvious we need to prevent these temps from rising and causing harm on track days. I think we can add an oil temp sensor to the Dakota dash.

I've long preferred an integrated cooling system - like OE auto trans coolers integrated in the radiator. I've heard that Stielow and Tucker are going to the approach of oil and steering coolers integrated in the radiator rather than stand-alone coolers. The benefits are not only for packaging and airflow and fan assist, but also the the engine coolant can help warm & cool the other circuits, preventing rapid heat spikes and potential bad stuff.

So now I'm thinking of a cooling module with engine coolant, engine oil, & power steering circuits, as well as an upsized inter cooler heat exchanger. Add to that a high quality a/c coil and we should be golden. I've heard DSE is using C&R for these kinds of radiators, I'm looking into them now.

[Lous69]

Just another reason why I know I'm in good hands on this project.

I appreciate the way Kevin thinks about his customers' projects just as if he was building his own car.

His ideas about the cooling system are just the latest example.

Kelle and the rest of the V8TV crew think that way too.


Here are some pics of the new Dakota Digital gauges we are going to use in Lou's Change.

I want the interior to look mostly stock but to have modern gauges. When Dakota Digital came out with these 69 Camaro specific pieces they were the obvious choice for me.

They can be programmed to display all kinds of things including temperatures, pressures and even performance results.

For instance, they can display 0-60 times, 1/4 mile elapsed times, etc.

Very cool eh?

Oh, by the way.... for all you Fathers out there,

HAPPY FATHER"S DAY!

Father and Son projects are extra special today.

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[V8TV]

Happy Father's Day to you Lou! Thanks again for the kind words.

We actually consider these cars to be our own in in some ways. We know it's yours, but any decent builder puts a big part of themselves into a car like this. Our team is thinking about it constantly, trying to make sure it does what it's supposed to do and makes you happy, which brings us satisfaction and possibly more projects. We often ask ourselves "how cool is it that we get to build this car?"

We'll be looking into cross members this week, as well as some other details. I'll post updates / questions / concerns here... We really appreciate the feedback from the Lat-G family. This is a great source of info form people who really know their stuff.

:cheers:

[waynieZ]

Lou I love the gauges, I already bought Autometers for my car or I'd be dreaming of a set of those for mine.

[Jay Hilliard]

Awesome project. I love the gauges also. Let me know how the mock 2012 camaro wheels work.

[Lous69]

Kevin and his crew are deep into the details to make sure all our subsystems (cooling, ecu, wiring harness, etc.) will play nicely together when assembled. We're also waiting for ordered parts to come in to move the mock up phase forward.

Amidst all of that, last weekend he took me for a ride in V8TV's latest major build, a 1968 Camaro named Reloaded.

What a treat. This car is especially nice in terms of fit and finish. I was impressed with lots of little details like how solid the doors felt and sounded when you shut them as compared to other first gens like mine.

The suspension and ride was impressive to say the least. It has Detroit Speed's enhancements to the stock subframe and their QUADRALink set up in the rear.

Reloaded rides like a daily driver with virtually no rattles or squeeks and can literally throw a person out of the seat if they are not strapped in and paying attention. I was impressed with the way there was no perception of lean in the turns.

Seems like every time I hang out around Kevin I get to ride in another awesome car. Very fun.

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There are tons of pics of the "Reloaded" build here:
http://www.v8tvshow.com/images/stories/68_Camaro/68_WebGalleries/Main.html

[Lous69]

The crew at V8TV has started opening more boxes and figuring out the details for the mock up phase of Lou's Change.

Since this car will have design tributes to the new ZL1, we want to run the actual Camaro ZL1 supercharger top hat instead of the CTS V top hat that comes on the crate motor.

Besides that, the GM press releases claim the Camaro top hat was redesigned for increased performance via more interior volume and a new internal heat exchanger design. :cool:

The ZL1 top hat can now be ordered from the dealer. It comes with the heat exchanger inside and all the sensors are included. It bolts right on.


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OK, This next picture is scary because I really, really want to run the stock SS hood. Not sure if this top hat is going to fit as is.
The engine may not have to tilt this much once the transmission and cross member are installed....

Hopefully the V8TV crew will be able to lower the engine if need be.:fingersx:

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The intercooler lines exit the ZL1 Camaro top hat in the front vs. in the rear as they do in the CTS V top hat.

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The fuel rail and the lower coolant line look like they will want to occupy the same space. It's odd that the GM press photos of the ZL1 engine show the lower line to have a 90 degree fitting in it but the top hat comes with a straight fitting in it...

I think I might have to go to the Chevy dealer to see what they actually do to avoid any interference on the ZL1 production units. My curiosity is getting the best of me.

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[Rybar]

Looks good Lou, I like the attention to the details you guys are doing. Blower top hat does look better.

[waynieZ]

Thats a nice looking piece for sure.

[Lous69]

To figure out the front supercharger intercooler line issue, I went to a nearby dealer who happens to have a beautiful black ZL1 in stock. (My guess is it is in stock because they have it priced $5k over sticker.)

They were nice enough to let me take a few quick pictures of the intercooler lines where they exit the front of the supercharger.

As I stated in my earlier post, we were a little concerned that the coolant line and the fuel rail would want to occupy the same space and we might need to get a different fuel rail but it looks like the fuel rail on the LSA crate motor and the ZL1 are the same piece.

The bottom ZL1 intercooler line just makes a zig zag to miss the fuel rail before it snakes out from the middle of the engine cover.

By the way, Chevy did a really nice job on the exhaust note of the ZL1. In my opinion, it definetely sounds better than my C6Z06.

I'm just posting these pictures here in case someone needs to figure this out later for their own build.

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[V8TV]

Thanks for posting those pics, Lou.

What are your thoughts on the shrink-wrapped rubber coolant hoses? I was thinking we could make something a little nicer in powdercoated stainless tube with rubber ends.

[camcojb]

Thanks for posting those pics, Lou.

What are your thoughts on the shrink-wrapped rubber coolant hoses? I was thinking we could make something a little nicer in powdercoated stainless tube with rubber ends.

That's the first thing I noticed, looks very out of place. I would route those hoses completely differently, it would drive me nuts that way.

[Lous69]

Since we will likely be using a cooling fluid reservoir for the intercooler circuit like the one we saw on the Lingenfelter ZL1 on Power Tour and a larger heat exchanger we will need to fabricate custom lines anyway.

As usual, you have better ideas than what I am smart enough to ask for Kevin.

[Vegas69]

I agree, GM slapped that together. There will be failures down the road due to that design.

[Lous69]

Well these projects are a function of learning the details and then figuring out what they all mean.

It looks like the Quick Time bellhousing we were planning to use will not allow the use of a double disc clutch.

Sure, there are single disc clutches that could probably handle the load but it doesn't make sense to lock ourselves out of a double disc option if we don't have to so we think we'll go with a factory bellhousing.

We may also need to modify the transmission tunnel in order to clear the
T56 Magnum with the stock bell housing. Oh well, better to do that now than down the road.

[Unit2]

Hi Lou,

I have the LSA motor in my Camaro and the one issue that i found is with the radiator return location. The standard camaro radiator have them on the upper driver side of the vehicle which is what i ended up with because i did not know the angled intake would be an issue till later on. Anyways I would suggest that you get a new unit with the return line on the upper passenger side of the radiator this will allow you to do your intake tube with no interferance from the upper hose of the radiator. Although I did manage to make the custom intake tube it would have been easier with out the hose in the way. Here is a picture of my installation, you can check out by build thread in Lateral G " Pioneer Stage 3 LSA 69 RS SS Camaro" to see more. One other item, not sure what you plan to do with the oil pan but you will need a version that is similar to the one that comes with the motor but you will need to have clearance for the cross memeber. I modifed mine and the stupid thing hangs below the cross memeber and has a small leak. I am switching over to the MAST motorsports pan that is perfect for the installation. I will post images of the change out on my thread in the next few weeks. I hope this information is useful. I would have liked it if someone informed me of what the issues where before i got there. Would have saved me some headaches.

[V8TV]

Thanks for the pic, we've been discussing this exact topic in the shop about moving the upper radiator return to the passenger side for this reason. We appreciate the tip!

[Unit2]

If you need any more information let me know. You can call me at 714 553 2328. I have been running this car for over a year now.

Nev

[Lous69]

Our Forgeline Wheels have arrived!!

These are their new Concave DE3C design.

18 X10s for the front and 18X12s for the rear.

Centers and inner rings are what they call their titanium finish. The outer rims are brushed aluminum with semigloss clear finish.

Sweet!!:razz:

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We liked the way these have concave centers but still have a nice muscle car lip.

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I went with the hidden bolt option just because I'm a clean freak and those would be a lot of bolts to clean around.

So maybie that means I'm more lazy than a clean freak???

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Originally we ordered gloss clear over the brushed aluminum but Forgeline suggested semigloss clear might look even better. We took their advice. Glad we did.

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Fronts have a nice lip too.

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Trevor checking backspacing and clearances during mock up.


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[ma73z]

WOW! Those are some sweet looking wheels :drool:

[214Chevy]

I just stared at those rims without blinking for about 2 minutes straight. :wow: :wow: They are beautiful!!:bow: :bow:

[waynieZ]

Very Nice Lou they'll look great!

[Musclerodz]

Thanks for the pic, we've been discussing this exact topic in the shop about moving the upper radiator return to the passenger side for this reason. We appreciate the tip!

the standard dual pass radiators move the upper hose to the passenger side and if ordered for LS, also has a location for steam vent.

[MarkM66]

What harness and controller are you going to use for the engine?

[Lous69]

What harness and controller are you going to use for the engine?

Were using the GM performance kit number 19259293 that is made for their LSA crate motor. The kit includes:

■Two oxygen sensors
■Two oxygen sensor mounting bosses (for installation in the exhaust system)
■A mass airflow meter
■A mass airflow meter mounting boss (for installation in the air intake system)
■A throttle pedal assembly (for use with the electronically operated throttle)
■A complete wiring harness with fuse box
■The programmed controller
■An instruction sheet.

The ECU and the fuse panel are going to be mounted under the dash inside the car.

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[Lous69]

Well it's time for me to pick the seats for Lou's Change. I've narrowed it down to these three candidates:

Recaro's "Sport" Seat with vinyl bolsters and suede center section.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/RECAROSPORTLEATHERANDSUEDE.jpg







Corbeau's "LG1 wide" in all black leather.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/CorbeauLG1allblackleather.jpg






Arizen's "ST2" with inserts that match 69 Camaro back seat material.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/ArizenST2-Comfortweave2.jpg

[jeff71]

Recaro 100%

[214Chevy]

Recaro 100%

Those other two seats are nice until you put them up against Recaro. No question......RECARO!!!! :yes: :yes:

[Ron in SoCal]

Have you sat in them? Makes all the difference in the world. I compared the Recaro Sport, Speed and Corbeau. Speed gets my vote all day even if you need to recover to suit. GL Sir!

[Lous69]

Well, after a lot of thought and research, I decided to go with Recaro's Sport Line seats. Thanks to those of you who gave me good advice.

"Changing Gears" , so to speak, Here are some goodies that recently showed up:

First a T56 Magnum supplied by Modern Driveline

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_06.22.12_27.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_06.22.12_16.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_06.22.12_13.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_06.22.12_01.JPG

We ordered the 1000 Horse Power rated fuel tank system offered by Detroit Speed.

It is narrowed to allow for their mini tubs plus the corners are notched enough for the exhaust to get by.

It also includes the VaporWorx system including the CTS-V dual pump fuel pump module inside.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.05.12_04.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.05.12_06.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.05.12_09.JPG


Tank installed for mock up phase.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.05.12_17.JPG

[Lous69]

This picture requires a little explaining.

You are looking at the clearance between the ZL1 spec. supercharger hat and the bottom side of our SS style hood.

Eureka!!! It's going to fit!!!

Kevin and the crew at V8TV say they will clearance some of the hood bracing here and there to be safe but it looks like our plan is going to work out well.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.17.12_009.JPG

[cashed]

Amazing build, can't wait to see how it all comes together.

[waynieZ]

You've got some awesome part going in there. I can't wait for more updates!

[Unit2]

I saw some of the build images and saw that the oil pan hangs down below the cross member. Not sure what the ride height is but if this car is lowered you may want to change the pan out before you go too far. For me it was an issue but MAST motor sports has a low profile pan that will work. I just did the swap in my car and it does an awesome job.

[Rick D]

Looks great Lou lets see the latest pictures please!

[Lous69]

I saw some of the build images and saw that the oil pan hangs down below the cross member. Not sure what the ride height is but if this car is lowered you may want to change the pan out before you go too far. For me it was an issue but MAST motor sports has a low profile pan that will work. I just did the swap in my car and it does an awesome job.

We agree that it will be better to use an oil pan that does not hang down below the subframe.
Ride height will be a function of the full DSE subframe and suspension front and rear.
When mock up is complete we will be sending the LSA motor to Lingenfelter for their 700+ horsepower modifications. We will put a better oil pan on when the motor comes back from them.
Thanks for the tip on the Mast pan. We will look into that.

[Lous69]

I decided to order the Recaro Sport seats from THMotorsports. They were prompt, easy to deal with and included availability information along with their quote. Of course, their prices were competitive too.
The passenger seat has already arrived.

THMotorsports could have just sold me the Recaro sliders and mounting brackets which are not made specifically for installation into a first gen. Camaro.
Instead, they encouraged me to consider using the Corbeau sliders and mounting brackets since they will fit the Recaros and they are specifically designed for installation into first gen. Camaros. That's the kind of service that makes a person sure they are dealing with the right folks.

Here are some pics of the seat in case you are considering them. I couldn't find some of these views when I was researching them.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3240.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3243.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3242.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3258.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3261.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3262.jpg

While I am happy with the seats, I will say that I am surprised that Recaro doesn't put more effort into making the seam down the side of the seat look better. Perhaps they should be using double stitching or something because as you can see in the following picture, the vertical seam down the side of the seat looks a little "amateurish" in my opinion. I think it should be nice a crisp without wrinkles and kinks.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3255.jpg

Here is the Corbeau slider and mounting bracket assembly.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3253.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3252.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3251.jpg

OK, that's probably overkill for seats but hey, one could argue they are the part of the car we experience the most right?

[214Chevy]

I decided to order the Recaro Sport seats from THMotorsports. They were prompt, easy to deal with and included availability information along with their quote. Of course, their prices were competitive too.

Lou, are you satisfied with their customer service? Are their prices fair too? The reason I ask is because I was thinking of going with this company.... http://www.motorsportseats.com/recaro/. I've talked to them a few times and like what they are saying. Seats look good by the way.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Lous69]

The crew at V8TV has been working on the trans tunnel and firewall.

The T56Magnum required the trans tunnel to be opened up since we are mounting the LSA motor in the rearmost position using DSE LS motor mounts.

The trans tunnel was clearanced by John.

First he cut out a basic window that would allow him to clearly see what needed to be done when the trans got lifted into position.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.27.12_03.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.27.12_13.JPG


That obnoxious shifter hole cutout was compliments of someone in the past.

Next, John lifted the trans to plan his overall surgery strategy.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.27.12_20.JPG


He could now see he had to slightly raise the tunnel and to create a whole new tunnel to firewall transition.

First he made a new tunnel roof and welded it in.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.30.12_08.JPG


Notice how he made a piece that gently transitions into the original tunnel with nice radius edges.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.30.12_13.JPG


He then cut out the firewall to tunnel transition and began fabricating his own.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.31.12_01.JPG


Here is the result of John's craftsmanship. I think it looks a lot nicer than the stock transition ever did.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.08.12_02.JPG


He also made a filler panel for the firewall and installed it.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.31.12_11.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.31.12_22.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.08.12_09.JPG


http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/transtunnelfab.jpg

Next week the body goes out to media blasting. We already know there will be some needed floor and trunk repairs along with some inner rear fender and dash repairs. Hopefully there won't be TOO many surprises when it comes back...

[badmatt]

Those seats look great, id raise some **** with Recaro about that seam though..

poor quality control on that piece.

[V8TV]

The seats are very nice.

Here's the 2nd video on the car, the reasoning and assembly of the Detroit Speed subframe and front suspension.


tSAGSCT9Mlw

Much more to come!

[g356gear]

Next week the body goes out to media blasting. We already know there will be some needed floor and trunk repairs along with some inner rear fender and dash repairs. Hopefully there won't be TOO many surprises when it comes back...
I think I would be "knockin on wood" right about now.;)

[Lous69]

I think I would be "knockin on wood" right about now.;)

I have been. So much so, my head hurts...

I'm saying my prayers, being nice to others and not running with scissors in hopes the rust Gods will be nice....

Having said that, the V8TV crew has a proven track record of being able to fix what needs fixing, all the while saying things like "when we're done, you won't be able to tell we were ever there."

If you look at the picture gallery of V8TV's Royal Purple Camaro build on their web site it leaves little doubt they can fix ANY amount of rust.

Very impressive.

Most people would have given up and looked for another body.

Here's a link to that gallery:

http://www.v8tvshow.com/images/stories/Royal_Sport_Camaro/RS05/index.html

[Musclerodz]

Next week the body goes out to media blasting. We already know there will be some needed floor and trunk repairs along with some inner rear fender and dash repairs. Hopefully there won't be TOO many surprises when it comes back...

I would have waited till after blasting before welding up the clearanced areas since I know Murphy works full time at my shop. No doubt Kevin and crew will do you right in the event you did not knock on the right piece of wood.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I decided to order the Recaro Sport seats from THMotorsports.

While I am happy with the seats, I will say that I am surprised that Recaro doesn't put more effort into making the seam down the side of the seat look better. Perhaps they should be using double stitching or something because as you can see in the following picture, the vertical seam down the side of the seat looks a little "amateurish" in my opinion. I think it should be nice a crisp without wrinkles and kinks.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3255.jpg




Agreed.

Should never have been passed by QC. No excuse for that IMO.

[Lous69]

While we wait for the car to return from the media blaster I thought I might provide an update on some details and parts we have ordered.

Our cooling strategy has evolved. We decided to upgrade from our original plan of just copying what is used in the ZL1. We listened to some of the good advice we got from this thread and others.

We ended up ordering a C&R radiator module rated for 1000HP. The module is made to drop right into the first gen Camaro. It includes two mounted fans, engine oil cooling and power steering cooling. It also has both the engine coolant inlet and exit on the passenger side.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/CRradiatorModule-1.jpg

For an intercooler, we decided to go with C&R's GT500 intercooler. It also comes complete with two fans already mounted.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/CRGT500intercooler.jpg

For the intercooler pump, we decided on the 55 GPM rated unit sold by Torq.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/torqintercoolerpump1.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/torqintercoolerpump2.jpg

With all that cooling packaging in the vacinity of the core support we decided that a hood latch assembly similar to the one Stielow used in Charlie's JackAss was in order.
The arrangement they used is cable accuated which also offers a little more secure access to the engine compartment.
It also just looks cool.

Here is the hood latch in JackAss. Like the rest of the engine bay, it's a very clean solution:

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/DSC_2348.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Detroit20Autorama2020082014520Small.jpg

When we started our research on where to buy parts to do something similar, we first figured out the latch/lock pieces were similar to those used in some mid 80s-early 90s era Volkswagens.

For instance, here is a Lower hood latch for a 1990 Volkswagen Jetta:

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/191823509.jpg
http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/191823509Pic2.jpg

Here is the Upper hood latch for the same car:

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/191823507Pic2.jpg
http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/191823507.jpg

For these pieces, it appears there are genuine Volkswagen parts and then there are cheap imitations. Even on the genuine VW parts, we were a little hesitant relative to the safety catch design which looks pretty light weight.

Next we found a very nice, turn key solution already customized to drop right into first gens. The kit is made by Screamin' Performance. Here are some pics from their web site:

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/67-6920camaro20hood20latch20assy2.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_6746.jpg

Not only did Screamin' Performance engineer a total drop in solution, it looks like they also beefed up the safety catch and some other aspects of the latches.

Since we are planning to custom build the covers in and around the core support anyway, we decided to just buy the beefiest latch components we could find of similar construction.

That led us to the hood latches that were used on the Volkswagen Thing back in the 70's. I know, most of you are probably too young to rememeber that vehicle....

These are the pieces we ended up with because they are very similar but considerably stronger. For instance, note how the safety catch is a U shaped, wide claw design vs. a single metal thickness design. The easier to access opening lever/tab is also a nice upgrade.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3312.jpg
http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3311.jpg
http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3310.jpg

In case you decide to go this route one day, the part numbers are as follows:
Upper latch: VW 175 823 507
Lower latch: VW 411 823 509
They are still available through sites who sell parts to restore the old VW Things.

[Grnova]

While we wait for the car to return from the media blaster I thought I might provide an update on some details and parts we have ordered.

Our cooling strategy has evolved. We decided to upgrade from our original plan of just copying what is used in the ZL1. We listened to some of the good advice we got from this thread and others.

We ended up ordering a C&R radiator module rated for 1000HP. The module is made to drop right into the first gen Camaro. It includes two mounted fans, engine oil cooling and power steering cooling. It also has both the engine coolant inlet and exit on the passenger side.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/CRradiatorModule-1.jpg

For an intercooler, we decided to go with C&R's GT500 intercooler. It also comes complete with two fans already mounted.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/CRGT500intercooler.jpg

This is exactly what i am looking for on my set up. GREAT FIND!!! Are there Vendors on his site for C&R???

[randy]

so it seems like there setup constist of this cable latch
http://www.carid.com/lokar/item-1085823.html?utm_source=become_com&utm_medium=comparator&utm_campaign=Become_feed

and the VW part numbers you posted huh

[BBC71Nova]

This is exactly what i am looking for on my set up. GREAT FIND!!! Are there Vendors on his site for C&R???

If I'm not mistaken Dan@Holohan's is setup as a C&R dealer. They are nice pieces as seen here.

[waynieZ]

Thats a beautiiful cooling set up you decided on. You should have no problems with that in there.

[Lous69]

Even though we’re following the best of the best in many aspects of this build we still find that we are doing some things that apparently no one else has done before.

One of those things is putting an LSA motor in the Detroit Speed subframe and mounting the AC compressor and the alternator tight and low on their respective sides of the engine.

We could only find people who have installed their LSA in either stock or other after market subframes.

This made me a little nervous but the crew at V8TV just took it in stride as another challenge to be overcome.

First, they took one of the small Sanden SD-7 AC compressors Vintage Air recommends for use in their systems.

The objective was to mount it low and tight right about here but a little further back…

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.16.12_23.JPG

Next they performed a little surgery on the subframe and massaged the motor mount a little..

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.23.12_02.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.23.12_08.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.24.12_11.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.24.12_13.JPG

Then they made their own lower mounting bracket...

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.30.12i_03.JPG

Their own upper mounting bracket...

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.30.12i_01.JPG

Their own adjustment link...

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.30.12i_04.JPG

And there you have it…AC compressor where we want it!

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.30.12i_07.JPG

To mount the alternator tight and low on the driver’s side, they started with an alternator from East Coast Auto Electric. It is smaller but still puts out more than 120 AMPs (part number 2003)

They put a mock up pulley on it and sized up their plan of attack…

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.27.12_09.JPG

With some surgery on the mounting bracket and some minor fabrication it looked feasible to mount the alternator without modifications to the subframe.

They pulled it off. No notching of the frame required on this side..

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.30.12i_13.JPG

For the steering pump, we bought a reservoir that has an extra return line port in it from Jones. We need an extra return line port because we are going to install a Hydratech brake booster.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.21.12_12.JPG

That reservoir works best with the Corvette power steering pump so they made some slight modifications to the Corvette style pump to mount it in the LSA mounts.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.21.12_14.JPG

The result….What we think is the World’s first LSA with ZL-1 accessory locations installed in a Detroit Speed Subframe….. TA DAAH!!

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.30.12i_17.JPG

Frankly, the V8TV crew makes this stuff look easy. Can you tell I’m a happy customer?

[V8TV]

Lou did a nice job of simplifying the front accessory drive challenge a little, but the concept was to keep it as simple as possible. We never said simple = easy, but we're happy with the results.

The LSA belt system and front of engine are very different from the LS9, so we chose to work with what we had rather than change everything and try to adapt the LS9 stuff as others have done.

Also, the LSA power steering pump is unlike most common Type II GM pumps. The LSA uses a plastic reservoir. We didn't think we could safely add a port to the plastic reservoir and expect it to stand up to harsh use over time without issues. We really liked the fabricated Jones piece that provides the additional ports for returns.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.22.12i_08.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.22.12i_09.JPG


However, you cannot simply swap the LSA reservoir for the Jones piece, which fits Corvette pumps. You'll notice in the pics that the LSA pump has no "slide" mounts for the retaining clips and tabs that hold the Jones and other GM type plastic reservoirs. In addition, the LSA pump has threaded mounts to attach it to the bracket, not openings for bolts to pass-through like most others. Next, the outlet has a 90-degree fitting pressed into the side. The fitting isn't hard to work around, but the missing tabs and threaded bosses were interesting.

We ended up using a Corvette style pump, which shares the large diameter shaft with the LSA. We simply added Heli-Coil inserts to the Corvette pump and mounted the Jones reservoir to it as designed. Clearance is tight to the heads, so the correct length bolt is crucial as not to hit the head or the pulley on the front. The whole assembly bolted up to the stock LSA bracket at that point.

These little projects take some time, but are fun to do when you figure everything out. We're fortunate to have a crew that likes to find solutions that would pass for OE.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

great project guys and a lot of in house ingenuity.

There wouldn't be a part number on that fuse box and relay center would there??

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.03.12_09.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.03.12_08.JPG

[V8TV]

That fuse / relay panel is part of the GMPP LSA controller system # 19259293. It's a nice piece.

We found a nice home for it in place of the original ash tray, and we'll be making a custom hinge for the ash tray door to flip down for easy access.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.25.12_31.JPG

[Vince@Meanstreets]

That fuse / relay panel is part of the GMPP LSA controller system # 19259293. It's a nice piece.

We found a nice home for it in place of the original ash tray, and we'll be making a custom hinge for the ash tray door to flip down for easy access.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.25.12_31.JPG

haa thats exactly what i was thinking. thanks Kevin.

[Sonar Chief]

WOW ... just went through the pages of the RUST found on your car and it made me sick to my stomach. It is worse cuz someone tried to cover it up.

At least the RUST on my car was from natural causes and I knew there were no body men helping out the cause. Kevin has his hands full now, GOOD LUCK!

[Lous69]

Yep. There were some surprises under that fairly decent paint job.

On one hand, you could argue that we would have been better off selling this car and starting with another for this build because the car really did look nice enough to sell for a pretty penny. While we thought about that, my son Dan and I have played around with this particular car since he was in high school so it has considerable sentimental value to us.

On the other hand, we have no complaints because the car looked great and served us well all these years. Besides, I would have felt terrible if someone had payed me that pretty penny and then found the secrets it was hiding from us all.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.10.12_04.JPG


Actually, to be honest, we were anxious to have the rear quarters replaced even if NO rust was found.

Our reasoning was that someone had previously installed partial quarters. While there is nothing inherently wrong with partial quarters, we want this car built true and square from the ground up, starting with new full quarters installed while the tub is mounted on a jig. Anything less just wouldn't seem right for a build of this magnitude and caliber.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.14.12_01.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.14.12_30.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.14.12_29.JPG


We knew about the dash being wasted as we could see evidence at the base of the windshield. The black tarish material someone used to mask the rust makes it look even worse in the pics. :

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.15.12_29.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.14.12_43.JPG


A couple of spots in the floors were a surprise but they look to be easily fixable. V8TV's repairs to spots like these are virtually invisible when done because they only use butt welds and finish both sides so you can not tell they were ever there.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.15.12_52.JPG


The holes at the top of the A pillars were a surprise:

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.15.12_35.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.10.12_07.JPG

The inner cowls will need repairs due to the rust above inviting water to congregate within them:

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.10.12_08.JPG

Sorry to say the rust we found so far is not all that surprising for a car that has lived it's whole life in the Chicago and St. Louis areas.

The car is at the media blaster right now. I can't tell you how anxious I am to get the final verdicts upon it's return.

To me, that day will represent the "bottom" of the build. From there on, the car and the project will just get better and better, both physically and emotionally.

If you look through the galleries of V8TV's previous projects you will see they have repeatedly saved numerous cars in much worse shape than this one.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Youch, I can't believe that's the same car from page one. But you are right. I have seen and fixed worst.

Fingers crossed for a good base coming back from media blasters.

[Ron in SoCal]

Not sure I follow the logic of ripping out well replaced partial quarters but not redoing a full floor on a build of this caliber and magnitude?

All respect, just trying to follow along :cheers:

EDIT: :lightbulb: maybe a good coating in the understructure?

[V8TV]

We should have the body back from the blaster in a couple days. This clown has told us it would be ready by now, only to push the date back several times... not happy about that, but I think he's actually close this time.

We suspected some rust issues on this car, and honestly, I think Lou has the best outlook one could have in this situation. On one hand, you don't like to see it the shoddy repairs, but it is worse to pass it along to someone else. He also has a great point how their "first life" with the car was fun, and now our crew will have the opportunity to right the wrongs of time and make the body worthy of the mechanical features of the car. It can be a wrenching ride, but the results are always worth it. Our plan remains the same, to repair the shell using as much of the original sheet metal as we can... trying to keep the "soul" of the car intact in some form.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Not sure I follow the logic of ripping out well replaced partial quarters but not redoing a full floor on a build of this caliber and magnitude?

All respect, just trying to follow along :cheers:

EDIT: :lightbulb: maybe a good coating in the understructure?

Due to keeping the structure from falling into itself, it might be a good idea to do the floors after the quarters, tubs, dash, filler panel and roof.

[V8TV]

We'll be doing all the sheet metal replacement with the body braced on our jig to make sure it goes together squarely and the panel fit is correct. The rotisserie is great for gaining access for scraping and blasting, but to your point, things can get outta whack if you're not careful!

[nkopper]

Never fun to run across unexpected rust, but I've seen a lot worse. You're in good hands with Kevin and his crew. The did an awesome job on the quarters and minitubs on my Camaro.:thumbsup:

Nathan

[DOOM]

Lou don't feel bad. You made the right choice in keeping the car I got caught up in the whole sentimental thing myself.I said it before and I'll say it again your in great hands with Kevin and his crew!! Me on the other hand thats another story..:D

[V8TV]

That's a Deusey Mario! Whew!

And thanks for the kind words Nathan and Mario! :cheers:

[Grnova]

Ok just got my resevior in and I need to know what the trick is to getting this resevior onto the pump?




For the steering pump, we bought a reservoir that has an extra return line port in it from Jones. We need an extra return line port because we are going to install a Hydratech brake booster.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.21.12_12.JPG

That reservoir works best with the Corvette power steering pump so they made some slight modifications to the Corvette style pump to mount it in the LSA mounts.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.21.12_14.JPG

The result….What we think is the World’s first LSA with ZL-1 accessory locations installed in a Detroit Speed Subframe….. TA DAAH!!

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.30.12i_17.JPG

Frankly, the V8TV crew makes this stuff look easy. Can you tell I’m a happy customer?[/QUOTE]

[Lous69]

Tim,
I was at V8TV today checking up on my car now that it is back from the media blaster.

My list of questions to ask them included details of what they did to mount the Jones reservoir to the Corvette steering pump so I could post them here in response to your question.
I learned that Kevin already called you yesterday to give you the information first hand.

Now that's what I call customer service!.. or whatever you call the kind of support we enjoy from forums like this one.

For others who may have the same question in the future, Kevin said he plans to post the details here too.

[frankv11]

I like what you guys done with Ac compressor that's what I have in mind but can't bring my self to cut dse sub thats all ready powder coated. I also want to keep both on stock placement. I'm looking to modify an ls1 alternator bracket.

That is going to be a hell of car, great build!

[Lous69]

Well, the car finally made it back from the media blaster. I got pretty nervous waiting for it's return. Yesterday I was finally able to go see everything the blasting revealed.

Kelle and Kevin both went over every inch of it with me and explained their game plan to fix it all. I couldn't help but to wonder, how many shop owners these days spend that much time with their customers? I could see one of them doing it but BOTH of them?? I know I'm the customer and all but somehow, I almost felt guilty.

I'm confident that everything will be fixed properly and then some.

Of course we knew several areas like the dash and quarters needed to be replaced. It looks like we will also need some floor pan work and the rear tail was hiding some secrets under bondo.

That rear shelf will obviously need some work because I think finding speakers to fit those particular shapes may be problematic. :)

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.07.12_216.JPG

All the main structural portions including frame rails and rockers are very solid. The trunk floor needs to be replaced along with the rear panel and trunk floor braces. The rear seat area is solid as can be.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.07.12_203.JPG

The dash is toast.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.07.12_192.JPG

Luckily, the dash corrosion did not get into the firewall proper so a new dash kit will take care of all the decay in this area.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.07.12_009.JPG

The corner of this door structure needed some TLC.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.05.12_49.JPG

Those are Nick's talented hands carefully testing the fit of the patch he made for the first tier....

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.06.12_40.JPG

Welding it in...

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.06.12_46.JPG

Ditto for the top tier...

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.06.12_58.JPG

A little clean up and Bingo, no more rust here.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.06.12_61.JPG

Looks like it was kissed in the rear at one point. Another reason I'm glad the major repairs will start by first putting the tub on the jig to assure everything is right when it all goes back together.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.07.12_072.JPG

They walked me through their strategy of being very careful about their sequence of cutting things out and then replacing them to assure critical geometries are not lost and so that panel alignment is no harder than it needs to be.

I like Kevin's philosophy of retaining as much of the car's original metal (soul) as long as it does not compromise final build integrity. I know some people may consider the whole "soul" reference to be a little silly but I like to think of it that way too.

[Lous69]

Some more parts have been coming in. Even though we only plan to see something north of 700HP from our Lingenfelter massaged LSA motor, we're specing all major components from fuel delivery to cooling to be able to handle at least 900 HP. (You never know what the future holds should GM introduce new direct injected versions of the LS engine that we all can't live without...or something like that):unibrow:

Here is our C&R cooling module complete with fans designed to handle up to 1000 HP and drop right in to the first gen. Camaro. It has the oil cooling and steering fluid cooling built in.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.28.12_03.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.28.12_12.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.28.12_15.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.28.12_23.JPG


Here is our GT 500 intercooler module also complete with fans.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.22.12_06.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.22.12_09.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.22.12_10.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_08.22.12_12.JPG


We decided on this Holley oil pan to gain some needed ground clearance.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/largeOilPanComparison.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/OilPan_dimensions.jpg

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.04.12_16.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.04.12_06.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.04.12_02.JPG

[CarlC]

Is the radiator meant to hang from the top of the radiator support using the bracket shown, or does a lower support bracket need to be made? 1st-gen radiators mount with a side flange to the radiator support vs. the later (bettter) cradle design.

[Sonar Chief]

[QUOTE=Lous69;435517]Well, the car finally made it back from the media blaster. I got pretty nervous waiting for it's return. Yesterday I was finally able to go see everything the blasting revealed.

Kelle and Kevin both went over every inch of it with me and explained their game plan to fix it all.

Luckily, the dash corrosion did not get into the firewall proper so a new dash kit will take care of all the decay in this area.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.07.12_009.JPG



Hey Lou .... you can definitely see 98% of the car after blasting, it's the other 2% you can't see that you should be worried about. Like this cowl to firewall junction ... see the pits were the rust has eaten away the cowl?
I would be skeptical of the firewall junction right below the rust where the seam sealer holds rust.:(

Just saying ...

[clill]

I'm thinkin by the time that becomes a issue Lou will be in a care home drooling...

[Lous69]

I've been drooling ever since you gave me a ride in Jackass...

[Unit2]

Hi Lou, I just got done working on this brushed stainless plate with the LSA logo and I designed a swirl to represent the supercharger. This plate is laser etched and i am looking to see if anyone would be interested in buying something like this. I am looking for 100 people or at least 50 to get a production run of parts with the logo. Thought you might like to check it out. They are 25 dollar plus shipping. Let me know if you are interested. Your build is looking good. :thumbsup:

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q486/Speedshape/8a7f15e0.jpg

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q486/Speedshape/56a4c2b0.jpg

[V8TV]

Here's the latest video on Lou's Change, covering some of the engine install challenges...

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[Lous69]

While we wait for all the new steel to arrive the V8TV crew has been working on things like installing the Detroit Speed QUADRALink brackets to our Currie 9 inch rear axle housing.
http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/041701-001-pp.jpg
John started by first building a clever welding fixture to make this job and future ones like it easier.

Instead of temporarily welding the housing to a table he made a fixture that allows the axle to be supported anywhere along its length and that allows the axle to be rotated making angle adjustments and full perimeter welding easier.
http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.26.12_040.JPG

The DSE brackets come like the one in this picture. When being installed on a housing that already has the axle tube ends welded on (like ours does), the brackets have to first be cut since they can not be slid on from the ends.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.26.12_053.JPG


In this pic you can see how John tacked some of the cut brackets on in their appropriate places assuring the right pinion angle recommended by DSE.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.26.12_074.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.26.12_078.JPG


Next he welded the rest of the bracket rings on.

Look at John's welds.

Like the rest of the V8TV crew, he is a true craftsman.

Perfect.


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.26.12_087.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.26.12_109.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.27.12_032.JPG


Currie welds their logo onto their housing but it is too wide to place anywhere between the DSE brackets. John removed it and then after the brackets were all in place he welded it back on as shown.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.27.12_047.JPG


All done except for the addition of some tow hooks, epoxy primer and paint.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.27.12_052.JPG

Can't wait for the sheet metal to arrive!!!

[DOOM]

Great to see the progress Lou!

[Royalworks]

That's the first thing I noticed, looks very out of place. I would route those hoses completely differently, it would drive me nuts that way.

On Hells T/A that I built I ran the hoses at a 90 to the passenger side under the cover to hard lines. Kept them away from the front of the engine. Looks nicer

[waynieZ]

It looks nice, Awesome welds.

[67XR7]

awesome build! thanks for all the detailed pics throughout the whole process!

[cencalc6]

I agree,You guys are doing an excellent job,like the detailed pics :thumbsup:

[Lous69]

I went to V8TV to see the progress on Lou's Change today. While I was there, Kevin asked me if I would like to go along on a shake down run of the car they are taking to SEMA this year.

The car is called S71. It's a 1971 Cutlass S. It is beautiful. The quality of the build is excellent. The color really pops in the sun. At first glance, it looks like a really nicely restored car with a stockish interior and nice wheels. Closer inspection starts to realize goodies like big brake rotors and other tell tale signs of serious performance. Raisng the hood reveals a huge 75mm turbocharger and a humonguloid intercooler hidden behind the grill.

Out of respect for all the things I know Kevin is trying to get done before he leaves for SEMA, I was reluctant to accept his offer to go along but with a little coaxing from Kevin and Trevor I let the voice inside me that was saying HECK YES!! prevail. Boy am I glad I did. That car is simply amazing.

We idled away and down the road waiting for things to properly warm up. The car drives and rides like any perfectly restored 71 Cutlass S. No squeeks, no rattles, not too loud and not too quiet. You could ride in this car all day no problem. Hearing each other talk was easy even with the windows down.

Eventually we got to a rarely used country road that Kevin uses for his shake down runs. All the gauges were saying everything was ready for lift off and up to operating temperature.

He told me that around the next bend there would be a long straight stretch and he would show me how the car accelerates.......

Oh My Gosh!!

That car is Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde!

When he first put his foot in it the car started to accelerate as you would expect but then the "expected" acceleration turned into unbelievable acceleration.

I don't know how to explain it exactly. I have a C6Z06 that accelerates with authority but this thing is very different. I would have to say the acceleration is more exponential than linear.

First you feel your back pushed against the seat. Then you can feel the seat being progressively compressed more and more as it just keeps pulling harder and harder. Things in your peripheal vision speed up and you get a kind of tunnel vision as they become more of a blur.

The long straight away was soon behind us and when Kevin lifted his foot the wastegate dumped its load making a very cool noise that sounded like surface to air missles launching.

Two words describe it: IN SANE! :bow:

I can't imagine how cool it is going to be for the owner of that car to literally blow someone in the weeds and when the job is done the wastegate will telegraph that "I'm done embarrasing you now" signal.

I now better understand why you Turbo fans are so into them.

Very Very Cool.

Here's a couple pics of that bad boy. For those of you lucky enough to be going to SEMA, I think it will be parked outside at the MagnaFlow display.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/S71_V8TV_CardFs_zps3c28b6b6.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/S71_V8TV_CardBs_zps08be4449.jpg

[Lous69]

Getting back to Lou's Change, I'm happy to report we've officially turned the corner and the body shell is now "coming back" vs. being disassembled and cut up.

I know I've said it before but I really appreciate the fact that V8TV does all this work with the shell welded to their jig so things will all be nice and square when its done.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3323_zpsf0c7b754.jpg

Nick removed the inner and outer dash along with the upper firewall for replacement.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.21.12_55.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.21.12_57.JPG

The lower firewall flange was still in good condition.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.21.12_61.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_09.24.12_04.JPG

New dash and upper fire wall installed. A little more dolly work will make it all better than new.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3326_zps09a71bc0.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3327_zpscb8832d7.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3328_zpsb4118d4c.jpg


The floors have also been repaired and look good. The trans tunnel mods are already done in order to clear the Magnum T56.

Since the repairs in the floor are all butt welds, a little more weld clean up and dolly work will make the repairs virtually undetectable.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3324_zps99a5c1fa.jpg

[waynieZ]

Looking good Lou.

[syborg tt]

Not sure how i missed this thread - Great looking project and it couldn't be in better hands.

[Lous69]

Awesome project. I love the gauges also. Let me know how the mock 2012 camaro wheels work.

The 2012 Camaro base steel wheels with stock tires have worked fine to clear the DSE spindles Wilwood brakes during mock up so far but once the front sheetmetal goes back on they will be too big to fit in the fender wells. We will need to find lower profile tires or something else once the front fenders go back on.

[tmadden]

Looks great guys

[Lous69]

The metal work continues. It's getting exciting to see the car come back and starting to resemble a Camaro again..

Nick has been busy. After he installed the new dash, cowls and floor repairs he moved to the rear of the car.

The trunk floor, both quarters, minitubs and rear tail panel all need to be replaced. As the work unfolded it became more than obvious that he was thinking many steps ahead when he braced things specifically the way he did. The braces held everything in alignment without getting in his way any more than necessary. I'm sure that's a function of how many of these they have done in the past but it was impressive to see their rhyme and reason reveal itself as the job progressed.

As usual, the V8TV crew takes lots of pictures and video along the way. Here are some pics that show their attention to detail and hopefully offer some guidance to others who decide to take the job on themselves.

First he drilled out the original factory spot welds and removed the trunk floor.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.19.12_22.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.19.12_18.JPG

Of course the body jig is critical to help keep things in alignment but Nick also recorded lots and lots of reference measurements from the old sheetmetal before he removed it.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.19.12_24.JPG


The rear deck drip rail, the frame rails and some of the inner rear tail panel are about all that will be reused from the rear of the car. The rest will be replaced with new metal we ordered from Classic Industries.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.19.12_28.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.19.12_33.JPG

The inner rear tail panel had a rust spot in it at the rear of the driver side frame rail. Nick cut the bad spot out, fabricated a patch and installed it before replacing the trunk floor.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.19.12_44.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.19.12_62.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.20.12_026.JPG


I appreciate the way Nick always takes the time to put weldable primer everywhere he can.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.20.12_071.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.26.12_05.JPG

The new trunk floor was trial fitted into the car.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.20.12_004.JPG

The original spotweld hole locations in the frame rails were marked on the bottom of the trunk floor while it was test fitted in the car.

The trunk floor was then removed and Nick drilled holes where he wanted to plug weld the floor to the frame rails.

When finished, his plug welds will resemble the original factory spot welds.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.20.12_057.JPG


Similar preparation was done for the reinstallion of the trunk floor to rear tail pan braces.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.20.12_040.JPG


Trunk floor back in for welding this time. You simply can't have too many clamps when doing this kind of job, neither in quantity nor type of clamps.
Notice how Nick took the time to use wood shims so his clamps wouldn't mar the trunk floor.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.20.12_081.JPG


Floor trunk in. Coming next, the DSE minitubs and quarters...

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.20.12_094.JPG

[214Chevy]

You are going at it hard it seems. Thanks for lots of pics. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[DOOM]

Keep em coming Lou! Lookin good!:cheers:

[Lous69]

UP next, installation of the DSE minitubs and outer wheel houses.

First Nick used tape to mark the areas that needed to be cut out of the stock floor and frame rails for the DSE minitubs.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.20.12_096.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.21.12_04.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.21.12_10.JPG

You can see here that to clear the minitubs, the frame rail needs to be notched as shown on both sides. That "window" in the frame gets reinforced and welded closed before the mini tub goes in.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.21.12_07.JPG


A little trial fitting of the minitub confirms that the layout for cutting was on the money.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.21.12_15.JPG

Next he cut out some material to reinforce and close off the frame rails where they were notched to clear the mini tubs.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.26.12_36.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.26.12_49.JPG


This area also needed to be reinforced and closed back up so Nick made a piece to fill it all in nice.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.26.12_54.JPG


Nick drilled holes to allow plug welding the patch to the sheet metal flange behind it.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.26.12_55.JPG


Lots of trial fitting both in and out of the car.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.26.12_12.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.21.12_34.JPG


During mock up and fitment the parts were marked so holes could be punched for plug welding in the appropriate areas. Not sure, but I'm suspicious the smiley face may have been compliments of Kelle.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.27.12_29.JPG


Starting to look like wheel wells again..

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.27.12_27.JPG


Next the wheel well brackets all needed to be massaged and welded back in to the body reinforcement.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.28.12_04.JPG


Nick decided to make his own brackets that tie the minitub structure to the seat back frame on each side.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_11.28.12_35.JPG

Next up, the quarters and fitment of the rear tail pan....

[waynieZ]

It looks great, coming together nice.

[214Chevy]

Some major work going on here. :yes: It's starting to come back together nicely. Keep up the good work! :thumbsup:

[Lous69]

When I first saw the new body panels clamped to the car it made me nervous.

I guess you could say the body lines and gaps were in the same zip code from part to part but it was more than obvious a lot of massaging would be needed to get everything better than new.

Kevin and the rest of the gang at V8TV didn't seem at all surprised that the trunk lid did not match the tail panel which also did not match the quarters very well.

They first reminded me that in 1969 cars varied from each other when they left the factory plus over 40 years of use and abuse leads to a lot more variations in any one car.

They assured me they have seen worse and that they knew how to cure all the issues we were looking at.

Of course the goal of this build is to make everything fit even better than when the car originally left the factory.

Look at the "new parts just clamped together" body line mismatches between the deck lid, tail panel and quarters...

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_0561_zpsc540f8d8.jpeg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_0950_zps38f5d182.jpeg

Here are just some of the tricks Nick and Nathan had up their sleeves..

First the desired deck lid gap behind the rear window was set. (Those miserable corner gaps will be fixed later by reshaping the deck lid corners).

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.03.12_44.JPG

The quarters were clamped on while paying close attention to the door gaps. (The door gaps will be further improved later too).

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.03.12_35.JPG

They decided it would be worth transplanting the rear drip rail from the original tail panel to the new tail panel in order to get the best results. Here it is tacked in place after numerous trial fits.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.05.12_03.JPG

Since we wanted a tighter than new gap between the deck lid and the tail panel across the back of the car, the corresponding height of each quarter panel had to be adjusted.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.05.12_23.JPG


To do that, each side was measured and marked where the new folds needed to be in order the effectively "lower" the quarter panels to the height of the deck lid.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.05.12_36.JPG

A little cutting and notching was then done to allow reshaping things as needed to achieve the proper gap between the quarters and the tail panel.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.05.12_34.JPG

To make the body lines and gaps between the tail panel and the quarters match up better required similar marking, notching and reshaping was needed.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.06.12_12.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.06.12_10.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.06.12_20.JPG

It all started coming together better and better..

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.06.12_22.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.06.12_24.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.06.12_29.JPG


Now that things were looking good the tail panel could be prepared for final welding in place.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.11.12_21.JPG

After a little more detail work, the quarters will be removed once again, prepared for final welding and then reinstalled permanently.

[Ketzer]

Amazing to watch but I don't think you are supposed to be giving away all those "secrets".... :_paranoid



Jeff-

[Lous69]

We'll have to see if Kevin reels me in for showing some of their "secrets" but generally, V8TV's whole philosophy is to show people how things work in the real world so they can either better do the job themselves or at least know what to expect in work they have done by others.

For me, it's one thing see their secrets but quite another to be able to replicate them. It takes serious skill and experience like Trevor, Nick and Nathan's to actually execute.

Glad you are enjoying the tread!!

[Jgpclone]

looking good :hail:

[cencalc6]

Nice Job on the Tailpanel,coming out very nice :cheers:

[Sonar Chief]

The car is coming together nicely.... especially like the close up shots of the right way to fix things. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I will be adding quarters this summer so it's nice to see how it's done.

Thanks!

[waynieZ]

Very nicely done, I wish my tail panel fit that good.:thumbsup:

[V8TV]

Thanks for the kinds words, and thank you Lou for continuing to post the story and the pics, your doing a great job!

We're not concerned with divulging any "secrets", like he said, we just want people to see what goes into these kinds of projects so they know what to expect on their own, or aren't blindsided if a shop tells them that their parts didn't fit perfectly straight out of the box.

We've been working on the cage and some additional sheet metal work, and I'm sure Lou's updates will continue to do a great job telling the story. We've also got more videos coming soon!

[DOOM]

Lou I thought you posted up pictures of my car !! Its almost exactly how my panels lined up... WOW!

[Rick D]

Hey Mario why are you posting pictures of my qtr panel and trunk lid??? :D :lol: I think we all have pictures like these??

[KPC67]

Hey Mario why are you posting pictures of my qtr panel and trunk lid??? :D :lol: I think we all have pictures like these??
X2
Looks like they are on the right track to making it right.:thumbsup:

[Lous69]

Charlie and other icons in this hobby/sport are proof that people don't have to let success go to their head.

Similarly, at Sema the last two years, Mark Stielow appeared to be more than happy to spend more than 15 minutes answering all my newbie questions about Red Devil and Mayhem.

No wonder those guys are good buddies. Birds of a feather.

[clill]

Lou I'm not any kind of Icon. I'm just a idiot that has cars and no money. My build standards have far surpassed my build abilities so I manage to talk Stielow out of his junk.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Lou I'm not any kind of Icon. I'm just a idiot that has cars and no money. My build standards have far surpassed my build abilities so I manage to talk Stielow out of his junk.

:lol:


Definitely in the top 10 for lat-g post of the year... :unibrow:

[waynieZ]

The axle housing looks great. V8TV does some nice work.

[V8TV]

The 9" vs. Dana vs. 12 Bolt parasitic loss comparison is more legit for a race car seeking to optimize every system on the car. Car Craft did a Dana 60 (Strange version) vs. 12 bolt vs. 9" and found them all to be very close.

http://image.carcraft.com/f/techarticles/11202831++w750+ar1/ccrp_0806_20_z+chevy_chevelle_rear_axle_swap+power _comparison_chart.jpg


The flexibility of available gear ratios, strength, and housings makes the 9" a good choice for this project.

[Lous69]

In my opinion, any power loss by virtue of using a Ford 9" vs. a 12 bolt will not likely be noticed while I am driving the car.

I'm not afraid to admit that I simply do not have the driving skills it would require to actually miss that little bit of difference.

Frankly, I am more interested in minimizing the chance of failure due to extra stresses my less than perfect driving skills can impose on the system.

In addition, the original factory 12 bolt went to a very appreciative new owner who was looking far exactly that piece. It wouldn't have been right modifying that unit.

While we're on the topic, here are some pics taken during assembly of the rear end.

We ordered the 370 ratio, nodular iron, 9+ unit from Currie.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.06.12_50.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.06.12_48.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.06.12_55.JPG


Of course the 3rd member was shipped with the set up grease still in place so we could observe the contact pattern. Kevin and Trevor have set up quite a few of these. The pattern looked good to their experienced eyes.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.06.12_47.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.06.12_65.JPG


After carefully preparing his work area to prevent contamination and scratches, Trevor began the assembly process.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.11.12_01.JPG


This shot shows the relocation of the Currie emblem and one of the tow strap attachment points V8TV added for convenience.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.11.12_04.JPG


http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.11.12_10.JPG


Currie axles and Wilwood emergency brakes installed:

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.11.12_24.JPG

Finally, the Wilwood "floating" rear calipers were installed.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.11.12_41.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_12.11.12_35.JPG

Can't wait to heat those up a bit...

[Lous69]

During the Holidays my son Dan was in town.

We we were able to spend some enjoyable time with Kevin and Kelle at
their V8 Speed & Restoration Shop discussing the next steps for the build.

While there, I took a few pics of the latest metal work.

The rear tailpanel and both quarters are permanently aligned and welded in now.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3781_zps6de1fb08.jpg

The DSE "Deep Tubs" and the upper shock crossmember for the "QUADRALink" rear suspension are installed.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3782_zps0a14dd13.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3783_zps9cf60e15.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3785_zps08acba20.jpg

As a customer, I like the piece of mind that comes with seeing how the V8 Speed and Restoration crew puts the same level of care and detail into all their welds, even those few people will ever see ..like these.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3797_zps3e695725.jpg

The DSE subframe connectors are welded in.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3795_zps8e8ee2aa.jpg

Work has begun on the roll cage. We are using a Chassisworks unit made specifically for first generation Camaros but it is being modified by V8 to achieve the tightest fit to the body shell possible.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3788_zps7aa713d3.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3789_zpsa4f89bec.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3793_zps9fe6b34b.jpg

Besides tucking it close to the shell, modifications to the roll cage included bending the uprights so they more closely follow the lines of the door and the seam between the front and rear windows. Doing so will make the cage less conspicuous as viewed from outside the car.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3790_zpsf672c298.jpg

As a result of leaning the cross bar back a little, the top side tubes had to then be extended by first sleeving them inside and then recoping the extensions to the rear top cross bar.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3791_zps6273d0c0.jpg

The front header bar was placed as far forward as possible for maximum head room. Of course this will require a clever mounting strategy for sun visors as the original mounting method will not work with this bar in this location. We have some ideas for that we'll show later, if they work as planned.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3792_zps74038a08.jpg

[waynieZ]

That fits nice and tight. It looks good.

[Ron in SoCal]

That fits nice and tight. It looks good.

x2! Thanks for the write up Lou. I saw the cage at SEMA and for prefab it looks really good. Your mods make it top notch :thumbsup:

[EvoIX]

That rear setup looks nice.
What's with the Wilwood calipers ? I count six but it is clearly marked 4 piston?

Great build thread. Learned alot.

[Lous69]

That rear setup looks nice.
What's with the Wilwood calipers ? I count six but it is clearly marked 4 piston?

Great build thread. Learned alot.

Good question.

The shape of the rear calipers certainly suggests there would be 6 pistons inside but there are actually only four. Here are some pics of the front and rear calipers before installation that show what is really inside of each.

The front, 6 piston calipers:

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.17.12_073.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.17.12_076.JPG

The rear, 4 piston calipers:

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.17.12_095.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.17.12_098.JPG

Glad the thread is helping you just as other threads are helping us!

[jlwdvm]

What is installing the headliner going to be like with the cage tucked up nice and tight?

[V8TV]

What is installing the headliner going to be like with the cage tucked up nice and tight?

It's going to be a little tricky, but it's nothing that our interior guy can't handle. We're not putting the cage tubes butted against the roof or anything like that. I think the bigger challenge will be for the painter to get good coverage on the cage.

[Ron in SoCal]

It's going to be a little tricky, but it's nothing that our interior guy can't handle. We're not putting the cage tubes butted against the roof or anything like that. I think the bigger challenge will be for the painter to get good coverage on the cage.

Kev...how do you weld the crossbar on top where it is clsoe to the roof? With great difficulty, I'd imagine...:yes:

[V8TV]

Kev...how do you weld the crossbar on top where it is clsoe to the roof? With great difficulty, I'd imagine...:yes:

Yeah, and a flexible TIG torch, short tungstens, and small hands!

[V8TV]

Here's the 2 videos covering the install of the T-56 Magnum 6-speed manual we installed in "Lou's Change". We needed to cut the floor in our Camaro, but we're told some stock subframe cars might not need the trans tunnel mods. We're also hearing of transmissions with certain ribs ground off to gain clearance. In our case, the tunnel mods were the best option.


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[Lous69]

I thought I might share some of the modifications that we made to the roll cage rear drops and explain the reasoning behind those changes.

First, lets look at the stock first gen rear suspension. The blue arrows indicate the load path points between the rear axle and the body.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/stockrearendsketch508_zpsdb424bc7.jpg

Since we installed the Detroit Speed QUADRA Link rear suspension and mini tubs the load path between the rear axle and the body changed. The rear most location of that load path is now at the coil overs as shown in this sketch.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Dserear_zps6e5bbc25.jpg

In order to shorten the load path from the rear axle to the roll cage we decided to modify the rear drops of the cage as shown in this sketch.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/rollbarmods507_zps77b249b4.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/rollcageasmodifiedsketch_zps89cd15f1.jpg

Here's what that modification looks like in real life.

Some high horsepower first gens. have been known to develop stress cracks in the rear quarters. While welded in frame connectors have a reputation of reducing the risk of stress cracks, we feel this modification might further reduce the chances of that happening.
Short of doing a full blown finite element analysis of the entire system its hard to know for sure.

Some might argue the weight of the fuel tank is less supported with these modifications. Most design decisions are trade off decisions. In the end, the fact that these mods will clean up the trunk so nice won out. Our reasoning included reminding ourselves that the factory structure was designed to handle the weight of the fuel tank without any assistance from a roll cage structure.

To further clean up the trunk area we plan to mount the battery on top of the rear shock cross member. We will also mount our two II Much Fabrication vents, one for the gas tank and one for the rear axle, on top of the cross member.

The V8TV crew re manufactured the rear drop bars so they closely followed the rear window opening. The goal on the whole cage install was to make it show up as little as possible as viewed from outside the car.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3934_zps23b38c36.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3926_zps1162d503.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3931_zps502028be.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3953_zps5926ad89.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3937_zps0e9a6aa3.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3932_zps1e07bd75.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3933_zps40638c69.jpg

[syborg tt]

Hi Guys

Okay drag racers have been doing this modifications for years. Here is an example in a heavily modified 2011 Nickey Camaro.

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38325

38326

It's going to be a little tricky, but it's nothing that our interior guy can't handle. We're not putting the cage tubes butted against the roof or anything like that. I think the bigger challenge will be for the painter to get good coverage on the cage.

I bet he still calls you a few names while he is installing the headliner.

Car is looking awesome

[Lous69]

Recent work at V8TV has included mocking up the radiator, A/C condensor and intercooler along with the custom hood latch assy. to free up the room needed behind the grill for all those cooling devices.

The parts being used include:

2nd Gen radiator module from C&R that includes two fans
Vintage air A/C condensor
Shelby 500 Intercooler with its own two fans.
Volkswagen "THING" Hood latch

It's all still a work in process but the fabrication of the various needed brackets is coming along. We'll post some more pics when the parts are further cleaned up and painted.

We went with C&R's 2nd Gen. F body module instead of their drop in place 1st Gen. module simply because it has more total cooling area.

Once the location of the radiator relative to the core support was determined
a bottom support bracket for the radiator was fabricated. The yellow tape on the core support denotes where the window in the core support was enlarged to allow airflow to the whole radiator core.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_01.15.13_01.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_01.15.13_02.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_01.15.13_03.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_01.21.13_16.JPG

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3952_zps55a43ccf.jpg

The hood latch assembly was mocked up, bracketry made and then mounted.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_01.19.13_07.JPG
http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_01.19.13_09.JPG
http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_01.19.13_16.JPG

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/hoodlatchmockup3_zpsabbc948a.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/hoodlatchmockup2_zps7ecde247.jpg

So.... it's starting to come together. Combination shroud / mounting brackets are now in place.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3949_zps22c4098b.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3948_zps79844c78.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_3947_zpsd9fdc81c.jpg

Since we have so many fans, we want to use Pulse Width Modulation (PWM) fan control of the radiator fans instead of On/Off control.

We don't want the car to sound like a vacuum cleaner unless it's really hot and we need all fans full on.

There are numerous ways to setup PWM control of the fans.

In order to figure out the best way for this application, I started a thread in the engines section of this forum.

There is a lot of really good information and tips brewing over there in that thread.

Here is a link to it: http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=40215

[GeoffP]

Whoa - HUGE picture alert!

Very cool build - I've been lurking on this one since the beginning and had to post a comment on the roll cage. It's good to see someone thinking through their mods with purpose behind them and not just do something to "be different." Great work on the build so far!

[Lous69]

Whoa - HUGE picture alert!

Very cool build - I've been lurking on this one since the beginning and had to post a comment on the roll cage. It's good to see someone thinking through their mods with purpose behind them and not just do something to "be different." Great work on the build so far!

Sorry for the pic size in last post. I will find out why that happened and fix it.

In the meantime, Thank you and others for your compliments on our build.

To be honest, most of the the fabrication ideas come from Kevin and Trevor.

They take the time to listen to their customer and then propose design options they think will yield the happiest owner experience in the long run.

I've been managing new product development engineers for over 25 years and I've been very impressed with their their thoughtful approach, especially from an engineering perspective.

[bonecrrusher]

How much room did you leave between the GT500 intercooler and the radiator?

[Lous69]

How much room did you leave between the GT500 intercooler and the radiator?

Without driving to the shop and measuring, from memory and review of the pics above, I would say nominally about 4 inches or so between the intercooler and the radiator.

The intercooler is the first item in the stack behind the grill. The intercooler fans are "puller" type so they logically reside between the intercooler core and the A/C condensor.

Behind the A/C condensor is the radiator core support. The radiator is mounted to the back side of the core support.

Kevin and Trevor had to juggle a lot of requirements to get everything mounted in an optimized way without violating any constraints.

For instance, they had to leave enough room for the one off, custom grill assembly my son Dan designed.

They had to completely redesign the factory hood latch assembly and bracketry (using builds like JackAss, Red Devil, etc. for clues)

We will be using a stock looking front spoiler that also deflects air up into the heat exchangers.

We will also be using custom, one off hood louvers to further enhance air flow through the heat exchangers.

If you look closely, you will notice that the V8TV team strives to minimize weight while providing function (as evidenced by the holes in the radiator support shelf for instance).

As the owner of the car and one who likes to tinker, I also appreciate how they plan the design of everything they fabricate down to the fastener level so I will be able to take things apart and put them back together without having 3 hands. Whenever possible, they design brackets with captured nuts and/or threads so installation and removal of parts is typically a one sided operation with a logical sequence.

[bonecrrusher]

Thanks for the info - yeah I can see a lot of planning would have to go into that small package.

I was kind of thinking of getting that gt500 fan setup and install when I get around to buying/installing the Edelbrock blower kit for my LSx motor in the Vette.

[RussMurco]

The front, 6 piston calipers

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.17.12_076.JPG

The rear, 4 piston calipers:

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_07.17.12_098.JPG

Whoa! Glad I saw this, I had no idea that the Wilwoods had no dust-boots on the calipers!

[Lous69]

I know Wilwood offers a line of brakes that do have dust boots.

I'm no brake expert but I think you might find that the highest performance product offerings from several brake companies utilize seals vs. dust boots. I'm sure they have good reasons for doing so.

Of course, each person needs to select the parts that best meet their specific needs and purpose. No one design is necessarily better than the other until the use of the product is considered.

OEM applications typically use dust boots so I would guess the reasons you want dust seals mirrors what the majority of people desire for their applications.

[RussMurco]

I know Wilwood offers a line of brakes that do have dust boots.

I'm no brake expert but I think you might find that the highest performance product offerings from several brake companies utilize seals vs. dust boots. I'm sure they have good reasons for doing so.

Of course, each person needs to select the parts that best meet their specific needs and purpose. No one design is necessarily better than the other until the use of the product is considered.

OEM applications typically use dust boots so I would guess the reasons you want dust seals mirrors what the majority of people desire for their applications.

I couldn't agree more! My Firebird won't be hounding the Stielows, Pozzis, or Tuckers on autocross tracks and will spend 99.5% of it's life on regular roads where I plan to drive in all sorts of traffic and weather conditions. That means lots of dirt, dust, moisture, and brake dust so these wouldn't be a good choice for my build. Your car is way beyond anything I'm building, and I love it!

[parsonsj]

I'm no brake expert but I think you might find that the highest performance product offerings from several brake companies utilize seals vs. dust boots. I'm sure they have good reasons for doing so.Wilwood uses stainless steel pistons so that dust boots aren't needed. The reason for that is that dust boots will melt at high temperatures, including the temps that occur during a typical HPDE. The Brembos on my Z06 don't have dust boots either, and for the same reason.

[Rickerbucks]

Why do so many folks go with Wildwood versus a Brembo system? Used Brembo four piston systems of a Camaro, CTS-V, Challenger etc are fairly plentiful to find on ebay.

What about C5 or c6 corvette brakes.

I must confess I REALLY like the look and size of the new CTSV brakes.

Just curious

[Matt@BOS]

Why do so many folks go with Wildwood versus a Brembo system? Used Brembo four piston systems of a Camaro, CTS-V, Challenger etc are fairly plentiful to find on ebay.

What about C5 or c6 corvette brakes.

I must confess I REALLY like the look and size of the new CTSV brakes.

Just curious

The Camaro and CTS-V brakes don't bolt directly onto the C6 spindles that are used on a wide variety of aftermarket subframes.

Wilwood has kits for a ton of applications and seem to provide good value for their price.

For those worried about the dust seal debate, I don't think it as big an issue as some make it out to be. I have 50,000 miles on a set of AP Racing brakes with no issue.

Matt

[RussMurco]

Wilwood uses stainless steel pistons so that dust boots aren't needed. The reason for that is that dust boots will melt at high temperatures, including the temps that occur during a typical HPDE. The Brembos on my Z06 don't have dust boots either, and for the same reason.

I've never seen boots melt on a properly functioning caliper under any circumstances but I have seen them melt on cars that had worn through all of the pad material. The boots are only 1/16-1/8" from the piston seals, if it's too hot for a boot the seal would melt too.

Perhaps I'm too cautious but I'll err on the side of caution when it comes to brakes.

[Lous69]

It’s a good time for an update.

The QUADRALink and brake lines have been installed.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_03.22.13_024.JPG

The DSE subframe, loaded with it's ZL1 spec. LSA crate motor and T56 Magnum was reunited with the car to create a roller again.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_02.20.13_24.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_03.22.13_057.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_03.22.13_101.JPG

The wiring and plumbing is well underway and almost complete.

The goal is to achieve an OEM look without a lot of clutter.

That requires a lot of thoughtful mounting of components and routing of the associated plumbing and wiring.

Fortunately, that is one of Trevor’s specialties at V8TV.

The battery and VaporWorx control module were mounted behind the rear seat.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_03.22.13_007.JPG

The ash tray became home for the fuse panel.

The Dakota Digital VHX gauge modules are mounted in the glove compartment.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_03.22.13_001.JPG

Trevor fabricated a bracket and mounted the Vintage Air dryer to the cowl inside the passenger fender area.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_02.07.13_05.JPG

The Meziere intercooler pump was mounted to the rear passenger side of the core support.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_02.07.13_08.JPG

AC and heater hoses were run inside passenger fender.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_03.22.13_013.JPG

In order to keep overall fan noise down, we decided to employ Pulse Width
Modulation (PWM) control of the radiator fans instead of discreet,
two speed fan controls.

That will allow the fans to only run as fast as needed to keep things cool.

To do so, we are using the same PWM fan control modules used on all C6 Corvettes and reprogramming the E67 Engine Control Module that came with our crate motor so it can drive the PWM fan modules instead of conventional fan relays.

The fan control modules are mounted inside the passenger fender as shown.

The picture only shows one module but there will be another one mounted on the other side of the same bracket.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_03.22.13_017.JPG

The Hydratech brake assist and Wilwood master cylinder mounted as expected.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_03.22.13_118.JPG

As much wiring as possible was run through the driver side fender to keep things sanitary under the hood.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_03.22.13_113.JPG

The engine is set pretty far back.

So much so, the DSE wiper motor will not fit in the stock location so that will be relocated to the cowl area inside the driver fender.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_03.22.13_132.JPG

It's all beginning to look like a serious Pro-Touring machine. It won't be long and it will all be taken apart again…… this time for body and paint.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_03.22.13_125.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/slides/69Camaro_Lou_03.22.13_112.JPG

[Greg from Aus]

Looking great, nice clean job on all the hose and wire routing.

Greg

[syborg tt]

Very Nice. I bet your getting excited

[Jay Hilliard]

Nice job! Car looks great with that LS9. What are your plans for paint or do you plan on wrapping the car?

[Lous69]

Thanks for the compliments.

Yes, it is exciting seeing all the parts coming together.

The car will be painted.

We have some one off design touches coming including a 3D "printed" grill.

It's looking like the stock SS hood is not going to clear the LSA engine cover so we are cooking up a very cool custom hood design that is subtle enough to be timeless but also effective in giving us the needed clearance.

It certainly helps having a son who is an automotive designer and does this sort of thing everyday.

[Jay Hilliard]

Thanks for the compliments.

It's looking like the stock SS hood is not going to clear the LSA engine cover so we are cooking up a very cool custom hood design that is subtle enough to be timeless but also effective in giving us the needed clearance.

It certainly helps having a son who is an automotive designer and does this sort of thing everyday.

You could always raise the area on the SS hood to allow clearance and keep those SS stacks. :D

[V8TV]

The hood is going to be slick. Looking forward to building it!

[frankv11]

Excellent job and moving along pretty quickly

[parsonsj]

I love this car!

Can you elaborate on how you were able to size the charge coolant pump? Does Meziere directly support the LSA? Or did you have to do the engineering?

[Lous69]

I love this car!

Can you elaborate on how you were able to size the charge coolant pump? Does Meziere directly support the LSA? Or did you have to do the engineering?

Thanks for your interest and appreciation John.

Unfortunately, I don't have any fancy engineering calculations to share.

To determine what to use for the intercooler heat exchanger and pump, I scoured the various forums and found pieces of information that "guided" me to our pieces as follows:

This posting gave me an understanding of how the CTS-V intercooling set up compares to other current GM offerings like the ZR1's:

http://caddyinfo.com/wordpress/intercooler-cooling-corvette-zr-1-ls9-cadillac-cts-v-lsa-sts-v-lc3/

This article gave me some idea of how the ZL1 intercooling system and top hat compared to the CTS-V LSA set up: (interesting how they basically used a pump from the Chevy Volt running on increased voltage)

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/ghtp_1205_high_performance_2012_inside_the_580hp_c amaro_zl1/viewall.html

This posting had some data on aftermarket pumps:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233555

Here are the specs of the heat exchanger we ordered: (we actually sourced ours through C&R along with our 2nd Gen. radiator module)

http://www.gettorq.com/store/chevrolet-camaro/camaro-superchargers/camaro-heat-exchanger-fans.html

Here are the specs of the intercooler pump we ordered. I talked to the Meziere rep at Sema and got comfortable that this pump would last a long time based on the fact that it is used as the primary engine coolant pump in other applications.

http://www.gettorq.com/store/chevrolet-camaro/camaro-superchargers/zl1-intercooler-pump-torq.html

Hopes this helps.

P.S. You will be happy to know we are going to be drilling a hole back by our battery to install a II Much Fabrication fuel tank vent!

[Lous69]

We have decided that in order to gain some more clearance between the engine and the hood we are going to make a custom cowl hood that actually accepts the same carbon fiber insert that is used on the modern ZL1.

We expect this route will also help keep things substantially cooler under the hood as well.

His new rendering shows the same custom grille he designed but uses the cowl and carbon fiber insert from a modern ZL1.

You'll notice the center hump in the middle of the stock 69 front valence panel looks a little "forced" as it transitions into the cowl.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/LousChangerendering_zpsa191ac33.jpg

To remedy that he softened the hump making it look right without bringing undue attention to what is going on. It should look nice and clean when done.

Since the new ZL1 hood is aluminum, we chose to fabricate a facsimile of the ZL1 cowl out of steel that would except the carbon fiber insert and then be grafted into a steel 69 cowl hood.

Back to the car, the final metal fabrication and gap work is underway. All the mock up, electrical and plumbing work is almost complete too.

The car should soon be going to body and paint!! We're hoping like heck we can drive it this season.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/IMG_4109_zpsa6ff7f3f.jpg


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[Rick D]

Lou, love the new rendering of the hood!! Can't wait see you guys pull it off, love the grill also!:king:

[syborg tt]

Looks really nice and I love the hood. I am not sure if you are away but ASC Composites makes the replica ZL1 Scoop

http://www.acscomposite.com/store/#!/~/product/category=163626&id=15889812

http://images-cdn.ecwid.com/images/87523/71546917.jpg

[Lous69]

Thanks Syborg TT, for the tip on the ACS aftermarket version of the ZL1 hood scoop.

We think we're going to opt for the exposed carbon fiber look of the factory scoop.

Unfortunately, GM is pretty proud of that scoop and is pricing it accordingly.

[syborg tt]

We think we're going to opt for the exposed carbon fiber look of the factory scoop.

There is a guy on Camaro5 that makes a full carbon version at 1/4 the price of GM's

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194371

[214Chevy]

I was thinking of doing something like this on my Chevelle. I'm watching.....:idea:

[eric1967]

This thing is killer. Where are you at in St. Louis? Keep the pics coming. Thanks Eric

[66fury]

Awesome hood choice!

[Lous69]

Adam at V8TV did a terrific job fabricating the hood modifications and the core support cover. He is rather humble and was sure to give a lot of credit to his team mates, including Nathan who also knows how to convince metal to do amazing things.

Here are some pics of his work making templates and building the custom hood:

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Lous%20Change%20Hood%20fabrication/hoodscoopfabrication_zpsd5f7b73c.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Lous%20Change%20Hood%20fabrication/hoodscoopfabrication2_zpse5792dab.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Lous%20Change%20Hood%20fabrication/IMG_4238_zps841fb835.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Lous%20Change%20Hood%20fabrication/IMG_4236_zpsc02ac8d8.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Lous%20Change%20Hood%20fabrication/IMG_4378_zpsfff168f7.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Lous%20Change%20Hood%20fabrication/IMG_4377_zps53957476.jpg


http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Lous%20Change%20Hood%20fabrication/IMG_4408_zpsd2e3dfe2.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Lous%20Change%20Hood%20fabrication/IMG_4409_zps1cfd6114.jpg

And here is the result of his skilled handy work!!!!

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Lous%20Change%20Hood%20fabrication/IMG_8632_zpsb3ebbd3e.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Lous%20Change%20Hood%20fabrication/hoodmods_zpsde126b06.jpg

You will notice that the rib that runs down the center of the valance panel and hood were also removed to make the new hood look like it belongs. We're really happy with the way it turned out.

Next he tackled the core support cover. Here is the rendering he started with:
http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Lous%20Change%20Hood%20fabrication/underhood_design_V2_zps8bc5696b.jpg

A little siphering....

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Lous%20Change%20Hood%20fabrication/hoodlatchcover_zps5d3bc63e.jpeg

And bingo!
http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Lous%20Change%20Hood%20fabrication/radiatorcover2_zpsad137426.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Lous%20Change%20Hood%20fabrication/radiatorcoverfinished_zps6c977e00.jpg

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Lous%20Change%20Hood%20fabrication/IMG_4399_zpsdb214857.jpg

[Rick D]

Looking great Lou!! So how much longer until we see some paint on this bad boy?

[tubbed69]

Lou that works looks great,really like that core support cover and hood

[syborg tt]

I am so envious as Kenny and I were going to do this to my car. We both decided that let's keep my car simple this time around and when we do v2 for 2014 Good Guys I will without a doubt have a hood styled just like this. This is Freaking Awesome and I am so happy you guys were the first to do it.

On top of the hood. You have picked two of my favorite people in the industry and I am certain you are going to love this car.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Lous%20Change%20Hood%20fabrication/IMG_8632_zpsb3ebbd3e.jpg

[V8TV]

The guys in the shop have been doing a fantastic job with Lou's car. The metal work is nearly finished, and the exhaust is being built now. Then it goes to body / paint.

Thanks so much for the kind words, the hood does look awesome, with kudos going to the crew and Dan Steinhauser for the amazing design that blends the two seamlessly. Lou is right, the hood will be a signature element of the car. This one won't need to be a rocket ship to be cool, but it will have performance to back up the good looks!

[214Chevy]

Very nice. Love the look of it.

[Rick D]

That hood is freaking awesome :king: great job Kevin!

[V8TV]

Thanks Rick, but I had very little to do with the hood itself. We have a great crew in the shop, and Adam really worked hard to make this come to life.

[Greg from Aus]

That hood is the best I have seen.

:king:

[WILWAXU]

Yup. Hood looks great!

[Lous69]

These forums have allowed us to speed up so much of our learning that I feel compelled to "give back" in order to help others the same way.

Dave Mikels, (Mikels Performance Engineering) works closely with Brian Thomson (Thomson Automotive Engines) to create serious but dependable Horsepower for the likes of Mark Stielow (Red Devil, Mayhem, Camaro XV).

That is impressive but what I find most admirable is that Dave and Brian have not let their success go to their heads as it relates to responding to customers like me and all our newbie questions.

What I mean by that is I was impressed when I called their business and they answered the phone personally.

They each put a high priority on first learning what I wanted in my application vs. just rattling off what they have to sell off their shelf.

They did not make me feel stupid when I asked them the same questions I know they have answered a thousand times before.

Unfortunately, similar businesses that have enjoyed as much success as Dave and Brian have evolved into a take it or leave it approach with new customers.

Dave and Brian are obvious choices for me. I spend my hard earned money carefully. I'm actually proud to be one of their new customers.

Thanks to Dave's knowledge, we are getting a lot more than just a performance tune matched to select Thomson engine upgrades.

We're also getting seamless integration of PWM fan control, Reverse Lockout without a need for a separate switch and Vintage Air A/C.

In case it helps your own builds, here is the Lou's Change set up and what Dave is doing for us right now:

ENGINE:
We are starting with a brand new LSA crate motor
We swapped out the CTS-V Intercooler top hat with a new ZL1 top hat. (I'm pretty sure that was an idea Brian suggested to me when he talked to me early on in the build. I had no idea they could be swapped out so easily)

ENGINE MODS:
Supercharger Pulley change (2.56:1 to 3:1)
Cam Swap (Thomson Spec.)
Valve springs (Thomson Spec.)
Injectors (Thomson Automotive Spec.)

ENGINE CONTROLLER:
We are using the GM Performance Parts E67 LSA controller that came with our LSA crate engine.

FUEL SYSTEM:
We have the full Vaporworx system installed in our DSE tank complete with the fuel pump and controller they provide (rated for up to 1000 HP).
We will use Dave's advised 450kPa fuel pressure

ENGINE COOLING:
We have a C&R cooling module along with the 2 fans they provided (rated for up to 1000 HP)
We have installed 2 brand new PWM fan control modules like those used in the C6 Corvette.

INTERCOOLING:
We are running a Mazierre 55 GPM intercooler pump
We are using the same intercooler heat exchanger used in the GT500 complete with fans.

AIR CONDITIONING:
We are using the Vintage Air Generation 4 A/C system
We are using a Sandene Compressor
We have installed a GM A/C pressure switch
We are still using the Vintage Air Trinary switch to the control compressor

TRANSMISSION:
Brand new T56 Magnum
We have a Vehicle Speed Sensor installed and connected to the VSS lead that was included in the GMPP engine harness as purchased.

REAR END:
Ford 9 inch with 3.7 gear ratio

HERE IS WHAT Dave is doing for us:

Installing pin out and a labeled wire for the PWM control module.
Installing pin out and a labeled wire for the GM A/C pressure sensor.
Installing pin out and a labeled wire for reverse lock out.

CAL:
Capture original factory Cal

Enable and program PWM fan control:
- PWM vs. Discreet
- 128 Hz PWM frequency
- 204 degrees engine coolant = 10% duty cycle
- 235 degrees engine coolant = 90% duty cycle

Program fan control parameters for “after run”:
- If engine coolant temp. greater than 235 degrees or A/C pressure greater than 260 psi at key off = 50% duty cycle until engine coolant drops below 230 degrees AND A/C pressure drops below 241 psi.
- Otherwise, fans shut off after 2 minutes regardless of temperatures.

Enable Vehicle Speed Sensor control of reverse lock out.

Reprogram table for AC pressure control of fans. In order to use Vintage Air/ Sandene compressor, need to change table as follows:
- Fans all in at 90% duty cycle at 260 psi as measured by GM A/C pressure sensor.

LSA Engine Performance tune per modifications selected
- Supercharger Pulley change (2.56:1 to 3:1)
- Cam Swap
- Valve springs
- Injectors

I'm suspicious Dave and Brian will have some more suggestions before we're done. I'll post what we learn as we go and report back to validate how it all worked.

[Lous69]

Mock up phase is finally complete!!!

The car is now disassembled again and off to body and paint!!!!

I stopped by to see how things look. Both Kevin and Kelle were off on a business trip so Adam was showing me the work he just completed on the firewall.

He created a recessed area in the firewall to provide a little more engine clearance on the passenger side because the DSE frame and motor mounts position the LSA as far back as possible.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Firewall1_zps679596e0.jpg

Trevor had relocated the DSE windshield wiper motor and pump to inside the driver side fender so the original mounting location was filled in.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Firewall3_zpsc66edfad.jpg


As Adam was showing me his latest work he explained that he was now in the process of going over the entire car, inside and out grinding, welding, and massaging all the fabrication and repair areas to make them undetectable.

He mentioned that as he works, Kelle is constantly inspecting, sticking pieces of yellow tape that explain the things she isn't totally satisfied with yet.

He wasn't complaining at all. It was more like boasting about how thorough they are in their work even though it can be very tedious.

He said it typically takes about four rounds to get Kelle's final stamp of approval.

Of course, as the customer, that was music to my ears.

I read some of the notes on the yellow tape and realized they were things I probably would have missed...... and I'm a real stickler for details.

One of her notes really got my attention:

As I said earlier, the new wiper motor mounting location is under the driver side fender where no one will ever see it. Even so, her little note in that area said "make pretty".

It's comforting to know the people building your car are holding themselves accountable to do top quality work, even in areas no one will ever see.

Thanks to Kelle for setting the V8TV quality standard and thanks to the team for meeting it!!!

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Firewall4_zps8b47c1fd.jpg

[syborg tt]

Okay that's funny note

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Firewall4_zps8b47c1fd.jpg

[waynieZ]

Lou the car is coming out great. They do very nice work over there. I love the drive train your using. Sweet ride.

[MX145]

Lou the car is coming out great. They do very nice work over there. I love the drive train your using. Sweet ride.

X2! Very Cool

[Lous69]

Happy Fourth of July everyone!!

The car is officially in body and paint now!!

The paint booth has been loaded up three times with all the miscellaneous parts and those are all painted now.

The bottom of the body tub is next.

Color is not far away!!

As you relax and enjoy your Holiday, here are some of the latest videos of the build for your viewing pleasure. Kind of like one of those cable channel holiday weekend marathons!!:popcorn2:

So glad all the rust is finally behind us now. For all of you still in the middle of rust repair, stay the course. There is light at the other end of the tunnel.

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Here are videos of the mock up for the Detroit Speed QUADRALink and the Wilwood brakes.

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ENJOY!!

[waynieZ]

Its coming a long nice Lou.

[Lous69]

Things are coming along. The bodywork has officially begun.
The engine upgrade parts supplied by Thomson Automotive have been installed by Tony, my favorite, fully certified Chevrolet technician. Tony is the only person I would let work on my Z06 and my daily driver.
He takes great pride in everything he does and he loves his work. In fact, everyone I have talked to at Weber Chevrolet in Waterloo, Ill. treats you like they are glad to see you. I have purchased brand new cars from both Mercedes and Lexus. They have nothing over the customer service and attitude I experience in Weber's service department.

Here's Tony looking proud of his work, like the engine is his baby. (Actually, he and his wife are expecting their first real baby very soon!)

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/July12%20delivery%20of%20motor%20to%20Red%20bud/5b8f61eb-872c-4d74-9f7d-7c6c5b9d2ee1_zps4632941b.jpg

While delivering the engine so they could paint it all up nice too, I snapped a few pictures of Nathan and Zach's handywork preparing the body tub for paint.

When I noticed how they are making sure the rockers are perfect all the way around to the floor pan I complimented Nathan. He calmly replied that he has noticed some body men can get a little lazy in those areas and that has always been a pet peeve of his.

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I love how the firewall turned out. We had to recess it a bit.

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http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/July12%20delivery%20of%20motor%20to%20Red%20bud/IMG_4596_zpse39bca99.jpg

My son Dan assembled the grille he designed and printed in Renntech's 3D printer. He is also a perfectionist when it comes to his craft so he wants to make some final tweaks but it looks like it's going to turn out exactly like he wanted it to. Here's a picture he sent me from his cell phone. We'll post more on that as things progress.


http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Lous%20Change%20grille/028d2ee3-14cc-4f98-b6f9-b6085e17b6ef_zpsb6e19722.jpg

[214Chevy]

Great pics!! Everything looks great. A couple of questions:
1) What update did you do to the engine.
2) What is the custom grill made of...fiberglass, metal, carbon fiber, etc.? (can't tell by the pics)

[Lous69]

Engine upgrades include Cam, valve springs, injectors, pulleys, solid coupling, damper and matching tune by Dave Mikels who works very closely with Brian at Thomson Automotive.

Dave and Brian are great to work with too. They sent the parts overnight delivery just to make sure we could get them installed in time to avoid any delays in body and paint. I especially appreciated their willingness to help us out because their main business is selling complete engines not selling parts.

Dave helped us figure out how to do a lot more with the ECM than just tune it for the performance mods. He also helped us enable things like reverse lock out using vehicle speed sensing, PWM fan control and AC compressor pressure sensing for cooling fan control.

The first grille prototype was printed in ABS plastic.

[Rick D]

Engine upgrades include Cam, valve springs, injectors, pulleys, solid coupling, damper and matching tune by Dave Mikels who works closely with Brian at Thomson Automotive.

The first grille prototype was printed in ABS plastic.

Looks great Lou! Can you explain what you mean by "PRINTED" in ABS plastic??

[FETorino]

Looks great Lou! Can you explain what you mean by "PRINTED" in ABS plastic??

I remember a while back on Jay Lenos car garage show he had an episode on this stuff. Awesome technology.

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[Ron in SoCal]

One of the first of these companies I was exposed to was 3D Systems back in 1986. Back then it was used primarily as product prototyping, and still is. Amazing technology and the indusrty has come a long way very quickly. Today there are forums and downloads for design files. You can make anything from a microscopic piano, to a fully functioning semi-auto.

Lou, your son made a fabulous grill. Can't wait to see it mounted!

[Lous69]

Looks great Lou! Can you explain what you mean by "PRINTED" in ABS plastic??

The video does a nice job of explaining what 3D printing is overall.

To actually print our grille, Dan used a machine that uses a little different technology.
Instead of a powder bed as shown in the video, the machine Dan uses feeds the plastic of his choice, in the form of a monfilament line, into a heated nozzle that melts it and deposits it in very small droplets, one layer at a time.

It literally "builds" the 3 Dimensional part, one very thin layer at a time. Think of it as a lazor printer that deposits solid plastic instead of colored ink. It just keeps deposting one layer at a time as instructed by the design he puts into it.

To create the design itself, he first scanned a stock 69 Camaro grille with a
hand held, 3D scanner similar to the one in the video above. That gave him a computer model of the stock grille.

Next he replaced portions of the stock design with his own design ideas. His new design is then converted to a CAD file that can provide instructions to the 3D printer.

The grille in the picture is what came out of the 3D printer. It is an actual ABS plastic part that will be finished and used on the car.

Fascinating stuff. We plan to post a video of the entire process from start to finish with the grille in the car.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Lous%20Change%20grille/028d2ee3-14cc-4f98-b6f9-b6085e17b6ef_zpsb6e19722.jpg

[Richio1]

My son Dan assembled the grille he designed and printed in Renntech's 3D printer. He is also a perfectionist when it comes to his craft so he wants to make some final tweaks but it looks like it's going to turn out exactly like he wanted it to. Here's a picture he sent me from his cell phone. We'll post more on that as things progress.


http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/Lous%20Change%20grille/028d2ee3-14cc-4f98-b6f9-b6085e17b6ef_zpsb6e19722.jpg[/QUOTE]


Love the grille Lou. Looks fantastic. Classic yet modern at the same time. Would love to know more about the process. I imagine its all CAD and laser...

I wanted to do the same with mine. Custom one off but not too out there. We made mine out of metal which was very time consuming with several tries to get right. Looking back CAD would have been way easier and faster. We just didn't have that option.

The joy of modern technology :lol:

Keep up the great work. Car is already bad a$$ and can't wait to see color on it. Kevin and the team are doing amazing work.

[Rick D]

Holy crap!!! I've heard the term 3D printing but never really new what it was. That is so f-in cool!! :thankyou:

[syborg tt]

you better sell these when your done. !!!!!!!

[Lous69]

Here are some update pics

Since I'm a clean freak and plan to keep the bottom of the car looking nice we decided to paint the bottom with semi gloss IMRON vs. a bedliner or other rougher texture coating.

I realize I may be giving up some sound deadening quality of other coatings but that is a trade off I'm willing to make for a very sanitary bottom that I can periodically make look like new again.

Of course, that decision required some pretty intense preparation of the bottom.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/ZL1%20Hood%20Pictures/Body%20and%20Paint/IMG_4611_zps109f782c.jpg

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Once all the basic prep and seam sealing was done inside and out, Nathan laid down a coat of epoxy primer on everything. Having the tub on the auto twirler made it a heck of a lot easier for him to get to every single nook and cranny.

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After the epoxy primer was applied, Nathan then sprayed Imron to the inside, bottom of the floor and the firewall.

Next the painted motor and trans were assembled back into the subframe so it could be put back into the car along with the rear end.

The exposed aluminum portions of the engine and the transmission were painted with a high temperature nano ceramic coating so they will look new and fresh for years to come.

V8TV puts the drivetrain back in before doing the final bodywork so all the gaps and body lines will be perfect and not shifted due to the weight of the driveline.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/ZL1%20Hood%20Pictures/Final%20Assembly/IMG_0633_zps62fd8542.jpg

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The subframe and drivetrain are wrapped to protect them during the upcoming bodywork and paint phase.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/ZL1%20Hood%20Pictures/Final%20Assembly/IMG_4636_zpseb34c70c.jpg

[Richio1]

Great update. Getting close. You've got to be excited.

[waynieZ]

Wow a lot of progress. Its really coming together. I like the idea of the Imron paint its almost indestructible. Looking great!

[syborg tt]

Wow a lot of progress. Its really coming together. I like the idea of the Imron paint its almost indestructible. Looking great!

I agree nice update

[Lous69]

Woohoo!! Starting to resemble a car again!!


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Adam and Nathan modified the front valence to make it flow better with the custom hood they also built per Dan's design. Knowledgeable 1st gen eyes will notice that the center hump in the valence is gone.

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We need to decide what color to paint the grill before Nathan starts spraying colors. We're torn between black for the more sinister look and titanium to match the Forgeline centers.

Tough decision even with the aid of renderings.

Black Grille:

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/frontrenderingwithblackgrille_zps90084a2a.jpg

Titanium Grille:

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[Vince@Meanstreets]

Titanium Grille for sure, its such a nice grille to lose the details in all the black. Project is coming out great.

[MX145]

Titanium Grille for sure, its such a nice grille to lose the details in all the black. Project is coming out great.

Completely agree.

[Rick D]

Yup titanium would be what I would do!! Looks great Lou!!

[214Chevy]

I vote black to go with the other accessories of the car. Both, hockey and hood stripes are black, the lower, front valance is black and the hood vent is black. I just think it would all match better. The titanium wheels would be just the perfect touch to not have too much black.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Titanium Grille for sure, its such a nice grille to lose the details in all the black. Project is coming out great.

X3.

Don't disappoint us Lou. :D

[Sieg]

Hmmm........I'd match the grille to the wheels. Either rendition looks great, though my personal preference is leaning to the darker grille as it fits the overall scheme.

Subtle twist: Orange door handles (like the mirrors) with black anodised push buttons?

[syborg tt]

What color are your wheels, chin spoiler & the Stripe going to be on the car ???

I like the Titanium but it may be close to the wheel color and then the stripe might be a different color. So there may be to many colors merging together in such close proximity of each other.

Maybe match the Grille & the Chin Spoiler to tie it al together.

[V8TV]

This has been one of the hardest decisions on the car. I think the wheels are dark enough that the grille, tail, and wheels should all match.

But... (Lou don't kill me for saying this.. )

It's only paint! It could change if need be. We could shoot it in the wheel color, and then change it back to black if it's too "loud", but I really think the lighter shade will better show it off.

Today Nathan is working on the rear deck spoiler to suck it down to the decklid and make it fit the car better.

[syborg tt]

Hey Kevin

Where is the thread on the Boss 302

[Sieg]

I think the wheels are dark enough that the grille, tail, and wheels should all match.

There are so many subtle and cool features to the car that speak for themselves to the discerning eye that too many colors in the scheme would detract from those features..........IMO

It's looking great............less is more!

[waynieZ]

I like them both but leaning towards the black. You can't loose either way.

[DOOM]

Kevin I noticed you used Evercoat polyester high build filler for your final blocking on Lou's car. How long have you been using this product and have you had any shrinkage issues??

[Rick D]

Kevin I noticed you used Evercoat polyester high build filler for your final blocking on Lou's car. How long have you been using this product and have you had any shrinkage issues??

I'll get you some of the good stuff!!! :_paranoid

Oh and let's see some updates please??? :flashie:

[67goatman455]

My friend swears by the Evercoat featherfill polyester primer. Since it is a polyester, its intended to dry and shrink one time and its done. He's been spraying for about 2 years now and i haven't heard anything bad come back yet.

[V8TV]

We have been using Evercoat Quantum1 filler and their Super Build 4:1 polyester primer with great success. We apply them over an epoxy primer over bare steel.

Both of those products are easy to apply and sand, and they pass the 500 salt spray test, so they are excellent corrosion inhibitors as well.

We have not had any shrinking issues with these.

If you're inclined, here are some videos that cover our bodywork and paint process:

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[DOOM]

Thanx Kevin!
I saw your video that's why I ask. In the past I used a similar product and I swore I would never use it again . I can't recall the name that's how long its been since I last used it. But it was a disaster!!

[V8TV]

Some of the older fillers and non catalyzed products were bad on shrinking. Especially if you topcoated them quickly... in a production shop, you might spray the poly filler in the morning and paint / clear in the afternoon. That can be a recipe for sanding scratches to come back later, as the poly did not have time to cure. We've been burned before, too.

[Jay Hilliard]

Great job on the paint/body and very informative. Thanks!

[Musclerodz]

I changed to the quantum filler earlier this year and like it even better than the extreme I was using. Plus it is cheaper in the end since we almost never need putty filler anymore. I have not used their superbuild filler. I used to use the slick sand but got away from that and went back to rust defender and have been using urethane high build for final sanding.

[gnx7]

Fantastic build, progress pics, and dig the driveline upgrade!
Can't wait to see this one completed.

I'm not sure if you are aware; however Lingenfelter now offers a blower snout to run the larger 2300 series blower on the LSA motor. Maybe something to look into :unibrow:

[Lous69]

Things continue to progress. After some trial fitting of the grille and passing one of Kelle's tough quality control scans, Nathan applied the Evercoat Super Build 4:1 polyester primer and guide coat.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/ZL1%20Hood%20Pictures/Body%20and%20Paint/IMG_6187_zps3ff42438.jpg

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I kind of like the custom, hand painted, zebra racing stripes. hehe

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[waynieZ]

If you look at the third and forth pictures fast they look like drawings instead of photos. I drool every time I see that hood! Nice progress guy's and Kelle.

[V8TV]

It is kinda surreal looking... like a giant birthday cake or something.

[syborg tt]

A couple years ago my wife said to me. What seems more likely Horse with Stripes or a Horse with a Horn ??

I am really looking forward to seeing this car in person. Maybe when I head down to Kenny's in a month I can stop by and see it in person. ???

I kind of like the custom, hand painted, zebra
racing stripes. hehe

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[V8TV]

A couple years ago my wife said to me. What seems more likely Horse with Stripes or a Horse with a Horn ??

I am really looking forward to seeing this car in person. Maybe when I head down to Kenny's in a month I can stop by and see it in person. ???

You can come and see it anytime. The shop is nearly always open!

[syborg tt]

You can come and see it anytime. The shop is nearly always open!

Thank you and I hope to see you guys soon

[Lous69]

I have thought about mentioning something here for a few days wondering if it was the right thing to do or not.

In the end I decided to follow my heart.

Sadly, Kevin of V8TV lost his father last week. Please include Kevin and his family in your prayers as they navigate through this difficult time.

Since I have been one of their customers I have seen Kevin, Kelle and their team power through adversities as they emerged, even when they had no control over them. They always do so without complaining and very rarely ask for help.

I think that speaks highly of their character, confidence and capabilities.

I never met Kevin's dad.

As a father myself and from what I know about Kevin as a person, I suspect he was a good father and I can't help but to believe he was as proud of Kevin as any father could be.

May he rest in peace, free of pain and worries.

[DOOM]

Sorry to here this. Our prayers are with you Kevin.

[Jay Hilliard]

So sorry to here this. I will keep you and family in my prayers and I pray Jesus will provide comfort and peace during this difficult time.

[waynieZ]

Kevin sorry to hear about your father, I'll keep him and your family in my prayers.

[Sonar Chief]

Kevin .... sorry to hear about your loss, keep your father close to your heart and your prayers. I will say a couple prayers for your father.

Kevin .... your father will be there with you in the garage!

[V8TV]

Wow, thank you everyone for the kind words. Lou, you are very kind and thoughtful for posting this. Lou has been very supportive of Kelle and I during difficult times with both our parents, and we appreciate the support and prayers.

My dad was a mechanic in the Air Force and then a Police Officer.. he taught me how to use tools, how to think problems through, and how to accept failures as challenges. He cared for people more than anyone I know, even complete strangers. He will be missed, but he is always with me in spirit.

Thanks again, guys.

:cheers:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Kevin,

I'm very sorry to hear this about your Dad.

My condolences to you and your family.

[Lous69]

Eureka!!!

After some thorough cleaning and careful masking.....

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/nv8rdi/ZL1%20Hood%20Pictures/Body%20and%20Paint/IMG_5732_zpsd1872086.jpg


We finally have COLOR!!!

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The jambs have been cleared. It's amazing how much the color changes and pops when the clear is applied. The color is called Mars Red. It is right in between red and orange. It's actually the same color it was before we started the project because we always liked it so much and we never saw another one in that exact color. I'm glad we didn't have to wonder what a new color would look like. That would have been a very difficult decision to make.

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The rest of the parts were also sprayed and Nathan is preparing them for clear coat in the jambs, under the decklid, etc.

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While Nathan is painting the other body parts some of the reassembly was begun.

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When the other body parts are ready, they will be installed and then the whole car will be masked and sprayed again with base coat on the outside to assure perfectly even color. Then it will be cleared, stripes added and then the final clear coat will be sprayed.

A lot of steps remain but it sure is exciting seeing it in color again!!!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

looks awesome, feels good to get to thisd point doesnt it.

[Rick D]

Nice update Lou! Is it going to be at Sema this year??

[randy]

yup thats a great feeling.

[tubbed69]

very nice Lou:thumbsup:

[Payton King]

Things should move along nicely now

[Jay Hilliard]

very nice. What type of stripes are you going with?

[syborg tt]

wow does that look nice :king:

[V8TV]

We are very excited about how the car is turning out! The Mars Red slips right between Hugger Orange and bright red, and it works extremely well with the black accents on the car. We should have the sheet metal back on the car today, and then it goes back in the booth for stripes and more clear.

[V8TV]

Nice update Lou! Is it going to be at Sema this year??

Possibly... we'll post it as soon as anything is firmed up.

[Lous69]

We have Stripes....

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[streetbird]

Cant wait to see it cleared

[U-turn]

Looks good!