Notice for All...

[street3285]

I wanted to post this as clarification for all. I am not, and wasn't the owner of Driverz Inc.. The business deal did not work out, and as a result, I never did become the owner of Driverz, Inc.

I will not comment anymore about the situation.

- Travis

[Ron in SoCal]

IMO Travis...too late. You're in too deep. Trying to skirt any responsibility w a single forum post without a believable/plausible explanation is laughable.

You might've been better off staying silent.

[Rick D]

^^^^^:yes: :yes: :yes:
WAY TO LATE!!

[John510]

I wanted to post this as clarification for all. I am not, and wasn't the owner of Driverz Inc.. The business deal did not work out, and as a result, I never did become the owner of Driverz, Inc.

I will not comment anymore about the situation.

- Travis


Uhhh according to your post its a different story dude...

http://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?87360-DRIVERZ-INC-New-Ownership-Introductory

[Sieg]

OJ Simpson obviously made more of an impression on CA residents than I thought.

[makoshark]

Boy this is getting ugly and too frequent these days. These type of frequencies with so many different businesses going under and leaving customers out to dry is going to hurt the remaining companies still in business. I know, now, I'm going to be a lot more careful in the future making internet purchases.

[Tony_SS]

Boy this is getting ugly and too frequent these days. These type of frequencies with so many different businesses going under and leaving customers out to dry is going to hurt the remaining companies still in business. I know, now, I'm going to be a lot more careful in the future making internet purchases.

Exactly, there are countless other vendors that operate with honesty and integrity. It's too bad that a few liars and thieves could ruin that for the rest of the people who are trying to make an honest living.

Travis if you weren't ever the owner you should have never pretended to be it.

[andrewb70]

......

Travis if you weren't ever the owner you should have never pretended to be it.

I would like to make a point, but please know that I have never met any of the parties involved, nor have I purchased any products from them. What I am about to say should not be seen as defending anyone.

It is not uncommon for a company to announce new ownership prior to the actual legal standing of "ownership." Many companies do this to facilitate a smooth transition because changing ownership is not like flipping a switch. It is also entirely possible that once a potential buyer digs deeper into the workings of a business, they realize that things are not as they were initially presented to them. Thus, in any deal, be it the sale of a car, house, or business, it is not done, until it is DONE! Intent to purchase is not the same as the act of purchase.

Andrew

[buickfunnycar.com]

Boy this is getting ugly and too frequent these days...

You can say that again...the foundation of this community is very fragile about now.

To say I'm shocked would be a huge understatement...

[novanutcase]

I would like to make a point, but please know that I have never met any of the parties involved, nor have I purchased any products from them. What I am about to say should not be seen as defending anyone.

It is not uncommon for a company to announce new ownership prior to the actual legal standing of "ownership." Many companies do this to facilitate a smooth transition because changing ownership is not like flipping a switch. It is also entirely possible that once a potential buyer digs deeper into the workings of a business, they realize that things are not as they were initially presented to them. Thus, in any deal, be it the sale of a car, house, or business, it is not done, until it is DONE! Intent to purchase is not the same as the act of purchase.

Andrew

Most companies that understand how business is SUPPOSED to be will NEVER introduce any change in ownership until it is LEGALLY transfered. Sounds like our boy jumped the gun. I don't have a dog in this fight but it sounds to me that maybe Jon "overstated" some of the virtues of the company and when Travis got in there and was able to really see what was going on he backed out.

My question is why would you even get close to closing a deal and announcing that you are the new owner without having audited the books in a way that would confirm moving on with closing said deal? Obviously the ownership change was done prematurely although there are certain disturbing timeline issues that don't bode well for Jon.

I don't think he intentionally tried to rip people off but then again, when you're drowning, many times you'll cling to whatever just to keep your head above water rationalizing that once you get back on track you'll make good on the deal. Not making excuses for the man but I've seen this scenario play out many times.

Do I think he should pay back every penny that was taken from customers that never received product? Of course, but as mentioned, you can't squeeze blood from a stone. I would hope that if NewGen takes off, I doubt it but if it does, Jon would have the integrity of making good on his debts even if, legally, he is not beholden to them.

Another question I have is where did the money end up? There seems to be some confusion as, supposedly, monies were being deposited into Mr. Hensons account even though the ownership and account transfer had already been done and should have, by Jons own account, been deposited into Driverz's account which, supposedly, had been already transferred into Travis's name. So who got the money? My guess is Travis bought the business from Jon and, after having seen how things really were, decided to pull his money back out and the only way he could do that was to raid the coffers. Who loses? The customers. Why? Because they gave their money to people who don't know how to run a business. JMO.

John

[Tony_SS]

I would like to make a point, but please know that I have never met any of the parties involved, nor have I purchased any products from them. What I am about to say should not be seen as defending anyone.

It is not uncommon for a company to announce new ownership prior to the actual legal standing of "ownership." Many companies do this to facilitate a smooth transition because changing ownership is not like flipping a switch. It is also entirely possible that once a potential buyer digs deeper into the workings of a business, they realize that things are not as they were initially presented to them. Thus, in any deal, be it the sale of a car, house, or business, it is not done, until it is DONE! Intent to purchase is not the same as the act of purchase.

Andrew

"Companies" perhaps, but as two individuals, it sounds like Travis is very green and eager while Jon was being deceitful. His old business partner Justin even passed on the deal! Sounds like Jon was hiding a mountain of debt with outstanding orders in that company and he tried playing hot potato with it. As soon as Travis announced 'ownership' I bet he got flooded with 'where's my order??' calls and bailed. ! :willy:

I could be wrong... but I doubt either one will set the record straight since the courts are involved now.

[onevoice]

Most companies that understand how business is SUPPOSED to be will NEVER introduce any change in ownership until it is LEGALLY transfered. Sounds like our boy jumped the gun. I don't have a dog in this fight but it sounds to me that maybe Jon "overstated" some of the virtues of the company and when Travis got in there and was able to really see what was going on he backed out.

My question is why would you even get close to closing a deal and announcing that you are the new owner without having audited the books in a way that would confirm moving on with closing said deal? Obviously the ownership change was done prematurely although there are certain disturbing timeline issues that don't bode well for Jon.



John

Not trying to defend this fiasco but this just isn't true in the real world. In 1998, Martin Marietta was in the process of buying a division of Northrop Grumman. Obviously both huge companies. All the announcements had been publicly made, even the name was changed on my building, and the whole deal fell through. Big companies occasionally get it wrong, and the small businesses that make up the vendors we deal with are even more susceptible. Doing due diligence on a small business is always somewhat of a crapshoot, because many non-public companies do not have accountants on staff, nor truly audited books. A previous owner could have been hiding things that would not be found until a new owner delved into the actual workings of the business.

[Flash68]

You can say that again...the foundation of this community is very fragile about now.



Completely the opposite... the fat is being trimmed. The foundation here is rock solid.


My question is why would you even get close to closing a deal and announcing that you are the new owner without having audited the books in a way that would confirm moving on with closing said deal?

That's a reasonable question but these people are kids. Maybe not with respect to age but with respect to any business acumen whatsoever.

And so this unfolding is not that big of a surprise to me.

I do agree with barraza's post about sometimes needing to take over a business before ownership is transferred and the sale consummated. I've done that before and it was a little rocky, but it worked out and was the best way to transition the sale.

But still, these guys just didn't know what the fock they were doing.

[Tony_SS]

Completely the opposite... the fat is being trimmed. The foundation here is rock solid.



That's a reasonable question but these people are kids. Maybe not with respect to age but with respect to any business acumen whatsoever.

And so this unfolding is not that big of a surprise to me.

I do agree with barraza's post about sometimes needing to take over a business before ownership is transferred and the sale consummated. I've done that before and it was a little rocky, but it worked out and was the best way to transition the sale.

But still, these guys just didn't know what the fock they were doing.

I think Jon knew exactly what he was doing... criminals are brazen like that.

[badmatt]

Looks like im not going to be purchasing a set of Chambers anytime soon.

[tones2SS]

You can say that again...the foundation of this community is very fragile about now.
To say I'm shocked would be a huge understatement...

Completely the opposite... the fat is being trimmed. The foundation here is rock solid.

I would completely agree with you Dave.

[Flash68]

That's a reasonable question but these people are kids. Maybe not with respect to age but with respect to any business acumen whatsoever.

And so this unfolding is not that big of a surprise to me.

I do agree with barraza's post about sometimes needing to take over a business before ownership is transferred and the sale consummated. I've done that before and it was a little rocky, but it worked out and was the best way to transition the sale.

But still, these guys just didn't know what the fock they were doing.

I think Jon knew exactly what he was doing... criminals are brazen like that.

I was not speaking about criminal or fraudulent intent, only their business acumen and abilities to operate, and in this case transfer, a business.

This was not unlike a ponzi scheme at the end -- newer buyers were likely funding the orders for previous buyers... and on and on. I am not saying it was a ponzi from the start, but at some point, out of necessity and survival, this is what happens.... and it happens often in a business going under.

[out2kayak]

My question is, after all the dust settles, are you going to still start-up / acquire a business?

Yes, what has been done is done, but hopefully you will take the opportunity to dust yourself off, look in the mirror, and chase that dream of a successful business that provides all that you promise.

Here is hope for a better tomorrow. :thumbsup:

:cheers:

[novanutcase]

Not trying to defend this fiasco but this just isn't true in the real world. In 1998, Martin Marietta was in the process of buying a division of Northrop Grumman. Obviously both huge companies. All the announcements had been publicly made, even the name was changed on my building, and the whole deal fell through. Big companies occasionally get it wrong, and the small businesses that make up the vendors we deal with are even more susceptible. Doing due diligence on a small business is always somewhat of a crapshoot, because many non-public companies do not have accountants on staff, nor truly audited books. A previous owner could have been hiding things that would not be found until a new owner delved into the actual workings of the business.

Hmmmm...strange...I've never heard of a company announcing they're the owners until they are but then again I don't know it all so you're probably right. Just doesn't seem sensible to me.

John

[Ron in SoCal]

My question is, after all the dust settles, are you going to still start-up / acquire a business?

Yes, what has been done is done, but hopefully you will take the opportunity to dust yourself off, look in the mirror, and chase that dream of a successful business that provides all that you promise.

Here is hope for a better tomorrow. :thumbsup:

:cheers:

Nice Joe! Michael Jordan once said he never learned anything from winning six Championships. He learned how to win them from losing during the early years....:cheers:

Edit: I meant in no way to condone what has happened and the wreckage left behind. I only was cheering Joe's message of hope for those that may have struck out once on their road to success.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Nice Joe! Michael Jordan once said he never learned anything from winning six Championships. He learned how to win them from losing during the early years....:cheers:

So Ron, using the logic you borrowed from your friend MJ, it appears that people that have lost some hair (not that there's anything wrong with that :_paranoid ), potentially have a big advantage over the roots intact crowd, right?

[Ron in SoCal]

So Ron, using the logic you borrowed from your friend MJ, it appears that people that have lost some hair (not that there's anything wrong with that :_paranoid ), potentially have a big advantage over the roots intact crowd, right?

Me and Mike have that going for us....:lol:

06dQSwnxBbM

[out2kayak]

...

Edit: I meant in no way to condone what has happened and the wreckage left behind. I only was cheering Joe's message of hope for those that may have struck out once on their road to success.

That's why I said:

successful business that provides all that you promise

In the end, we all have to look in the mirror and know what was done was right (which is not necessarily what was expedient).

I don't condone a business treating their customers badly, but those usually don't last all that long.

That said, learning from ones mistakes and making the change so it does not happen again is a good thing.

Good luck, keep your stick on the ice, and know that we are pulling for you.

http://truestreetcars.com/forums/attachments/pics-videos/20738d1315608225-retarded-civic-tractor-500x_red_green_civic-300x225.jpg

:cheers:

[Jr]

I'm not trying to throw fuel on the fire, but.... Did Travis start his own company?

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=518987
Take a look at the third post...


http://www.azproperformance.com/home.php

[GregWeld]

I'm not trying to throw fuel on the fire, but.... Did Travis start his own company?

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=518987
Take a look at the third post...


http://www.azproperformance.com/home.php



Maybe he always had that company and was just buying another??

Maybe this is where he works?

[garickman]

I'm not trying to throw fuel on the fire, but.... Did Travis start his own company?

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=518987
Take a look at the third post...


http://www.azproperformance.com/home.php

Just more suspicious activity from Jon and Driver'z Inc. I don't know if this company belongs to Travis or not but he registered the domain name and started the website on March, 18th, 2012. That's just two days after he said he walked away from Driver'z Inc.

http://domaincoleta.com/whois/azproperformance.com

[214Chevy]

Just more suspicious activity from Jon and Driver'z Inc. I don't know if this company belongs to Travis or not but he registered the domain name and started the website on March, 18th, 2012. That's just two days after he said he walked away from Driver'z Inc.

http://domaincoleta.com/whois/azproperformance.com

Uhh oohh!! :_paranoid :_paranoid :_paranoid :_paranoid Two days later, started another company while the whole Driverz, Inc fiasco is still going on. :( :drama:

[Vicinity]

Uhh oohh!! :_paranoid :_paranoid :_paranoid :_paranoid Two days later, started another company while the whole Driverz, Inc fiasco is still going on. :( :drama:

I don't think the storm of sh*t had yet started, at that point.

[street3285]

My question is, after all the dust settles, are you going to still start-up / acquire a business?

Yes, what has been done is done, but hopefully you will take the opportunity to dust yourself off, look in the mirror, and chase that dream of a successful business that provides all that you promise.

Here is hope for a better tomorrow. :thumbsup:

:cheers:

I wanted to say this earlier, but thanks for your encouraging words. As you can tell, that thought was already in my mind. :thumbsup:

Yes, this is my new business, started after the Driverz, Inc. deal did not work out. I had no choice but to start my own business since I already had quit my full time job. Yes, only 2 days later, but I have no time to waste on making a living and supporting myself.

Like I said, I don't want to comment on much, and really just want to move on and continuing moving forward.

[John510]

2 days later you decide to move to Arizona?

Who just says "Im moving to a different state tomorrow?"



Dude this is so suspicious ... Travis, you have never explained why you didn't buy it and then a new business pops up that looks exactly like what Driverz was doing in a different state.


If you left because you saw Jon was shady then say so. Otherwise it makes you look like a crook too especially when you pop up in AZ all of a sudden.

[street3285]

2 days later you decide to move to Arizona?

Who just says "Im moving to a different state tomorrow?"



Dude this is so suspicious ... Travis, you have never explained why you didn't buy it and then a new business pops up that looks exactly like what Driverz was doing in a different state.


If you left because you saw Jon was shady then say so. Otherwise it makes you look like a crook too especially when you pop up in AZ all of a sudden.

I don't want to comment on anything with Driverz.

I am not a crook by any means.
I apologize if it comes off rude, but if you must know, I have a lot family in AZ and will be moving there very shortly. I am already back and forth between AZ and CA as it is. It looking suspicious is your opinion, and you are entitled to it by all means. But, I have my reasons for doing things the way I have. A lot has changed and happened in the past month, so I must make changes myself and adjust accordingly. As you may not just up and move, other people including myself will, if it seems like the best move for the situation.

[69cortezsilver]

so how much of the "stolen" money did jon split with you? obviously enough to start another company in another state...pretty safe to say i wont be doing any transactions with your new company as well as new gen....as a past president once said "fool me once, shame on you..fool me - you cant get fooled again! hahah

[street3285]

I don't have any of the money and never did. So I ask, please don't accuse me of things that I didn't do, or you don't know the facts to. So you know, it takes very little money to start a business, as a license cost under $100.

This will probably come off wrong, but..... I don't remember asking you to buy anything from me, or asking anybody on the forum to buy from me. Don't buy from me, it's Ok.... you have that right. I did not come on here trying to sell anybody anything.

[GregWeld]

With that attitude I don't think you'll have any problems with people on here buying much...


:faint: :rofl:

[Ron in SoCal]

I don't have any of the money and never did. So I ask, please don't accuse me of things that I didn't do, or you don't know the facts to. So you know, it takes very little money to start a business, as a license cost under $100.



:begin rant:

That website of yours was waaaaay more than a benjamen, and takes more than two days to set up. The facts as presented to this site were pretty evident along w a timeline. You came on, announced your ownership back in Feb. Did some 'deals' all the way up till the lid blew off. You move to another state, start a business two days after the exit date in your 'sorry, I'm out. Get your money from from wherever you can, if you can' post. Your silence does nothing to instill any confidence in the members here, and in my mind appears like your all set to do it again. Those poor truck guys may never see it coming!

I'll never trust you or anything you say, that's for sure. Just go away already. I want to enjoy my hobby and not ever think about you or hear from you again.

Oh, and you did ask people to buy from you. Short memories of failed transactions are indicative of people w no morals or integrity. There's a word for that...

:end rant:

[street3285]

I understand that, and everyone has that choice. That's fine.... I didn't come on here promoting and didn't ask for my link to be posted and try to sell product. That was my point. He accuses me of stealing without any facts, and then says he won't buy. I think his attitude was a little wrong towards me and accusing me of things. He stated he won't buy from me. I stated I didn't ask him to. That's all.... Thought that was fair to say.

[John510]

I realize you don't want to comment but if you are innocent please let us know what happened and why you backed out.

[GregWeld]

Just go away already. I want to enjoy my hobby and not ever think about you or hear from you again.



^^^^^^ Best advice and statement I've heard on this whole sordid affair.


Travis... take the advice and run with it... run away. Don't look back. Regardless of your excuses -- I'd say for 99.9% of the people on here - you're kinda persona non grata...

[214Chevy]

Those poor truck guys may never see it coming!

:end rant:

I myself, with a slew of other Lat-g members are members on the truck forum. So, with a callous attitude of "I don't need anyone to by anything from me" attitude with spill over to the other site.

[street3285]

:begin rant:

That website of yours was waaaaay more than a benjamen, and takes more than two days to set up. The facts as presented to this site were pretty evident along w a timeline. You came on, announced your ownership back in Feb. Did some 'deals' all the way up till the lid blew off. You move to another state, start a business two days after the exit date in your 'sorry, I'm out. Get your money from from wherever you can, if you can' post. Your silence does nothing to instill any confidence in the members here, and in my mind appears like your all set to do it again. Those poor truck guys may never see it coming!

I'll never trust you or anything you say, that's for sure. Just go away already. I want to enjoy my hobby and not ever think about you or hear from you again.

Oh, and you did ask people to buy from you. Short memories of failed transactions are indicative of people w no morals or integrity. There's a word for that...

:end rant:

Ron in SoCal,

I will stop with this rant as well. I never said the website cost $100, and so you are aware, I have a degree in Graphic Design / Multimedia, so I am definitely capable of doing all that myself and very quickly in that matter. Have you ever setup a site like that? Do you know first-hand how long it takes to do so? And... It is now weeks after 3-18-12, so there is plenty of time to do what has been done. So who said I did it in 2 days? I didn't say I moved to AZ either. I said I am going to very soon with all that has happened. I have always been back and forth between AZ and CA, because like I said, I have a lot of family there.

I just wanted to straighten out some facts for you and give you my timeline before exiting this thread. I just think that if someone is going to call me out on the above, that I should have a fair response... or am I wrong? How is it that you can aggressively call me out on things, not knowing me at all, but then I can't respond in the same manner without getting backlash?

I will go away and enjoy my hobby also, and actually tried to until somebody posted the website link. Again, you posted in here, you have the choice to not look at this thread and not post. Since you have, you can't expect to be able to post what you do, and not have me respond. Now I will stop posting, as it is pointless to go back and forth. I think we will both agree with that.

I never asked anybody to buy from me since everything happened... that is what that reference was to. And second, you don't know me, so to say I don't have morals or integrity is ridiculous. But, think what you want, as I have my own thoughts about you.

^^^^^^ Best advice and statement I've heard on this whole sordid affair.


Travis... take the advice and run with it... run away. Don't look back. Regardless of your excuses -- I'd say for 99.9% of the people on here - you're kinda persona non grata...

GregWeld,

Trust me, I want this to be done with also. I tried to move on, but I am not going to sit back either. I think you would do the same if you were in my situation, if Ron in SoCal was saying the same things towards you. Maybe???? Honestly, I don't know you to be able to confidently say.

I myself, with a slew of other Lat-g members are members on the truck forum. So, with a callous attitude of "I don't need anyone to by anything from me" attitude with spill over to the other site.

I understand what you are saying. That was maybe a quick reaction statement to that poster that said he wouldn't buy anything. But.... please note that I never said "I don't need anybody to buy anything from me". I said, I never came on here asking for anybody to buy anything. That is quoting something I never said. I know no one will with all that has happened. I just want to make it clear, I didn't solicit anybody for purchases. I just want to focus on my own thing and move forward. I have had already transactions through the new business, with everyone pleased.


Overall, I just felt as though I needed to give my .02 like everyone else did above. It is a little bit of a bummer to me, as I like this forum. But, understand with all that has happened, my name is unfortunately & wrongfully attached to it all.

Enjoy your hobby and I will do the same. Take care guys, and we will go our separate ways.

[Rod P]

I myself, with a slew of other Lat-g members are members on the truck forum. So, with a callous attitude of "I don't need anyone to by anything from me" attitude with spill over to the other site.

I sure that I'm not the only one that's a member of PT.com, Lat G.com, bangshift.com, LS1 tech, H.A.M.B., camaros.net, and few others it will be easy to warn many of the activities

a business will fail without customers

[novanutcase]

Here's what bothers me the most about this whole BS.......

A transfer of business was supposed to ensue between you and Jon and was posted on this and other car sites as being the official "coming out" of the new owner for Driverz Inc.

While that was supposedly happening, orders were being taken along with deposits for those orders that ended up in Driverz Incs bank account.

You decided to back out of the deal.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MONEY? WHO PULLED IT FROM THE ACCOUNT? DID YOU COME TO DRIVERZ INC WITH ACTUAL CAPITAL INVESTED? IF SO, WAS THE MONEY RECEIVED FOR DEPOSITS TAKEN BY YOU TO REIMBURSE YOU FOR THE INVESTMENT YOU ORIGINALLY MADE?

If you say it wasn't you then the only other person it could be is Jon Henson. Is this the case?

John

[Vince@Meanstreets]

....the fifth, love it, embrace it and I suggest you use it. In a friendly way. Partnerships will always be a nightmare.

[makoshark]

We reap what we sow.

[garickman]

I wanted to post this as clarification for all. I am not, and wasn't the owner of Driverz Inc.. The business deal did not work out, and as a result, I never did become the owner of Driverz, Inc.

I will not comment anymore about the situation.

- Travis

Travis,

I don't know you at all and I don't know what transpired between you and Jon. But if you are still monitoring this thread perhaps you could answer one more question which may allow people who don't know you to better judge your character. You don't need to get into details as you could answer with a simple yes or no.

Was Jon Henson lying when he announced on a public forum on 1/19/12 "IT IS TRUE, AS OF TODAY, THE SALE OF MY COMPANY, DRIVER'Z INC. HAS BEEN FINALIZED. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE DETAILS SINCE NOVEMBER." http://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?86353-Driverz-Inc-is-under-new-ownership-Details-inside&highlight=

I have never owned a business but finalized to means it is a done deal, which means you would have had control of the monies coming into the business and supposedly being deposited into the Driver'z Inc. bank account.

[Rick D]

I have no dog in this race so this is just my take on some things that have been said in this and other threads.

First I have had my own busniess so I know somethings about that end, and I have run lots of shops with multi-millon dollar sales. I keep reading this and keep going back to the move with a young Henri Fonda 12 angry men or somehing like that, anyway they all but one thought the poor kid killed his father and in the end they all found him not guilty.

I'm not saying the Travis is guilty or not but what I am saying most are accusing him of some sort of wrong doing with out ANY FACTS about what really happened. Sure if you look from our side it does not look good for him. Some facts we do know is that some of the members on here and other site paid money to Driverz Inc and did not recieve the items they paid for. This we do know as fact! What we do not know is who was in charge and that is the gray area and I'm sure WE will never know unless we are at the court house for that side of this mess.

I for one understand him not talking about the details on an open forum as if this is going to court I sure won't want what I said here being brought up there, and I know, noone else would do it either. Something went wrong and it is very bad for our part of this awsome site. The one bit of advise I would say is make sure when you talk about this deal be very clear of what you say because once you write it here it is forever and I know noone here wants to end up in court on a slander charge.

Now my last part is there is WAY to much already put into this thread and I for one am done reading it!!! I think it should be done myself but that is for Scott and Jody to make that call. Now lets get back to what we all come here for the friendship and the cars!!!!

Plus Ron I think we NEED more pictures of your car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

:lateral: :lateral: :lateral: :lateral: :lateral: :lateral:

[camcojb]

Now my last part is there is WAY to much already put into this thread and I for one am done reading it!!! I think it should be done myself but that is for Scott and Jody to make that call. Now lets get back to what we all come here for the friendship and the cars!!!!

Plus Ron I think we NEED more pictures of your car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

:lateral: :lateral: :lateral: :lateral: :lateral: :lateral:

I agree. If Travis wants to answer any more questions he can send me a pm and I'll let him respond. Otherwise, pretty much everything has been said.