JCG Restoration & Customs 68 Camaro Test Car [Archive]

Cris@JCG

04-08-2012, 10:01 AM

I finally got around to getting this car out of my garage so that we can get some work going on it… This car belongs to my buddy Enrique that we bought out of a body shop about 8 years ago.. We hardly drive it & the car just sits in my garage.. So with all the new prototype suspension I have going on here @ JCG.. We finally decided that we need a test car to proof the suspension design.. I have a bunch of parts lying around the shop that we can build a decent driver & test car.. Plus to proof that you can buy a decent running car & turn it into a fair completive Pro-Touring car just to have some fun… Plus will be my daily driver to

I will put the car on scales this week to get a base line weight to know we started off with & what the finished car will weight… I will be working with Anvil Auto on using their fiberglass line of products to keep the cost down to remove weight plus doing a few things along the line… BTW- Enrique is a prototype machinist.. So I am sure that we will have some cool billet !

Parts List
SBC 406 with fuel injection or carbureted
LT-1 6 speed rebuilt by Rockland
9 inch Ford rear-end
JCG Sub-Frame & suspension
JCG 3 link rear suspension
American Autowire kit
Be Cool Radiator
AFCO shocks
19x12 & 18x9.5 wheels with Nitto Tires
JCG 4 Point cage
JCG Battery Tray
Autometer gages
Sparco seats with steering wheel
WIlwood Brake System

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cencalc6

04-09-2012, 09:56 AM

Another Great Build :thumbsup:

HRBS

04-09-2012, 10:49 AM

a shame to waste those TT2's. :lol:

sounds like a cool project Cris.
Curious why the old skool SBC 406 and not LS ?

Kendall Burleson

04-10-2012, 08:15 AM

More pics:hail: :hail:

Track Junky

04-10-2012, 08:27 AM

Looks like you have a nice platform to start with Chris. Is this your chosen weapon for Buttonwillow?

GRob

04-10-2012, 09:51 AM

Watching this build very closely as this is exactly what my plan is with my car - it's too nice to tear it apart, but it needs help desperately in its, shall we say, farfegnugen - lol.

Very interested to see the front and rear suspension setup you come up with. I've also been looking at the JRS setup as well but yours looks nice too.

Can't wait to see more.

Cris@JCG

04-10-2012, 08:22 PM

Thanks Philip!

Another Great Build :thumbsup:

I already sold all the suspension with drivetrain outta the car! With the wheels... I think I have a spare set of new ones sitting around here.. :D

I am going with a SBC to keep cost down & to get the car done ASAP.. Plus I got a new motor with 500 HP that should keep me entertained.. This car will also be my car to learn how to drive..

a shame to waste those TT2's. :lol:

sounds like a cool project Cris.
Curious why the old skool SBC 406 and not LS ?

Yes Sir! I will put NOS system to keep up with Todd.. :lol:

Looks like you have a nice platform to start with Chris. Is this your chosen weapon for Buttonwillow?

I have some pretty good people helping out with design & the tune of the suspension.. but far from making it a sellable item.. If I ever do go that route.. Right now it only supports in house builds..

Watching this build very closely as this is exactly what my plan is with my car - it's too nice to tear it apart, but it needs help desperately in its, shall we say, farfegnugen - lol.

Very interested to see the front and rear suspension setup you come up with. I've also been looking at the JRS setup as well but yours looks nice too.

Can't wait to see more.

Vegas69

04-10-2012, 09:42 PM

Better make it a 300 shot and a trip to Bondurant. :lol:

Cris@JCG

04-10-2012, 09:51 PM

Just imagine if I keep up with that bucket of bolts of yours that you have been working on & tuning for 3 years.. Wouldn't that be something! You just never know ... I have two driving instructors that are determined to make a driver of me yet... :lol: Yeah Right!

We will be testing & tuning @ Streets of Willow in 2 weeks during the week.. Wanna drag that bucket of bolts on over & let us tune it for you.. I don't want to hear anymore excuses.. Oh! you will probably show up in Kelli's Corvette! :rofl:

Better make it a 300 shot and a trip to Bondurant. :lol:

Vegas69

04-10-2012, 09:58 PM

Bucket of bolts? What's that make yours, a Model T. :lol:

It would be fun to have you competitive. You are certainly surroundig yourself with the right folks. Maybe I'll just build me another one. :unibrow:

Cris@JCG

04-10-2012, 10:00 PM

BTW- I used to play with one of these..

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Better make it a 300 shot and a trip to Bondurant. :lol:

Matt@BOS

04-10-2012, 10:05 PM

BTW- I used to play with one of these..

Ha, play with one of those? Those things are like nannies. They just take care of you and and occasionally slap you on the wrist when you do something you're not supposed to! :lol:

Matt

04-11-2012, 09:05 AM

We need more pics. :thumbsup:

Cris@JCG

04-18-2012, 05:07 PM

Last week we got the only body modification done... We pulled the bottom section of the qtr panels to remove the taper for the wheel opening.. This will allow us to get the stance we are looking for.. Got a pic of a stock to modified comparision... We only had to cut the side bumper brackets to mount the rear bumper..

We also began the disassemble of the car.. This car sat in a body shop for about 15 years just doing nothing when we bought it.. I had forgotten how clean the floors were.. Got a good start... We will make our changes & then just do a scuff & paint..

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Track Junky

04-18-2012, 07:36 PM

Very cool Chris. Looking forward to seeing how your suspension set up turns out :thumbsup:

Flash68

04-18-2012, 07:57 PM

So this is the car getting that prototype chassis.... :unibrow:

Cris@JCG

04-18-2012, 09:48 PM

Yeah me too! It has been an up hill battle trying to get this front suspension done.. The thing is for the last 8 weeks I have gotten a crash course on tuning a suspension.. So all that information is being transfered into our susepension design.. All I can say is that it is adjustable in so many ways.. But this is only for the prototype.. Once we shake it out & proof function.. It will be alot easier to produce.. Tonight we spent doing a buch of imaginary lines for roll center & roll height.. Very pleased with the results but found out that we need to lower the rack n pinion about a 1/2 .. Re-design on the cross member :faint: .. but it all is good.. Have a few talented people helping out!

Very cool Chris. Looking forward to seeing how your suspension set up turns out :thumbsup:

Yeah! I just could not build this without proofing the prototype myself.. I like to confirm function & test on my personal car for a project this big..

So this is the car getting that prototype chassis.... :unibrow:

Flash68

04-18-2012, 10:35 PM

Yeah! I just could not build this without proofing the prototype myself.. I like to confirm function & test on my personal car for a project this big..

In the end I think it was the right move, Cris. :thumbsup:

Cris@JCG

05-03-2012, 09:53 PM

We got some progress going on the 68... I will be delivering BB sooon & will need another daily driver 68 Camaro.. :unibrow:

We got the firewall cut & fitting the new one fit.. plus we got the main hoop on the 4 pt cage built.. My guys are giving me a hard time about not running a LS motor in it.. So that is up in the air right now..

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So .. I let Primo.. my main fabricator come up with a game plan on doing a quick mini tub... I walk out later in the afteroon & he has all the tub cut out with the frame rail cut out.. he looks @ me & says .. "Trust Me".. now we need a custom gas tank & the tubs will look like Pro Street tubs.. We are raising the frame rail about 1.50 to run the car low & so that we don't bottom out on the frame rail.. plus we moved it in about 3 inches.. I have this idea about shock placement..

More to come later..

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Al Moreno

05-04-2012, 07:08 AM

All I know is that thing is going to be Bitching when done! Can't wait to see more.

GRob

05-04-2012, 07:10 AM

Wow! This project is becoming a whole lot bigger than originally planned. Cool.

7TSS

05-04-2012, 04:34 PM

This is going to be fun to watch come together.

Just another case of scope creep. :D

Cris@JCG

05-07-2012, 12:05 PM

Thanks for the props guys! But this project is now offically out of control.. I will try not to cut up anymore of it! :unibrow: I got this idea in my head that is just being transfered into this car.. It has to do with the weight distrubution & center of gravitiy..

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All I know is that thing is going to be Bitching when done! Can't wait to see more.

Wow! This project is becoming a whole lot bigger than originally planned. Cool.

This is going to be fun to watch come together.

Just another case of scope creep. :D

Cris@JCG

05-10-2012, 08:52 PM

The jig saw puzzle has started...

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sixnina

05-11-2012, 04:43 AM

Nice metal work can't wait to see more.:thumbsup:

cencalc6

05-11-2012, 09:22 AM

Excellent Job on the Subframe! :thumbsup:

The WidowMaker

05-11-2012, 03:05 PM

We will make our changes & then just do a scuff & paint..

how things get out of control.... it'll be sick when done!

CamaroJoe

05-11-2012, 03:31 PM

Project is looking good nice work! :thumbsup:

tones2SS

05-13-2012, 01:26 PM

Looking good guys.

Protour_Pinto

05-13-2012, 07:53 PM

Man, That is a clean car! Northerners and Back Easters must be drooling.

With so many choices of Subframes on the market already, What is your end result going to be with yours?

I vote for the SBC. The LS is an awesome powertrain but its still way out of the reach for the average joe.

Cris@JCG

05-16-2012, 09:52 PM

Here are some updates for this week... I made the decision today to go LS on the test car.. It is the bulk of the work we do @ JCG...

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Flash68

05-16-2012, 10:10 PM

I made the decision today to go LS on the test car..

BOOOOOOOOO!!! Rich and I are not happy about that. :lol:

DEIGuy38

05-16-2012, 10:10 PM

Chris, you guys do great work and come up with some trick pieces.

One observation was on your subframe and rear clip the seams on the steel are in random places, not all to the inside or outside. If someone were to buy one of your subframes and just wanted to paint and install the seams would be noticeable. Alot of grinding and bodywork would be needed to hide the seams. I would just put all of the seams to the inside, may cost you a little more tubing but in the end I think look better. Just my .02

Cris@JCG

05-18-2012, 08:39 AM

Yeah! But guys need to get out of the stone ages! While your @ it .. bring Todd in from the dark side!

BOOOOOOOOO!!! Rich and I are not happy about that. :lol:

That was a detail that got by on me with a few others.. but this is not a car that will have alot of detail.. It is my test car.. The front sub has been a pain to fabricate... We are looking at ways to optimize for the others I need to build...

Chris, you guys do great work and come up with some trick pieces.

One observation was on your subframe and rear clip the seams on the steel are in random places, not all to the inside or outside. If someone were to buy one of your subframes and just wanted to paint and install the seams would be noticeable. Alot of grinding and bodywork would be needed to hide the seams. I would just put all of the seams to the inside, may cost you a little more tubing but in the end I think look better. Just my .02

Cris@JCG

07-03-2012, 08:38 PM

Well my first prototype sub-frame has been a challenge… This why we build prototypes so that we can catch the things that will work & need to be modified..
The first thing that was a issue was the steering column that did not have the clearance we needed.. then the frame rails were too narrow to build headers.. then we needed to build engine mounts… then have clearance for accessory drive system…

So plan B.. We redesigned the frame rails to clear all the problems that we were having… It will use 2010 Camaro accessory drive, more friendly for clearances on the steering shaft & headers, & plus it will be fabricated frame rails for optimization of building the frame rails… In the mean time we have modified the first chassis so it can still be used for test purposes & the we finally built the control arms.. We will have Rev 2 of the chassis in a few weeks..

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07-04-2012, 09:13 AM

Your pictures look great. What size is that front tire?

cencalc6

07-04-2012, 10:58 AM

Looking really nice Chris :thumbsup:

tones2SS

07-04-2012, 11:33 AM

Nice updates. Looking really good.

Cris@JCG

07-05-2012, 07:00 PM

305-30-19 :D .. I think I can make it work.. if not a 295-35-18 will just be fine..

Your pictures look great. What size is that front tire?

Thank you!

Looking really nice Chris :thumbsup:

Nice updates. Looking really good.

Cris@JCG

07-10-2012, 10:10 AM

We got around to mounting some front sheetmetal to confirm that all measuremnts were good.. plus check the ride height & center wheel well opening on center of fender... The front tire is a 295-35-18 on 18x10.. Just need to modify the inner well torwards the fender mount for clearance.. We automatically built -1 camber into the lower control arm.. Currently running -3 camber & 5 deg on caster..

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Track Junky

07-10-2012, 04:02 PM

Looks like your are making some great progress Chris. Cant wait to see how this one turns out. :thumbsup:

Cris@JCG

08-06-2012, 11:07 PM

Small update... I did not like the first set of frame rails we did .. we decided to re-do them to match what we already had designed for the Mustang rear 3-link clip.. plus we have sub-frame connectors...

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I also asked Ben Hermance to do the BB rendering in red with a SS stripe & Yenko hood.. This is the theme of the car!

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Cris@JCG

08-27-2012, 01:38 PM

This is what I am thinking about for my gas tank.. dual cells in front of the axle.. down side it will only hold 10 gallons of fuel..
Carl C from Vaporworks will pay us a visit this week to discuss my idea...

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syborg tt

08-28-2012, 01:27 PM

Chris I love the dual tank idea. I have alway's hated the time bomb in the back of these old cars.

Lotus has a similar set up and I had considered using it on the 70 but I didn't want to sacrfice the rear seat. If you cut in the rear seat area you might be able to get a few more gallons. heck if your running a LS and get two 6 gallon tanks you would still get close to 200 miles out of the tanks which is simlar to my Wonderful 5.3 Tahoe.

This is what I am thinking about for my gas tank.. dual cells in front of the axle.. down side it will only hold 10 gallons of fuel..
Carl C from Vaporworks will pay us a visit this week to discuss my idea...

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OLDFLM

08-28-2012, 02:43 PM

What about a tank that would go over the hump in the back seat? That should get you a couple of more gallons... or just go bigger and make the back seat a "shelf"... just thinking out loud.

Cris@JCG

08-28-2012, 08:57 PM

Purpose for putting the gas tank in front of the axle is to distribute the weight towards the center of the car.. & maintain the center of gravity in the middle.. Plus I don't want all that weight swinging back their.. With a LS motor I will get decent gas milage... Just got a new LS3 crate motor!

Chris I love the dual tank idea. I have alway's hated the time bomb in the back of these old cars.

Lotus has a similar set up and I had considered using it on the 70 but I didn't want to sacrfice the rear seat. If you cut in the rear seat area you might be able to get a few more gallons. heck if your running a LS and get two 6 gallon tanks you would still get close to 200 miles out of the tanks which is simlar to my Wonderful 5.3 Tahoe.

What about a tank that would go over the hump in the back seat? That should get you a couple of more gallons... or just go bigger and make the back seat a "shelf"... just thinking out loud.

Autokraft

08-28-2012, 09:17 PM

C5 vettes have dual tanls in the same location. Looks great Chris

SLO_Z28

08-29-2012, 11:39 PM

C5 vettes have dual tanls in the same location. Looks great Chris

^This. Id be willing to bet if you fabbed it right you could even run the C5 pumps. Ill have to run by and talk about it, lord knows ive changed about 500 or more fuel pumps in C5's. This is actually a very cool, and good design for a number of reasons.

Garage Dog 65

08-30-2012, 06:34 AM

C5 vettes have dual tanls in the same location. Looks great Chris

New Caddy and new Camaro also use the C5/C6 concept with a much better pump/bucket/sump idea. Pontiac G8GT uses same. Vaporworx kit uses the same camaro pump. Carl will hook ya up with the best info.

Jim

Cris@JCG

08-30-2012, 07:58 AM

2005 Mustangs have the same concept but it is on one tank.. I had already been talking to Carl about this.. Basically said don't worry about it.. we will get it to work.. I have the whole idea in my head by now got to get fabricating the the tanks... We will build the tank out of aluminum...

Here is one we built for the 70 Mustang..

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C5 vettes have dual tanls in the same location. Looks great Chris

^This. Id be willing to bet if you fabbed it right you could even run the C5 pumps. Ill have to run by and talk about it, lord knows ive changed about 500 or more fuel pumps in C5's. This is actually a very cool, and good design for a number of reasons.

New Caddy and new Camaro also use the C5/C6 concept with a much better pump/bucket/sump idea. Pontiac G8GT uses same. Vaporworx kit uses the same camaro pump. Carl will hook ya up with the best info.

Jim

Cris@JCG

10-25-2012, 08:04 PM

One of the key pcs to my front suspension is the use of the C6 Corvette upright.. So I sat down & did a cost analysis of what all the components were going to cost me to buy & machine.. not cheap.. So we are making our own upright.. steering arm will be built into it, dual taper serviceable hub bearings, our own hub, & provisions for rotor ducting.. Currently my engineer is working doing a FEA & analysis.. Then my machinist will look @ the design for cost & optimization..

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Ron in SoCal

10-25-2012, 08:59 PM

Chris...you are a rebel :captain:

IIisbetter

10-25-2012, 09:24 PM

I love test cars!!
We all benefit. Thanks Chris!!

The WidowMaker

10-25-2012, 09:31 PM

wow. youre insane. if it doesnt exist, you make it and we all benefit. gotta love it!

Nessumsar

10-26-2012, 11:09 AM

Once again, amazing stuff is going on at JGC. :bow:

Have you guys made any more progress on the dual fuel tanks?

Cris@JCG

10-28-2012, 09:17 AM

I will be working on building those here pretty soon!

Once again, amazing stuff is going on at JGC. :bow:

Have you guys made any more progress on the dual fuel tanks?

68KMARO

10-28-2012, 12:00 PM

Great work as always. I will be following this build like all of your builds. Thanks for all the info, you the man!!!!!

rich

Cris@JCG

11-20-2012, 11:03 AM

Another version of our upright with the steering arm built into it.. this what we will building the next few weeks... Plus I got this crazy idea that I will be working on soon for this upright.. all I am saying right now is welded GN snouts!!

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Cris@JCG

11-20-2012, 11:16 AM

Currently we are building revision 2 on the sub-frame... Got the rear suspension components cut... got some tub & trunk work done...

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57hemicuda

11-21-2012, 06:05 AM

Wow Chris, its like de'javu. I had those exact uprights rolling around in my head, GN snouts and all. I guess brilliant minds.LOL

Cris@JCG

11-25-2012, 11:58 AM

Ron- This year @ Optima was like it was full blown racing.. So now we work towards applying some of the Asphalt racing technology in what we do.. I have three new items in design right now that will be a bit different that I will be implimenting in my suspension stuff..

Great hanging out with you & Payton this year @ SEMA.. I will see ya soon @ the Mid-West events for 2013! We can share some more brilliant ideas! :D :unibrow:

Wow Chris, its like de'javu. I had those exact uprights rolling around in my head, GN snouts and all. I guess brilliant minds.LOL

blazer1970

11-25-2012, 06:48 PM

Subscribed....nice work.

ProPont

11-25-2012, 08:51 PM

I enjoy following all of your builds and your craftsmanship. Do you happen to sell the welded in roll bar firewall braces? It would be great if I could get a set.

Cris@JCG

11-26-2012, 07:54 PM

Thank you for the props!

Funny you should ask about the flanges... I will be ordering material tomorrow for the machine shop to make us some more.. Check back with us in a few weeks.. I finally found somebody that can help with selling of our products.. I have way to many things going on & cannot fully dedicate to the selling of our components.. Brian will be starting next week helping with promoting our store & plus will be helping out in the shop finishing cars.. He will introduce himself next week..

I enjoy following all of your builds and your craftsmanship. Do you happen to sell the welded in roll bar firewall braces? It would be great if I could get a set.

ProPont

11-26-2012, 10:12 PM

Awesome Cris, I will contact you in a few weeks. :thumbsup

Cris@JCG

01-05-2013, 04:59 PM

Today's project.. Still have lots more ahead of use but will be worth it in the end.. The fender extensions, spoiler, & splitter will me out of some composite material.. these are just the molds.. Borrowed this 67 for mock up!

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The challenge is doing the transfer from the extension to the spoiler.. end goal is to just run the spoiler by itself or with the splitter...

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Flash68

01-05-2013, 06:08 PM

That's exactly the shape of spoiler I want. Looks great. Ok how much? :lol:

randy

01-05-2013, 06:10 PM

That's exactly the shape of spoiler I want. Looks great. Ok how much? :lol:

lol i was just saying this the other day about my car too lol

ccracin

01-05-2013, 07:41 PM

I was going to say the same thing...

...then I remembered that I already did...

Wait I'm confused, is this your car? I thought it was at BOS?

James OLC

01-05-2013, 07:51 PM

Edited.

My car is indeed at Best of Show.

Cris@JCG

01-05-2013, 08:04 PM

Let me get further ahead & see who can make a few for me.. then I will let you know.. I need to make sure you can get replacements cause you will break them going in your driveway!

That's exactly the shape of spoiler I want. Looks great. Ok how much? :lol:

Cris@JCG

01-05-2013, 08:13 PM

James- The base start of this will look similar to the first one you did on OLC.. The driving force behind this spoiler is that Carl Casanova wants this for his car for the recent upgrades.. I did tell him that I would start this way but in the end it will have to look the way I want it to.. plus the function has to be optimal.. Plus I need to be able to apply it to other builds that I have for the shop..

I will be honest with you about one thing.. The first time I saw OLC @ SEMA .. It is what caught my attention to build Pro-Tour Camaro's .. The work & detail just blew my mind away.. :thumbsup:

Edited.

My car is indeed at Best of Show.

James OLC

01-05-2013, 09:06 PM

It's all good Chris.

Carl's track record suggests that his is going to need to have some strength behind it; maybe his should be done out of 1/4" - just in case... :unibrow:

And thanks.

CarlC

01-05-2013, 09:14 PM

Your's held up just fine to that innocent little Bambi.....

Cris@JCG

01-07-2013, 02:32 PM

You might have a good chance of picking just about everything on the road..

Todays status... My number priority is the function of the spoiler.. We kinda used what they did on a 70 Trans Am... But the goal was to deflect the air away from the tire...

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3033.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3035.jpg

Your's held up just fine to that innocent little Bambi.....

carbuff

01-07-2013, 03:36 PM

I'm not sure if I'm aerodynamically knowledgeable enough to crticize, but I'll try anyway... ;)

Aren't you going to be adding drag by flaring the spoiler out away from the car? In other words, wouldn't it be better to have reverse the curve such that it was rounded towards the tire instead of out and away from the car? If seems like if it was a curve towards the tire then it would help direct the air down the side of the car.

By doing it the way in which you have, you will create a turbulent spot behind that spoiler right there at the tire. I don't know if that creates any kind of problem, but at a bare minimum, flowing air right down the side of the tire could only help in at least removing heat from the braking area, right?

Just a thought after looking at the picture... Can you educate me otherwise if I'm completely off base please? :)

Cris@JCG

01-07-2013, 04:01 PM

Take a look @ this attached picture... & see if you can envision how it is deflecting & & creating down force.. I will come back later tonight to answer your questions..

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/vemp_1103_012006_chevrolet_corvette_z06.jpg

I'm not sure if I'm aerodynamically knowledgeable enough to crticize, but I'll try anyway... ;)

Aren't you going to be adding drag by flaring the spoiler out away from the car? In other words, wouldn't it be better to have reverse the curve such that it was rounded towards the tire instead of out and away from the car? If seems like if it was a curve towards the tire then it would help direct the air down the side of the car.

By doing it the way in which you have, you will create a turbulent spot behind that spoiler right there at the tire. I don't know if that creates any kind of problem, but at a bare minimum, flowing air right down the side of the tire could only help in at least removing heat from the braking area, right?

Just a thought after looking at the picture... Can you educate me otherwise if I'm completely off base please? :)

syborg tt

01-07-2013, 04:41 PM

I learned alot for Troy when they took Blowfish to the Wind Tunel and what they thought would work didn't and what they ended up with was about a 1/16 of what they started with. In the end the only way anyone will know if a front air dam, spoiler or rocker skirts work is to get the car in a wind tunnel. Which is very very expensive.

In the case of the Blow Fish - less was better.

However on a Side Note: I really like the look and can't wait to see it in Carbon Fiber.

dontlifttoshift

01-07-2013, 04:51 PM

01-07-2013, 05:03 PM

Looks great. Can't wait to see the final product.

carbuff

01-07-2013, 06:43 PM

Cris@JCG

01-07-2013, 07:37 PM

Bryan- Its all good.. I am in a big learning curve right now myself with what I am doing on this spoiler..

Earlier I got off the phone with Ben Hermance & we were discussing the difference between new cars vs. old.. The newer cars have boxier look on the bottoms or squared off that it makes it difficult to mess with classic lines of Muscle cars.. Today I was thinking how a Camaro would like with a nose cone like the one Mopar did with the Daytona.. LOL! No matter what we do.. We have a challenge..

What I spent looking @ this weekend was different configurations of spoiler designs.. The one that kept popping up was the one they did for 70 & up Trans Ams that would conform to the way the 68 Camaro was designed on the fender extensions to the lower valance.. Take into consideration that we cut up the fender extension so that it would square up a bit instead of radius in so sharp.. This is how I see things in my head.. If I can keep the air away from hitting or deflect it away the front tire it will create less drag.. the front fender extension for the spoiler or tire deflector.. don’t have a firm name for it yet.. It is made of two pcs.. where it mounts on the wheel well opening it is flat with a radius.. the front side is has an angle so that when the air hits it .. it tries to find a way to deflect or push it out to the sides.. I tried to capture a picture of it but it is not being very photogenic.. let me get further with some more fabrication.. try to envision a spoiler extension on a Trans Am.. That is how we did it but with a twist to it..

In the end .. will it work? I hope so or at least help it some.. Maybe we can get Marty to spring for some wind tunnel time!

Cris,

Thanx for the picture. I think I can actually see why the Vette does make downforce on the corners. It almost looks like the curve rolls down before it attaches to the splitter.

But looking at the piece on the Camaro, at the angles of the pictures at least, it doesn't look like that piece in front of the tire angles back down before where it will attach. It's hard to tell without it all assembled though.

Not trying to be critical, just wanting to learn.

Thanx!

Cris@JCG

01-07-2013, 07:51 PM

here is a better shot of the side view... I think :D

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3038.jpg

A friend of mine called me earlier & said the corners looked like something out of the Batmobile... So here it is with a radius @ the bottom corner..

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3039.jpg

Blake Foster

01-07-2013, 08:23 PM

Looks like an over sized 78 Trans Am spoiler and wheel flairs. :thumbsup:

snappytravis

01-07-2013, 08:47 PM

Cris, I would like to see your car with front spoiler, vs a stock camaro in the wind tunnell, I am workin on 69 also and thought of trying to incorporate newer technology into the old one. Like you said the body shapes are so different, Look at the bottom of a dodge viper sometime they have a plate that covers the bottom of the car that helps control airflow. Also the vette pics I read once that the rear spoiler puts 1000 lbs on the rear of the viper. I am not a big fan of the big spoiler on the back but that would make a big difference in the 50/50 weight, anyway looks good keep after it you will get it!

Ron in SoCal

01-07-2013, 10:19 PM

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3039.jpg

Menawhile, as all us car guys are debating windtunnel performance of batwing spoilers and the strength of fabricated uprights....when did the car get a blower motor? Did I miss something??

Cris@JCG

01-07-2013, 10:46 PM

Thanks Blake! thinking about doing it to all four corners of the car.. what you think? you got a good eye for this stuff

Looks like an over sized 78 Trans Am spoiler and wheel flairs. :thumbsup:

We will see how it all works.. Plans are for some type of blade spoiler for the rear..

Cris, I would like to see your car with front spoiler, vs a stock camaro in the wind tunnell, I am workin on 69 also and thought of trying to incorporate newer technology into the old one. Like you said the body shapes are so different, Look at the bottom of a dodge viper sometime they have a plate that covers the bottom of the car that helps control airflow. Also the vette pics I read once that the rear spoiler puts 1000 lbs on the rear of the viper. I am not a big fan of the big spoiler on the back but that would make a big difference in the 50/50 weight, anyway looks good keep after it you will get it!

Nothing gets by you Ron.. You know all the threads by memory! :lol: This car is a 67 that I borrowed to make our front spolier/splitter..

Menawhile, as all us car guys are debating windtunnel performance of batwing spoilers and the strength of fabricated uprights....when did the car get a blower motor? Did I miss something??

Payton King

01-08-2013, 01:38 PM

Do you plan on putting a splitter on it as well or leaving as is?

Cris@JCG

01-08-2013, 03:41 PM

We are doing a splitter for it too! here is what it is looking like so far... Plus Carl Casnova came in today to look @ the design & give us some ideas for some testing...

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/185795_493852580657478_1854663107_n.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/603131_493852583990811_1382616205_n.jpg

Do you plan on putting a splitter on it as well or leaving as is?

Al Moreno

01-08-2013, 05:42 PM

Looking good Cris! Definitely going to give it a road racie feel. Good on you for pushing the envelope and us out of the comfort zone :thumbsup:

Rod P

01-08-2013, 08:09 PM

Looks great guys! are you leaving it aluminum/steel using it as a mold/plug for carbon or fiberglass? I know that the off the shelf one is close to the look you have :cheers:

Cris@JCG

01-08-2013, 08:23 PM

Rod- This is a steel pcs for a mold to be pulled off..

Looks great guys! are you leaving it aluminum/steel using it as a mold/plug for carbon or fiberglass? I know that the off the shelf one is close to the look you have :cheers:

Bryce

01-09-2013, 07:53 AM

If I had a camaro I would buy that!

Sieg

01-09-2013, 08:15 AM

Looking good Chris. :thumbsup: Considering an element for the front of the rear wheel opening?

http://www.firebirdfever.com/images/70taiii.jpg

Cris@JCG

01-09-2013, 09:00 AM

Thanks Bryce!

If I had a camaro I would buy that!

Let's just say that Ben Hermance is working on the rendering to see how a rocker extension will look to cover the wheel well openings.. Tough though.. We don't want to take the classic look away..

Looking good Chris. :thumbsup: Considering an element for the front of the rear wheel opening?

http://www.firebirdfever.com/images/70taiii.jpg

Cris@JCG

01-09-2013, 09:09 AM

These two cars are giving me some ideas for 67-68 Camaros...

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/551927_10151105538022192_1734441034_n.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/hurwich-az-1a-640x364.jpg

Sieg

01-09-2013, 09:58 AM

Tough though.. We don't want to take the classic look away..Agreed, definitely not easy to get it "right" but if you can pull it off it could be very good in a retro-blend way. Those '70 TA's have captivated my eye since they first hit the showroom floor and they continue to do so. :thumbsup:

Payton King

01-09-2013, 01:18 PM

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/DTM.jpg

syborg tt

01-09-2013, 01:22 PM

Chris

What kind of car is this ?

These two cars are giving me some ideas for 67-68 Camaros...

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/551927_10151105538022192_1734441034_n.jpg

syborg tt

01-09-2013, 01:25 PM

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/DTM.jpg

Heck if you want I can sell you a brand new 2010 Challenger Body in White so you can have JCG build it for you. Cheep $5500.00

Gandalf

01-09-2013, 02:02 PM

Heck if you want I can sell you a brand new 2010 Challenger Body in White so you can have JCG build it for you. Cheep $5500.00

Somebody needs to do this!!!
G.

carbuff

01-09-2013, 02:08 PM

I think it's a 240/260/280 Z, but I'd love to see some more info on it!

Chris

What kind of car is this ?

sniper

01-09-2013, 06:45 PM

Chris

What kind of car is this ?

Nissan 280Z

Cris@JCG

02-16-2013, 06:40 PM

We finally got to build our uprights for our suspension! Our weld fixture worked great & took about 45 minutes to fix & weld the first prototype.. I have a car that we will be bolting them to in a few weeks to test & proof the prototype.. Some Blu car that I got lurking around the shop..:D

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3134_zps592e8cd0.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3135_zps3ede4844.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3136_zpsd844df4f.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3137_zps652bbb7f.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3138_zpse1a98494.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3139_zps6ddb5750.jpg

snappytravis

02-16-2013, 07:00 PM

Are you going to run abs system?

snappytravis

02-16-2013, 07:04 PM

Cris@JCG

03-31-2013, 01:39 PM

sorry guys I have been away for awhile... but it has been crazy busy here @ the shop... We have currently shifted in what we are doing here @ the shop.. Still building custom cars but got the race bug! Thanks Karl! Currently have a rendering going with some kinda crazy race inspired/street car going right now... TAZ Camaro has me thinking... Looking @ doing some crazy flares... We will build the front fenders to get them molded for CF or fiberglass & build some kinda bolt on rear flare..

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/FLARE_TEST_zpse1b7e013.jpg

Here is a pic of our new hood mold!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3274_zpsaaefc54b.jpg

SuperB70

03-31-2013, 01:49 PM

Are you going to run abs system?

That or/and use it for tracktion control, high end ECUs use all four wheel sensors to measure/ calculate wheel spin.

Look great, its a shame that we here in Europe cant run with those.

64pontiac

03-31-2013, 02:04 PM

Looking good Cris! Always taking things farther eh? Just curious though, were aluminum spindles not good enough? What kind of geometry changes did you make to justify the time? They look awesome, just curious! I knwo you always have a reason for doing stuff!

village idiot

03-31-2013, 03:11 PM

Here is a pic of our new hood mold!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3274_zpsaaefc54b.jpg

Will those become production pieces for sale to us mere mortals?

GRob

03-31-2013, 06:00 PM

Love that hood - will you make it in cf?

Nessumsar

04-01-2013, 10:58 AM

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/FLARE_TEST_zpse1b7e013.jpg

Yummy! Now thats what i'm talking about.

syborg tt

04-01-2013, 11:13 AM

Okay so what are your plans with these and what is going to be different from stock ?

We finally got to build our uprights for our suspension! Our weld fixture worked great & took about 45 minutes to fix & weld the first prototype.. I have a car that we will be bolting them to in a few weeks to test & proof the prototype.. Some Blu car that I got lurking around the shop..:D

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3134_zps592e8cd0.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3135_zps3ede4844.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3136_zpsd844df4f.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3137_zps652bbb7f.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3138_zpse1a98494.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3139_zps6ddb5750.jpg

Cris@JCG

04-01-2013, 08:46 PM

I have no logical explanation why we did these spindles.. It was just a challenging project for us to do.. J/K.. It has to do with cost.. When I priced out the GM spindles with the manufacturing of the steering arm.. It was expensive.. SO we just went ahead & designed our own C6 Upright.. It maintains the stock geometry but has our steering arm built into it for our suspension.. Right now I am waiting for these new ball joints that should be available soon that will have a steel pivot ball instead of a nylon that comes stock in the C6 upright plus has a grease zert fitting.. Plus I can make my own pin so that I can do dual tapped bearings with aluminum hubs.. Then we can have the great debate about steel vs aluminum.. Yes my steel spindles will be a bit heavier than the GM aluminum ones.. but I have my reason why I prefer the steel ones instead .. The bottom line I just have always wanted to do a spindle project since I saw the ones Mike Maiers did for Brian’s car.. Now I know more about how GM made their uprights.. press fit of ball joints.. tapers on the ball joints & their bearing packs..

Looking good Cris! Always taking things farther eh? Just curious though, were aluminum spindles not good enough? What kind of geometry changes did you make to justify the time? They look awesome, just curious! I knwo you always have a reason for doing stuff!

Okay so what are your plans with these and what is going to be different from stock ?

Cris@JCG

04-01-2013, 08:51 PM

I will make some hoods but not @ high production runs.. Their is talk about a master pattern.. more molds to make more than one hood @ a time.. but that takes $$$.. I am just making parts out of composite for what I want on some of my builds .. If I can sell a few pcs.. that will be good.. but do not want to get involved in selling a full line of composite parts..

Will those become production pieces for sale to us mere mortals?

We will be making one out of CF this week!

Love that hood - will you make it in cf?

64pontiac

04-02-2013, 07:21 AM

How the heck do you find time to do all this!!! It's cool to see you pursue the track stuff heavily....something a bit different!

Keep it up! Gotta say though, how come you haven't re-engineered a dipstick yet?!??!?!? :ohsnap: (Inside joke....)

syborg tt

04-02-2013, 07:59 AM

I think that pretty much sums up why we all here. None of us really need to build these cars but it pretty cool that we do.

I have no logical explanation why we did these spindles.. It was just a challenging project for us to do.. J/K.. It has to do with cost.. When I priced out the GM spindles with the manufacturing of the steering arm.. It was expensive.. SO we just went ahead & designed our own C6 Upright.. It maintains the stock geometry but has our steering arm built into it for our suspension.. Right now I am waiting for these new ball joints that should be available soon that will have a steel pivot ball instead of a nylon that comes stock in the C6 upright plus has a grease zert fitting.. Plus I can make my own pin so that I can do dual tapped bearings with aluminum hubs.. Then we can have the great debate about steel vs aluminum.. Yes my steel spindles will be a bit heavier than the GM aluminum ones.. but I have my reason why I prefer the steel ones instead .. The bottom line I just have always wanted to do a spindle project since I saw the ones Mike Maiers did for Brian’s car.. Now I know more about how GM made their uprights.. press fit of ball joints.. tapers on the ball joints & their bearing packs..

preston

04-02-2013, 01:37 PM

So how much do those steel uprights weigh ?

I *think* the stock ones are as light as 6 lbs with ball joint ?

dontlifttoshift

04-03-2013, 06:18 AM

Cris, am I seeing that right or are my eyes playing tricks. The main section of the upright where the hub would bolt up, It looks like there is an inner and outer plate that sandwiches another plate in the middle. So three pieces making up that thickness there?

Cris@JCG

04-04-2013, 01:34 PM

I will soon be doing weight comparison..

So how much do those steel uprights weigh ?

I *think* the stock ones are as light as 6 lbs with ball joint ?

Donny- it is 3 pcs.. reason for doing this is make all steel pcs inter-lock for tying in all pcs...

Cris, am I seeing that right or are my eyes playing tricks. The main section of the upright where the hub would bolt up, It looks like there is an inner and outer plate that sandwiches another plate in the middle. So three pieces making up that thickness there?