I really hope a TRUE muscle car wins the OUSCI in 2012

[Flash68]

I'm not lookin to be a sh!t starter here but I check out the autoX/road race section at Vetteforum fairly often and.....

Here's the Vette guys patting themselves on the back....

and a little cheap shot at Sielow by Popp in there too.... classy. :rolleyes:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/autocrossing-and-roadracing/3008059-corvette-ftw-optima-ousci-on-speed-today.html

[Vegas69]

Being fast in a Corvette is like getting rich from winning the lottery. (Insert Jack Off Emoticon):D

[JustinB]

Jody's post shut them up. Lol!

[Sieg]

I'm not lookin to be a sh!t starter here but I check out the autoX/road race section at Vetteforum fairly often and.....

Here's the Vette guys patting themselves on the back....

and a little cheap shot at Sielow by Popp in there too.... classy. :rolleyes:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/autocrossing-and-roadracing/3008059-corvette-ftw-optima-ousci-on-speed-today.html
If I ever start autographing my car, somebody shoot me.....

How Corvettish of him. :rolleyes:

[SLO_Z28]

Thread must have been cleaned up? I dont see anything wrong. Danny won, by a lot, and it was his driving that got him there.

[sik68]

Well maybe he wouldn't autograph his own car, but that doesn't mean he isn't considering autographing someone else's car. :lol:

If anyone can dethrone, it's Stielow and this new build he has brewing.

Dave, you down to go to OUSCI this year dressed like devils? :willy: :willy:

[Flash68]

Well maybe he wouldn't autograph his own car, but that doesn't mean he isn't considering autographing someone else's car. :lol:

If anyone can dethrone, it's Stielow and this new build he has brewing.

Dave, you down to go to OUSCI this year dressed like devils? :willy: :willy:

When you write and publish a book many people want to read and buy, you are autograph worthy IMO. :thumbsup:

And I am calling Stielow's 67 an early favorite. :unibrow:

[fleetus macmullitz]

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Originally Posted by Jason http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:forums.corvetteforum.com/get/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/autocrossing-and-roadracing/3008059-corvette-ftw-optima-ousci-on-speed-today-2.html#post1580162728)
Wonder how many cars will show up with hired finds behind the wheel next year?

only the car owner or builder (must have done 70% + of the mods to the car) can qualify. No pro drivers. Apparently Danny met the 70% qualification since it wasn't his car.

Quote:
10) The registered owner or builder of record must drive the vehicle during all events. Builder of record must be an identified individual that is not a professional driver. Builders of record must be identified and approved by OPTIMA before 10/15/2010. No competitive professional drivers will be allowed to compete for awards or the Ultimate Street Car title. As a rule of thumb, the builder of record must have had responsibility for at least 70% of all modifications to the vehicle. A painter, suspension tuner or motor builder is not considered to be a builder of record if they performed only those specific duties on the vehicle. A person who completed ALL of those duties may be considered the builder of record. If the owner of the vehicle is the person who contracted the build through many vendors then the owner is the builder of record. Typically the only person who qualifies as the builder of record is the owner or manager of a shop who modified the vehicle into its current condition from the condition in which it was purchased.
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Jody

[ironworks]

Being fast in a Corvette is like getting rich from winning the lottery. (Insert Jack Off Emoticon):D

So your going to play that card. Just buying any car does not make you fast. You have to put the time in behind the wheel. Driving school would help 90% of the field at these events before one fancy ass part will do anything to anyone to make then actually know what they are doing.

If someone in this industry went out with a purpose built car for this event and knew how to drive they could really show guys what's up. Stielow and Kyle tucker and a few others are doing what they can with a 1st or 2nd Gen Camaro. But they have limited themselves to what can be done when DSE is doing what they can with parts they can sell to bolt on to every Camaro that was never designed to do what they are doing with them under the limitations a 69 Camaro is going to have. When you go buy a new Corvette, the technology difference between a Corvette and a covered wagon is about the same as a 69 Camaro and new Corvette. Sure they probably make more new parts for the that 69 Camaro to get it closer to the Vette. You can listen to all the marketing hype all day long, But the problem is your still trying to race that "1969" Camaro. The low end Vette comes stock with tires, a Camaro needs crazy special parts to fit. The sheetmetal over hang on the Camaro is 10 times more then a C6 Vette. The fuel tank position sucks in a Camaro. The aero package of a Vette is far more advanced then a Camaro. The unsprung weight of the aluminum control arms is far superior.

The 1969 Camaro will kill the vette everyday of the week in Visual appeal. Until some one does what lay Brian Hobaugh did with his and probably go further, Then with a top notch driver with a tested and tuned car will you ever see it. From what I know Brian is an autocross guy and more points are put on the road course at the Optima deal. Somebody needs to completely rethink a Camaro, and really learn how to drive. Then it will happen.

But at what point will it not be a "STREET CAR"?

[Vegas69]

It was a jab back at the competition. Naturally, a modern Z06 Vette gives me a huge advantage over my Camaro before driving skill comes into play. There is no disputing that. I couldn't do it in a Z06 so I'm not taking anythign away from the winner. I'm simply saying the cards are stacked in one direction.

[ironworks]

It was a jab back at the competition. Naturally, a modern Z06 Vette gives me a huge advantage over my Camaro before driving skill comes into play. There is no disputing that. I couldn't do it in a Z06 so I'm not taking anythign away from the winner. I'm simply saying the cards are stacked in one direction.

The cards are only stacked because you choose to stack them that way.

[Flash68]

Rodger, I didn't realize you owned a Vette. :P

[fleetus macmullitz]

Rodger, I didn't realize you owned a Vette. :P

Who's sorry they sold their C4 now? :unibrow:

[Flash68]

Who's sorry they sold their C4 now? :unibrow:

Umm... Todd? :D

[73CPCAMARO]

So your going to play that card. Just buying any car does not make you fast. You have to put the time in behind the wheel. Driving school would help 90% of the field at these events before one fancy ass part will do anything to anyone to make then actually know what they are doing.

If someone in this industry went out with a purpose built car for this event and knew how to drive they could really show guys what's up. Stielow and Kyle tucker and a few others are doing what they can with a 1st or 2nd Gen Camaro. But they have limited themselves to what can be done when DSE is doing what they can with parts they can sell to bolt on to every Camaro that was never designed to do what they are doing with them under the limitations a 69 Camaro is going to have. When you go buy a new Corvette, the technology difference between a Corvette and a covered wagon is about the same as a 69 Camaro and new Corvette. Sure they probably make more new parts for the that 69 Camaro to get it closer to the Vette. You can listen to all the marketing hype all day long, But the problem is your still trying to race that "1969" Camaro. The low end Vette comes stock with tires, a Camaro needs crazy special parts to fit. The sheetmetal over hang on the Camaro is 10 times more then a C6 Vette. The fuel tank position sucks in a Camaro. The aero package of a Vette is far more advanced then a Camaro. The unsprung weight of the aluminum control arms is far superior.

The 1969 Camaro will kill the vette everyday of the week in Visual appeal. Until some one does what lay Brian Hobaugh did with his and probably go further, Then with a top notch driver with a tested and tuned car will you ever see it. From what I know Brian is an autocross guy and more points are put on the road course at the Optima deal. Somebody needs to completely rethink a Camaro, and really learn how to drive. Then it will happen.

But at what point will it not be a "STREET CAR"?

I will chime in here and give you my $.02. The only way an older car will come close to Danny in his borrowed Corvette or anything like it is to build a car like mine, Steilows, or Bad Penny type. Danny is an incredible driver with a well preppared Corvette.

I don't like to give excuses, but, the format for OUSCI and the autocross was stacked against me, Mike Maier, and a everyone else that had to run first. I was one of the first 5 cars out in the morning. About 25 cars were in each group and we were told to run in decending order per our car number. I was number 47 of 52 cars. Danny was #14 and Mary was #15. I believe Danny was the just about the last car to run before Mark Steilow, who went last in the first group. When I ran, the course was still wet in places and very dirty. By the time Danny ran, the course was dry, warmer, and cleaner. I am not saying I would have beat him, but I would have been right there with him.

My car was and still is in the tuning stage. By the end of this summer, my car will be much faster than it was at OUSCI 2011. It already is.

As long as newer cars like the Corvette and Nissan GTR are involved in the same competition, the only way the older cars can compete is to radically change the car towards "race car" IMOP. Lighter, faster, major suspension change.

Brian

[Flash68]

Brian, just go beat him this year so we can all be happy. :D

[73CPCAMARO]

Brian, just go beat him this year so we can all be happy. :D

I would love to represent the "True Muscle Car" group.

[ironworks]

I will chime in here and give you my $.02. The only way an older car will come close to Danny in his borrowed Corvette or anything like it is to build a car like mine, Steilows, or Bad Penny type. Danny is an incredible driver with a well preppared Corvette.

I don't like to give excuses, but, the format for OUSCI and the autocross was stacked against me, Mike Maier, and a everyone else that had to run first. I was one of the first 5 cars out in the morning. About 25 cars were in each group and we were told to run in decending order per our car number. I was number 47 of 52 cars. Danny was #14 and Mary was #15. I believe Danny was the just about the last car to run before Mark Steilow, who went last in the first group. When I ran, the course was still wet in places and very dirty. By the time Danny ran, the course was dry, warmer, and cleaner. I am not saying I would have beat him, but I would have been right there with him.

My car was and still is in the tuning stage. By the end of this summer, my car will be much faster than it was at OUSCI 2011. It already is.

As long as newer cars like the Corvette and Nissan GTR are involved in the same competition, the only way the older cars can compete is to radically change the car towards "race car" IMOP. Lighter, faster, major suspension change.

Brian

Brian I agree 100%. I hope you take to offense to what I said. I think your car after 1-2 years of testing would be awesome at this event. It almost takes more time to sort them then build them. I love orange 2nd gens and would love to see you take the deal.

I would also say it's going to take more then an assortment of the best Bolt on parts. It's going to take a full on purpose built car with lots if Head scratching problem solving. The bar is getting raised every year and will require a pretty sharp pencil.

[Vegas69]

What's this would stuff? Brian did kick some ass. :thumbsup:

[Sieg]

I would love to represent the "True Muscle Car" group.

http://vasimpleservices.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/nike-just-do-it.jpg

:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Do ya think a '62 hopper would stand a chance?? :rofl: :D

[89 RS]

Don't get me wrong, but if somebody offered me a brand new Corvette I would take it in a heartbeat. HOWEVER, building musclecars like those that can compete with the likes of modern Corvettes and GTRs is the ultimate "cool" factor for me. Brian and Mark's Camaros are freakin badazz, that's all I can say. :thumbsup:

[skatinjay27]

I would love to represent the "True Muscle Car" group.then youll need windows!:lol:

[DFRESH]

Man, after reading the posts on that Corvette site, I remain greatful for this site and the open mindedness of the people here. Maybe it was the way I read those posts, but they sounded a bit arrogant and mostly out of touch with reality---except Danny's post where our old cars were actually given some credit. I hope that small demographic of posters doesn't represent the Corvette population at large---however, some of the Vette owers at Cars and Coffee close by to me haven't done much to change the sterotype unfortuanetly. They really seem to have tunnel vision and only respect one brand/make---I'm wondering if this is because it's all they really know? I have to remind myself sometimes that in reality there are very few PT cars that actually make it to the track and are run as hard as they can be. I would imagine that very few of these vette owners have seen some of our best do what they are capable of. I would have thought that after watching the event, they would show some respect. I hate to say it, but it is making me really want to take the drag car and covert it into a 90% race only X-Treme PT car---of course, then I would really have to learn how to race on a road course and auto X--:lol:

D

[fleetus macmullitz]

I hope that small demographic of posters doesn't represent the Corvette population at large---however, some of the Vette owers at Cars and Coffee close by to me haven't done much to change the sterotype unfortuanetly. They really seem to have tunnel vision and only respect one brand/make---I'm wondering if this is because it's all they really know?

As Cliff Huxtable's daughter Denise once explained to him "The world is closed."

:lol:

And it gets worse, I read on that same forum the C6 guys won't even return the C3 guys 'Corvette' wave!

:woot:

[Vegas69]

The proper term would be Douche Bag.:D

[Van B]

I had a pretty cool C5 a few years ago. Cam, headers, Fikse wheels... I was sitting at a red light one day with my window down when a car came by me in the left turn lane and the guy yellled, "nice car a$$hole". I can only imagine that he had encountered some of the CorvetteForums members prior to that day.

The Corvette world is a whole other place in this universe. :willy:

The Camaro later consumed the money from the C5 and a few other toys...

[DFRESH]

I had a pretty cool C5 a few years ago. Cam, headers, Fikse wheels... I was sitting at a red light one day with my window down when a car came by me in the left turn lane and the guy yellled, "nice car a$$hole". I can only imagine that he had encountered some of the CorvetteForums members prior to that day.

The Corvette world is a whole other place in this universe. :willy:

The Camaro later consumed the money from the C5 and a few other toys...


LOL---as my 6 year old daughter says---"For Reals"? That's like the ultimate back handed complement.

I don't want to believe it, but reality forces me too. I reread the thread again and man---they have some pretty large egos over there---I wonder if you went to the Porsche site if it would only get worse---ask Weld, he's got one.

D

[Matt@BOS]

LOL---as my 6 year old daughter says---"For Reals"? That's like the ultimate back handed complement.

I don't want to believe it, but reality forces me too. I reread the thread again and man---they have some pretty large egos over there---I wonder if you went to the Porsche site if it would only get worse---ask Weld, he's got one.

D

I still think late model Camaro and Mustang guys are worse, on average. I know you spent some quality time making friends with the Camaro 5 guys on the way to Arizona. On my Mustang I have tinted windows... because I'm almost embarrassed to be seen :lol:

Matt

[Vegas69]

:lol:

[DFRESH]

I still think late model Camaro and Mustang guys are worse, on average. I know you spent some quality time making friends with the Camaro 5 guys on the way to Arizona. On my Mustang I have tinted windows... because I'm almost embarrassed to be seen :lol:

Matt

You may be right Matt---yeah, quality time indeed. I guess i'm just surprised that they (Vette owners or any others) can't appreciate other makes/models or give credit to the fact that a 69 Camaro was actually in the hunt at Optima. I typically appreciate anything on the race track that's fast. If it looks good doing so, then I tend to love it even more. More than that, I can begin to appreciate the level of driver Mark S is and how well his car is put together since it was close to Danny's. I do love many of the Vette's i've seen ---Tony's (9 Ball) Vette that recently sold was one of my all time favorites--would love to have that car. I just happen to love 69 Camaro's over all others, but don't think they are the best cars on the planet for road racing, auto crossing, etc. I know from the stand point of physics, it just makes sense that a Vette out of the box is much more suited for actual track action--and obviously these guys are aware of their superiority in brand. Once again, it just took me a bit by surprise that they are that ego driven and so outspoken about it. Really turns me off from ever owning one. When I went to C&C this morning to help hand out fliers for RTTC. A guy took a flyer from me and said the following "It's just a bunch of old cars running around the track? All they are going to do is overheat and spew water everywhere--that's all they ever do--that's lame--and I supose you have one of these cars right?". I tried to explain to him that nowadays you can really up the game by swaping out to vette inspired suspension front and rear and that many of the cars run very fast. I asked him to at least come out to see for himself to which he responded "Why would I want to waste my time watching slow cars retrofitted with parts that make it a wanna be Vette?". Now, he had a friend, and they were both wearing those bright orange little driving shoes--and typically I wouldn't go there, but today was a special day as I am a bit burned out from life these past few months--(I should mention that the combined height of these fellows was about 6'5) so when he handed me back the flyer and said "Here, give it to someone who cares and good luck not overheating", I paused for a moment and something horrible happend next-----I said "Thanks Frodo and Sam, I should have told you that you have to be this high (held my hand to my waist) to get in anyways." Unfortunately there were several others present who witnessed this---they of course began roaring--and I mean roaring--it wasn't my best moment--but it just rubbed me the wrong way and I snapped---I happened to see them leave---just guess what kind of cars they drove away in?

Somehow, I feel a bit better about my response after seeing that Jody posted in their forum--I can't believe he did that---nice job Gandolf the White :lol:

D

[clill]

If anybody cares...Stielow did not autograph his car. Someone else designed that whole graphics package and I thought it looked pretty cool. Stielow felt a little weird having his name on his car but the package was already done. Maybe someday ifDanny does all Stielow has done someone will put his name on his car also. The cool part about Red Devil is it is a nice quiet road car that can also kick ass on the track.

[Vegas69]

Pretty simple to me, these poindexters understanding of cars barely exceeds reeding a dip stick and where you put the key. VERY FEW understand what it takes to build Red Devil and pilot it on that level. Very few even in our own world. I said it and it started a down hill slide last time. He did it with a car in the most pro touring sense, in my mind.

The 67 will be lighter and more radical and I think it's fair. When you're competing against physics, you have to gain and advantage somewhere else. :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

If anybody cares...Stielow did not autograph his car. Someone else designed that whole graphics package and I thought it looked pretty cool. Stielow felt a little weird having his name on his car but the package was already done. Maybe someday ifDanny does all Stielow has done someone will put his name on his car also. The cool part about Red Devil is it is a nice quiet road car that can also kick ass on the track.

Funny part is - graphics or not - Mark Stielow is a 'brand' and having his name on a car is part of it. D Popp could be, but he's not yet. Maybe after a book or two, twelve (?) documented builds, invites to every major show in the country, SEMA displays, a video game modeled after his car, and so on. Much repsect to Danny, of course. It's just the way it is.

EDIT: And an OPTIMA commercial! :D

[Flash68]

You may be right Matt---yeah, quality time indeed. I guess i'm just surprised that they (Vette owners or any others) can't appreciate other makes/models or give credit to the fact that a 69 Camaro was actually in the hunt at Optima. I typically appreciate anything on the race track that's fast. If it looks good doing so, then I tend to love it even more. More than that, I can begin to appreciate the level of driver Mark S is and how well his car is put together since it was close to Danny's. I do love many of the Vette's i've seen ---Tony's (9 Ball) Vette that recently sold was one of my all time favorites--would love to have that car. I just happen to love 69 Camaro's over all others, but don't think they are the best cars on the planet for road racing, auto crossing, etc. I know from the stand point of physics, it just makes sense that a Vette out of the box is much more suited for actual track action--and obviously these guys are aware of their superiority in brand. Once again, it just took me a bit by surprise that they are that ego driven and so outspoken about it. Really turns me off from ever owning one. When I went to C&C this morning to help hand out fliers for RTTC. A guy took a flyer from me and said the following "It's just a bunch of old cars running around the track? All they are going to do is overheat and spew water everywhere--that's all they ever do--that's lame--and I supose you have one of these cars right?". I tried to explain to him that nowadays you can really up the game by swaping out to vette inspired suspension front and rear and that many of the cars run very fast. I asked him to at least come out to see for himself to which he responded "Why would I want to waste my time watching slow cars retrofitted with parts that make it a wanna be Vette?". Now, he had a friend, and they were both wearing those bright orange little driving shoes--and typically I wouldn't go there, but today was a special day as I am a bit burned out from life these past few months--(I should mention that the combined height of these fellows was about 6'5) so when he handed me back the flyer and said "Here, give it to someone who cares and good luck not overheating", I paused for a moment and something horrible happend next-----I said "Thanks Frodo and Sam, I should have told you that you have to be this high (held my hand to my waist) to get in anyways." Unfortunately there were several others present who witnessed this---they of course began roaring--and I mean roaring--it wasn't my best moment--but it just rubbed me the wrong way and I snapped---I happened to see them leave---just guess what kind of cars they drove away in?

Somehow, I feel a bit better about my response after seeing that Jody posted in their forum--I can't believe he did that---nice job Gandolf the White :lol:

D

Dude, that is a great story. Would pay to have seen that in person. :D

[Vegas69]

That a boy...:thumbsup: :lol:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Dub Renner is following some big footsteps to fast becoming one of the states great spokesmans for the hobby.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/1323178243_1.jpg

[Matt@BOS]

You may be right Matt---yeah, quality time indeed. I guess i'm just surprised that they (Vette owners or any others) can't appreciate other makes/models or give credit to the fact that a 69 Camaro was actually in the hunt at Optima. I typically appreciate anything on the race track that's fast. If it looks good doing so, then I tend to love it even more. More than that, I can begin to appreciate the level of driver Mark S is and how well his car is put together since it was close to Danny's. I do love many of the Vette's i've seen ---Tony's (9 Ball) Vette that recently sold was one of my all time favorites--would love to have that car. I just happen to love 69 Camaro's over all others, but don't think they are the best cars on the planet for road racing, auto crossing, etc. I know from the stand point of physics, it just makes sense that a Vette out of the box is much more suited for actual track action--and obviously these guys are aware of their superiority in brand. Once again, it just took me a bit by surprise that they are that ego driven and so outspoken about it. Really turns me off from ever owning one. When I went to C&C this morning to help hand out fliers for RTTC. A guy took a flyer from me and said the following "It's just a bunch of old cars running around the track? All they are going to do is overheat and spew water everywhere--that's all they ever do--that's lame--and I supose you have one of these cars right?". I tried to explain to him that nowadays you can really up the game by swaping out to vette inspired suspension front and rear and that many of the cars run very fast. I asked him to at least come out to see for himself to which he responded "Why would I want to waste my time watching slow cars retrofitted with parts that make it a wanna be Vette?". Now, he had a friend, and they were both wearing those bright orange little driving shoes--and typically I wouldn't go there, but today was a special day as I am a bit burned out from life these past few months--(I should mention that the combined height of these fellows was about 6'5) so when he handed me back the flyer and said "Here, give it to someone who cares and good luck not overheating", I paused for a moment and something horrible happend next-----I said "Thanks Frodo and Sam, I should have told you that you have to be this high (held my hand to my waist) to get in anyways." Unfortunately there were several others present who witnessed this---they of course began roaring--and I mean roaring--it wasn't my best moment--but it just rubbed me the wrong way and I snapped---I happened to see them leave---just guess what kind of cars they drove away in?

Somehow, I feel a bit better about my response after seeing that Jody posted in their forum--I can't believe he did that---nice job Gandolf the White :lol:

D

Oh man, that story cracked me up. I swear, those cars and coffee guys are out to get you. We need to get you Ferrari shoes so you blend in better. And as for Frodo and sam... two guys, orange little shoes - I'm guessing a Mustang GT, a yellow convertible 'Vette or a Miata. :lol:

Matt

[Tom.A]

You may be right Matt---yeah, quality time indeed. I guess i'm just surprised that they (Vette owners or any others) can't appreciate other makes/models or give credit to the fact that a 69 Camaro was actually in the hunt at Optima. I typically appreciate anything on the race track that's fast. If it looks good doing so, then I tend to love it even more. More than that, I can begin to appreciate the level of driver Mark S is and how well his car is put together since it was close to Danny's. I do love many of the Vette's i've seen ---Tony's (9 Ball) Vette that recently sold was one of my all time favorites--would love to have that car. I just happen to love 69 Camaro's over all others, but don't think they are the best cars on the planet for road racing, auto crossing, etc. I know from the stand point of physics, it just makes sense that a Vette out of the box is much more suited for actual track action--and obviously these guys are aware of their superiority in brand. Once again, it just took me a bit by surprise that they are that ego driven and so outspoken about it. Really turns me off from ever owning one. When I went to C&C this morning to help hand out fliers for RTTC. A guy took a flyer from me and said the following "It's just a bunch of old cars running around the track? All they are going to do is overheat and spew water everywhere--that's all they ever do--that's lame--and I supose you have one of these cars right?". I tried to explain to him that nowadays you can really up the game by swaping out to vette inspired suspension front and rear and that many of the cars run very fast. I asked him to at least come out to see for himself to which he responded "Why would I want to waste my time watching slow cars retrofitted with parts that make it a wanna be Vette?". Now, he had a friend, and they were both wearing those bright orange little driving shoes--and typically I wouldn't go there, but today was a special day as I am a bit burned out from life these past few months--(I should mention that the combined height of these fellows was about 6'5) so when he handed me back the flyer and said "Here, give it to someone who cares and good luck not overheating", I paused for a moment and something horrible happend next-----I said "Thanks Frodo and Sam, I should have told you that you have to be this high (held my hand to my waist) to get in anyways." Unfortunately there were several others present who witnessed this---they of course began roaring--and I mean roaring--it wasn't my best moment--but it just rubbed me the wrong way and I snapped---I happened to see them leave---just guess what kind of cars they drove away in?

Somehow, I feel a bit better about my response after seeing that Jody posted in their forum--I can't believe he did that---nice job Gandolf the White :lol:

D

That is funny:thumbsup:

It is a bummer some guys are like that and the guy's over on the vette forum. IMO I think the OUSCI should be owner/driver only. Three of the four years have been won by a non owner. I thought that after the first year also.

[Flash68]

Three of the four years have been won by a non owner.

That's a very telling statement.

[Sieg]

That's a very telling statement.Agreed.

The the heart, soul, and ultimate example of competitions like this from my perspective is the owner/builder/driver cars.

If I was someone with "unlimited" revenue and limited ability and had a desire to be the center of attention or accepted in the crowd outspending the true enthusiast would be easy prey. Buy a GTR send it to a top tuner, give them an unlimited buget and hire a hitman for a driver.

Well thought out Classes of Competition is probably the best solution to the issues as the event gains popularity.

In no way do I see the event dissolve due to dissension. The techie Vette's, Benz's, and GTR are very impressive but I have much more respect and appreciation for hands-on cars like Mark's, Brian's, Mary's, and numerous others.

[ccracin]

You may be right Matt---yeah, quality time indeed. I guess i'm just surprised that they (Vette owners or any others) can't appreciate other makes/models or give credit to the fact that a 69 Camaro was actually in the hunt at Optima. I typically appreciate anything on the race track that's fast. If it looks good doing so, then I tend to love it even more. More than that, I can begin to appreciate the level of driver Mark S is and how well his car is put together since it was close to Danny's. I do love many of the Vette's i've seen ---Tony's (9 Ball) Vette that recently sold was one of my all time favorites--would love to have that car. I just happen to love 69 Camaro's over all others, but don't think they are the best cars on the planet for road racing, auto crossing, etc. I know from the stand point of physics, it just makes sense that a Vette out of the box is much more suited for actual track action--and obviously these guys are aware of their superiority in brand. Once again, it just took me a bit by surprise that they are that ego driven and so outspoken about it. Really turns me off from ever owning one. When I went to C&C this morning to help hand out fliers for RTTC. A guy took a flyer from me and said the following "It's just a bunch of old cars running around the track? All they are going to do is overheat and spew water everywhere--that's all they ever do--that's lame--and I supose you have one of these cars right?". I tried to explain to him that nowadays you can really up the game by swaping out to vette inspired suspension front and rear and that many of the cars run very fast. I asked him to at least come out to see for himself to which he responded "Why would I want to waste my time watching slow cars retrofitted with parts that make it a wanna be Vette?". Now, he had a friend, and they were both wearing those bright orange little driving shoes--and typically I wouldn't go there, but today was a special day as I am a bit burned out from life these past few months--(I should mention that the combined height of these fellows was about 6'5) so when he handed me back the flyer and said "Here, give it to someone who cares and good luck not overheating", I paused for a moment and something horrible happend next-----I said "Thanks Frodo and Sam, I should have told you that you have to be this high (held my hand to my waist) to get in anyways." Unfortunately there were several others present who witnessed this---they of course began roaring--and I mean roaring--it wasn't my best moment--but it just rubbed me the wrong way and I snapped---I happened to see them leave---just guess what kind of cars they drove away in?

Somehow, I feel a bit better about my response after seeing that Jody posted in their forum--I can't believe he did that---nice job Gandolf the White :lol:

D

I'm sure those tools would never comprehend that there is more money in these "old cars" that run with and beat vettes than was in the car Popp drove. This statement may not be true in every case, but I would say more often than not! And yes, the only driver permitted should be the registered owner!

Don't feel bad D they had it coming. :thumbsup: :lateral:

[fleetus macmullitz]

--(I should mention that the combined height of these fellows was about 6'5) so when he handed me back the flyer and said "Here, give it to someone who cares and good luck not overheating", I paused for a moment and something horrible happend next-----I said "Thanks Frodo and Sam, I should have told you that you have to be this high (held my hand to my waist) to get in anyways."


You're a rabid anti-shortite! Next thing you'll do is hand out flyers urging people to put them in their own schools!

[DFRESH]

You're a rabid anti-shortite! Next thing you'll do is hand out flyers urging people to put them in their own schools!

LOL---The sea was angry that day my friends---like an old man trying to return soup at a deli.

Wish I could find that vid clip---

D

[fleetus macmullitz]

LOL---The sea was angry that day my friends---like an old man trying to return soup at a deli.

Wish I could find that vid clip---

D

Google is your friend. Actually, as we now know... not at all.

Oy5m4m8GayQ

No ones asking for Popp to autograph that Titleist!


:lol:

[tazzz2_ca]

You may be right Matt---yeah, quality time indeed. I guess i'm just surprised that they (Vette owners or any others) can't appreciate other makes/models or give credit to the fact that a 69 Camaro was actually in the hunt at Optima. I typically appreciate anything on the race track that's fast. If it looks good doing so, then I tend to love it even more. More than that, I can begin to appreciate the level of driver Mark S is and how well his car is put together since it was close to Danny's. I do love many of the Vette's i've seen ---Tony's (9 Ball) Vette that recently sold was one of my all time favorites--would love to have that car. I just happen to love 69 Camaro's over all others, but don't think they are the best cars on the planet for road racing, auto crossing, etc. I know from the stand point of physics, it just makes sense that a Vette out of the box is much more suited for actual track action--and obviously these guys are aware of their superiority in brand. Once again, it just took me a bit by surprise that they are that ego driven and so outspoken about it. Really turns me off from ever owning one. When I went to C&C this morning to help hand out fliers for RTTC. A guy took a flyer from me and said the following "It's just a bunch of old cars running around the track? All they are going to do is overheat and spew water everywhere--that's all they ever do--that's lame--and I supose you have one of these cars right?". I tried to explain to him that nowadays you can really up the game by swaping out to vette inspired suspension front and rear and that many of the cars run very fast. I asked him to at least come out to see for himself to which he responded "Why would I want to waste my time watching slow cars retrofitted with parts that make it a wanna be Vette?". Now, he had a friend, and they were both wearing those bright orange little driving shoes--and typically I wouldn't go there, but today was a special day as I am a bit burned out from life these past few months--(I should mention that the combined height of these fellows was about 6'5) so when he handed me back the flyer and said "Here, give it to someone who cares and good luck not overheating", I paused for a moment and something horrible happend next-----I said "Thanks Frodo and Sam, I should have told you that you have to be this high (held my hand to my waist) to get in anyways." Unfortunately there were several others present who witnessed this---they of course began roaring--and I mean roaring--it wasn't my best moment--but it just rubbed me the wrong way and I snapped---I happened to see them leave---just guess what kind of cars they drove away in?

Somehow, I feel a bit better about my response after seeing that Jody posted in their forum--I can't believe he did that---nice job Gandolf the White :lol:

D


Hum I'm guessing a cab after all those super light shoes help them get traction while running after it LOL,,,,, oh wait Dr. D,,, was that the tall one bending over to pick up a lost bus token LOL....
^5 buddy the sawed off little pricks needed a little reality check anyways (no pun intended LOL).....

[89 RS]

You may be right Matt---yeah, quality time indeed. I guess i'm just surprised that they (Vette owners or any others) can't appreciate other makes/models or give credit to the fact that a 69 Camaro was actually in the hunt at Optima. I typically appreciate anything on the race track that's fast. If it looks good doing so, then I tend to love it even more. More than that, I can begin to appreciate the level of driver Mark S is and how well his car is put together since it was close to Danny's. I do love many of the Vette's i've seen ---Tony's (9 Ball) Vette that recently sold was one of my all time favorites--would love to have that car. I just happen to love 69 Camaro's over all others, but don't think they are the best cars on the planet for road racing, auto crossing, etc. I know from the stand point of physics, it just makes sense that a Vette out of the box is much more suited for actual track action--and obviously these guys are aware of their superiority in brand. Once again, it just took me a bit by surprise that they are that ego driven and so outspoken about it. Really turns me off from ever owning one. When I went to C&C this morning to help hand out fliers for RTTC. A guy took a flyer from me and said the following "It's just a bunch of old cars running around the track? All they are going to do is overheat and spew water everywhere--that's all they ever do--that's lame--and I supose you have one of these cars right?". I tried to explain to him that nowadays you can really up the game by swaping out to vette inspired suspension front and rear and that many of the cars run very fast. I asked him to at least come out to see for himself to which he responded "Why would I want to waste my time watching slow cars retrofitted with parts that make it a wanna be Vette?". Now, he had a friend, and they were both wearing those bright orange little driving shoes--and typically I wouldn't go there, but today was a special day as I am a bit burned out from life these past few months--(I should mention that the combined height of these fellows was about 6'5) so when he handed me back the flyer and said "Here, give it to someone who cares and good luck not overheating", I paused for a moment and something horrible happend next-----I said "Thanks Frodo and Sam, I should have told you that you have to be this high (held my hand to my waist) to get in anyways." Unfortunately there were several others present who witnessed this---they of course began roaring--and I mean roaring--it wasn't my best moment--but it just rubbed me the wrong way and I snapped---I happened to see them leave---just guess what kind of cars they drove away in?

Somehow, I feel a bit better about my response after seeing that Jody posted in their forum--I can't believe he did that---nice job Gandolf the White :lol:

D

Hey Doug, like what your daughter would have said...lol. One of my 4 yr old son's favorite lines is "seriously??" and would have been appropriate. In all seriousness, some people will never figure it out and it takes all kinds.

[RAFTRACER]

Oh NO !! The Corvette guy has stopped lurking and joined this board.....:)

I think there are some misconceptions here and people harping on one single comment, that I should not have made. Awful easy to take things out of context , try looking at page one of the thread on corvetteforum also.

Yes, I got "rich by winning the lottery" , and fielded a C6 Corvette at this years OUSCI, and I guess that I am guilty because we won with a "new" car. Nevermind any of the other new cars there this year, or that have competed in years past. Last I remember, this is not a Pro-Touring event, but a search for the Ultimate Street Car. I have watched this event as said for several years before I earned my invite. This was a privateer entry too, not some "in house" car or manufacturer car. With way less resources than some of the other top 10 cars.

Some of you have judged without knowing anything other than hearsay, and because I fielded a new car this year, I supposedly have no love for the older cars . Those that have cast stones do not know me very well. I am in FACT a lover of all cars, especially Chevrolet's, NEW and OLD. I cut my teeth in OLD GM products , C2's,C3's and 2nd gen Camaros. I still have the 1972 LT-1 Corvette and it will be making venues later this year. Brian Hobaugh remembers the car and knows that it is not slow. This Pro-Touring movement gives me an excuse to play with that car too and it will be a great time.

While I did make an off-handed comment , about the "autograph" on the side of Mark's car, I did not disrespect the fact that his car is an AMAZING piece, it is very well sorted, FAST , beautiful, well engineered and driven. I just thought the "autograph" was slightly grandious. I should not have said what I did, and for that I am sorry. Mark is a very worthy competitor, a great champion and is very worthy of all of his followers. I admire his creations myself and I am sure that I will continue to do so. With that said, Brian, Mary, Mike, also have built awesome cars as well as the other 90% of the cars that were at the OUSCI.

It seems as if some here are operating with chips on their shoulder because they run "old" cars and sometimes they let "new" cars run with them and then the old cars are at a distinct disadvantage. Well, I can tell you that mentality is not completely true. If any of you care to read page one of the above mentioned corvetteforum thread, I ran a bunch of the top pro-touring cars in July for the Chevy Hi-Performance Magazine shootout, and I was faster in three of the Pro-Touring cars than I was in Todd's Corvette. Testiments to the potential of some of these builds. I will agree that on a roadcourse the newer cars will enjoy an aero advantage, but that is it. No one with any of these builds is limited with suspension geometry, power, or technological advances such as ABS or TC. As the years progress the more mainstream this is going to become.

Anyhow, I did not come on here to create a war. Just to clear up some misconceptions and apologize publicly for the off-handed comment that I made on the corvetteforum about the "autograph". Again, sorry Mark and all on this board.

[camcojb]

I'm not lookin to be a sh!t starter here but I check out the autoX/road race section at Vetteforum fairly often and.....

Here's the Vette guys patting themselves on the back....

and a little cheap shot at Sielow by Popp in there too.... classy. :rolleyes:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/autocrossing-and-roadracing/3008059-corvette-ftw-optima-ousci-on-speed-today.html
well, their cars haul ass................. :lol: I think Danny was just being funny, don't think he really was taking a shot at Mark. My reply over there was just to answer a guys question regarding hiring a pro to drive your car for you.

Danny's a pro level driver, as is Mark, Kyle, and a few others. I'm not sure that a 69 Camaro can ever run heads up on the road course with the new Vettes like what Danny drove. Aero, center of gravity, etc. are all against the older cars. You can make a 69 Camaro as light or lighter, but you'd still be in an uphill battle to beat a driver like Danny with a car like he had.

He deserved the win, and I think Mark was fine with it. I expect the rules will continue to be tweaked, and at some point it will be owner as the driver only. But for now those are the rules and he won fair and square.

[camcojb]

I was typing my reply above when you posted. :) Thanks for swinging by Danny. :thumbsup:

[Van B]

Thanks for posting Danny. Pick almost any forum board and its members can get defensive and elitist at times. There has been many a debate about this event and others like it in the past. Should new cars be allowed, etc.

Bottom line is that the organizers run their event the way they see fit and the rest will armchair quarterback it to death. Those that won their way in deserve an enormous amount of respect as it is a huge accomplishment.

[Bucketlist2012]

Thanks for posting Danny. Pick almost any forum board and its members can get defensive and elitist at times. There has been many a debate about this event and others like it in the past. Should new cars be allowed, etc.

Bottom line is that the organizers run their event the way they see fit and the rest will armchair quarterback it to death. Those that won their way in deserve an enormous amount of respect as it is a huge accomplishment.

Thanks for clearing things up...I have said many stupid things in my Days, and probably will again...

Congrats on the Win..:cheers:

[fleetus macmullitz]

This thread is losing its ugly tone. :mad:



:lol:

[GregWeld]

Personally -- I think there's too much emphasis on "winning"... OUSCI is a fantastic FUN event for anyone that gets lucky enough to get to run it - gets to watch it - or gets to work it. Let's just get back to having fun and enjoying watching ALL the cars and ALL the drivers.

I've yet to watch a single run that I didn't enjoy... Every one of them is kool on their own merit. Old car big horsepower - new car no horsepower... amateur drivers - pros and near pros... all are spectacular.

I was looking at the NAME of the event again.... and couldn't find where it said "ultimate NEW car invitational"... or "ultimate OLD car invitational"... or even "ultimate car with or without windows invitational"... I think it just says Ultimate Street Car Invitational.... To me - it's the INVITATIONAL that kinda sums it up.

I'd sure like to get an invite... I'd be happy as hell to embarrass myself!

:D

[Sieg]

Anyhow, I did not come on here to create a war. Just to clear up some misconceptions and apologize publicly for the off-handed comment that I made on the corvetteforum about the "autograph". Again, sorry Mark and all on this board.
Thanks for standing up and being credible. :thumbsup:

And congratulations on your victory it was damn good driving no matter what the vehicle. It was also an impressive thrash to change out the master cylinder. :cheers:

[coolwelder62]

Personally -- I think there's too much emphasis on "winning"... OUSCI is a fantastic FUN event for anyone that gets lucky enough to get to run it - gets to watch it - or gets to work it. Let's just get back to having fun and enjoying watching ALL the cars and ALL the drivers.

I've yet to watch a single run that I didn't enjoy... Every one of them is kool on their own merit. Old car big horsepower - new car no horsepower... amateur drivers - pros and near pros... all are spectacular.

I was looking at the NAME of the event again.... and couldn't find where it said "ultimate NEW car invitational"... or "ultimate OLD car invitational"... or even "ultimate car with or without windows invitational"... I think it just says Ultimate Street Car Invitational.... To me - it's the INVITATIONAL that kinda sums it up.

I'd sure like to get an invite... I'd be happy as hell to embarrass myself!

:D:thumbsup: VERY WELL SAID.:thumbsup: I had a frickin awesome time when I was there.Can't wait to have a chance to go back.:thumbsup:

[BonzoHansen]

...and at some point it will be owner as the driver only. But for now those are the rules and he won fair and square.

I'm not sure that will happen, sponsors and all. But maybe.

Ultimate Street Car Invitational - I agree, I don't see old there. There may be some entries that were more race car than street car, but I digress.

I just know I enjoyed the hell out of being there & watching! Watching Danny, Mark, Mary and others do their things was great.


I still think late model Camaro and Mustang guys are worse, on average. I know you spent some quality time making friends with the Camaro 5 guys on the way to Arizona. On my Mustang I have tinted windows... because I'm almost embarrassed to be seen :lol:

Matt

Certain vette and Porsche guys can be quite, um, unique. New Camaro enthusiast owners I have run into seem to have a simialr, um, uniqueness. lol

[DFRESH]

Oh NO !! The Corvette guy has stopped lurking and joined this board.....:)

I think there are some misconceptions here and people harping on one single comment, that I should not have made. Awful easy to take things out of context , try looking at page one of the thread on corvetteforum also.

Yes, I got "rich by winning the lottery" , and fielded a C6 Corvette at this years OUSCI, and I guess that I am guilty because we won with a "new" car. Nevermind any of the other new cars there this year, or that have competed in years past. Last I remember, this is not a Pro-Touring event, but a search for the Ultimate Street Car. I have watched this event as said for several years before I earned my invite. This was a privateer entry too, not some "in house" car or manufacturer car. With way less resources than some of the other top 10 cars.

Some of you have judged without knowing anything other than hearsay, and because I fielded a new car this year, I supposedly have no love for the older cars . Those that have cast stones do not know me very well. I am in FACT a lover of all cars, especially Chevrolet's, NEW and OLD. I cut my teeth in OLD GM products , C2's,C3's and 2nd gen Camaros. I still have the 1972 LT-1 Corvette and it will be making venues later this year. Brian Hobaugh remembers the car and knows that it is not slow. This Pro-Touring movement gives me an excuse to play with that car too and it will be a great time.

While I did make an off-handed comment , about the "autograph" on the side of Mark's car, I did not disrespect the fact that his car is an AMAZING piece, it is very well sorted, FAST , beautiful, well engineered and driven. I just thought the "autograph" was slightly grandious. I should not have said what I did, and for that I am sorry. Mark is a very worthy competitor, a great champion and is very worthy of all of his followers. I admire his creations myself and I am sure that I will continue to do so. With that said, Brian, Mary, Mike, also have built awesome cars as well as the other 90% of the cars that were at the OUSCI.

It seems as if some here are operating with chips on their shoulder because they run "old" cars and sometimes they let "new" cars run with them and then the old cars are at a distinct disadvantage. Well, I can tell you that mentality is not completely true. If any of you care to read page one of the above mentioned corvetteforum thread, I ran a bunch of the top pro-touring cars in July for the Chevy Hi-Performance Magazine shootout, and I was faster in three of the Pro-Touring cars than I was in Todd's Corvette. Testiments to the potential of some of these builds. I will agree that on a roadcourse the newer cars will enjoy an aero advantage, but that is it. No one with any of these builds is limited with suspension geometry, power, or technological advances such as ABS or TC. As the years progress the more mainstream this is going to become.

Anyhow, I did not come on here to create a war. Just to clear up some misconceptions and apologize publicly for the off-handed comment that I made on the corvetteforum about the "autograph". Again, sorry Mark and all on this board.


Danny, you are welcome here anytime! There are lots of us that would enjoy having you around our events so that we could learn and watch---plus, we would love to squeeze as much info out of you as possible about going faster in our cars. We don't get a ton of Pro Drivers coming through here--so please stick around and chime in!

D

[tazzz2_ca]

Hum I'm guessing a cab after all those super light shoes help them get traction while running after it LOL,,,,, oh wait Dr. D,,, was that the tall one bending over to pick up a lost bus token LOL....
^5 buddy the sawed off little pricks needed a little reality check anyways (no pun intended LOL).....

Danny hit the nail on the head and I was attempting to highlight this whole new, old, super competitive spirit between the cars in some ways.... The Vette is a cool car that is a Hell of a bang for the buck,,,, but hey I can't say I'd own one based on my own car preferences.... The guys at the show were showing a higher then thou closed mind that maybe we're all guilty of here and there (they just took it a bit further and our own good Dr. D set them straight)...

Danny, congrats again on the victory you're an incredible driver and show a ton of class setting things straight....

Greg you summed things up Dam near perfectly in what you stated,,, """just to be there is the best part of the experience""", the rest sorts it's self out and is forgotten long before you ever will forget that day.....

[Flash68]

Danny, thanks for stopping by. I think you'll find this is one of the best forums around and people here have more respect for each other and differing opinions than anywhere else. Hopefully you'll stick around.

I knew this thread would have a happy ending when I started it. :D

[ccracin]

Oh NO !! The Corvette guy has stopped lurking and joined this board.....:)

I think there are some misconceptions here and people harping on one single comment, that I should not have made. Awful easy to take things out of context , try looking at page one of the thread on corvetteforum also.

Yes, I got "rich by winning the lottery" , and fielded a C6 Corvette at this years OUSCI, and I guess that I am guilty because we won with a "new" car. Nevermind any of the other new cars there this year, or that have competed in years past. Last I remember, this is not a Pro-Touring event, but a search for the Ultimate Street Car. I have watched this event as said for several years before I earned my invite. This was a privateer entry too, not some "in house" car or manufacturer car. With way less resources than some of the other top 10 cars.

Some of you have judged without knowing anything other than hearsay, and because I fielded a new car this year, I supposedly have no love for the older cars . Those that have cast stones do not know me very well. I am in FACT a lover of all cars, especially Chevrolet's, NEW and OLD. I cut my teeth in OLD GM products , C2's,C3's and 2nd gen Camaros. I still have the 1972 LT-1 Corvette and it will be making venues later this year. Brian Hobaugh remembers the car and knows that it is not slow. This Pro-Touring movement gives me an excuse to play with that car too and it will be a great time.

While I did make an off-handed comment , about the "autograph" on the side of Mark's car, I did not disrespect the fact that his car is an AMAZING piece, it is very well sorted, FAST , beautiful, well engineered and driven. I just thought the "autograph" was slightly grandious. I should not have said what I did, and for that I am sorry. Mark is a very worthy competitor, a great champion and is very worthy of all of his followers. I admire his creations myself and I am sure that I will continue to do so. With that said, Brian, Mary, Mike, also have built awesome cars as well as the other 90% of the cars that were at the OUSCI.

It seems as if some here are operating with chips on their shoulder because they run "old" cars and sometimes they let "new" cars run with them and then the old cars are at a distinct disadvantage. Well, I can tell you that mentality is not completely true. If any of you care to read page one of the above mentioned corvetteforum thread, I ran a bunch of the top pro-touring cars in July for the Chevy Hi-Performance Magazine shootout, and I was faster in three of the Pro-Touring cars than I was in Todd's Corvette. Testiments to the potential of some of these builds. I will agree that on a roadcourse the newer cars will enjoy an aero advantage, but that is it. No one with any of these builds is limited with suspension geometry, power, or technological advances such as ABS or TC. As the years progress the more mainstream this is going to become.

Anyhow, I did not come on here to create a war. Just to clear up some misconceptions and apologize publicly for the off-handed comment that I made on the corvetteforum about the "autograph". Again, sorry Mark and all on this board.

Danny,

Thanks for stopping in. I hope you do decide to stick around. Your perspective is welcomed in my mind. Old vs. new is an argument that will never go away. Just like Ford vs Chevy. Also, just as you mentioned the "old" car drivers get upset when the "new" car drivers look down their noses. This will never go away, but with education comes more understanding. So please, stick around. We would all love to hear more about the car you had at Optima as well as your second gen. Oh, and we all love pictures! Welcome! :cheers: :lateral:

[RAFTRACER]

34273

Maybe this will help to show that I am and old car kinda guy too......:)

This was from the RTTH event in 2010.

This car is being "modernized" this year to play in GoodGuys and Pro-Touring event soon.

[tazzz2_ca]

34273

Maybe this will help to show that I am and old car kinda guy too......:)

This was from the RTTH event in 2010.

This car is being "modernized" this year to play in GoodGuys and Pro-Touring event soon.

Cool it'll be great to see what you do (updates) with the car Danny,,,,, I think I remember it being stupid fast already at RTTH with you behind the wheel.....

[RAFTRACER]

Cool it'll be great to see what you do (updates) with the car Danny,,,,, I think I remember it being stupid fast already at RTTH with you behind the wheel.....

Yeah, It was......but I had cheater tires on it at the time. I lose the cheater tires and make all of the updates and it'll probably be a wash time wise..

I do NOT plan on it being slow....there may or may not be another vintage Corvette in the works also...;)

[73CPCAMARO]

Yeah, It was......but I had cheater tires on it at the time. I lose the cheater tires and make all of the updates and it'll probably be a wash time wise..

I do NOT plan on it being slow....there may or may not be another vintage Corvette in the works also...;)

Danny,

That is great that you are bringing your 72 Corvette out for these events. I just ran the 65 Corvette this past weekend with the 200 TW tires and it was a blast. In the next year or so I plan on giving the Corvette some updates and run it more. Maybe we can get a rematch of 15 years ago? :D

Brian

[sik68]

The coming year in pro-touring is going to be seeeeeeeensational!

[BonzoHansen]

Cool it'll be great to see what you do (updates) with the car Danny,,,,, I think I remember it being stupid fast already at RTTH with you behind the wheel.....

i watched him race at Optima. My gut is he would be fast driving a lawn tractor.

[DFRESH]

Yeah, It was......but I had cheater tires on it at the time. I lose the cheater tires and make all of the updates and it'll probably be a wash time wise..

I do NOT plan on it being slow....there may or may not be another vintage Corvette in the works also...;)

So Danny, do you do the "Get in someone else's car" and take it around the Auto X and comment about what could be improved?

Going to need some of that coming up----

D

[Sieg]

You might want to ask Mary, she probably won't tell you to sell it and buy a Corvette. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Couldn't resist. :D

[tazzz2_ca]

i watched him race at Optima. My gut is he would be fast driving a lawn tractor.

He could sit on a frigging sail boat dragging an anchor and make laps faster than 80% of us bud LOL.....

[SLO_Z28]

34273

Maybe this will help to show that I am and old car kinda guy too......:)

This was from the RTTH event in 2010.

This car is being "modernized" this year to play in GoodGuys and Pro-Touring event soon.

BSP car?

[RAFTRACER]

So Danny, do you do the "Get in someone else's car" and take it around the Auto X and comment about what could be improved?

Going to need some of that coming up----

D

Yes, I do that frequently.......and no I will not tell you to sell it and buy a Corvette. Although the more Corvette like you make it the faster that it would go :)

I like to do this too....as well as teaching people how to drive faster. I "get-off" on seeing people improve and go faster whether it be from car set-up perspective or learning to drive better. I do go out of my way to help people, but it looks as if you are on the wrong side of the globe....

[RAFTRACER]

BSP car?

Yes, it was my BSP car that has won numerous SCCA Solo and ProSolo National Championships.

I think that car is going to LIKE fixing all of the things that I was never allowed to do and losing several hundered pounds, besides gaining a couple of hundred horsepower :)

I learned all of my car control skills chasing this blue rocket all over autocross courses....I referred it to riding a rodeo bull, it was gonna throw you off, just a matter of when...

[Sieg]

I think that car is going to LIKE fixing all of the things that I was never allowed to do and losing several hundered pounds, besides gaining a couple of hundred horsepower :)

Are you going to preserve the sidepipes? They look "so right" on the Cobra's and late 60's Vette's. :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

I may have made the Lottery/Vette comment but I respect your driving skills and look forward to seeing what you can do with some old metal. A late 60's vette was swimming around in my head for a while. :thumbsup:

[Bucketlist2012]

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Maybe this will help to show that I am and old car kinda guy too......:)

This was from the RTTH event in 2010.

This car is being "modernized" this year to play in GoodGuys and Pro-Touring event soon.

Are you still running the LT-1 engine ???

[RAFTRACER]

Are you going to preserve the sidepipes? They look "so right" on the Cobra's and late 60's Vette's. :thumbsup:

Depsite my son wanting me to take them off ( because he burned himself on them ), Those side pipes have always been on there and always will be .:thumbsup:

Corvettes of that era are "right" with sidepipes, and it makes the underneath of the car alot easier to work on...... Just watch your step when you get out..

[RAFTRACER]

Are you still running the LT-1 engine ???

Yes currently the car has a B&B 1970 LT-1 spec motor in it although it is a 1972 car. The original engine is tucked away for safe keeping. However I do plan on putting a buzz-bomb LS motor in it before too long .

[Sieg]

Depsite my son wanting me to take them off ( because he burned himself on them ), Those side pipes have always been on there and always will be .:thumbsup:

Corvettes of that era are "right" with sidepipes, and it makes the underneath of the car alot easier to work on...... Just watch your step when you get out..

Glad to hear it! :clap:

In 1989 I firmly planted my achilies on a hot sidepipe getting out of a friends '66 427 Cobra..........an unforgettable moment. :D

[Bucketlist2012]

Yes currently the car has a B&B 1970 LT-1 spec motor in it although it is a 1972 car. The original engine is tucked away for safe keeping. However I do plan on putting a buzz-bomb LS motor in it before too long .

Nice....I am running the factory LT-1 slightly modified...

Maybe someday I will pull it and keep it safe, and put in a new motor to go with all the other upgrades..

But for now, it is the screaming small block for me.I do love them and the sounds they make..

[DFRESH]

Yes, I do that frequently.......and no I will not tell you to sell it and buy a Corvette. Although the more Corvette like you make it the faster that it would go :)

I like to do this too....as well as teaching people how to drive faster. I "get-off" on seeing people improve and go faster whether it be from car set-up perspective or learning to drive better. I do go out of my way to help people, but it looks as if you are on the wrong side of the globe....

The wrong side of the globe for so many reasons indeed.

It's already got the Vette Spindles up front---but a DSE sub from Kyle and company is sitting here in the garage---and a torque arm setup with a new floater rear is coming this coming weekend---it's getting closer to "vette" like-

So you never come out to So Cal for driving events? Forgive me for asking--is driving cars what you do for a living?

Doug

[RAFTRACER]

The wrong side of the globe for so many reasons indeed.

It's already got the Vette Spindles up front---but a DSE sub from Kyle and company is sitting here in the garage---and a torque arm setup with a new floater rear is coming this coming weekend---it's getting closer to "vette" like-

So you never come out to So Cal for driving events? Forgive me for asking--is driving cars what you do for a living?

Doug

No, driving cars is not what I do for a living , but I do it as much as possible :)

I am a Corvette technician by trade @ a Chevrolet Dealership and 75% of our buisness is race/performance oriented.

However, I am the chief instructor for 10/10ths Motorsports (www.1010thsmotorsports.com) and also an Evolution Perfromance School instructor (autocross). I have helped Bill Howell out with several of his Pro-Touring events, instructed at both of the Midwest Muscle Car Shootouts, and the inaugural "Get Started Racing School" the Jet-Hot put on.

Maybe one day I will get out to your neck of the woods to help..:thumbsup:

[Fastrash]

Maybe one day I will get out to your neck of the woods to help..:thumbsup:

Hmmmmm....I highly recommend a trip out West for some coaching...I'll chaperone....:D

[71RS/SS396]

Hmmmmm....I highly recommend a trip out West for some coaching...I'll chaperone....:D

Isn't that like asking the fox to watch the hen house?:_paranoid :unibrow: :D

[71RS/SS396]

Doug if you can ever get Danny or Todd in your car to instruct, you will learn an awful lot, I've been fortunate to have both of them teach me some things and both are very good at communicating where you're screwing up at.

[Stielow]

Oh NO !! The Corvette guy has stopped lurking and joined this board.....:)

Anyhow, I did not come on here to create a war. Just to clear up some misconceptions and apologize publicly for the off-handed comment that I made on the corvetteforum about the "autograph". Again, sorry Mark and all on this board.

Hey I just but my name on my car so I could find it. To quote "Hot Rod": is just another Red '69 Camaro with a SBC".... how many ’69 Camaros were at SEMA anyway…

Congratulations Danny good job.

Larry Ericson talked me into putting my name on my car because it looked to plain. I was not a fan of it and it still makes me feel a little funny seeing my name on my car.

I really like the OUSCI event; it is a lot more fun and way easier than One Lap of America. LOL. I gave serious thought on building a C-6 Corvette for the 2012 but I like the Pro-Touring route better. It is where I came from and what I like to do.

Mark

[coolwelder62]

Mark,I thought the graphic's on Red Devil this year were perfect.It allowed new comer's to SEMA, & OPTIMA, to Identify some of the competitor's.:thumbsup: M.S.Fan.

[FETorino]

Oh NO !! The Corvette guy has stopped lurking and joined this board.....:)

I think there are some misconceptions here and people harping on one single comment, that I should not have made. Awful easy to take things out of context , try looking at page one of the thread on corvetteforum also.

Yes, I got "rich by winning the lottery" , and fielded a C6 Corvette at this years OUSCI, and I guess that I am guilty because we won with a "new" car. Nevermind any of the other new cars there this year, or that have competed in years past. Last I remember, this is not a Pro-Touring event, but a search for the Ultimate Street Car. I have watched this event as said for several years before I earned my invite. This was a privateer entry too, not some "in house" car or manufacturer car. With way less resources than some of the other top 10 cars.

Some of you have judged without knowing anything other than hearsay, and because I fielded a new car this year, I supposedly have no love for the older cars . Those that have cast stones do not know me very well. I am in FACT a lover of all cars, especially Chevrolet's, NEW and OLD. I cut my teeth in OLD GM products , C2's,C3's and 2nd gen Camaros. I still have the 1972 LT-1 Corvette and it will be making venues later this year. Brian Hobaugh remembers the car and knows that it is not slow. This Pro-Touring movement gives me an excuse to play with that car too and it will be a great time.

While I did make an off-handed comment , about the "autograph" on the side of Mark's car, I did not disrespect the fact that his car is an AMAZING piece, it is very well sorted, FAST , beautiful, well engineered and driven. I just thought the "autograph" was slightly grandious. I should not have said what I did, and for that I am sorry. Mark is a very worthy competitor, a great champion and is very worthy of all of his followers. I admire his creations myself and I am sure that I will continue to do so. With that said, Brian, Mary, Mike, also have built awesome cars as well as the other 90% of the cars that were at the OUSCI.

It seems as if some here are operating with chips on their shoulder because they run "old" cars and sometimes they let "new" cars run with them and then the old cars are at a distinct disadvantage. Well, I can tell you that mentality is not completely true. If any of you care to read page one of the above mentioned corvetteforum thread, I ran a bunch of the top pro-touring cars in July for the Chevy Hi-Performance Magazine shootout, and I was faster in three of the Pro-Touring cars than I was in Todd's Corvette. Testiments to the potential of some of these builds. I will agree that on a roadcourse the newer cars will enjoy an aero advantage, but that is it. No one with any of these builds is limited with suspension geometry, power, or technological advances such as ABS or TC. As the years progress the more mainstream this is going to become.

Anyhow, I did not come on here to create a war. Just to clear up some misconceptions and apologize publicly for the off-handed comment that I made on the corvetteforum about the "autograph". Again, sorry Mark and all on this board.

Your comments on the corvette board about the PT cars said it all. It's obvious you appreciate the PT cars. everyone on this board should appreciate the modern Corvette for what an awesome pice it is.

[Flash68]

And I am calling Stielow's 67 an early favorite. :unibrow:

:cheers: Congrats Mark. Kick ass non-69 1st Gen Camaro. :D

[garickman]

:cheers: Congrats Mark. Kick ass non-69 1st Gen Camaro. :D

So does this mean that 67's are the new 69's?:D