What Flares do you think look/function the best on a Camaro?

[tyoneal]

Would like to get some feedback regarding which flares you think look the best for a first generation Camaro, or if you have experience with them, which ones seem to work the best??

I've attached a few pictures of random Camaro's with Flares for you to comment about, or if you have any pictures of some that are done correctly, both for function and form to compliment the classic shape of the first generation Camaro.

I am particularly interested in Street/Track/Auto Cross/Road Racing etc. so also utility is important. If the flares are used with splitters, scoops, etc. that would be great.

Thanks in advance.

Ty
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[tyoneal]

Here is another picture I thought was fairly well done.

Thoughts??

Thanks,

Ty

[legend]

there are a few cars on here where the whole panel bulges out seamlessly looks great and must be way better for aero

I'll dig around and see if i can find them

[legend]

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=23832&highlight=fat+bottom

here ya go :cheers:

[preston]

Didn't Ironworks already build your flares ? I like the dark blue road racing camaro above, but the way the flares tuck tight into the body reveals too much tire and creates a 4*4 look. I think the best design is something that looks like that but doesn't tuck in so much, then of course you need to tie the airdam and rocker into it a little bit.

[cheapta]

I'd go with the Gulf colors blue/orange,Huntimer car-wicked!!!!

Peter:thumbsup:

[Ummgawa]

The wide body rear on a 69 camaro looks awesome when done right, but you got to be careful on the fronts...

[Flash68]

I very much like Bob Owens' 69 (the sliver center striped 69) and "Taz" (the gulf colored Racehome/Dyno West 67 or 68).

I can tell you the flares on Bob Owens' 69 are L88 Corvette flares and were installed by a local shop close to me. I know because I called them to chat about it 2 weeks ago. Quoted me $5k to install and that did not include paint. They said the L88 flares are about $1k themselves.

Tyler's 50/50 Camaro at Ironworks is another one that looks to be of very high quality and good form.

[Sieg]

I very much like Bob Owens' 69 (the sliver center striped 69) and "Taz" (the gulf colored Racehome/Dyno West 67 or 68).

Tyler's 50/50 Camaro at Ironworks is another one that looks to be of very high quality and good form.
+1

Personal opinion is 67/68's bodies accept flaring the best. For 69's I prefer Ironworks approach with their Radical 69:
http://www.ironworksspeedandkustom.com/gallery/albums/userpics/Shop_Pics_January_2010_045.jpg

[Stuart Adams]

Blu Balz looks great. Just a little tweak makes a nice difference if done right. Most screw up why we like the looks of the first gen camaros in the first place, IMO.

[SR71]

all flares look like ass on a first gen. they always look like an afterthought and screw up the classic lines.

now a properly executed widebody, on the other hand......

[Flash68]

Bad frickin ass. :thumbsup:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/camp_0906_011967_camaro_race_cartest_run.jpg

[tyoneal]

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=23832&highlight=fat+bottom

here ya go :cheers:

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Yep, Awesome looking!!

Thanks a million, I will try and contact them.

Thanks,

Ty O'Neal

[Cris@JCG]

A 69 Camaro is the hardest to modify it without screwing up the body lines.. I have tried it.. & still not happy with the outcome.. I have a new stretch I will be trying here in the next few weeks on a 69 here @ the shop..

Ironworks approach on Dave's car has been the best one I have seen so far..
Alot of work!

+1

Personal opinion is 67/68's bodies accept flaring the best. For 69's I prefer Ironworks approach with their Radical 69:
http://www.ironworksspeedandkustom.com/gallery/albums/userpics/Shop_Pics_January_2010_045.jpg

Thank you Stuart! The 67 & 68 are easier for me to stretch without making it look funny..

Blu Balz looks great. Just a little tweak makes a nice difference if done right. Most screw up why we like the looks of the first gen camaros in the first place, IMO.

[ironworks]

We are doing one right now that might be the best one we have done yet. I'm not sure if I can or will post pics till it's done.

The rear of Daves car is awesome, but there is ton of man hours in the fender mods we did not his car. TONS.

[Payton King]

Seems to me that is the toughest place to make it look right.

[tyoneal]

We are doing one right now that might be the best one we have done yet. I'm not sure if I can or will post pics till it's done.

The rear of Daves car is awesome, but there is ton of man hours in the fender mods we did not his car. TONS.

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Ironworks:

I checked out the one your making, it looks really nice and easy on the eyes. I have no doubt that it took forever to to where you are on it.

I'm looking forward to seeing it finished.

Thanks for you input.

Ty

[tyoneal]

To everyone:

Thanks for your input.

Do you think on the 1969, you would be better off with just a mini-tub and some tasteful modifications to the fender, maybe with as much stretch as can be achieved without undue issues, so that the distinctive lines are not destroyed?

Don't get me wrong, because they can look fabulous, however without some very deep pockets and a lot of time, the choice of doing a 69 Camaro is in a league of it's own.

Since I put some Race Cars up there, I think I'm hearing from you all that:

A Great Pro-Touring Car is NOT one modified purely for utility, as in the "Gulf Camaro", and the Red "Trans Am" Road Racer, which both have usable Flares, but one that also retains the original lines of the car.

I know everyone has to build what they like, but as I was looking at all the different kinds I could find, there are 100 ways to skin a cat, but retaining the original design lines first seems to be a high priority.

All this said, the real hero will be the guy(s) who make a great set of flares, then make a mold for fiberglass or CF Panels that someone car fit on their cars.

With the cost that it takes to have them made in metal, you could probably get a pretty penny for some FG and CF fenders for the rest of us to buy.

Thoughts?

Ty

[Stuart Adams]

The 67, 68 are much easier on the eyes for flaring, IMO. Blue Balz is just right IMO, suttle but the more you look at the more you think something is different but not in your face different.

Mark's new 67 project should be cool also.

[Vegas69]

I prefer flares that allow a wider foot print/track width. The flares on Josh Kalis' car are subtle enough. I'm just not sure it's cosmetic or functional. From a performance standpoint, it makes a lot of sense.

[Cris@JCG]

Stuart- The problem that I have always seen with first gen Camaro's is that they have a taper @ the rear.. & is a problem with the tires when you lower the car.. Here is another car 67 that we are doing that we removed the taper on the lower rear section of the car.. It still required for us to rework the whole lower section of the tail panel.. I plan on taking this approach with a 69 here pretty soon .. The front also has a nasty taper to it.. but that is boat load of work to remove.. I plan am on keeping finding methods of stretches that are suttle..

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_2011.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_2012.jpg

The 67, 68 are much easier on the eyes for flaring, IMO. Blue Balz is just right IMO, suttle but the more you look at the more you think something is different but not in your face different.

Mark's new 67 project should be cool also.

I agree with you Todd! That is why I plan on stretching BB II from qtrs door skins & fenders..


I prefer flares that allow a wider foot print/track width. The flares on Josh Kalis' car are subtle enough. I'm just not sure it's cosmetic or functional. From a performance standpoint, it makes a lot of sense.

[Musclerodz]

I agree with you Todd! That is why I plan on stretching BB II from qtrs door skins & fenders..

we did this on N-XSS. The fender stretch does not allow for much of a wider track, but allows for turning radius at stupid low ride height. :unibrow: I will post some pics in a couple weeks once we finish the fenders, doors already done. Trust me when I say it is BAD A$$

[ironworks]

You guys are killing me posting up all this early stage work of the quarters on Dave's 69. Quite a few of you have seen Dave's camaro in person and it has come ALONG way from what you posting. So here.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Top%20Secret%20Camaro/ShopPicsJuly2011014.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Top%20Secret%20Camaro/ShopPicsJuly2011015.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Top%20Secret%20Camaro/ShopPicsFebuary2011032.jpg

I have another one we are working on currently and I will post pics when it is further along. Dave's camaro is pretty aggressive and the one we are currently doing is just as wide but along more refined. But It is way more work then what we did on James Shipka's OLC2 and Dave's car.

[preston]

First question - does anyone build anything besides these boring Camaros ?
<Duck>

2nd question - what is going on with those big steel latticeworks in the front and rear glass openings on DAve's CAmaro ? is that just keeping the roof square ?

I am much more functional than you guys, yes original body lines are nice but I dig the aggressive race car look, and wider is better. Especially in the case of my '67 Mustang, the more you lower the car the narrower the track has to get too. So if you want big tires, good stance, and wide track you have to sacrifice aesthetics. While I appreciate stock body lines, how many red/blue/white '69 Camaros have you seen with the same look ? I mean Blu Balz is once of the nicest to date, but from 50 ft away its just another muscle car with nice paint and wheels. You see the silver stripe Camaro above or the gulf, and you are instantly like "F#*& yeah!"

[James OLC]

^^^

Counting down to a patented response from Amir... in 10... 9...

[rwhite692]

You see the silver stripe Camaro above or the gulf, and you are instantly like "F#*& yeah!"

Um....What?

[preston]

I'm saying that stock design lines = another camaro

But you see the camaro above with the gulf paint job, or the one with the silver stripe, and hte big flares and huge meats, and its exciting, aggressive. Yeah you might appreciate the cleaner design of the stock looking rig, but I personally get much more amped about the aggressive race look. Its my subtle encouragement for people to go big and not sweat the flares !

[Flash68]

I prefer flares that allow a wider foot print/track width.

Absofvckingfutely.

Um....What?

I think he meant Bob Owens' 69 and Taz, the Gulf themed 67/68.

I'm saying that stock design lines = another camaro

But you see the camaro above with the gulf paint job, or the one with the silver stripe, and hte big flares and huge meats, and its exciting, aggressive. Yeah you might appreciate the cleaner design of the stock looking rig, but I personally get much more amped about the aggressive race look. Its my subtle encouragement for people to go big and not sweat the flares !

I for one agree with you on the above.

But this isn't the thread to make that boring Camaro comment... the OP is doing a Camaro and asked for opinions and guidance on that specific car. Right?

[Payton King]

you hit it out of the park with Dave's 69.

[Vegas69]

It's sure got a nice aise.

[preston]

But this isn't the thread to make that boring Camaro comment... the OP is doing a Camaro and asked for opinions and guidance on that specific car. Right?

I agree, and apologize.

[ironworks]

It's sure got a nice aise.

It better since the only thing stock is the side vents or gills.

[redfire69]

Dave's Camaro is a work of art. The way you've reworked the rear is awesome! :hail:

[tyoneal]

There is a lot of nice work on this. Do you have some additional pictures?

Thanks,

Ty

Stuart- The problem that I have always seen with first gen Camaro's is that they have a taper @ the rear.. & is a problem with the tires when you lower the car.. Here is another car 67 that we are doing that we removed the taper on the lower rear section of the car.. It still required for us to rework the whole lower section of the tail panel.. I plan on taking this approach with a 69 here pretty soon .. The front also has a nasty taper to it.. but that is boat load of work to remove.. I plan am on keeping finding methods of stretches that are suttle..

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_2011.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_2012.jpg



I agree with you Todd! That is why I plan on stretching BB II from qtrs door skins & fenders..

[tyoneal]

Works of Art!

Very Nice.

Ty

You guys are killing me posting up all this early stage work of the quarters on Dave's 69. Quite a few of you have seen Dave's camaro in person and it has come ALONG way from what you posting. So here.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Top%20Secret%20Camaro/ShopPicsJuly2011014.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Top%20Secret%20Camaro/ShopPicsJuly2011015.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Top%20Secret%20Camaro/ShopPicsFebuary2011032.jpg

I have another one we are working on currently and I will post pics when it is further along. Dave's camaro is pretty aggressive and the one we are currently doing is just as wide but along more refined. But It is way more work then what we did on James Shipka's OLC2 and Dave's car.

[tyoneal]

Yes, the OP (Me), was wanting to get some opinions and some discussion (Hopefully) on what is preferred from the people on this forum. The '69 is a unusual car as it was a 1 year only AND had the prominent styling cues as a final refinement of the Generation 1 Cars.

Since it does somewhat depend on the fender differences from the '67 and '68 car to differentiate itself from the two earlier years, how much change and what kind is acceptable to the 69 before it is visually corrupted where some of the people just hate it.

I guess I was looking for a way to Flare/stretch/replace the fenders and get the best of both worlds.

The Camaro's shown in the first post were deliberately shown as representations of both positions of thought.

I do like that the turning radius when lowered is nice and tight, AND you can get some wide ass tires under the front at the same time. That is the "Best of both Worlds", from a strictly utilitarian point of view.

Does the 69 really lose its lines when the bigger flares are put on there given that they are tons easier to do and probably a heck of a lot cheaper?

Thoughts?

I am also looking for the logical evolution of this car when transfered to a more aggressive track oriented use.

Has anyone really ever done a good job with those fake vents, in making them functional for brake cooling or differential/transmission cooling?

If so, who did the best job in your opinion?

Thanks,

Ty


Absofvckingfutely.



I think he meant Bob Owens' 69 and Taz, the Gulf themed 67/68.



I for one agree with you on the above.

But this isn't the thread to make that boring Camaro comment... the OP is doing a Camaro and asked for opinions and guidance on that specific car. Right?

[Payton King]

but you could do the widening at the top of the fenders and quaters like the Ring Bro's did on the Mustang at Sema.

You could also, not sure how it would look, add 4 inches in the ceneter of the car down the middle and have new front and back glass mader or use lexan.

[ironworks]

but you could do the widening at the top of the fenders and quaters like the Ring Bro's did on the Mustang at Sema.

You could also, not sure how it would look, add 4 inches in the ceneter of the car down the middle and have new front and back glass mader or use lexan.

widening a camaro down the middle would be a nightmare. Nothing would bolt up anymore. Subframe, rear suspension axle housing, ETC. Plus custom glass would cost a TON of money.

I thinking just widening the fender on top is alot different then the the RB mustang. The mustand can use that, but a 69 Camaro is going to look Goofy. JMHO

[legend]

you could take the car to a good patternmaking shop and get them to create a plug for fibreglass moulds of these widebody style fenders. Then when you damage them it'd be cheap to replace compaerd to all the work you'd have in steel fenders. I suppose you'd have to come up with something structural at the rear, but the ford puma did it this way

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/English_Ford_Puma.jpg/250px-English_Ford_Puma.jpg

standard fenders

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/FordRacingPuma.jpg/250px-FordRacingPuma.jpg

widebody fenders

You'd need someone with a good eye to get all the lines right. Is there a clay modelling college anywhere near, you could grab some students for a long weekend to work it out in styling clay.

Used to do a lot of clay modelling it's very quick to do but the final surfaces need lots of practice

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHeVgpqTGYRwSr8BQBP1zxC1iDIW0WS QewIVD5KnEvObEuz2CG

this kind of thing but full size

[Matt@BOS]

widening a camaro down the middle would be a nightmare. Nothing would bolt up anymore. Subframe, rear suspension axle housing, ETC. Plus custom glass would cost a TON of money.

I thinking just widening the fender on top is alot different then the the RB mustang. The mustand can use that, but a 69 Camaro is going to look Goofy. JMHO

Agreed, Mustangs have a solid body line that runs the length of the car, whereas the line on the top of the fenders of Camaros disappears part way into the doors. Changing those lines on a Camaro would be tricky, and would change part of what people associate with Camaros. Maybe that is just me, after all, I'm a person that likes flares so long as the exaggerate a cars proportions, while retaining all of the hard lines on the original.

Matt

[Al Moreno]

You guys are killing me posting up all this early stage work of the quarters on Dave's 69. Quite a few of you have seen Dave's camaro in person and it has come ALONG way from what you posting. So here.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Top%20Secret%20Camaro/ShopPicsJuly2011014.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Top%20Secret%20Camaro/ShopPicsJuly2011015.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Top%20Secret%20Camaro/ShopPicsFebuary2011032.jpg

I have another one we are working on currently and I will post pics when it is further along. Dave's camaro is pretty aggressive and the one we are currently doing is just as wide but along more refined. But It is way more work then what we did on James Shipka's OLC2 and Dave's car.


That there might take the tittle of "THE BADDEST 69 CAMARO IN THE UNIVERSE"! :D

[Payton King]

on adding the width to the middle of the car...cutting the floor out and having Roger build a frame. Just kicking stuff around outside of the proverbal box.

[legend]

or that amount of work you'd be better off buying a dedicated racecar or obsolete nascar. I wonder how big the market would be for fibreglass or carbon widebody wings?

[tyoneal]

on adding the width to the middle of the car...cutting the floor out and having Roger build a frame. Just kicking stuff around outside of the proverbal box.

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Payton & Legend:

Thanks for the input.

That would certainly clean up the the sides, however even though the car would develop a bit of a hourglass figure, I think it would further bring out the classic lines of the car while adding some aggressive Vintage Racing Style.

Not totally efficient aerodynamically, but for the period (Late 60's) it certainly wouldn't be out of line I don't think.

Sprinkled with some modern touches of current technology, it should bring out the classic, "Pro-Touring", theme I would think.

Too many visual modern upgrades would have a tendency to eventually make the cars look like the "Jelly Beans" we have on the road now.

Opinions or thoughts?

Ty