Project Sleeping Beauty... 1970 TA [Archive]

tazzz2_ca

11-28-2011, 10:01 PM

Well we're at it again LOL,,,, Carbon Kustoms has commissioned Scott to do another Bird "Project Sleeping Beauty".... I wanted to challenge Scott to build an attractive yet understated 70 TA Pro-touring build that the average guy could afford.... The car will utilize a stock sub-frame with readily available Ride Tech suspension components and Wilwood brakes.... We will attempt to make some of the hard choices and balance where money is spent and cut as closely as possible to build a very good road map for others that may be considering doing a early second gen....

Of course there will be a certain basis when it comes to Carbon panels,,, but hey that's what you get when I'm financing the build and it's my rules right,,, that is unless someone else wants to step up and purchase the build as we go along LOL...
Anyways without further a due,,, Project Sleeping beauty

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/white%2070%20TA/WhiteTA__rev3.jpg

Firebirdsteve

11-28-2011, 11:37 PM

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Jtomas801

11-28-2011, 11:41 PM

Sounds awesome, it will be done in 3 weeks right? ;) Can't wait to see how the build goes.

Jon

Fitz78ta

11-29-2011, 06:16 AM

can't wait to see how this one turns out.

camcojb

11-29-2011, 08:30 AM

those are beautiful cars. :bow: And the carbon pieces will more than negate the extra weight they carry in the front end versus a Camaro.

Love it, keep us posted.

Payton King

11-29-2011, 09:07 AM

stop building cars can you Albert?

Looking forward to another great build!

Cris@JCG

11-29-2011, 09:24 AM

Albert- Another great build you got going on... It will be great to see Scott build a car with more time..

LS motor?

coolwelder62

11-29-2011, 09:47 AM

I will only be working on this car after my nightly Golf lesson's.:lol:

tazzz2_ca

11-29-2011, 09:58 AM

Albert- Another great build you got going on... It will be great to see Scott build a car with more time..

LS motor?

It's still undecided Chris,,, I have options and to go either way and will figure that out as we go... The whole deal around this car is to move laterally as opportunity avails it's self.... Currently I have a 400 stroked to 461 that I could freshen up and I also have a LS1 with a 6 speed I could put into play... There is also a chance to possibly get a smoking deal on a LQ9 I'm waiting to hear about,,, so as you can see it'll be a decision based on economics...

We're really going to try to do this like someone trying to build a car with best options as they avail themselves.... I have the components to fully build the car in my own collection of parts and I'll be looking to upgrade or take advantage of this and what comes along (provided it fits the spirit of the build well) and maintains that sleeper quick economical model we're shooting for... Wow that last sentence was a mouth full LOL...

tazzz2_ca

11-29-2011, 10:00 AM

I will only be working on this car after my nightly Golf lesson's.:lol:

""""Four"""" LOL

tones2SS

11-29-2011, 06:44 PM

Very nice. That should be a great looking car when complete.
Love the colors.

Vegas69

11-29-2011, 06:47 PM

Albert, you need help. :D

WSSix

11-29-2011, 08:00 PM

It's still undecided Chris,,, I have options and to go either way and will figure that out as we go... The whole deal around this car is to move laterally as opportunity avails it's self.... Currently I have a 400 stroked to 461 that I could freshen up and I also have a LS1 with a 6 speed I could put into play... There is also a chance to possibly get a smoking deal on a LQ9 I'm waiting to hear about,,, so as you can see it'll be a decision based on economics...

We're really going to try to do this like someone trying to build a car with best options as they avail themselves.... I have the components to fully build the car in my own collection of parts and I'll be looking to upgrade or take advantage of this and what comes along (provided it fits the spirit of the build well) and maintains that sleeper quick economical model we're shooting for... Wow that last sentence was a mouth full LOL...

I like this premise and if that is truly the goal, you basically have no option other than to purchase the LQ9 or even an LQ4 if a modern engine is desired. A 4"stroker crank drops right in with no machine work. That puts you at 402 cu in. Bore it out 0.030 and you're at 409. Simple heads and cam and you're making 500+ at the wheels with table top torque. I believe it's in the new PHR but there's a build of a stroker 6.0 using a carb and a "tiny" cam and it pounds. You can do all this for rather cheap and it will negate the ~150 lbs more that the cast iron block weighs compared to an aluminum block. Which also weights considerably less than any engine available in any 2nd gen bird.

No need to thank me for helping you spend your money. It's a service I provide free of charge. Please just don't hit me too hard should you find me hugging/humping the car one day. I'm sure I'll just be going through withdraw since my bird is up for sale and there's no telling when I'll be able to build my own.

Seriously though, it's going to be sweet and I do like your premise for the build. What plans do you have for the rear suspension? I consider it to be more limiting than the front but that may just be my opinion.

coolwelder62

11-29-2011, 08:41 PM

We have installed a ridetech 4-link in the chassis already.Albert already had a stock sub outfitted w/Ride Tech tube control arms,Triple ajustable stocks,Ride Tech sway bar.He also had a nice GM 10bolt rear that we are going to use to keep the cost down.We are not mini tbbing this car.He is chosing to use some real nice year one 17" wheels to keep the cost lower there also.The only over the top componets are the carbon fiber pcs. Albert et wholesale.:lol:

brownz

11-30-2011, 05:59 PM

Love this build. sounds real close to my 79 z build. post some pics :thumbsup:

tazzz2_ca

12-16-2011, 04:01 PM

Thanks for all the positive comments and feed back guys..... The car is out at Brian's for prep painted and we'll post some pic's as soon as he gets a chance to forward them to me.... Brian is a Hell of a painter and body guy that managed to complete the Cochise build in what some would say was an impossible time frame...

On a separate note,,,, I've decided to smooth the stock sub-frame, paint the rear end housing and undercarriage in a satin flat grey (to tie into the Carbon) and the cowl has been replaced in Carbon... Effectively when you open the hood of this car you will will see a motor painted in 70 Pontiac blue floating between and under a Clear Carbon hood, inner fenders and cowl,,, or simply stated floating in sea of Carbon & fine metallic Flat Satin Grey... This is something that the average guy can either do (if he has welding skills and equipment) or have done (have a pro weld and you work the rest) without getting goofy that adds a nice custom touch without getting crazy....

I have also made the decision to run the new Year One "cast Aluminum" one piece rims and have them sent out to be cut for more backspace and wheel contact/width.... The guys over at "Year One" deserve a High Five for providing an affordable option that is frankly beautiful in my opinion...

While some of the moves I make here are indeed self indulgent (putting Carbon on the build) the other moves are decisions I feel add the best bang for the buck in performance enhancement.... I fully appreciate that some people will not share my view point,,, but heck this is what I feel works the best so far within my experience... There are some less expensive options that can be chosen,,, but I feel the selected combination provides the best overall balance between spending and performance at this level of a build..

Thanks again gang,,, and I'll try to keep you more current on the build as details evolve...

OLDFLM

12-19-2011, 08:00 AM

I'm loving the concept behind this build!! Something the average guy can do himself while subbing out the harder stuff! :thumbsup:

tazzz2_ca

04-18-2012, 09:38 PM

Just thought I'd share a couple of quick update pic's on the build after receiving an e-mail from Brian and talking to him on the phone.....

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/white%2070%20TA/Primer1.jpg
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/white%2070%20TA/shellprep2BW.jpg

and with a little color
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/white%2070%20TA/sleepingbeauty0082.jpg
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/white%2070%20TA/sleepingbeauty0102.jpg
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/white%2070%20TA/sleepingbeauty0092.jpg

Fenders with a little clear Carbon detail for the engine bay that will be fitted with a Clear Carbon cowl, a custom smoothed and painted firewall and clear Carbon inner wheel wells and a smoothed painted sub-frame.... The idea will be to create a mono chromatic fine metallic semi-flat gray wash with Carbon accents and then float the LS1 motor (block) in the middle painted out in 70 Pontiac blue.
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/white%2070%20TA/sleepingbeauty0112.jpg

Stay tuned because next couple of weeks this thing is going to start to come together now....

tones2SS

04-19-2012, 06:24 PM

Awesome. Looking forward to the updates.

tazzz2_ca

04-20-2012, 05:08 PM

Stripes underway, Brian Kellison is promising to do something cool here and we'll all just have to wait and see what he is up too... A little birdie said we'd all """really like""" his efforts before it was all said and done,,, something tells me this is gonna be good......

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/white%2070%20TA/red70stripe4.jpg

WSSix

04-20-2012, 05:57 PM

I like that red mimicking the fading the blue had that came on the cars originally. Looking great Albert.

tazzz2_ca

06-17-2012, 09:09 AM

Thanks Trey,,, the car should be a pretty cool little ride for someone when complete... It's setup to be a great street ride and get the job done real nice at the events as well (won't be the fast ride out there,,, but certainly no slouch)...

I believe Scott picked up the car yesterday from Brian's and I'd imagine he'll post a couple of pic's before covering it up and setting it aside (He has to focus on the 1953 series 62 Caddy convertible project for now)....

tazzz2_ca

06-18-2012, 09:04 PM

A little teaser update until Scott shares a few.....
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/white%2070%20TA/alittletease.jpg

Ron in SoCal

06-18-2012, 09:22 PM

Gonna be a stunning car Albert. Appreciate your time today too. You are a great one Sir...:cheers:

tazzz2_ca

06-19-2012, 08:06 AM

Looks like Scott is busy so I'll post a couple more....
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/white%2070%20TA/alittletease2.jpg
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/white%2070%20TA/alittletease3.jpg

OLDFLM

06-19-2012, 10:05 AM

:thumbsup: Looks great already Albert! :thumbsup:

Spiffav8

06-19-2012, 10:13 AM

Looking REALLY good!! :yes:

Qdiesel

06-19-2012, 10:38 AM

Subscribed!! Can't wait to see how this one turns out!

dunnjun

06-19-2012, 11:07 AM

Looks great Albert. :thumbsup: The red looks like it should have been a factory option. Is the paint polar white? I can't wait to see this come together.
:cheers:

Rick D

06-19-2012, 04:27 PM

Stunning Albert, I love how your cars look factory but you can tell things are better! :hail:

tazzz2_ca

06-20-2012, 10:24 AM

Thanks Rick,,,, I really try to mess with the factory or not styling that kind of messes with peoples minds if they're not enthusiasts....

Rybar

06-20-2012, 12:17 PM

Love the striping, and are the rear 1/4 wheelwells flared?? Looks sick :thumbsup:

carbuff

06-20-2012, 01:18 PM

Love the striping, and are the rear 1/4 wheelwells flared?? Looks sick :thumbsup:

X2 on this. I don't think that they are, but that one 1/4 picture has a reflection that actually makes it look like they are. :)

tazzz2_ca

06-20-2012, 10:07 PM

Thanks guys,,,, the quarters are not flared however the lip is rolled....

tazzz2_ca

06-20-2012, 10:35 PM

A couple more quick pic's
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/white%2070%20TA/stripe-1.jpg
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/white%2070%20TA/atease4.jpg

OLDFLM

06-21-2012, 05:08 AM

:thumbsup: This thing is going to be Ferrari / Anvil Mustang sexy!!! :cheers:

tazzz2_ca

06-24-2012, 04:13 PM

A quick shot of the LS1 professionally re-built to insure a smile when leaning on the beauty... We sprayed the block in 70 Pontiac blue and will likely use remote coil packs to provide that old school look out of a retro drive line...
Scott tells me that the car will come back to his shop tomorrow so we'll have more photos coming over the next few days I'm sure....
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/white%2070%20TA/SleepingBeautyLS6001.jpg

WSSix

06-24-2012, 07:18 PM

That engine looks good in Pontiac blue

NOT A TA

06-24-2012, 08:23 PM

Looks great Albert! I like the red & the correct original engine color.

instro84

06-24-2012, 09:30 PM

man that red looks killer!

89 RS

06-24-2012, 10:06 PM

Very nice Albert, like what you're doing with the motor also. :thumbsup:

OLDFLM

06-25-2012, 06:54 AM

Lovin' everything about this build Albert!! Matching Pontiac blue valve covers? :unibrow:

tazzz2_ca

06-28-2012, 09:21 PM

Thanks guys....
Scott picked up the car and took a couple of quick pic's to show me.... I'm really pleased with the decision to do the gray firewall and matching sub-frame as it ties in well with the Carbon Composite cowl and inner wheel wells....

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/white%2070%20TA/Scottsplace1.jpg
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/white%2070%20TA/Scottsplace2.jpg
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/white%2070%20TA/Scottsplace3.jpg

tazzz2_ca

09-15-2012, 11:30 PM

Just a quick update,,, I'm back from LS Fest and dropped by Scott's prior to the event to pickup the Formula when I took these pic's...
Scott has been working on the 53 Caddy, the 70 Sleeping Beauty, and now his 66 Chevelle... Top this all off with helping his son Brandon with the 71 Jevlan and a couple of projects I'm steering his way and he's going to be a very busy guy over the coming months....

The car is coming along very nicely and we hope to finish it off over the next few weeks all things equal....

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/white%2070%20TA/9-16-12update1.jpg

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/white%2070%20TA/9-16-12update3.jpg

Rick D

09-16-2012, 07:01 AM

Very nice Albert and Scott. Scott how much do you sleep these days?? :lol:

WSSix

09-16-2012, 09:19 AM

Nice! I'm anxious to see this one done. Wish I could have bought it too but oh well.

tazzz2_ca

09-16-2012, 11:19 AM

Nice! I'm anxious to see this one done. Wish I could have bought it too but oh well.

Well it's for sale so feel free to step on up ;-)

89 RS

09-16-2012, 10:34 PM

Looking good Albert, love those 2nd gens.

firebirddady69

09-16-2012, 11:00 PM

:wow: beautiful

ELVIS_PRESLEY

09-17-2012, 11:11 AM

WSSix

09-17-2012, 12:02 PM

Well it's for sale so feel free to step on up ;-)

Oh, I know it's for sale. I just can't afford it. It's worth the asking price though.

tazzz2_ca

09-17-2012, 01:18 PM

Our definition of "what an average guy can afford" is WAY different! Beautiful car!

First off thank you for the compliment....

I tried to create a car within reason that the average guy buying a second gen F-body could aspire too.... The Carbon Panels are what I do so please don't crucify me on that that (you can use stock steel in the place of my Carbon panels),,, otherwise think about what has been done so far:

- An LS-1 drive line take out (rebuilt)
- A Ride-tech suspension kit (a Hell of a scalable kit and awesome value)
- Wilwood's entry brake system (their new entry kit, again great value)
- A stock sub-frame smoothed
- Stock interior
- Time spent to detail the parts (sub-frame, firewall, etc)
- Year One wheels (Great bang for the buck & affordable to say the least)
- The new BFG Sport Comp 2 tires (a Hell for a bang for the buck tire)

If you have a better balance that offers better performance, reliability, repeatability, and is budget conscious please chime in with a thread and offer it to others here so that they can benefit from your experience/s... Everyone has a budget, some greater than others... You have to break the bank a little if you're going to attempt to build a pro-touring car in my opinion. The Second Gen's are pretty darn good cars right from the factory and if you are looking for notable handling/driving improvements I can't think of where you'll find a more cost conscious balance....

Anyways I don't want this to sound like a rant,,, rather a challenge to put your knowledge and experience out there for other to benefit from... Who knows maybe you have a better option that is a more affordable approach and I'm all ears to that too....

ELVIS_PRESLEY

09-17-2012, 01:34 PM

First off thank you for the compliment....

I tried to create a car within reason that the average guy buying a second gen F-body could aspire too.... The Carbon Panels are what I do so please don't crucify me on that that (you can use stock steel in the place of my Carbon panels),,, otherwise think about what has been done so far:

- An LS-1 drive line take out (rebuilt)
- A Ride-tech suspension kit (a Hell of a scalable kit and awesome value)
- Wilwood's entry brake system (their new entry kit, again great value)
- A stock sub-frame smoothed
- Stock interior
- Time spent to detail the parts (sub-frame, firewall, etc)
- Year One wheels (Great bang for the buck & affordable to say the least)
- The new BFG Sport Comp 2 tires (a Hell for a bang for the buck tire)

If you have a better balance that offers better performance, reliability, repeatability, and is budget conscious please chime in with a thread and offer it to others here so that they can benefit from your experience/s... Everyone has a budget, some greater than others... You have to break the bank a little if you're going to attempt to build a pro-touring car in my opinion. The Second Gen's are pretty darn good cars right from the factory and if you are looking for notable handling/driving improvements I can't think of where you'll find a more cost conscious balance....

Anyways I don't want this to sound like a rant,,, rather a challenge to put your knowledge and experience out there for other to benefit from... Who knows maybe you have a better option that is a more affordable approach and I'm all ears to that too....

I think you took this the wrong way, my comment wasn't a shot at you. I've been looking at 2nd Gen's a while now because 1st Gen's are out of my price range, I've given up on that dream and I want something different anyway. I'm all for it and I have the same thoughts as you, 2nd Gens are much easier and cheaper to get to the pro-touring level...but I'm the average dude, I can't afford to spend $60-100K.

I'm just a shade tree mechanic, I can handle bolt on parts but no way could I do an LS swap or any bodywork. All I was saying was this car is not an average man's car...that or it could be that I'm a bottom feeder and way below the average man.

tazzz2_ca

09-17-2012, 02:02 PM

I think you took this the wrong way, my comment wasn't a shot at you. I've been looking at 2nd Gen's a while now because 1st Gen's are out of my price range, I've given up on that dream and I want something different anyway. I'm all for it and I have the same thoughts as you, 2nd Gens are much easier and cheaper to get to the pro-touring level...but I'm the average dude, I can't afford to spend $60-100K.

I'm just a shade tree mechanic, I can handle bolt on parts but no way could I do an LS swap or any bodywork. All I was saying was this car is not an average man's car...that or it could be that I'm a bottom feeder and way below the average man.

Elvis,,, nobody is talking bottom feeder here bud and it certainly wasn't my inference in any way I hope fully understand that....

This is not a 60 to 100K car buddy,,, you could build this yourself for around 25-35K or buy it for 45-50 range and that is roughly about as affordable as a balanced as a second gen pro-touring build gets...

If you start with a clean shell that doesn't need paint (they can be found for about 10-13K) and follow the build otherwise... I'll bet you could be into this for a lot cheaper than you think.... there are LS engine mount conversion kits readily available and the wire harness is stock sent off to Spear Tech for update/conversion... Complete LS take outs come up for the 2,500-3,000 range if you're patient... I'm telling you patience and sweat equity will do wonders,, don't dismiss the option,,, or your own abilities so quickly....

fleetus macmullitz

09-17-2012, 02:32 PM

Albert,

I always get T/A overload when I check out all you have going on with your cars ...

More please.

:D

tazzz2_ca

12-26-2012, 08:43 PM

Just a quick update,,, Scott has been "very busy" with the 53 Caddy, his 66 Chevelle, and the sub-frame projects along with working on Sleeping beauty....so here is a nice Christmas update and I thought I'd share it with the board...
The suspension, brakes, and exhausts have been completed as well as having front and rear windshield installed... Ken will be over to deal with wiring shortly and and well look to button this build up... All things equal I hope to visit Scott at the top of the new year to lend a helping hand for a week or so and we'll finish placing the interior and do final panel alignments and take this little beauty for our first test drive....

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/1_zps6ea4c0d7.jpg
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/projectwarpath/3_zpsa0e3ad97.jpg