What's goin on with ISIS

[LowchevyII]

I was just curious what is going on with ISIS. For a while it seemed like the end all be all of automotive aftermarket wiring and now I've neither heard nor seen anything about them. Why aren't builders using them in their projects. I see quite a few using AAW and Ron Francis, but no ISIS. Any particular reasons? I was thinking about running it in my project but am having reservations due to the lack of others running it (meaning to me it may have some insurmountable flaws).

[rjsjea]

Good timing....I was just watching the video on ISIS's website and am in the market for a harness. It would be great to hear from some of the builders here.

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[DOOM]

Jay Harris has always answered my questions. I have a setup for my car and have three friends that have them in there's no problems as of yet . You can't believe what this setup can do its endless. You should also ask over at PT.com thay have guys that have this setup,thats where the original group purchased first started. But if you have any questions Jay will be happy two answer them for you. ISIS isn't a fly by night company I believe there owned by BUSS..

[GregWeld]

I've looked at this system a couple of times... and here was my "take away". It really didn't seem to save any "wiring" or time for installs... and what it really added was being able to fade the interior lights etc...or keep your stereo on after you've turned the ignition off / until you open the door to exit etc.

So if that's not what you have in mind - i.e., bringing your project up to modern day features - then why bother... but if you think those things make your car cooler or it's just because you want stuff to work that way - then this is the ticket.

[GregWeld]

PS -- Apparently I'm using it in my next build.... :D

[Ron in SoCal]

I have no personal exerience with it, but checked it out @ SEMA last year. It seems exteremly expandable and electronic control options are almost without limit. Having said that, you could also piece together a multi-vendor system that will do most of what GW mentioned above.

John Parsons did one I believe. It was a long install, but he was generally favorable about the product. Gandalf/Gregg is doing one now - he's an IT guy and this system is right up his alley. All is right in his world...:yes:

Personally, unless something changes my mind I'm going AAW for ease of install and the fact that I don't need that many options. I'm building a hotrod, not a Dub showcar.

There's a rumor of an impending GP over on PT...

[Ron in SoCal]

PS -- Apparently I'm using it in my next build.... :D

Don't let that tall guy push you around Greg! :lol:

[realcoray]

What does it actually offer that is going to matter for the majority of people? Some of their biggest points were that it somehow sped up installation, that it made identifying and tracking down problems easier, and that it allows customization of how the system operates.

On the first point it has seemed to me unlikely that it would be any faster. Even comparing universal kit to ISIS it seems like I'm missing something that would make it faster and easier to install. Compared to a direct fit AAW type kit, it seems like an even more ridiculous comparison.

Identifying problems sounds good but it seems like many of the potential issues would come from the fact ISIS is a universal wiring kit and you might screw things up because it won't have instructions for your vehicle.

Customization sounds nice also but how many people are going to use any of it?

There are certainly situations where I imagine it's great, I mean if I had a car that had no direct fit kit for it, I would certainly consider it, but I think once the shine of it being a fancy thing wore off, people maybe realized that the half the cost AAW kit was a wiser move.

[ErikLS2]

I have a system I bought for my project but have not yet installed it. I bought it for several reasons. It can handle anything electronic I can think up. It has a kind of anti-theft built into it. To me it's a much simpler way to wire a car and it can be added on to with ease.

ISIS' claim that it uses less wires is based I think on how much wiring you would need if you wanted a lof of the ISIS features and had to wire them in the traditional manner. If you're just wiring up the most common components you won't use any less wire. The ISIS system really is a much simpler and efficient way to get things done electrically though, once you get your mind around how it works.

[DOOM]

I've looked at this system a couple of times... and here was my "take away". It really didn't seem to save any "wiring" or time for installs... and what it really added was being able to fade the interior lights etc...or keep your stereo on after you've turned the ignition off / until you open the door to exit etc.

So if that's not what you have in mind - i.e., bringing your project up to modern day features - then why bother... but if you think those things make your car cooler or it's just because you want stuff to work that way - then this is the ticket.

Friggin buzz kill Weld..........

[JKnight]

It does seem to eliminate or minimize the long wire runs to the back of the car. Rather than running individual wires all the way back, you run the one CAN cable/bundle to the rear powercell, then everything in the rear is driven by the rear powercell. Granted, with some careful planning, you can run one bundle to the back through conventional means....

[GregWeld]

Friggin buzz kill Weld..........

Mario -- I'll let you know how it works in the Bubbletop re-creation car.

Now there's a project that's just made for this type of system..... It'll be out of this world man.... :D

[wellis77]

ISIS is where it's at if your looking for simplicity, security, safety, expandability, programability, modern-ity, all at double the cost of an AAW kit as someone mentioned. My guess to the reason why it hasn't gotten huge is the fact it's more costly and it takes some thinking to wrap your head around it, as someone else said. There are a lot of guys running it that love it. To me it's more simple to wire, simple to diagnose problems, has added security in the key fob option and disabling the system as well as security codes necessary to start the vehicle if you use inTouch; safety because there are no 12 volt wires run to the dash if you set it up right; the expandability and programability allow you conveniences of a modern electrical system. It would take a lot of add-ons and many relays to get what ISIS has out of the box. The capability's of the system are limitless. I have yet to install mine but I have it all planned out, every input I need, every output, where it will go, what it powers, how I want it to function based on each particular input. It takes planning, which when buying an AAW harness made for a '69 Camaro takes none to install (guessing). That said, I think it's money and brain power (the need to use it to understand the system and plan it out, not a lack-of by anyone). Just my.02.

[wmhjr]

Though I like the system let's not forget the other down side. At rtth there was one car owner who had an Isis box die just before the event. You can't bypass the box nor can you pick one up locally, so there is the issue of when there is a (rare) failure, you're down.

[RECOVERY ROOM]

We have had cars in the shop with them installed and when asked about them half said they were a pain in the a$$ and the other half said they were ok, When they quit working your dead in the water so to speak, They will drain a battery some, Everybody that had them said that. Who knows

[GregWeld]

^^^^^^^^^^^ That right there is a mouthfull --- because once you introduce something "electronic" and "specialized" --- it will work perfectly --- right up until the time it doesn't -- and then NOBODY knows who to sort it out.

It will, of course, go out ONLY when you're using the car somewhere -- in the middle of bungholio!

ME <-------- I'll take a simple wire - with a fuse - and I can sort it out ANYWHERE ANYTIME... with simple volt/ohm meter - or tester...

UNLESS of course -- you are the electrician at SAR -- and then even a simple build socket is beyond your grasp!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[LowchevyII]

well this has definitely given me something to think about. I love the expandability of ISIS but like Greg said, it will work fine till youre in the middle of BFE and it goes out. hahaha. I'm still on the fence about it. It just seems like such a solid system but the price compared to AAW is pretty hefty.

PS. Congrats on the nice yellow addition to your garage, Greg. Looks like you should have a ball in that thing.

[GregWeld]

Wasn't trying to be a buzzkill.... rather.... like most of my conversations on here -- just trying to get a handle on ALL the good and bad of anything. Everyone has a different option and experience and skill etc --- and should take all of that into account.

THANK YOU for the kind words on the new track car! Should be fun!

[parsonsj]

ISIS is where it's at if your looking for simplicity, security, safety, expandability, programability, modern-ity, all at double the cost of an AAW kit as someone mentioned. My guess to the reason why it hasn't gotten huge is the fact it's more costly and it takes some thinking to wrap your head around it, as someone else said. There are a lot of guys running it that love it. To me it's more simple to wire, simple to diagnose problems, has added security in the key fob option and disabling the system as well as security codes necessary to start the vehicle if you use inTouch; safety because there are no 12 volt wires run to the dash if you set it up right; the expandability and programability allow you conveniences of a modern electrical system. It would take a lot of add-ons and many relays to get what ISIS has out of the box. The capability's of the system are limitless. Word.

I've installed one, and I love the system. It's got disadvantages, (like the box dying -- but we all use computers that die too) but the basic idea of separating the switches from the devices is how modern cars are built today. On the car I installed, the whole car has two relays... and that was only because the inMotion controller didn't have enough circuits. The ISIS system directly controls the headlight doors (don't need DSE's controller), runs the cooling fans, fuel pump, power locks, power doors, high end stereo, interior illumination, ECU, transmission controller, A/C compressor, heater control valve, etc. etc.

With just two relays. Installing it was very cool, and I plan on using it on future cars.

jp

[ironworks]

We have installed a unit in the 48 Chevy truck project we are finishing up. It is our first. I will have first hand info on all the cool extras it will do shortly. So far it seems cool. I like the fact the remote connects to the main fuse box, you don't have to get an alarm to do that. So one less system. I'm not so sure on the ease of install and all that crap. But it has great advantages to make an old car do modern things.

The guy who did the wiring on the truck has done 6-8 of these systems and says they work great.

[parsonsj]

Another way of thinking about the ISIS system is that it's really a BCM -- Body Control Manager. Which is something that nearly all modern cars have.

We spend big money on upgrading our old cars for modern suspension, engine management, better brakes, HVAC, and stereos.

Why would you draw the line there? ISIS represents the way that later model cars are wired, and it's something you can install. It's a fully configurable BCM for our hot rods.

[wmhjr]

JP, I totally agree with you in principle. One caveat, however. In a factory situation, you have theoretically a higher degree of confidence that should you be stuck in podunk somewhere with a failed component, you'd be able to get a replacement "somewhere". ISIS is far more proprietary, and as such it means that you've got one place - you hope - to get a replacement. Also, my guess is that there is far more resource available to determine failure points, performance and failure testing, etc, with a very large manufacturer rather than with ISIS.

That being said, in the right build it would not stop me from using it. I really like the idea of the system. However, like anything it has its pros and cons.

[parsonsj]

Also, my guess is that there is far more resource available to determine failure points, performance and failure testing, etc, with a very large manufacturer rather than with ISIS.ISIS is part of a large corporation, though I forget which.

I can't disagree with the "single point of failure". If ISIS quits making boxes, and those boxes fail, then users will be out of luck. The same could be said of FAST, Accel, PCS, or Holley engine and tranny controllers too. One would hope that the market would yield a new manufacturer eager to fille the void, but that's only hope, not a guarantee.

One of my favorite parts about ISIS is that I can talk directly with engineering staff to creatively solve problems. The car I wired has several custom features I was able to source with ISIS in "partner" type fashion; stuff that just cannot be easily done with traditional wiring solutions.

[James OLC]

ISIS used to be a part of Littlefuse so the development did come in a "big company" environment. Jay has since taken the ball and run with it.

I've used the system longer the anyone - anywhere - and would not hesitate to use it on a future build.

With respect to wmjr's comments - I disagree. I think that regardless of who's aftermarket system (or '60's vintage factory for that matter) you are using, if it fails in the middle of knowwhere you are hooped. I don't see the likelyhood of being able to find a replacement board for any manufacturer on a whim so that's pretty much a red herring. The ISIS system uses conventional micro (?) fuses so it's not like general service is an issue.

And for what it's worth I have been there - I had a power cell that died on the OLC - it was a simple workaround and the cell was replaced in two days. One of the advantages of a plug and play system...

[rjsjea]

Great responses guys......

[Stuart Adams]

Good to hear it works well.

[wmhjr]

I would respectfully disagree with the comments about ISIS being a "big manufacturer" type of build. Don't get me wrong - I am not in any way criticizing it. What I was saying is that a comparison was made of ISIS and a controller in a "modern car". I simply do not agree that it's likely that the same degree of failure analysis, design, testing, etc exists for ISIS when compared to what is required for units that a global manufacturer does expecting hundreds of thousands of units to be used in warrantee situations especially when regulated by folks like NHTSA, DOT, etc. That does not make it bad. No more than there is a different level of testing behind control arms, etc. ISIS is not responsible for warranty repairs on the entire vehicle and is responsible for only replacing the unit for one year - far differently than many manufacturers who have 10 yr warranties on new vehicles.

James, I also STRONGLY disagree with the idea that even with a more traditional wiring, you're hosed if something breaks. Honestly that's just not true. There is nothing - NOTHING - in my wiring that could not be fixed with some wire, a soldering iron, and some connectors. It might not be perfect, but all essential systems would run - obviously the ignition box is a different issue, but I can find an MSD distributor on a saturday if I need it, as well as another 6AL2 box. I seriously question exactly how a conventional wiring would result in the same situation as a failed ISIS cell. That just isn't true.

I think some comments are being taken out of context, and others are being responded to a little out of context. As I said, I think it's a great product. In the right build, I'd certainly use it. However, it's only right to acknowledge both the up side and down sides of any component that we might use. Fact is that you have one source for the ISIS components, which is far more restrictive than either a factory component from one of the big 3 and FAR different than conventional wiring. I'd also be willing to go out on a limb and say the MTBF on ISIS is not as high as on a factory controller. JMHO. And also, that I seriously doubt that the same level of stress testing is done by ISIS as with GM for production units. Like I said, JMHO. It seems like a great product - ESPECIALLY from a tech focused guy like me. I love tech.

Hopefully that clears some things up.

[LowchevyII]

wow guys i didnt expect this thread to take off the way it did. So much great info. Thanks James for chiming in with your experience with OLC. I'm also very interested in Roger's opinion once his system is all squared away.

[GregWeld]

Actually -- I think one of the systems major "downfalls" is they really don't have very good marketing.... because the people that I talk to never seem to be able to tell me WHY I need this (vs traditional wiring) and or what REAL WORLD benefits I just can't live without. I think THAT is the reason it has a very slow adoption rate. Other than dimming interior lights... WHAT IS IT GOING TO DO FOR ME? When they answer that... and there's real benefits (because the install time savings is complete BS for the first time average guy)... then it's off to the races.

The "average" hot rodder can barely wire ANYTHING... toss in "electronics" and the eyes go crossed... the knees get weak... and it's "fugidaboudit"!

[parsonsj]

what REAL WORLD benefits I just can't live withoutThe answer is none, I think. You can stack up relays and custom control boxes on a traditional wiring harness and achieve the same results.

But here's the hook: ISIS separates switches and control knobs from the device, and puts a programmable computer in-between them. All the control wiring can be 28g wire, since very little current flows. And that computer can combine inputs, sequence inputs, time inputs, etc. The best analogy I can think of is a drive-by-wire throttle. A cable-based throttle works fine, and some would say it works better. (Toyota-bashers, this doesn't concern you, lol), but DBW has a control module attached to the throttle, and that input goes to the ECM, which then tells the throttle blade to move. The input "switch" is separated from the device by a computer.

Once you have DBW, you've got all kinds of things you can do. You can integrate cruise control, you can do cool things with pedal ratio, you can integrate heel-toe blips, you can support traction control, you can enforce engine break-in, etc.

That's what's different about ISIS. As I mentioned above, nearly all modern cars are wired this way.

[GregWeld]

All good points John.....

My S63, R8, and Cayenne Turbo all use the throttle blips --- and I really like that!

But of course -- that feature/function is ONLY with DBW stuff....

I guess we come full circle to the original plusses.... IF a guy wants really modern electronic functionality... he goes with ISIS..... if a guy is driving a carb car... with basic stuff... then this probably isn't his cup of tea.

I like Ironworks truck that uses electric switches in the "old skool" door handles with the ISIS system... now that is pretty cool integration in my book.

[parsonsj]

I agree. In fact, if you don't need at least 3 PowerCells, an inMotion controller, and some custom programming, I'd stay with a traditional system.

Here's a few things I did with the ISIS kit that aren't that obvious:

1. I turn off all non-essential devices while engine is cranking. Windows, wipers, stereo, cooling fans, A/C, headlights, etc. All off. The only thing that gets juice is the starter, injectors, coils, ECM, TCU, and fuel pump.

2. The headlights, cooling fans, and fuel pump "soft" start. That will lengthen their lifespan and reduce the current in-rush. You can now run smaller, higher gauge wire, and numerically smaller fuses.

3. All essential engine circuits are integrated with security. No key fob, no hot wire. (thieves will probably just use a rollback, but still :) )

4. I replaced the DSE RS headlight controller with custom ISIS programming.

5. Ever wired interior lights? Three switches (2 in the doors, one in the headlight switch). 14g wires going everywhere -- to the switches and to the lamps. With ISIS, you have a device circuit with a single wire going to each lamp (wired in series with a ground at each lamp), and a separate 28g wire for each switch.

6. Power window are a dream to wire. Two current-carrying wires to each window. In a whole separate circuit using 28g wire, the switches are connected to the MasterCell. Every single power window has one touch down.

Anyway... I'll stop now. It's not so much about the "features", it's more about the flexibility and configurability of the system.

Hope that's useful!

[GregWeld]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: ^^^^^^^^^ John!


LOL..... I think YOU need to be in their booth at SEMA! That is the very best "reasoning" for this system I've ever heard!

Now I have a long list of "I wants" to discuss with Rodger on the Bubbletop. Love the soft start on any electric motor. I use the Spal PWM fan controller in my cars for that very reason. The soft start and ramp up as needed is just kool (pun points?)

So without going to their website to learn for myself.... do you program with a laptop or with some handheld controller? Or dip switches?

[parsonsj]

LOL..... I think YOU need to be in their booth at SEMA! That is the very best "reasoning" for this system I've ever heard! I think I just exposed the geek at the core of my being, lol. :cool:
So without going to their website to learn for myself.... do you program with a laptop or with some handheld controller? Or dip switches?Well, with mine, soft start was something they did. I told them which circuits, and they sent me a programming file that I down-loaded onto the PowerCell. Mike Weber at ISIS says that "installer programming" is coming, but I don't think it's here yet. I told them I should be (real humble, right?) their beta tester when they get ready to release it.

And to answer your question directly, the binary images are downloaded from a laptop onto the device.

Of my list of things 1, 5, and 6 are installer items. 2, 3, and 4 requires custom programming from ISIS. They usually turned my request into a new binary for down-load in less than 24 hours. But I'd really really like to be able to do it myself.

[scherp69]

Damn you John for making the ISIS setup sound so appealing again. When ISIS first came out, I wanted to put it in my car, but I decided on the kiss philosophy and went with the Highway 22 kit. I was just looking at their site and they really have some cool options. May have to reconsider yet again (what I shock, I may change my mind yet again on parts already bought).

[ErikLS2]

4. I replaced the DSE RS headlight controller with custom ISIS programming.


John, I was going to use the DSE setup for my RS headlights. I have an ISIS system to install. Did you use the DSE electric motors or use something else?
Nice to know I don't need their whole kit. Thanks!

[parsonsj]

John, I was going to use the DSE setup for my RS headlights. I have an ISIS system to install. Did you use the DSE electric motors or use something else?
Nice to know I don't need their whole kit. Thanks!(talking quietly... don't want to cost Kyle sales, lol). You'll still need the DSE motors. Just not the control box and harness.

Here's a low quality video of it working:

http://gallery.me.com/iimuchfa#100008/DSE%20RS%20door%20kit%20with%20ISIS%20controller

This video might work better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8JvU6QJVY70

[Garage Dog 65]

Anyone heard if they are planning on a new model, hardware revision or V2 model upgrade anytime soon ? It would be nice to combine the hardware into 2 units or 1 unit and reduce the space and complexity a bit ? Maybe add a single controller/module type unit to the product line with all the programmability in the 2 or 3 unit setups - that might compete directly with some of the stock wiring replacement kits out there.

I love the system and the capability provided - I just don't have the room in my car without setting up an electronics rack somewhere for all the vehicle, entertainment and engine electronic systems these days. I have something like 10 electronic modules in my G8 ...

Jim

[jharris]

Hey Guys,

Thanks for all of the active discussion about our ISIS Intelligent Multiplex System. There are a ton of topics in the mix here so I wanted to add a little more color to the conversation. Rodger, John & James have already done a great job, here are our two cents.

First, if you are doing a back-to-stock, OEM set-up, carb'ed car with nothing fancy, ISIS will help to reduce the amount of wiring in the car. I'll be the first to tell you that you may be better suited with a traditional harness, especially if you can get one that is tailored specifically to your car. Depending on how you want to connectorize and loom your harness, there may be no benefit in install time.

Since most of the cars built in this forum are popular OEM platforms, stock harnesses are available off of the shelf. A lot of our customers build "odd-ball" cars. (no offense intended in that comment, go try to find a harness for a 1948 Anglia.) In that case, your building your own harness or using ISIS.

The second that you want to deviate from the stock functions in the car, that is where we shine. Something as simple as a vehicle immobolizer and a alarm system are completely integrated in the system when you upgrade to inLINK. There is no third-party box to buy or try to integrate into the electrical system. Things like theatre dimming, headlight delays, turbo timers, remote door poppers, sequential turn signals, single-filament turn signals, one-button starting and motor control are very easy to add. You can buy third-party boxes to do this but they come at a cost, they take up space and you need to figure out how you integrate them into your harness. ISIS replicates these functions, all in one system.

You can take it up another notch by adding our inTOUCH MAX touch screen or inTOUCH Mobile. These are all plug and play add-ons to the existing system.

Jay

[jharris]

Hey Guys,

Here are another few thoughts.

We were originally part of Littelfuse. I spent about 17 years there and led the development of ISIS. In early 2009, I led a team of investors to break of business off to manage it independently. Littelfuse it still a critical part of our business. They are part of our supply chain and we work together on specific market opportunities.

ISIS was originally developed for the off-highway, agriculture and military markets. We stumbled into the restoration, racing and performance markets literally by accident. The exact same hardware that has been powering the One Lap Camaro since day one, is used in busses, RV's, limousines, military trucks and command vehicles. Here's a good example.

This is one of our customers that builds high-end recreational vehicles. Their typical install has 1 MASTERCELL and 6 POWERCELLS. Check out the video at about the 1:15 point. You will see the front part of their install in the coach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvU1vHGFu7k&list=FLWxGQBOXy5xFKCLyYgeDecA&index=5

Littelfuse is the industry leader in automotive circuit protection. As such, our cells are filled with components to protect the system and the users from short circuits, resistive overloads, electrostatic discharges, load dumps, EMI and other nasty things that can happen in the automotive environment. The system was tested and qualified to General Motors' 3172 underhood specification. This battery of tests covers includes things like mechanical shock, vibration, thermal shocks, heat soaks, cold soaks, chemical exposure, salt-spray and salt-fog, immersion testing and electrical overstress.

That being said, we have had failures in field. Both James and John have examples of this. In both of their cars, they had issues because of the circuit protection components that exist in the system. In John's case, there is a fuse on the MASTERCELL that protects the power feed in the CAN cable. In James' case, a diode that is intended to protect the processor from high-voltage did its job.

The system was originally designed of commercial applications, which have pretty specific convetions on how to wire vehicles. Since most of these applications are pretty regulated, the circuit protection schemes were tailored tightly.

We have learned a lot about how guys have been applying the system in our aftermarket applications over the past few years and we have adjusted the levels of circuit protection to the overall system in all of the systems that we are shipping now. For example, the simple change of a fuse rating on the MASTERCELL from 0.375 amps to 0.500 amps eliminates what John Parsons saw in his car.

I hope that this gives you more detail.

Jay

[ccracin]

Hey Guys,

Here are another few thoughts.

We were originally part of Littelfuse. I spent about 17 years there and led the development of ISIS. In early 2009, I led a team of investors to break of business off to manage it independently. Littelfuse it still a critical part of our business. They are part of our supply chain and we work together on specific market opportunities.

ISIS was originally developed for the off-highway, agriculture and military markets. We stumbled into the restoration, racing and performance markets literally by accident. The exact same hardware that has been powering the One Lap Camaro since day one, is used in busses, RV's, limousines, military trucks and command vehicles. Here's a good example.

This is one of our customers that builds high-end recreational vehicles. Their typical install has 1 MASTERCELL and 6 POWERCELLS. Check out the video at about the 1:15 point. You will see the front part of their install in the coach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvU1vHGFu7k&list=FLWxGQBOXy5xFKCLyYgeDecA&index=5

Littelfuse is the industry leader in automotive circuit protection. As such, our cells are filled with components to protect the system and the users from short circuits, resistive overloads, electrostatic discharges, load dumps, EMI and other nasty things that can happen in the automotive environment. The system was tested and qualified to General Motors' 3172 underhood specification. This battery of tests covers includes things like mechanical shock, vibration, thermal shocks, heat soaks, cold soaks, chemical exposure, salt-spray and salt-fog, immersion testing and electrical overstress.

That being said, we have had failures in field. Both James and John have examples of this. In both of their cars, they had issues because of the circuit protection components that exist in the system. In John's case, there is a fuse on the MASTERCELL that protects the power feed in the CAN cable. In James' case, a diode that is intended to protect the processor from high-voltage did its job.

The system was originally designed of commercial applications, which have pretty specific convetions on how to wire vehicles. Since most of these applications are pretty regulated, the circuit protection schemes were tailored tightly.

We have learned a lot about how guys have been applying the system in our aftermarket applications over the past few years and we have adjusted the levels of circuit protection to the overall system in all of the systems that we are shipping now. For example, the simple change of a fuse rating on the MASTERCELL from 0.375 amps to 0.500 amps eliminates what John Parsons saw in his car.

I hope that this gives you more detail.

Jay


Jay,

Thanks very much for posting and showing this community the type of service you provide. I have a question with regard to your last points about improvements in circuit protection. I have a system that I got as part of the group buy. Would my units have this revised circuit protection? If not, can I get it. Thanks very much. Keep up the good work. We should be getting close to laying the system out shortly. I am sure I will be in contact for some help! :thumbsup:

[jharris]

Hey Chad,

You have the diode changes but I think that you may have the smaller fuse on the CAN power feed.

Give us a call at (847) 232-1991 and we can arrange to send you the larger one.

Jay

[ccracin]

Thanks Jay. I have some other things I want to discuss as well. Hope all is well. Talk to yah soon.:thumbsup:

[jeff71]

Check out Eastbaymusclecars.com they did a 70 Chevelle with the ISIS system.

[Z10ROD]

my head is hurting ( i am in process of my first isis system install):_paranoid

[canrc]

my head is hurting ( i am in process of my first isis system install):_paranoid

I just finished my install -- some of the best customer service and support in the industry! The hardest part is mounting the cells after that the system is awesome!

[FETorino]

I just finished my install -- some of the best customer service and support in the industry! The hardest part is mounting the cells after that the system is awesome!

I'm glad to hear :D I have an ISIS sitting in a box waiting to go in my project.

[Z10ROD]

doing better now or understanding a little more I should say just a different train of thought. I got the cells mounted and kinda mapped out and no haven't been working on since my last post more thinking than anything
key fob
push button start
LS3 /4L60E
Vintage air / electric fans ( trinary switch)
have done a bunch of AAW installs and know how to keep them clean

[Z10ROD]

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[GregWeld]

I wish someone would explain to me what savings in labor etc the ISIS system saves?

Your's looks great so far!

[Z10ROD]

I am trying to teach myself how to upload pic's I'v gotten alot further
and have more pic's there is no labor savings just flexability with system.
and thanks

[Z10ROD]

http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg640/z10rod/Iphonepics943.jpg


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[Z10ROD]

note to J HORN WIRE- LEFT TURN SIGNAL- RT TURN SIGNAL THEY NEED TO BE LABLED BETTER ? I'm old and blind couldn't u use letters or numbers
red with blue or blue with red ???????

[Z10ROD]

this system is for someone who has never wired a car.

[Z10ROD]

unless you plan on using an Ipad to control your car ( everything ) this is a terrible choice and is way more expensive than AAW. like 3 times as much work. like vintage air stands alone so does speartech engine and trans controls this is rethinking at the beginning maybe after R&D 3 years from now but not at this time. just my opinion I'm intitled to that right this is not my first build by far.its just not worth it right now maybe later.:yes: