Door glass

[70rs]

Can anyone please tell me the best source/manufacturer for second gen camaro door glass? Thanks!:cheers:

[Rick D]

Eric, The glass that D&R Camaro sells seems nice I have used it a few time it goes under their brand name of Hugger Performance, but you can't beat clean OEM glass just sometimes tough to find. :thumbsup:

[wmhjr]

http://www.autocityclassic.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=151&Itemid=41

I'm pretty happy with the quality of their glass.

[wmhjr]

Yeah, my bodyman tried that company on his 1969 Z28. 6 months later, the glass cracked while sitting in the garage. He was lucky to get PPG glass before the local warehouse closed. Never had a problem with OEM glass.

Jeff

All I can say is that I have their glass in 3 vehicles, and know of at least 50 others that have used it without any complaints. For the record, the factory glass in my '04 Dodge truck shattered sitting in the garage last month. Rear non-sliding window. I've had problems with OEM glass, non-OEM glass, etc.

If it's a windshield, personally I find that there are more problems created by poor installation or especially when it's a reconstructed vehicle, with the vehicle itself, than with the glass. JMHO. I typically prefer OEM myself, but it's gonna be REAL hard to find OEM glass, and then your still working with bonded glass that's decades old. To my knowledge, there is really no such thing as "new OEM glass". Marketing abounds but at the end of the day it's not OEM any longer if it's a 60s car unless it's original.

[70rs]

Thanks for all of the replies and info guys! :cheers:

[The WidowMaker]

a little quote from chevelles.com. id be careful with any glass from anybody. the nice thing about auto city is that that have no questions asked replacement policy. i have a feeling i'll end up using it.

I called Pilkington Glass, there Classic Glass Dept. this morning to check on a back glass for my car, to replace the brand new flawed one I have installed right now, which is from Auto City Classics. Has a bad tempering problem, shows up BAD in shade or cloudy days.
Any way, I'm talking to a friendly sales person over the phone at pilkington and I explain my situation, which he says is a common problem. I ask if he has glass availbale for my Chevelle, he says he has 2 ready to go. $175 plus tax and $100 shipping to the Left coast. Than he says they get there glass from a few different places (I thought they had there own made). The 2 he has in stock are from AUTO CITY CLASSICS, the same place my badly flawed one is from. WTF.

[wmhjr]

Well, I am not surprised on a Dodge. I only owned GM cars & trucks, but never had a problem with cracked glass.

The 69 Z28 is a frame off, but Jack gets his glass installed by local glass installer that has been doing it for over 40 years. The 69 Z28 never had a problem with PPG glass, so perhaps you are buying the wrong brand. People have noticed that Autocity is thinner than PPG or Pilkington glass, so it is is more prone to crack. In the past there was PPG, they had warehouses around the country. We had a PPG warehouse down in Cincinnati, but it is closed. LOF (Libbey Owens Ford) is now (Pilkington). Pilkington Classics main warehouse is located in Columbus, Ohio. I visted their warehouse to buy my glass. Cost is more than Autocity though. Your choice in colors is limited to green tint or clear.

http://www.pilkington.com/the+americas/usa/english/default.htm

Jeff

Just for the sake of facts....

First of all, I've had cracked glass in pretty much every brand you can imagine. Dodge, Chevy, Olds, Pontiac, BMW, Mercedes, you get the picture. It's glass. It happens. The '69 Z28 "never had a problem with PPG glass? Huh? Exactly how many times has glass been replaced? Is it an annual event?

I measured the thickness of my GTO vent window glass, and then the thickness of an original piece of vent window glass that wasn't good enough to keep in the car. Surprise - it is within .002" of each other. So much for the thickness issue - at least with mine.

What people need to remember is that so many cases, places such as pilkington get the actual glass from the exact same producers as other vendors. And also to be correct, pilkington does NOT have OEM glass for classics. They have what they market as "oem quality", meaning that they claim their aftermarket glass is as good as oem. It is not oem.

Also for the record, the auto city glass I have been getting is PGW glass. So try this. Go to the PPG main site (PPG.com) and look over to the right under glass, take a guess what company name is used for their aftermarket glass? That's right - PGW. Pittsburgh Glass Works. PGW IS PPG. PPG markets their "classic" glass under the PGW brand. So to say that Auto City glass (which is PGW/PPG) is thinner than PPG is in fact an illogical statement, no? Also BTW, I'm in Pgh. Home of both PPG and their subsidiary PGW.

It's not rocket science, folks. It's glass. Buy what you want but at least look at facts. Don't make the mistake of comparing Auto City to PPG, when in fact it is PPG/PGW glass that Auto City has been delivering to me at least.

[70rs]

Ya know, when I asked where to get door glass I sure did not expect to start such a problem. Just looking for glass vendor info and options. That has been covered. And I do appreciate the info.
Maybe this should get locked now? It's not a productive thread at this point IMO.

[wmhjr]

I would agree and did not intend to come across as "negative". My guess is that somebody making that comment about my posts in general probably needs to do a little more reading of my posts. I was simply trying to present ACTUAL DATA AND FACTS rather than a point of view from a single (regardless of their own individual experience) body shop. People use this site to make decisions about their builds, and vendors depend on us at least being open.

Comments were made about Auto City and their glass being "inferior to PPG" when in fact, as I mentioned, the glass I received from them is PPG Glass. If that's negative, then well....

As to the not ever seing pics of my project, I probably have not posted too many on this particular site so I'll stick another thread out there

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?p=367201#post367201

[70rs]

I would agree and did not intend to come across as "negative". My guess is that somebody making that comment about my posts in general probably needs to do a little more reading of my posts. I was simply trying to present ACTUAL DATA AND FACTS rather than a point of view from a single (regardless of their own individual experience) body shop. People use this site to make decisions about their builds, and vendors depend on us at least being open.

Comments were made about Auto City and their glass being "inferior to PPG" when in fact, as I mentioned, the glass I received from them is PPG Glass. If that's negative, then well....

As to the not ever seing pics of my project, I probably have not posted too many on this particular site so I'll stiick another thread out there

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?p=367201#post367201

I appreciate your input here. Lots of good info ob top of where to get the glass.

And just so you and every other that posted here knows, I was not trying to single anyone out. I just thought the info had been put out and not much more positive was going on here.

By the way, nice looking goat!

[speedshftr]

i got mine from frank.they sent the wrong kit first then about a month later i called to see when my new stuff should arive.he didnt know but he did get me my glass a few weeks later.great price he gave me but the wait was terrible.that being said the glass i got from him is really nice.i cant complain i think it was 4 bills for side glass.i went flush mount on front and back.good luck

[70rs]

Have you been happy with the flush mount glass? I have thought about doing the same on my car. But I have not seen any second gens with it yet.

[ParkerRS]

Side glass for a second gen. is kinda hit or miss. I'm on my second 2 gen. build now.

The first car I used Autocity glass. The qaulity is great and I have no complaints. The fit is where the rub comes in, the side glas is just a little larger than the factory pieces they replaced. They work fine, but are tight when all the way up no matter how you adjust it. I called Auto city and they offered to send replacement side windows at no charge and said this happens with some runs of second gen. door glass. I decided the fit was good enough compared with the hassle of return shipping, packaging and changing/readjusting windows.

Over on NastyZ28.com glass was discussed at length once and there were problems with side windows from all the suppliers except one. Problem is that the supplier of the good side glass has now changed vendors since the good vendor stopped making the product. This may have changed since I haven't visited the site in a while. I'll be checking on this very shortly as I'm approaching the point of needing glass for my new car.

Also when I purchased from Autocity I ordered the complete car glass kit in smoke tint. The tint glass may be different or produced by someone different than the green tint and clear glass. The rear window is close to correct, but is slightly flatter at the curved upper corner than the factory unit.

Just my experiences with 2nd gen. glass so far. Let me know where you source from and how the fit is.

With the side windows in my 73 they are tight enough in the upper seals that my electric-Life power window motors will not raise them all the way when the door is closed for lack of enough torque. I have to open the door then top the window out and close the door. The lack of torque when raising the windows from the Electric-Life units is another product I will not use again.

[70rs]

Thanks for the info Tommy. I have spoken to you before on the other site. In fact I am using your thread here as a ref for replacing my roof skin.

Are you already on another second gen? (a third one?) Do you have a thread for it?

Oh, and thanks too for the elictric life kit opinion. Power windows are something I want. Is there any other kits out there? Or maybe refurbished OEM components is a better way to go?

[ParkerRS]

No not a third car, I'm still working on project Fool's Gold. I just had some set backs time wise with several elements of the build but it is back on track now and I should have some updates in the coming month.

The electric-life units are "very" weak when raising the windows and I'm not happy with their operation as a whole. They have not failed in any way but just aren't up to the standards I want. For the new car I do have a set of Factory power windows to refurbish but at the same time I'm also looking at Nu-Relics power windows. I've been hearing really good things about the Nu-Relics from several sources.

[Musclerodz]

Thanks for the info Tommy. I have spoken to you before on the other site. In fact I am using your thread here as a ref for replacing my roof skin.

Are you already on another second gen? (a third one?) Do you have a thread for it?

Oh, and thanks too for the elictric life kit opinion. Power windows are something I want. Is there any other kits out there? Or maybe refurbished OEM components is a better way to go?

Nurelics is the other better option

[Musclerodz]

we just replaced the side glass in the 79 we just delivered, it was wavy or leaked. no on it and did not look up the dot number. we replaced it with Pilkington and was much better piece than what was removed. I used autocity, and is hit or miss depending on car and piece of glass. Usually all your problems will be in the side glass.

[70rs]

Nurelics is the other better option

we just replaced the side glass in the 79 we just delivered, it was wavy or leaked. no on it and did not look up the dot number. we replaced it with Pilkington and was much better piece than what was removed. I used autocity, and is hit or miss depending on car and piece of glass. Usually all your problems will be in the side glass.

Thanks Mike. I will look into Nurelics.

I have 3 full sets of door glass. Two aftermarket, and one original set. After looking at all of it I may just use the OE set. I think they can be polished out ok. I bought the others second hand and couldn't tell you which maker or vendor they came from. They are at least 5 years old. Not perfect either. No damage, just manufac. flaws.

[ParkerRS]

Here is the thread I was talking about. http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67233

I called and spoke with Auto City Classics this morning since I will also need glass soon. They have the green tint and clear in stock, the smoked glass is on back order. They would not tell me the manufacturer, only said that they use several different manufacturers.

I used them for their smoke glass kit in my grey car. At that time the manufacturer of their kit was Pilkington Classic. As shown in the link above and as I stated earlier it was larger than original and was a b*tch to adjust and make work. My clearances are dangerously tight and as I said this overcomes the electric-life lift motors.

Just adding information. Tell me if you find anything.