Petition to abolish carb in California

[Jgpclone]

Petition to abolish CARB
I don't know if anyone has seen this yet, but in case you haven't, there's a petition going around to abolish the California Air Resources Board (CARB) and I for one am completely for getting rid of that dishonest establishment.

Coalition of Energy Users » Sign the Petition

http://coalitionofenergyusers.org/abolish-carb/sign-the-petition/
Link from Tech:
Petiton: Abolish CARB!! - LS1TECH
http://ls1tech.com/forums/western-members/1451491-petiton-abolish-carb.html

[camcojb]

I'd love to see it gone, or at least adopt some common sense. However, I really doubt that California would ever do that.

[rwhite692]

CARB is a ridiculously bloated bureaucracy with junk science governing most of what they do...

[intocarss]

CARB is a ridiculously bloated bureaucracy with junk science governing most of what they do...

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[wmhjr]

And unfortunately, CARB has infected PA. We now live with many of the fundamentally stupid edicts of CARB here. I get very frustrated just thinking about it.

[camcojb]

In the early 80's Weber came out with a line of replacement carbs for imports and domestics, mostly 4 cylinder stuff. They wanted to get a CARB EO# so they would be legal to sell in California, which is a huge market. They spent the mega dollars necessary to do the testing, but ultimately failed their initial testing. Not because they increased emissions.......... because they were TOO clean!

Yes, CARB in it's infinite wisdom has a % you must be within as compared to an OEM legal carb to be a legal replacement. Now I understand not allowing a replacement to be worse, but you've got to be frickin kidding me that it also cannot be cleaner! So Weber had to re-calibrate their carbs to "dirty" them up to get back into the specs required for a CARB EO#. Delayed the sales a bit, and just made absolutely no sense to me.

Don't even get me started on the "failed the visual inspection" crap. A stock LS swap into an early Camaro without cats would be way cleaner than any of the stock V8's that came in the car; that swap is not legal with CARB though unless you swap every smog item with it and get it certified through a referee station. But no problem running the stock dirty small block carb setup, that's legal! What's under the hood should not matter if it passes at the pipe for the year and model car. But it's not about smog emissions with CARB, it's about power and money. You can't even buy a CARB legal catalytic converter in California anymore if you're not a certified smog repair or muffler shop. Yep, even a certified legal replacement cat is no longer legal for sale to me to replace a defective unit on my car/truck. Yeah, CARB is great!

[SLO_Z28]

CARB will never go away unfortunatly. At least theyre heading in the right direction, there will be no more tail pipe tests pretty soon on 2001 and newer vehicles, just a scan of the computer.

CARB has had its fair share of scandals too, like a senior board member having a fake PHD. The reports that Mr. Tran authored lead to legeslation too.

[rwhite692]

CARB will never go away unfortunatly. At least theyre heading in the right direction, there will be no more tail pipe tests pretty soon on 2001 and newer vehicles, just a scan of the computer.

CARB has had its fair share of scandals too, like a senior board member having a fake PHD. The reports that Mr. Tran authored lead to legeslation too.



You know what is coming next, right?

There will be transmitters in new cars which will activate when emissions systems have been outside of spec limit.

Once a certain amount of time has gone by without the malfunction being addressed, It will broadcast:

"I am VIN # 783734KV2165T, California Plate# 654HM3. My emissions system has been operating incorrectly for 143 consecutive days."

Roadside boxes at major interchanges, toll plazas, etc will pick up this information, and you will get a nice love letter in the mail from CARB telling you to report to an emissions inspection center within X number of days.

And if you don't show, they will just send you a nice citation in the mail. Maybe throw some points on the registered owner's license, for good measure...

All without any human interactions whatsoever.

Sounds Orwellian, I know.

[XcYZ]

CARB has had its fair share of scandals too, like a senior board member having a fake PHD. The reports that Mr. Tran authored lead to legeslation too.

I remember that. What a joke. CARB is nothing more than just another government body that solely exists to collect from the citizens. Their usefulness is long gone.

[TT302Z28]

Does anyone remember when they would do roadside emissions tests having the CHP pull you over at "random"?

They had a semi trailer in the early 90's that would emissions dyno test your car. We were out on Sunrise (like anyone between 16 and 25) on a Friday night when they decided to perform "random" smog tests. I watched a 1970 Chevelle with a blown 454 blowup their machine. They told him to make a full power test. Last we ever saw of that trailer.

[68FBODY]

Done, I Hate Them

[SLO_Z28]

Does anyone remember when they would do roadside emissions tests having the CHP pull you over at "random"?

They had a semi trailer in the early 90's that would emissions dyno test your car. We were out on Sunrise (like anyone between 16 and 25) on a Friday night when they decided to perform "random" smog tests. I watched a 1970 Chevelle with a blown 454 blowup their machine. They told him to make a full power test. Last we ever saw of that trailer.

If you hunt around on their website there's a great report detailing what a complete and utter failure that whole experiment was.

[DarkoNova]

Like the majority of people have already said, I highly doubt this will do anything, but I'll sign it.

Also, I went through the list of stuff on the site and this caught my eye:

WHEREAS: CARB has proposed or implemented policies that infringe on our right to make our own decisions and run our own lives. Examples include proposed taxeson vehicles CARB does not approve of, mandatory programmable thermostats, imprisonment for not inflating our tires and penalties for dissent.

I'm gonna have to call shenanigans on that. I've never heard of anyone going to jail for tires not being properly inflated. :_paranoid

[camcojb]

I'm gonna have to call shenanigans on that. I've never heard of anyone going to jail for tires not being properly inflated. :_paranoid

they actually passed a law. I remember it was going to be worse, like you had to get a certificate before being able to register your car every year, but it looks like all they did was require auto repair shops to check pressures every time your car was there. They also have the ability to charge for this service, though I don't know any that do. I would not be surprised if it ends up costing us money, certificates required to show compliance, etc. in the future.

http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2009/04/checking-the-tire-pressure-now-law-in-california.html

[SLO_Z28]

Penalties for Non-Compliance: As with most other CARB regulatory violations, the penalties
are extremely steep. An automotive service provider that fails to comply with the regulation is
punishable by fines of up to $25,000 per day, and nine months imprisonment if the violation was
the result of negligence and up to $75,000 per day and one year imprisonment if the violation
was intentional.

Seems a bit steep?

[camcojb]

Seems a bit steep?
hey, it's California. We do everything big.................... :lol: