Dead Cat 2.0: Jake'sTorque Arm Install

[Payton King]

I just don't have it in me to come up with anything more clever today. Some of you may know of my car and others may not. I have not posted anything about my car in a long time, so I guess it is about time to let the cat of of the bag. (OK that was a little clever)

I have owned the car for 18 years and it the second restoration has been complete for about 3 years. It is the normal pro-touring affair with leafs and a slight tub running C6 rim and tire package. I have been wanting to upgrade to a different rear suspension and tire package for a couple of years. I have actually had the rims for a year and a half sitting in my attic. I finally started the transformation after Run Through The Hills last year. The car went to Holohan's Hot Rod Shop (www.holohanshotrods.com )on Jan 1st of this year. The good news is I am about 4 weeks away to having the car back together and driving which means I have been saving pics for months and you will not have to follow this thread long to see the build.

Here is what I am starting with
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[Ron in SoCal]

Good deal Payton. I'll be interested to hear your feedback on Jakes rear set up. Install, performance tuning, stuff like that...:thumbsup:

[70rs]

That was already a badass car, cant wait to see the 2.0 verson!

[BBC71Nova]

It's about time Payton :yes: . I kept thinking someone would ask about it after seeing it in the background of some of my pics.

Can't wait to see how well it works when you get it back together.

[Musclerodz]

I have followed some of it on facebook. very worthy upgrade

[coolwelder62]

Payton,Come man quit holdin out on us,Post up some some photo's.:lol: I love that shade of yellow.:thumbsup: I think Kevin and I will be down your way about 2days before the Charlotte Goodguy's this year.Scott M.

[Payton King]

So, as you can tell by the title I am going to be installing Jake's Torque Arm rear suspension. I will be running a watts link and also changing the rear end to a Moser full floater. The rims are HRE C21's that I purchased off of the Corvette Forum in C6ZO6 sizes. 19x12.5 in the rear with a 335/30/19 and the fronts are 18x9.5 with 275/35/18 Nitto NTO5's.

My computer is acting up and freezing so I will post more pictures tomorrow.

Thanks for the kind words above. Y'all are replying before I can get my post completed. LOL

[Flash68]

Very cool car. Anxious to see more on the Jake's TA setup. :thumbsup:

Y'all are replying before I can get my post completed. LOL

You gotta jam more action into the first post! :lol:

[214Chevy]

That was already a badass car, cant wait to see the 2.0 verson!

Yep!! I never knew who owned this car, but I've always liked it.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Y'all are replying before I can get my post completed. LOL

But to the outside world it appears we lead rich, full lives.

:lol:

[Payton King]

I am ready to try this again. I think I am going to write text and then post pictures as when I tried to do both yesterday it was freezing up.

For those of you that do not know who Dan Holohan is, he use to work for Troy at Rad Rides and then went to DSE for 3 years. Opened up his own shop a year ago and it filled up quickly. He just took over the space next door. For a brief moment I thought about doing the re-tub and torque arm install myself, but with limited space, skills and 2 boys 11 and 8, it was too much for this old dude. Dan's work is some of the best I have ever seen and has proved it on my car. Look him up at www.holohanshotrods.com Not sure if he has them up or not but he has maybe 500 pictures of this build. I have 260 and will try to post plenty but not so much that it is boring.

First up is the mini-tub. When the car was originally built I only tubbed it over about 1.5 inches to clear the 285's I was running. Big mistake, now I have to take a completed car and cut it up to make room for the 335's. I hate when tires rub, so Dan actually widened the DSE tubs. Now for the pics

[Payton King]

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[BanditDave]

I generally don't prefer yellow cars but man, there is something so classy about this one...looks fantastic! :thumbsup:

[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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And the finished product

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[Rick D]

Are those DSE tubs that Dan widened or stock one that he widened?? Looks like a great start to the refresh/rebuild :thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

Are those DSE tubs that Dan widened or stock one that he widened?? Looks like a great start to the refresh/rebuild :thumbsup:I think Payton said they were DSE tubs that master has widened.Man,I really like that yellow.:thumbsup:

[carbuff]

Payton,

You'll enjoy this. When my JRS setup arrived, the box that my axle housing was in had your name on it. I called Jake all worried that he had somehow swapped our housings, but he assured me it was just an issue of picking a random box to rehouse it after the brackets were attached. :)

Wish I was as far along as you, but I can't wait to get this JRS stuff under a car and on the road!

[Rybar]

Looking good Payton, was wondering when you would post this thread. Project is looking good, dont hold out on us we need more pics :D

[Payton King]

Sorry that I was gone all weekend. Had an 18 year aniversary with my lovely wife and she needed some attention.

Yes those were DSE tubs that were widened.

Carbuff, the shipping thing was real jacked up but it finally came in and obviously you got your stuff as well.

Tubs going in

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[Payton King]

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[syborg tt]

Sorry that I was gone all weekend. Had an 18 year aniversary with my lovely wife and she needed some attention.

I had the same issue 12 years for us.

btw Happy Aniversary

[Payton King]

It goes by in a flash!

Tubs are in now it is time to mock up the rims and tires

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[Jr]

Damn! Those wheels look killer on the car!

[Payton King]

I really like them a lot. It is hard to tell in the pics but it is a polished lip and a matte center that has been clear coated. I must still be a little old school as I like a little bit of shine on my rims.

[Ricochet]

Looks great Payton! Nice upgrade!! :thumbsup: Always liked that car....now even more so !

[Rybar]

I must still be a little old school as I like a little bit of shine on my rims.

They look killer Payton, you and me think alike :thumbsup:

What's the reason for widening the DSE tubs? And did you have to modeify the frame rails any differently than the way DSE does for the standard mini-tubs?

[coolwelder62]

Payton,Looks real good.Wheels are perfect.I really like that shade of yellow.:thumbsup: Dan makes this fab work look easy.Scott M.

[Steve1968LS2]

That looks killer Payton.. you're making a great car even better!

Leaving the underside yellow?

[Payton King]

I am leaving the bottom yellow. I like the contrast with the black suspension and polished look of the exhaust. Going to do the gas tank black but leave the stainless straps.

I wanted plenty of room in the wheel well is why we widened them. Running a 12.5 rim and the 335's is close to 14 inches from tire bulge. I think I have 15.5 inches now at the closest point. We did get into the frame deeper, Dan plated it up so we would no loose any strength.

It took me years to decide on the color of yellow that I wanted. It is Dodge Viper Racing Yellow sprayed on a white sealer/base.

[Stuart Adams]

Looking great bud.

[Jay Hilliard]

Those wheels look great on the car. Thanks for the advice the other day. Dan did an awesome fab job.

[Payton King]

So I will try and speed it up.

Everybody knows about the pad knockback problems when you really start leaning on a 9 inch with fixed calipers and sealed bearings. Since I was upgrading the rear suspension and was going to need to shorten my present 9 inch, I opted to kill 2 birds with one stone and sprang for a full floater from Moser. I got the DB floater (dual bolt pattern 5x4.75 and 4.5) The center register on that rear is the standard Ford 3.06. I had Moser turn it down to 2.78 (standard Chey) so my wheels would fit.

My next challenge was that I wanted to keep an emergency brake. Jake and I discussed it and came up with the idea to use my existing intergrated emergency brake used with my Wilwoods and make a mount to bolt the assembly on the housing. Jake then machined my existing hats to mount to the floater hub. Very easy retro-fit, but it will not work with a high negative offset wheel. It worked on mine because my rim has around 8 inches of backspacing. Plenty of room for the brakes and not get into trailing arm brackets or shocks.

Another way to solve the e-brake issue is to have a custom rotor adaptor made if you are running a 13 inch or larger rotor, and use a seperate caliper.

[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

pre-assembly.

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[Ron in SoCal]

Great pics/floater write up Payton. Rear looks really stout! :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Looking damn good, sir...:unibrow:

[carbuff]

This all looks very familiar! Unfortunately you will probably have your's installed under your car before I will...

[Payton King]

The car is going to paint this friday, for the bottom to be spotted in. All the fab work is complete. I am just catching everyone up.

Thanks again guys. I am getting pretty excited. If I can get it together by the end of July I am trying to go to the UTCC and do an HPDE there at VIR. If not, I will just be a spectator.

[Rybar]

Very cool Payton, not your regular 9-inch Quadralink or G-bar setup going in there. :thumbsup:

[skatinjay27]

sweet payton!!!!!
cars gonna be on another level!!! i prefer polished lips also, and the wheels look awesome!

[waynieZ]

Payton The car looks killer, but then again I always love your car anyway. They do some awesome fab work.

[Payton King]

I am about to go on vacation. I cannot remember if I have ever taken a full week off since I have gotten out of college and into the real world. I am going to try and get a bunch of pics posted.

Here is a lesson I have learned more than a few times over the course of owning this car for 18 years...nothing ever goes on the way it is supposed to fit. Jake's Torque Arm is designed to fit under a stock trunk pan and be a very easy and non-invasive install, one of the many reasons I went with his system. Not on my car, running a drop version of the 21st Century subfame and half height DSE bushings, my car is lower than most. When we positioned the rear end housing where it needed to be located in the car at ride height and using the ride height length of the shocks...we were in the trunk a couple of inches with the watts/shock mount. Great, break out the cutting wheel.

[waynieZ]

With that talent they will make short work out of it.

[GregWeld]

I am about to go on vacation. I cannot remember if I have ever taken a full week off since I have gotten out of college and into the real world. I am going to try and get a bunch of pics posted.

Here is a lesson I have learned more than a few times over the course of owning this car for 18 years...nothing ever goes on the way it is supposed to fit. Jake's Torque Arm is designed to fit under a stock trunk pan and be a very easy and non-invasive install, one of the many reasons I went with his system. Not on my car, running a drop version of the 21st Century subfame and half height DSE bushings, my car is lower than most. When we positioned the rear end housing where it needed to be located in the car at ride height and using the ride height length of the shocks...we were in the trunk a couple of inches with the watts/shock mount. Great, break out the cutting wheel.


It's why they call it hot rodding.... I have to "hot rod" almost every part I ever touch. No two parts (other than OEM) seem to ever go together without a touch or two. :yes:

Car looks Great! Not sure how I missed the thread....

BTW --- we just did our 40th! Talk about time flying by... ha! You haven't even started yet. Seems to go faster and faster each year.

[Vegas69]

Sounds like you're sinking the set up pretty deep in the car. I'd look for tunnel/pinion clearance issues with your pinion angle set and at fulll bump.

[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

And of course the cross member that comes with the kit will not work on my car, so Dan to the rescue

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[Payton King]

I had the leafs on before with lowering blocks, my rear axle tubes hit the rear frame rails at the same time my drive shaft hit the tunnel. My front trans angle was set at zero. We (Dan) remade my trans cross member and dropped it about an inch to give us a little more room. The suspension will bottom before the axle tubes hit the frame rails now. Should not have a problem with the drive shaft hitting the tunnel.

From the pictures it appears I am deeper into the trunk than I actually am, maybe an inch or so. At ride height we have 3 inches of compression and 2 inches of rebound...5 inch stoke shock. Axle tube is 3.5 to frame rail.

Greg, the time does fly. I look in the mirror sometimes and think, how did that happen. I always said I would never get married or have kids and now it has been 18 years and I have 2 boys 11 and 9.

[GrabberGT]

I had the leafs on before with lowering blocks, my rear axle tubes hit the rear frame rails at the same time my drive shaft hit the tunnel. My front trans angle was set at zero. We (Dan) remade my trans cross member and dropped it about an inch to give us a little more room. The suspension will bottom before the axle tubes hit the frame rails now. Should not have a problem with the drive shaft hitting the tunnel.

From the pictures it appears I am deeper into the trunk than I actually am, maybe an inch or so. At ride height we have 3 inches of compression and 2 inches of rebound...5 inch stoke shock. Axle tube is 3.5 to frame rail.

Greg, the time does fly. I look in the mirror sometimes and think, how did that happen. I always said I would never get married or have kids and now it has been 18 years and I have 2 boys 11 and 9.

Nice looking setup

What about the pinion support/adj bars. They look like they might hit the rear seat tubs if you get much lower. Mine did. I had to cut reliefs in the floor to make room... which sucked since the primary reason for getting the torque arm was to keep from having to cut into the floor. Its prob not a prob for you though seeing that it was made for a Camaro. Mine was made for a Mustang (TCI kit) and was being installed in a Maverick. :rolleyes:

[Bryan O]

Man,I really like that yellow.:thumbsup:

^^What cool said! :thumbsup:

eta: love the whole car, too. :yes:

[Payton King]

of the picture. It does not touch. There is a lot of stuff in a little area. Once I get to the exhaust pictures you may be able to see it a little better.

Suppose to go to paint tomorrow. Woo Hoo!

[70rs]

Congrats Payton, thats a killer upgrade and a pretty quick turn around.
Next up, full track report! :cheers:

[89 RS]

Nice upgrades...and those new wheels are killer also!

[66GTFB]

Just curious, is there a reason for so much backspacing on your rear wheels? Just the look you were after? Or for caliper clearance with your floating hubs?

[69x22]

Looking good

[Payton King]

factory C6Z06 back spacing so it would be easy to order wheels or pick up a set used off of corvette forum...ie another set of track wheels

The deeper wheel also allows me room for the e-brake set up on the floater

Back from vacation. Lots of pics coming

[coolwelder62]

Payton,Car guy's use their Vacation to work on their car's.:lol: At least that is what I have told my wife.:lol: The camaro is coming along great.:thumbsup:

[Payton King]

of town. I need to take a few days off and get the car back together.

Time to fab up the exhaust. With the new torque arm, we had to re-make everything from the mufflers back and did some tweaking up front. As you will see from the following pics, there was no room for the tail pipes. Dan went up and over the watts and further into the trunk.

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Vegas69]

Absolutely beautiful work. :thumbsup: Smart move keeping those tail pipes. That's one of the next changes for me. I'm about sick of my dumps.:willy:

[vinz68]

Great work!!!! You gonna have it done for VIR next week??

[Payton King]

He Tig's everything.

My car is not going to make VIR. Thought it would be back from paint last week, but it was not meant to be. I am driving in friday about 6:30 pm or so and staying with Ron. I am going to miss your run, but you can fill me in.

[Cris@JCG]

Really nice work their Payton! :thumbsup:

[HotRod68Camaro]

The work on the exhaust is awesome. Makes me really want to learn how to tig.

[BBC71Nova]

Nice looking exhaust. Do you have any picture of the finished trunk? That turned out to be a lot of work but it looks awesome. Different animal now I'm sure. Like you told me I guess, "if you are gonna be a bear you might as well be a grizzly." :thumbsup:

I missed seeing it when I was there Friday. If he keeps getting those Camaros in he's gonna have to rename the place Holohan's Pro-Touring Camaro's :lol:. The Nova's have been relegated to the annex...

[cencalc6]

Excellent work,Love the Detail Pics.......you have a Nice Build going on :thumbsup:


How much are you raising the trunk floor?

[radrambler]

PAYTON

Looks like:hail: Dan is doing everything to make it as nice as i could be.
He does have amazing talent..:thumbsup:

Tom

[coolwelder62]

WOW!!,Awesome!!,Over the top!!.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Man I really like that shade of yellow.:thumbsup:

[Track Junky]

Looking awesome!!:thumbsup:

[Payton King]

The watts only went into the trunk a couple of inches and then we had to route the exhaust through there. So, the center part is up about 2 inches and the part over the exhaust is about 6 inches.

Oh, I am a big ol' bear. Did not plan on getting this deep, but who ever does? Trunk pics will be up today.

[Payton King]

so I will have to explain. We cut so much out of the trunk that Dan plated the rear portion and added a few more bars to put the strength back into that area. Here is the finished product before we start on the trunk

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

from the bottom looking up into the exhaust area

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

With the seat brace back on and a small section POR'd and lizard skinned.

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[GregWeld]

Payton -- that's looking first class! Nice welding and I like the use of the silicone bronze rod...

[dhutton]

Beautiful work. Just curious, how long did it take to do all that finish TIG welding? I don't think I have the patience, aside from the obvious lack of talent, to do work of that caliber.

Don

[waynieZ]

It looks great Payton. They do beauitiful work.

[HotRod68Camaro]

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Do you know what type of rod they used?

[Payton King]

and get Dan on here to answer some questions. I know he was in the trunk working the pedal with his ear and welding behind his back and between his legs. LOL

[Fluid Power]

Nice! It makes me feel like I put my stuff together with a hammer.

Darren

[Payton King]

silicone bronze rod.

[GregWeld]

Kyle -- Silicone bronze rod is great for TIG on sheetmetal etc where it is NON STRUCTURAL.... it welds with lower heat - thus lowering the warp factor...

[HotRod68Camaro]

Awesome, thanks guys. I want to pick up a TIG soon so i'm trying to learn as i see fab pics.

[Steve68]

PK, Looks awsome,

Dan makes patterns with card board and green tape, so do I, works great !!!!

[coolwelder62]

Well after seeing what Dan has done.I have desided to give up fabricating altogather.I quit.:lol:

[Rybar]

Looking good Payton, don't you love how a mini-tub turns into a huge snowball of other things. :thumbsup:

[bonecrrusher]

DAMNNNNNNN - looks awesome!!! :thumbsup:

[HOLOHAN'S HOT ROD SHOP]

Hey Guys,
Glad you guys like the work. Doing that kind of work is definately a challenge but having a good project owner like Payton makes a guy want to do his best.
Probably the most challenging thing working on a project like this is that's it's a painted, running car, a very nice painted running car! So being careful is half the battle and the other half was trying to figure out how to get my old, half blind butt in and out of that trunk. Had it pretty much down to a science before it was done, but did almost get stuck once.
Legs hanging out the trunk, pedal bewteen my knees and my head stuck with my helmet on, under the package tray, but did mange to get out after a lot of grunting and talking to myself......

Again, glad you like the work and thanks for the kind words......

[rwhite692]

Kyle -- Silicone bronze rod is great for TIG on sheetmetal etc where it is NON STRUCTURAL.... it welds with lower heat - thus lowering the warp factor...

Yup....

W/silicon (note, there's no "e") bronze rod, It is not unlike gas brazing. You are simply using a different method of providing the heat.

[radrambler]

Hey Guys,
Glad you guys like the work. Doing that kind of work is definately a challenge but having a good project owner like Payton makes a guy want to do his best.
Probably the most challenging thing working on a project like this is that's it's a painted, running car, a very nice painted running car! So being careful is half the battle and the other half was trying to figure out how to get my old, half blind butt in and out of that trunk. Had it pretty much down to a science before it was done, but did almost get stuck once.
Legs hanging out the trunk, pedal bewteen my knees and my head stuck with my helmet on, under the package tray, but did mange to get out after a lot of grunting and talking to myself......

Again, glad you like the work and thanks for the kind words......

:hail: Dan.... i know its not over the top because of your skills but you really made that turn out nice.. One camaro down a few more to go..lol
Payton.. we wanna know how it drives...

Tom

[Payton King]

Just came back from paint on Saturday. Waiting on some parts from the coaters and then put it back together.

[radrambler]

Just came back from paint on Saturday. Waiting on some parts from the coaters and then put it back together.

:thumbsup: sounds great.. cant wait to see the finished pics and hear how it drives....

Tom

[Jay Hilliard]

I saw the car Sat. and it looks great. Ronnie did a very nice job painting and Dan did an awesome job as always.

[Payton King]

seen pictures of it. Hopefully I can get up there soon

[Payton King]

painted. Dan made a dolly. I guess I have the first pro-rik shah

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[Payton King]

I decided I did not want to use the poly bushings and I was not hip to the heim joints, so I took JP;s advice and used the sphoon ends. Very nice piece but they are large, which made us modify the bracket on the housing and do a little work in the pocket. Turned out nice
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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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Conical washers too

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[syborg tt]

I figured since it was Dan he converted it to FWD .

You know the man is a magician when it comes to cars.

painted. Dan made a dolly. I guess I have the first pro-rik shah

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[Blake Foster]

I Highly doubt you will get any traction with those reae tires. but if your trying to set a new trend you may have something there

:thumbsup:

[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

I drive like I need training wheels. Guess I have a set now

[skatinjay27]

man o man just see it with the front wheels(at those kick azz rear!) you can tell the car is gonna be on a whole nother level with those HRE's over the vette wheels..:unibrow:

[Rybar]

That is looking Killer Payton. :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

That looks hot with the HRE's! :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

I drive like I need training wheels. Guess I have a set now

Haha, first thing I thought of! Congrats Payton, looks great...:thumbsup:

[56pickup]

looking great! Wheels look good!~ :thumbsup:

[radrambler]

PAYTON

THE OLE CAT LOOKS GREAT.:thumbsup:

Tom

[coolwelder62]

Payton,Wow!! looks awesome.Dan,:thumbsup: Man I like that shade of yellow.

[bonecrrusher]

You might be in style down off South Blvd with those wheels.... :unibrow:

[Payton King]

I do have some mock up pics

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[Rybar]

That looks SICK!! :thumbsup:

[Al Moreno]

That looks AWESOME! What a difference wheels and tires make.

[cencalc6]

Awsome Job! :hail:

[coolwelder62]

I am not going to say Great job,Awesome,or looks good.Because some folks are getting tried of hearing those things.So all I will say is Can't wait to hook up W/U in Charotte this fall.:thumbsup:

[Payton King]

I am diggin' it a pretty good bit.

Scott, at the rate I am going it may fall before I am driving. LOL Hopefully it will be on the ground by next friday. Still waiting on exhaust from coaters.

[BBC71Nova]

Fantabulous! I think that one hasn't been worn out yet and is still available for use :). Hoping maybe when I come back up that way I can check out the finished product.

[Rick D]

Hay Payton, I know you said your rear end is set up to run stock size Corvette wheels, so if I could ask want width is your rear?? I am looking at doing the same thing with my 69 Camaro also what sub frame are you using?? Thanks for the info.

[Cris@JCG]

I want to see it on the ground! Looks great :thumbsup:

[Payton King]

the width is extremely close to a stock 69. 59 inches and I am running small spacers on each side to dial in the exact spacing (1/4 to 1/2). I can get the the measurement of my spacers this week for a total width. Rims are 19x12.5 with a +53 mm offset.

I want to see it on the ground as well

[user667]

Very, very nice! :thumbsup:

[Payton King]

Here is where we are now

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[Payton King]

POR before the Raptor

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

my regulator, so it was recessed into the tank

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[Jr]

Payton,

The Camaro is looking killer!

Why did Dan lay UPOL down before the Raptor?

[Payton King]

as an extra layer of protection from rust.

[coolwelder62]

Payton,Look's awesome.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Man I love that shade of yellow.:D Scott M.

[slenning]

Looking great Payton can't wait to see it again. maybe Motorstate again next year?

BTW, Like the cat print, too bad it got covered up :lol:

[waynieZ]

It looks great Payton, getting close!

[Payton King]

Just a little assembly left. Everything is back from the coaters, I put the headers on last Friday.

Need to run new rear brake line, re-route a fuel line and build a new sub box and I should be good to go.

Missed a lot of events this year, plan to hit them all next year.

[Rybar]

What do you need a sub box for when you have a built LS to listen to :unibrow:

[coolwelder62]

What do you need a sub box for when you have a built LS to listen to :unibrow:He need's a place to keep those sub sandwhich's fresh while heading to the car show.:lol:

[Payton King]

Had one in there before and with the trunk change, the old box will not fit. I still keep telling myself this is a pro-touring car and not a race car. I debated long and hard whether to put one back in the car. About 60 lbs of box, sub and amp. Then I figured that an extra 60 lbs is not going to make or break any time I lay down at any track.

You are right, the car is so loud I did not have enough power or the right gear to really hear it when I was cruising. I have 800w going to a new 10 inch sub now...should be able to hear it (for short periods)

There is a 90% chance that I will make the box/sub and amp removable as a unit for when I am feeling really racy. More to come on that later

[Rybar]

Had one in there before and with the trunk change, the old box will not fit. I still keep telling myself this is a pro-touring car and not a race car. I debated long and hard whether to put one back in the car. About 60 lbs of box, sub and amp. Then I figured that an extra 60 lbs is not going to make or break any time I lay down at any track.

You are right, the car is so loud I did not have enough power or the right gear to really hear it when I was cruising. I have 800w going to a new 10 inch sub now...should be able to hear it (for short periods)

There is a 90% chance that I will make the box/sub and amp removable as a unit for when I am feeling really racy. More to come on that later

Just joking buddy, I took mine out and tossed it. Probably threw away $2-3k woth of box, subs, amps and all that garbage. Never listed to and dont miss it now. :lol:

[Payton King]

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[coolwelder62]

Payton/Dan H.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Looks great Payton.

PS: Forget the "stereo" -- the true stereo is the exhaust note.... :D

[Payton King]

Still debating on the stereo

Floater with the e-brake going together

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[coolwelder62]

Floater is looking good.:thumbsup:

[pro-touring.no]

looks like its soon ready:) that will be a very nice car... looking foward to see it...

Kjell

[69x22]

The bottom of the car is going to be unbelievable with that yellow paint. (as usual) I would defiantly put the stereo stuff back in it.

[Payton King]

But they are sorted out and I should be bringing the car home this friday. I will then only need to run a new rear brake line and fuel line to be able to drive the car. Stereo is going back in. Here are few updates. Recessed the fuel regulator in the tank and had it coated black. Rest of the stuff is in the car and waiting on some fittings for the calipers to clear the shocks.

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

upside down. They were thrown on as a mock up. They have been corrected.

It looked like I was going to have all sorts of room when nothing was bolted up. There is all sorts of stuff going on in a small space. I cannot say enough about the work that Dan has done.

[70rs]

The bottom side of your car looks better than the top side of every car I saw at a local show saturday. VERY NICE!!!!!:thumbsup:

[Jay Hilliard]

Looks awesome Payton. Exhaust turned out great.

[cencalc6]

Excellent Job! :cheers: :thumbsup:

[Rybar]

The bottom side of your car looks better than the top side of every car I saw at a local show saturday. VERY NICE!!!!!:thumbsup:

Was going to say the same thing :lol:

Nice job Payton. :thumbsup: Now post some damn pics of it with the wheels on the ground, your killing us here :lol:

[Ron in SoCal]

Payton your car looks awesome!! Calipers look good to me as well, but I'm running Baers..:lol:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Very impressive. :thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

Payton,Look's great.Can't wait to see it in person.:thumbsup: Scott M.

[Mean 69]

Those exhaust hangers look like exactly what I need for my project. Whose products are they?

Mark

[dropit69]

wow thats looking awesome Payton..!!!!

[intocarss]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[56pickup]

looks great payton!

[Payton King]

I am so close. Really looking forward to getting it out and see how it drives. I thought my car before was sprung too light, so I have this one set on kill. I know the spring rates will work great on the big track, but it may be too much for the street. 700 lbs in front and 550 lbs in rear. May need to drop the rear to 500 lbs.

Mark, Dan makes those in house. His contact is 704-450-0607 [email protected]

Not sure why I spend so much time making the bottom of my car so nice when it sits so low, the only time you see it when it is up in the air. With everything painted and coated, it does make it easy when I get around to wiping it down.

[Flash68]

I am so close. Really looking forward to getting it out and see how it drives. I thought my car before was sprung too light, so I have this one set on kill. I know the spring rates will work great on the big track, but it may be too much for the street. 700 lbs in front and 550 lbs in rear. May need to drop the rear to 500 lbs.

Mark, Dan makes those in house. His contact is 704-450-0607 [email protected]

Not sure why I spend so much time making the bottom of my car so nice when it sits so low, the only time you see it when it is up in the air. With everything painted and coated, it does make it easy when I get around to wiping it down.

Those are some tasty spring rates! :thumbsup:

[Stuart Adams]

Car is looking good big boy.

[Payton King]

that it has spent most of its life...on jack stands. Had a couple of ends put on the new fuel line I am working on and need to make a brake line.

Too busy today to load up pics. Get you guys lots of them tomorrow

[Ron in SoCal]

Congrats Payton! Please post your driving impressions too...:thumbsup:

[pro-touring.no]

:yes: looks greate:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Kjell

[Rick D]

Cool can't wait to here what you think of Jakes rear suspension set up. By the way car looks sweet, wow did Dan do a great job! :hail:

[BBC71Nova]

Is it tomorrow yet :D . Pics Pics Pics

Hmmm if your's is at home now then that means that mine probably has been moved back in the shop and out of the Nova annex :unibrow:

[Payton King]

as it leaves the shop.

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[Payton King]

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Dan being funny with the license plate

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[Payton King]

Money shot

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

As I still need to put seats, fuel, stereo and my big ass in the car. I am in the process of wrapping a few things up and it will be ready to drive. Hopefully this weekend or next.

Here is the hard line for my fuel system

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[syborg tt]

Car looks Awwesome.

[67ragtp]

Outstanding!! Payton the car looks killer!! Cant wait to hear your review on how it drives.

Awesome ride- Rich

[waynieZ]

Looking good Payton, it must feel great having it home.

[Jr]

Damn! One of the best looking yellow cars. Those rims really set the car off.

[Jay Hilliard]

Looks great Payton. Phat Cat sounds pretty good. Got alot of meat in the rear. :unibrow: :willy:

[Rybar]

Looks Killer Payton, love those underside shots. :thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

Payton,Very nice.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[dwilson]

looks fantastic, its like a shinny new toy! :rolleyes:

[Payton King]

Was not really thinking I was going to have to do as much work as it took. I am really ready to drive. Taking Thursday and Friday off to get this thing on the road. The problem I have is I just can't seem to put it back the way it was...always reworking or upgrading.

I will report back on the driving impressions. It has been since mid-October since I have driven the car, so this should be a real treat with the new rubber, rear suspension and new shocks on all 4 corners.

[56pickup]

spot on payton! :thumbsup:

[Payton King]

It was a thrash getting the car back on the road for RTTH 7. Seems like there is always something. When I took it out for its maiden voyage, I knew right away that something was not right. The shocks were not where close in controlling the springs...I was running 700 lbs front and 550 lbs rear. Good thing about living in Charlotte is there are a lot of race stuff around. Bilstein is here, so I pulled them off and ran them up to have them checked. One was completely out of gas, valving was too light for spring rates. They gave me a pair of safety glasses and I proceeded to get an education on shock design. Mike revalved all 4 shocks on the spot and ran them on the shock dyno, it was quite an afternoon.

Got them back on the car and went down on spring rate to 550 front and 325 rear. It was a night and day difference in the car. I am running them in the middle setting and my 69 rides better than my wife's M3. What a difference the correct shock makes.

I did make RTTH but had only put 5 miles on the car before it hit the parking lot for the autocross school that I had signed up for at the event. I was getting use to the car and was getting faster every run I made. It was a little tight and I had a small mechanical issue the first day. I had Danny Pop make a 2 laps for his feedback. 2nd lap in my car that he has never driven knocked 2 seconds off of my best run. The car is capable, the driver is not.

Fixed the small problem, raised the watts one hole to free the car up and aired the tires down to 28 psi hot for the next day. Again every run I got faster and ended up running 12th out of 86 cars and missed the top 10 by .4x. A little more time getting use to the car and would have like to try some shock settings, I think I could have gotten there.

All in all a completely different car with the torque arm, shocks and new/better tires. My hat is off to Dan and his wonderful fab work and a well thought out rear suspension design from Jake.

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[Payton King]

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[Rybar]

Looks awesome Payton, looks like it's on it's way to getting dialed in. :thumbsup:

[tmadden]

Man it looks super!! Looking at a yellow for mine. Your's is a great inspiration.

[Flash68]

That thing looks so good with those new wheels. Night and day. People always say wheels make or break the car, but sometimes you just have to see it to believe it. Well done. :thumbsup:

And did I read you originally had 550 lb rear springs? Wow that is insanely high is it not?

And you're absolutely right .... 98% of the cars on this site need tons more work on the driver, not the car!

[Payton King]

When Jake was racing his 69 he tried a number of different springs at the track. He likes the way 700 lbs front and 500 rear felt the best. Vinnie bought Jake's old car and he is going to Optima runnng 700/500 combo. That set up is really for the big track more than autocross, but it still works well at either. That yellow corvette going to Optima was running a 1200 front 900 rear at VIR this summer. 2 schools of thought, heavy springs lighter bar or vice versa. Ron, with the blue mustang, just got either a 650 or 900 lbs spring for the front of his. Can't remember the exact rate. You will still needs shocks that can contol that high of a rate.

When I go back to a road course, I will run the 700 up front and 450's in the rear because that is what I happen to have sitting in my garage and tune from there. The ride is actually not bad at all with the higher rates, I think you would be suprised of how it rides and the feedback you get.

The only problem I see with the higher rates is I am losing a little bit of rebound travel at ride height. I have heard that most run a short light spring (150lbs) in conjunction with the heavy spring to get ride height correct.

[GrabberGT]

When I go back to a road course, I will run the 700 up front and 450's in the rear because that is what I happen to have sitting in my garage and tune from there. The ride is actually not bad at all with the higher rates, I think you would be suprised of how it rides and the feedback you get.


Is that 350 per side in the front and 225 per side in the rear?

[Payton King]

When I write about rates, that is per coil over/wheel.

[Ron in SoCal]

Payton - :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[DFRESH]

Payton, just found this thread--can't believe I haven't seen it until now. Man, you went all out----congrads on the success thus far! Car is beautiful and I love those mods. That was quite a commitment to tear into it with such a nice paint job on it---props to you for that. Sounds like you are really happy with it and that is great to hear. I bet it feels great to have it running again and knowing that you've made the mods you wanted to make. New wheels look great on the car to bro. Amazing attention to detail on it in all respects. Hope to make one of the RTTH events out your way sometime to meet you and see the car in person.

D

[Payton King]

I actually drove it to work yesterday. Spent 20 minutes talking to people about it when I drove it to lunch.

Really did not plan to go as deep as I did, but once you start down that road it is a slipery slope. Goodguys is here this weekend, along with an open house at Dan's shop and one at DSE. Should have plenty of things to keep me busy.

Funny that you would say that you would like to come out to RTTH. I was thinking I would like to go to RTTC. Not sure if my body could take 3 days of driving in a 69 and I would need to wear ear plugs.

[bonecrrusher]

You going to the DSE event?

I'll be there Friday - not sure if I'll be in the Vette or G8.

[Payton King]

Will be there on friday

[PonchoJohn]

Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful! What a HOT ride!:thumbsup:

[Teetoe_Jones]

The HRE's make that car. Damn fine upgrades Payton.

Tyler

[Payton King]

I am pretty happy with the car and the wheels made a huge difference

[BBC71Nova]

Good meeting you Payton. Car looks great and sounds awesome. I was hoping you'd make it back to Dan's on Saturday so we could put that thing on the lift and everyone could crawl under it and check out that setup :rofl:

[Ricochet]

Mini tubs, new susp, HRE's etc....HUGE upgrade! Looks killer and nice to seeing you reap the benefits!:thumbsup:

[bonecrrusher]

Peyton - how did you do in the Autocross?

I saw your car and you at DSE - but got tied up chatting with people - by the time I got free - I noticed your car was gone, oh well - I'll catch up with you at the next event!

[Payton King]

had a friend in from out of town, youngest had 2 soccer games in Greensboro that my wife took him and my oldest was with me Saturday so I did not bring my car. I have a cage and no seat belts in the back...

After I got out there it was killing me not to run. almost went home and got my car. LOL

Let me know when they are running autocross at Zmax and I will come up.

[Flash68]

Payton, any decent offers on the car yet? :unibrow:

[Payton King]

They have not called so I am going to guess nothing serious. It have been there for a month with 2 more to go on my agreement. Not sure if I will extend if after 90 days it is not sold. I am having withdrawls not driving. If it sells there will be a new track car in my future. If is does not, the stereo is coming out along with the front and rear seats...think track car with a painted undercariage. LOL

Still waiting on your re-birth as well

[carbuff]

Payton,

Do you mind me asking where you have the car? I'm assuming from your comments that it's at a consignment shop, and I'm also assuming it's close to Charlotte? We are still trying to decide what to do with the 57 Chevrolet, and I have spoke to one of the places around Charlotte (AutoBarn I think it was). I don't recall them having a 90-day requirement though...

Thanx!

[Flash68]

They have not called so I am going to guess nothing serious. It have been there for a month with 2 more to go on my agreement. Not sure if I will extend if after 90 days it is not sold. I am having withdrawls not driving. If it sells there will be a new track car in my future. If is does not, the stereo is coming out along with the front and rear seats...think track car with a painted undercariage. LOL

Still waiting on your re-birth as well

Yeah in 2 more months you can take it out and enjoy it more... with a for sale sign on it. :D

Good luck... :thumbsup:

[Van B]

Is this it?

http://www.rkmotorscharlotte.com/sales/inventory/active#!/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro/132923

[Payton King]

RK Motors of Charlotte.

If it does not sell on this go around, it will not go back up on the blocks. May even make the trip out for RTTC next year and make Ron bring his mustang as well.

[Flash68]

RK Motors of Charlotte.

If it does not sell on this go around, it will not go back up on the blocks. May even make the trip out for RTTC next year and make Ron bring his mustang as well.

:thumbsup:

[Rybar]

RK Motors of Charlotte.

If it does not sell on this go around, it will not go back up on the blocks. May even make the trip out for RTTC next year and make Ron bring his mustang as well.

Keep it and beat on it. Can always be repainted down the road. :D

[Payton King]

With all that NOS sheet metal I put on the car and ending up in a wall somewhere...paint is least of my worries. LOL

[DFRESH]

They have not called so I am going to guess nothing serious. It have been there for a month with 2 more to go on my agreement. Not sure if I will extend if after 90 days it is not sold. I am having withdrawls not driving. If it sells there will be a new track car in my future. If is does not, the stereo is coming out along with the front and rear seats...think track car with a painted undercariage. LOL

Still waiting on your re-birth as well


That would be sweet! You guys have to do it at least once--would be great to get all you guys out here and vice versa. Will update you in a couple of weeks with some more info---need some additional input from you moving forward.

D

[Payton King]

car would be done by now...it has been a couple of months and all you needed to change was the engine,front & rear suspension. :lol: