Got a ticket for no front license plate tonight

[Fbodyboy]

I have been driving my 80 Z28 around for 4 years now in Missouri with no front license plate. I painted 4 years ago and put a new nose on and can't stand the thought of drilling holes in it. I have driven the car in 3 different states and got a ticket tonight from a small town cop. No cops in my home town have cared about it. Think I still should gotten a warning first.

[CRCRFT78]

I actually had a cop make a u-turn in the middle of an intersection full lights and sirens, follows me for 2 blocks only to pull me over and say, you didn't do anything wrong I'm just going to give you a ticket for no front plate. Then tells me to have a nice day. Dickhead. I guess doing actual police work is too much to ask for.

[Mkelcy]

Given the revenue squeeze most areas face today, I think we'll see even more nit-picking enforcement of vehicle laws. I figure I'm going to make it as hard as possible for a cop to give me a ticket. When my project '68's on the road, I'll be running the front plate, all side markers, all lights will work, the car won't be excessively loud, and so on.

If I get a ticket, it's going to be because I've been stupid and careless (got caught).

[SAR Skipper]

Given the revenue squeeze most areas face today, I think we'll see even more nit-picking enforcement of vehicle laws. I figure I'm going to make it as hard as possible for a cop to give me a ticket. When my project '68's on the road, I'll be running the front plate, all side markers, all lights will work, the car won't be excessively loud, and so on.

If I get a ticket, it's going to be because I've been stupid and careless (got caught).

Unfortunately, you're right.
Revenue generation is becoming the key these day's:(

Instead of figuring out how to spend less and live within a budget like the rest of us, government would rather find ways to nit-pick and fine us to death!

Our city just installed electronic card reading parking meters!
The ordinance says every vehicle must pay to park.

In days gone by, it was the space that was being rented, period!
If the car ahead of you finished their business early, you could make use of the extra time on the meter.
Many time, I'd be headed out, see someone pulling into the space behind me (with no time on the meter) and tell them to hang on and they can have this one!

No more:(
Now, if our parking whores catch you entering a space, even if there's time left on the meter, they can, and some will, ticket you because "you" didn't pay to park!:rolleyes:

I'm hoping we eventually get this rip off in front of a judge and set a precedent, but I'm not hoping for much around here:(

Fines, penalties, ticket costs, all rising to "make up" for the shortfall, instead of being fiscally conservative in their spending!:rolleyes:

As for the front plates, there are a couple of manufactures that make hidden plate holders for the Corvette. Slide away frames, and such.
I'll bet there's something out there for our cars as well.
If not, this might be an opportunity knocking:)

Turn the lemon, into lemonade:cheers:

[andrew5]

they do that alot in our surrounding towns here in conn. the police cars have cameras outside on the trunk and scan cars to see if they are registered.so that alone heightens the tickey.

[clill]

Isn't the no front plate citation just a fix it ticket with no fine ? Not much revenue generating there. Just a guy being a punk.

[camcojb]

Isn't the no front plate citation just a fix it ticket with no fine ? Not much revenue generating there. Just a guy being a punk.
fix it tickets have fines also now. Must have been a while since you had one........... ;)

In Elk Grove they do "drive by" fix it tickets, they don't even pull you over! They just observe something and mail you a ticket with a fine attached. Got one for a headlight out in the sweeper truck, never pulled my guy over just mailed me the ticket with the $25 fine and proof of repair. Another friend got one for no brake lights; he was sitting at a light in neutral, with his foot off the brake (stick shift car). Cop saw no lights and assumed they were out, mailed him a ticket. He went to court and got it tossed, but had to eat up a bunch of time and gas, etc.

They make the fine low enough that most don't protest, they just pay it to avoid the hassle.

[GregWeld]

On our way to SEMA in '09 - we had 4 guys in two BMW's - an M5 and an M6...

Yes we went on the most back roads we could find - and we hauled booty.... My buddy gets a ticket for 104.... and when we settle into our rooms in LV we had a little chat about this. I said he should call the county and ask about what he could do to reduce any points his license would be charged with etc. Said that I had gotten a ticket in California - and they allowed you to plead guilty and pay the full fine - but you could also take an on-line driving course and that would automatically reduce the points assigned. To me - it's not the fine - it's the insurance.

Long and short of the story - the county tells him if he's willing to pay the fine in full ($400+) they would reduce his ticket to "equipment failure". The gal told him straight out - that they really need the revenue, so agreeing to pay the full fine was what they were interested in.

[SAR Skipper]

On our way to SEMA in '09 - we had 4 guys in two BMW's - an M5 and an M6...

Yes we went on the most back roads we could find - and we hauled booty.... My buddy gets a ticket for 104.... and when we settle into our rooms in LV we had a little chat about this. I said he should call the county and ask about what he could do to reduce any points his license would be charged with etc. Said that I had gotten a ticket in California - and they allowed you to plead guilty and pay the full fine - but you could also take an on-line driving course and that would automatically reduce the points assigned. To me - it's not the fine - it's the insurance.

Long and short of the story - the county tells him if he's willing to pay the fine in full ($400+) they would reduce his ticket to "equipment failure". The gal told him straight out - that they really need the revenue, so agreeing to pay the full fine was what they were interested in.

Corruption at it's best:rolleyes:
Everything has it's price.:yes:

At least it works out in your friends favor this time:cheers:

[Steve67RS/SS]

I got a fix it ticket for no front plate on my work truck, parked at a jobsite, inside working, and came out to find it. Pure and simple revenue for the city.

If I remember correctly it was $105.....Oh and let me correct that, I did not even have to show proof I corrected the problem. So I guess it was not actual fix it ticket. Just had to pay the fine.........then they made sure to drive by the same jobsite everyday for some more revenue for the City. Just a little bitter.

[garickman]

Wow! I was just reading over this thread and I just realized how different I am than most other people. I see everyone on this thread complaining how the government is screwing them over and how all the cops who gave them these tickets are just being jerks to generate revenue. The one thing I don't see is anyone taking responsability for their own actions. I will agree that some of these tickets are BS but it still doesn't change the fact that each person was in violation of some type of law. Is it just me or does it seem like so many americans just refuse to accept some type of responsability for their own actions. You can turn on the news any day of the week and see city, state and federal workers getting laid off everyday. Maybe the extra revenue these so called BS tickets are generating is enough money to save just one persons job. Americans have always been quick to step up and help out those in need from disasters and devistation, those who have lost everything in an earthquake, tornado or flood. Well the american economy is a disaster, but no one is stepping up to help out hundreds of thousands of people who have lost everything like thier jobs, their homes, their families, and thier dignity. You just didn't see this many people complain when they were living past their means by using thier homes as a personal bank, and racking up credit debt they couldn't afford. At some point is life everyone must face the moment of thruth in thier lies. That is what we as americans are going through right now. We can either step up and help our fellow man and make this country great again, or we can complain about a $20 fine for something we actually did wrong. Anyways sorry for the rant and sorry if I have offended anyone, that was certainly not my intention.

[CRCRFT78]

I'll gladly take responsibility for my actions when I'm in the wrong but everyone knows there is a double standard when it comes to the average joe and law enforcement or the rich and the poor. Look how many actors/actresses get jail time only to be let out in a matter of hours (Lindsay Lohan). I'll be hard pressed to believe there isn't some back door deal being made or a "contribution" left on the desk. And as much as those in the wrong should accept responsibility the same can be said for law enforcement. And as far as America always jumping in to help other people, they need to keep their noses out of everyones business and start correcting the problems right here in America. This governement does more to spend then they do to solve the debt problem. Heres an example, I work for CalTrans (CA Dept. of Transportation) doing fence & guardrail repair. The state pays me $18 an hour to remove & repair guardrail with an average of 8-12 rails per 8hr shift including removal & repair of the posts. Each rail is 12.5 feet and every post is 6 x 8. Now the state also pays a private contractor to come in and do the same jobs we have. They get paid for every rail and post they repair. The state gladly pays a private contractor $1000 per rail and $100 per post. On top of that the state gladly supplies the contractor with all the rails & posts at NO COST to them. If the state paid its workers at the same rate as the contractor, I could do a days work and have the rest of the month off. Talk about a waste of government funds. Is that fair?

garickman this is not an angry rant towards you or anyone else. Just my opinion on some of the topics you brought up. Responsibilty is not only lacking in alot of individuals, its also lacking in the leaders that run this world.

[Steve67RS/SS]

I'll gladly take responsibility for my actions when I'm in the wrong but everyone knows there is a double standard when it comes to the average joe and law enforcement or the rich and the poor. Look how many actors/actresses get jail time only to be let out in a matter of hours (Lindsay Lohan). I'll be hard pressed to believe there isn't some back door deal being made or a "contribution" left on the desk. And as much as those in the wrong should accept responsibility the same can be said for law enforcement. And as far as America always jumping in to help other people, they need to keep their noses out of everyones business and start correcting the problems right here in America. This governement does more to spend then they do to solve the debt problem. Heres an example, I work for CalTrans (CA Dept. of Transportation) doing fence & guardrail repair. The state pays me $18 an hour to remove & repair guardrail with an average of 8-12 rails per 8hr shift including removal & repair of the posts. Each rail is 12.5 feet and every post is 6 x 8. Now the state also pays a private contractor to come in and do the same jobs we have. They get paid for every rail and post they repair. The state gladly pays a private contractor $1000 per rail and $100 per post. On top of that the state gladly supplies the contractor with all the rails & posts at NO COST to them. If the state paid its workers at the same rate as the contractor, I could do a days work and have the rest of the month off. Talk about a waste of government funds. Is that fair?

garickman this is not an angry rant towards you or anyone else. Just my opinion on some of the topics you brought up. Responsibilty is not only lacking in alot of individuals, its also lacking in the leaders that run this world.


This was sort of meant to be my point, you are spot on. This thread could go in three/four? different areas. Yep, should have a plate on the front. I get that. But it may have been about three other things we had to deal with to get this job done...Maybe just a rant on my part, but the city is S.F.

Sorry no hijack intended........I'll zip it now.

[garickman]

I'll gladly take responsibility for my actions when I'm in the wrong but everyone knows there is a double standard when it comes to the average joe and law enforcement or the rich and the poor. Look how many actors/actresses get jail time only to be let out in a matter of hours (Lindsay Lohan). I'll be hard pressed to believe there isn't some back door deal being made or a "contribution" left on the desk. And as much as those in the wrong should accept responsibility the same can be said for law enforcement. And as far as America always jumping in to help other people, they need to keep their noses out of everyones business and start correcting the problems right here in America. This governement does more to spend then they do to solve the debt problem. Heres an example, I work for CalTrans (CA Dept. of Transportation) doing fence & guardrail repair. The state pays me $18 an hour to remove & repair guardrail with an average of 8-12 rails per 8hr shift including removal & repair of the posts. Each rail is 12.5 feet and every post is 6 x 8. Now the state also pays a private contractor to come in and do the same jobs we have. They get paid for every rail and post they repair. The state gladly pays a private contractor $1000 per rail and $100 per post. On top of that the state gladly supplies the contractor with all the rails & posts at NO COST to them. If the state paid its workers at the same rate as the contractor, I could do a days work and have the rest of the month off. Talk about a waste of government funds. Is that fair?

garickman this is not an angry rant towards you or anyone else. Just my opinion on some of the topics you brought up. Responsibilty is not only lacking in alot of individuals, its also lacking in the leaders that run this world.

I actually agree with everything you have said. I did not take it as angry rant towards myself and I completly respect your opinion. I believe there is plenty of blame to go around I am not defending the government or law enforcement. I was just pointing out we, myself included, must start to take responsability for our own actions regardless of the apparent double standars and back door deals. Even being a retired law enforcement officer, I will agree with most posters in this thread and say those types of tickets are pretty much a load of crap. My point was just the law is the law, and if we break it we should accept the responsability for it.

[CRCRFT78]

Lol my ticket was in SF also.

[camcojb]

Wow! I was just reading over this thread and I just realized how different I am than most other people. I see everyone on this thread complaining how the government is screwing them over and how all the cops who gave them these tickets are just being jerks to generate revenue. The one thing I don't see is anyone taking responsability for their own actions. I will agree that some of these tickets are BS but it still doesn't change the fact that each person was in violation of some type of law. Is it just me or does it seem like so many americans just refuse to accept some type of responsability for their own actions. You can turn on the news any day of the week and see city, state and federal workers getting laid off everyday. Maybe the extra revenue these so called BS tickets are generating is enough money to save just one persons job. Americans have always been quick to step up and help out those in need from disasters and devistation, those who have lost everything in an earthquake, tornado or flood. Well the american economy is a disaster, but no one is stepping up to help out hundreds of thousands of people who have lost everything like thier jobs, their homes, their families, and thier dignity. You just didn't see this many people complain when they were living past their means by using thier homes as a personal bank, and racking up credit debt they couldn't afford. At some point is life everyone must face the moment of thruth in thier lies. That is what we as americans are going through right now. We can either step up and help our fellow man and make this country great again, or we can complain about a $20 fine for something we actually did wrong. Anyways sorry for the rant and sorry if I have offended anyone, that was certainly not my intention.
I agree on the personal responsibility point. My problem is I got a phantom drive by ticket for a headlight out; of course it wasn't but I wasn't going to go to court for $25. I think they should have to pull you over and show you the violation, not simply send them through the mail. My buddy took the time to go to court on his rear taillight ticket where he was sitting in neutral at the light, and won; but he doesn't have anything better to do during the day......................... :lol:

[SAR Skipper]

I too respect your opinion and your right to it.
With that, here are some other thoughts on the matter from someone whose BTDT:

Wow! I was just reading over this thread and I just realized how different I am than most other people. I see everyone on this thread complaining how the government is screwing them over and how all the cops who gave them these tickets are just being jerks to generate revenue. The one thing I don't see is anyone taking responsability for their own actions.

Might want to take a closer look at the underlying issues.

...I will agree that some of these tickets are BS but it still doesn't change the fact that each person was in violation of some type of law. Is it just me or does it seem like so many americans just refuse to accept some type of responsability for their own actions.

No, that's a big problem with our society. Unfortunately it seems to begin with our government officials.

You can turn on the news any day of the week and see city, state and federal workers getting laid off everyday. Maybe the extra revenue these so called BS tickets are generating is enough money to save just one persons job.

It seems as though you are suggesting the end somehow justifies the means?

And as for the layoffs, they're not nearly as widespread as the private sector, and in many cases, these folks fall into other private sector, or government positions.

Frankly, I'm tired of government workers from all levels, thinking that they somehow have an expectation of job security:rolleyes:

Citizens all over our great country are being laid off.
People are losing jobs,l industry is shutting down or paring back, and jobs are being "outsourced" to 3rd world (cheap labor) countries on a regular basis.

Many of these job "losses" shouldn't have been "jobs" in the first place.

So, do we sit back and allow our local, state and federal agencies, to jack up fees simply to make up for their inadequacies and inabilities?
One must also realize that many of these fines and fees, require nothing more than local approval to increase and there's limited oversight.

We've had these campaigns in the past. I've been involved in them:(
It's nothing anyone will admit to, nothing you can "prove" and there's no documentation, but they do exist. BTDT.

Americans have always been quick to step up and help out those in need from disasters and devastation, those who have lost everything in an earthquake, tornado or flood. Well the american economy is a disaster, but no one is stepping up to help out hundreds of thousands of people who have lost everything like thier jobs, their homes, their families, and thier dignity. You just didn't see this many people complain when they were living past their means by using thier homes as a personal bank, and racking up credit debt they couldn't afford. At some point is life everyone must face the moment of thruth in thier lies. That is what we as americans are going through right now. We can either step up and help our fellow man and make this country great again, or we can complain about a $20 fine for something we actually did wrong. Anyways sorry for the rant and sorry if I have offended anyone, that was certainly not my intention.

While your comments and points are well taken, and in some aspects, right on the money (no pun intended), you also make my point better than I ever could.:thumbsup:

GOVERNMENT has to step up to the plate first!
Our leaders need to learn to live within a budget, learn how to save and cut where possible, and quit living outside their means simply because they can!

Sure, we've always been a country that steps up to help when disaster strikes.
We're a country of volunteers :thumbsup:
I still volunteer my time with a SAR team.

Then again, these disasters are generally not MAN MADE.
The budget is a man made problem, with a man made solution.

I disagree that no one is stepping up to help those out of work.
I see fundraisers all the time for this group or that, who provide assistance for those in need.

But I'm NOT going to sit back, and allow our, no MY, government, to randomly jack up fees, add "value" to things previously considered a public service (ie: taxpayer funded).

You're correct about people living beyond their means and using the equity in their homes as a personal slush fund.:yes:

But remember too, who the "enablers" were.

It was our own government who "enabled" those set on doing so, by allowing prices on homes to be artificially inflated to ridiculous levels!

Why?
To gain more $$$$ in property taxes to begin with.

Add to that, the banking and finance industries, and the lack of competent oversight, and you have the recipe for the disaster we have today:(

Now that those artificially inflated values have gone away, now that many jurisdictions have required their government heads to cut back, you're starting to see and hear the whining and crying from those same people who got used to living on YOUR MONEY.

It's not about the silly chit like $20.00 fines for front plates, or even the ludicrous act of citing a parked work truck for the missing plates, etc.
Our parking enforcement peeps do that sort of crap all the time.

It's more about WHY this is happening, and the associated costs with many of the other violations.

It's about clerks who are willing to whore out the system by reducing (can you say perjuring) the ticket to some non-committed violation, as long as you send them the $400.00:rolleyes:

When we as citizens allow that kind of crap to happen, we do everyone a disservice.

If you violate the laws that are in place in your jurisdiction, so be it.
Pay the damned ticket and move on!

I just got a parking ticket the other day.
I had 2 business signs on my car, one on either side as required by local ordinance.

Apparently, the one on the passenger side had fallen off somewhere along the way.

Since we don't have to go to the curb side when parking in a loading zone (with proper signage) there was no way I'd have known it was gone.

I return about 20 minutes later, and have a parking ticket for $30.00 for not having 2 signs.:rolleyes:

You can see where the other sign had been. You can see the sign on the driver's side of the f**king car.
One would think that common sense would dictate, right?
Not in today's world.:rolleyes:

Technically, they're right, and I'm going to pay the ticket (I'll write it off as a parkinhg fee:rofl: ), but why?
In years past, that would never have occurred.

It's a sign of the times.
A government not able or willing to cut back on the FAT; and instead, determined to have their way by increasing fees/fines and becoming anal retentive on the statutes and ordinances.

So no, I'll not simply sit back and "do my part" to help pay for a corrupt and incompetent government!!

As for government employees losing jobs, I'm sorry to see it happen.
I hate to see anyone lose a job or a business.
Then again, many of these "jobs" should never have existed in the first place.

I've been in government service almost my entire life, and continue to serve as a G-contractor.
And, I've been a victim of the budget.

I planned a career with the military reserves.
After activation in 1990-91, and 12 years of honorable service, I (and about 30 others in my unit) was RIF'd as part of the governments budget cuts at that time.

Did I piss and moan about it?
Nope!
Not happy about it, and it certainly f**ked up some plans :willy: , but it is what it is, and you focus FORWARD, adapt and move on :thumbsup:

I now run a business (several actually).
I treat my clients money as I would my own, maybe even better:unibrow:
I try to save them $$ where I can, and keep their overall costs reasonable.

So as soon as our government starts doing the same, I'll get on board.

At that time, if we need to raise fees on user based services (we've already done that here and it keeps going up and up!), I'll be fine with that.

In the meantime, if you have to have layoffs, do so through attrition!
In many of the cases where government threatens, lets say, a reduction in law enforcement, much of that comes through attrition or "shuffling" anyway. It's just not mentioned.

So until government stops using layoffs, threats of slowdowns and reductions in critical services, as tools to prod the cattle into getting onto their truck, and begin to treat our government as a BUSINESS, spending OUR money, not theirs, they way it should be spent, saving when and where they can, then I'll have more sympathy.
Until that time, you can find sympathy in the dictionary between s**t and Syphilis :lol:

Sorry for the rant as well, but it's a subject that is close to home.
:cheers:

[XcYZ]

Fortunately in MN, if you have collector plates, you aren't required to run a front plate. I knew there had to be at least one positive to living up here. lol

[Fbodyboy]

I think it is a little excessive that I have to go to court over this. I fixed the problem as soon as I got home last night. Thought I should of gotten a warning first. The officer didn't even know what a historic plate looked like he thought I was running truck plates on my car.

[buickfunnycar.com]

I see it only getting worse from here on out (ie: smogging,further restrictions against our-type cars,etc)...another reason why I just want to sell my stuff and get out before the you know what hits the fan...:_paranoid

[GregWeld]

I see it only getting worse from here on out (ie: smogging,further restrictions against our-type cars,etc)...another reason why I just want to sell my stuff and get out before the you know what hits the fan...:_paranoid

Wow! Very optimistic.... :willy: :willy: :willy: :rofl:

[tones2SS]

I have been lucky here in MA. We are required to have a front license plate on our vehicles, but I refuse to drive around with one. I did get pulled over once, but not for not having a plate. I passed a guy that was driving as slow as a snail and I couldn't take it any more. As I pass, a police officer comes driving towards me from the opposite direction. (Oh great!! :_paranoid :unibrow:) I wasn't wearing my seat belt neither and the police officer said nothing about the missing front plate. I lucked out, I would have 3 violations.:(

[Flash68]

I got 2 or 3 of these tickets in 08-09 in my Porsche... no way I was putting on that front plate with that front end shape. The no front plate pull-over is just a way for them to check and see if there are any REAL violations going on in my mind.

Just befriend a cop and get the fix it tickets handled easily. :thumbsup:

[elitecustombody]

I too respect your opinion and your right to it.
With that, here are some other thoughts on the matter from someone whose BTDT:



Might want to take a closer look at the underlying issues.



No, that's a big problem with our society. Unfortunately it seems to begin with our government officials.



It seems as though you are suggesting the end somehow justifies the means?

And as for the layoffs, they're not nearly as widespread as the private sector, and in many cases, these folks fall into other private sector, or government positions.

Frankly, I'm tired of government workers from all levels, thinking that they somehow have an expectation of job security:rolleyes:

Citizens all over our great country are being laid off.
People are losing jobs,l industry is shutting down or paring back, and jobs are being "outsourced" to 3rd world (cheap labor) countries on a regular basis.

Many of these job "losses" shouldn't have been "jobs" in the first place.

So, do we sit back and allow our local, state and federal agencies, to jack up fees simply to make up for their inadequacies and inabilities?
One must also realize that many of these fines and fees, require nothing more than local approval to increase and there's limited oversight.

We've had these campaigns in the past. I've been involved in them:(
It's nothing anyone will admit to, nothing you can "prove" and there's no documentation, but they do exist. BTDT.



While your comments and points are well taken, and in some aspects, right on the money (no pun intended), you also make my point better than I ever could.:thumbsup:

GOVERNMENT has to step up to the plate first!
Our leaders need to learn to live within a budget, learn how to save and cut where possible, and quit living outside their means simply because they can!

Sure, we've always been a country that steps up to help when disaster strikes.
We're a country of volunteers :thumbsup:
I still volunteer my time with a SAR team.

Then again, these disasters are generally not MAN MADE.
The budget is a man made problem, with a man made solution.

I disagree that no one is stepping up to help those out of work.
I see fundraisers all the time for this group or that, who provide assistance for those in need.

But I'm NOT going to sit back, and allow our, no MY, government, to randomly jack up fees, add "value" to things previously considered a public service (ie: taxpayer funded).

You're correct about people living beyond their means and using the equity in their homes as a personal slush fund.:yes:

But remember too, who the "enablers" were.

It was our own government who "enabled" those set on doing so, by allowing prices on homes to be artificially inflated to ridiculous levels!

Why?
To gain more $$$$ in property taxes to begin with.

Add to that, the banking and finance industries, and the lack of competent oversight, and you have the recipe for the disaster we have today:(

Now that those artificially inflated values have gone away, now that many jurisdictions have required their government heads to cut back, you're starting to see and hear the whining and crying from those same people who got used to living on YOUR MONEY.

It's not about the silly chit like $20.00 fines for front plates, or even the ludicrous act of citing a parked work truck for the missing plates, etc.
Our parking enforcement peeps do that sort of crap all the time.

It's more about WHY this is happening, and the associated costs with many of the other violations.

It's about clerks who are willing to whore out the system by reducing (can you say perjuring) the ticket to some non-committed violation, as long as you send them the $400.00:rolleyes:

When we as citizens allow that kind of crap to happen, we do everyone a disservice.

If you violate the laws that are in place in your jurisdiction, so be it.
Pay the damned ticket and move on!

I just got a parking ticket the other day.
I had 2 business signs on my car, one on either side as required by local ordinance.

Apparently, the one on the passenger side had fallen off somewhere along the way.

Since we don't have to go to the curb side when parking in a loading zone (with proper signage) there was no way I'd have known it was gone.

I return about 20 minutes later, and have a parking ticket for $30.00 for not having 2 signs.:rolleyes:

You can see where the other sign had been. You can see the sign on the driver's side of the f**king car.
One would think that common sense would dictate, right?
Not in today's world.:rolleyes:

Technically, they're right, and I'm going to pay the ticket (I'll write it off as a parkinhg fee:rofl: ), but why?
In years past, that would never have occurred.

It's a sign of the times.
A government not able or willing to cut back on the FAT; and instead, determined to have their way by increasing fees/fines and becoming anal retentive on the statutes and ordinances.

So no, I'll not simply sit back and "do my part" to help pay for a corrupt and incompetent government!!

As for government employees losing jobs, I'm sorry to see it happen.
I hate to see anyone lose a job or a business.
Then again, many of these "jobs" should never have existed in the first place.

I've been in government service almost my entire life, and continue to serve as a G-contractor.
And, I've been a victim of the budget.

I planned a career with the military reserves.
After activation in 1990-91, and 12 years of honorable service, I (and about 30 others in my unit) was RIF'd as part of the governments budget cuts at that time.

Did I piss and moan about it?
Nope!
Not happy about it, and it certainly f**ked up some plans :willy: , but it is what it is, and you focus FORWARD, adapt and move on :thumbsup:

I now run a business (several actually).
I treat my clients money as I would my own, maybe even better:unibrow:
I try to save them $$ where I can, and keep their overall costs reasonable.

So as soon as our government starts doing the same, I'll get on board.

At that time, if we need to raise fees on user based services (we've already done that here and it keeps going up and up!), I'll be fine with that.

In the meantime, if you have to have layoffs, do so through attrition!
In many of the cases where government threatens, lets say, a reduction in law enforcement, much of that comes through attrition or "shuffling" anyway. It's just not mentioned.

So until government stops using layoffs, threats of slowdowns and reductions in critical services, as tools to prod the cattle into getting onto their truck, and begin to treat our government as a BUSINESS, spending OUR money, not theirs, they way it should be spent, saving when and where they can, then I'll have more sympathy.
Until that time, you can find sympathy in the dictionary between s**t and Syphilis :lol:

Sorry for the rant as well, but it's a subject that is close to home.
:cheers:

Amen!

[GregWeld]

Fortunately in MN, if you have collector plates, you aren't required to run a front plate. I knew there had to be at least one positive to living up here. lol

Sorry Scott -- Still not reason enough! :rofl:

[Vegas69]

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