68' Camaro Stock to STACKED build

[scottysimp7]

Im new to lateral-g, my name is Scott and Im from Santa Cruz,Ca. I was lucky enough to get my hands on a very clean and stock 68Camaro 4-spd.

One thing led to another, and now Rich Bermea(roadtouring customs) Gilroy, Ca is doing a full DSE build for me. Front to rear. Using 14in baer 6s all around, and mini tubs. Motor is a 421 small block from skip white performance (590+ hp).

I need help on wheel fitment. I am considering doing a staggared set up on my car. 18in front 19in rear. 275front and 325 rear.

Any thoughts or guidence?

Thx in advance
Scott

[Rybar]

Welcome, sounds and looks like a real nice project.

For a staggered 18/19 setup, I really like the setup on this car from HPI Customs (member 64pontiac)

Rear wheels are 19x12 with 7 inches of lip (rushforth rated x) 335/30/19 Tire and fronts are 18x9 (Tire size not sure)

http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb407/HPIcustoms/HPI%20Project%20RS-V%20Camaro/IMG_3452.jpg

[Flash68]

Good to see you post Scotty! :woot:

Guys, this is a sweet virgin car with really nice paint. It's got a great parts list going in too. Scott likes to track too so this will be fun when completed to have another local track partner.

:thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

Welcome.
Very cool project. Car does look clean.:thumbsup:

[scottysimp7]

With a 19in rear im not sure if i can fit a 335 cleanly with out rubbing issues in a 68'.

Has anyone delt with a 19in rear in a 68' camaro? Dse tubs, narrowed rear, etc.....

325 sounds like it might be the ideal size for a couple of reasons. less rolling resistance vs. 335, weight, and is run on Z06.

Does a staggerd wheel set benefit the suspension geomtry or hurt in a 68'?

[Flash68]

Scott, I know we talked about this car already, and after seeing it at RTTC, it is killer and looks great on its 19s, if that's how big you wanna go.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/1-1.jpg

[CrossRamRich]

I gotta lose wieght!!! To many damn super tacos!:D

[WicKeD_SS]

Scott, I know we talked about this car already, and after seeing it at RTTC, it is killer and looks great on its 19s, if that's how big you wanna go.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/1-1.jpg

Is there any more pics of this car? Would like to see more.

[Flash68]

^^ I do not know. I pulled that one off the RTTC pics thread on PT forum.

It's a beautiful car.

[WicKeD_SS]

^^ I do not know. I pulled that one off the RTTC pics thread on PT forum.

It's a beautiful car.

Agree, Its close to the blue im looking at.... Thanks!

[tones2SS]

Scott, I know we talked about this car already, and after seeing it at RTTC, it is killer and looks great on its 19s, if that's how big you wanna go.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/1-1.jpg

That is a great looking car indeed Dave. Wow. Love the color and those wheels.:thumbsup:

[awr68]

^^ I do not know. I pulled that one off the RTTC pics thread on PT forum.

It's a beautiful car.

Who's car is this? I've never seen it before....it looks great!

[CrossRamRich]

Who's car is this? I've never seen it before....it looks great!

Rob Chandler from Marquez Design. It is "GORGEOUS"!!!!! What a beautiful car, great fittment. Very nice guy, he does great work.:yes:

[lhkustoms]

Scott, lad to see you over here. I hear the minitubs and quadralink are just about ready to be welded in. Now if only we can teach rich how to post pics. :D

[Flash68]

Now if only we can teach rich how to post pics. :D

I'm workin on that part actually with Rich :thumbsup:

[scottysimp7]

Amen brothers!

[scottysimp7]

Mini tubs started, front clip and arms powder coated. Forward progress is good progress!

[Flash68]

Yeah Scotty! Lookin good man. :thumbsup:

You guys gonna cut or roll the fenders?

[scottysimp7]

Im gonna run a 315 rear so we will have a little more flex. I think we are cutting. Maybe a mild cut combined with a fender roll.

[tones2SS]

Very cool Scotty. :thumbsup:

[scottysimp7]

The motor is here!!! She is just beggin to be run hard.

421 stroker
bowtie block
scat rotating assem.
dart heads
edelbrock intake
canton road race pan 8qt
tuned 950 quickfuel carb.


This beast made 561tq @ 5200rpm and 591hp @ 6100! BRING IT!!!!!

[Flash68]

Scott, that looks bad ass man. Bet you can't wait to hear it fire up! :woot:

[DETON8R]

Scott, looks like your project is coming along pretty good. It is good to hear about more pro touring car builds here in Santa Cruz County. We have some of the best mountin roads around for a PT car, even though they are pretty messed up at the moment. That bad small block shoud disturb the peace up here in the mountains pretty good. Looks like you will have your car on the road long before I get my 69 on the road with the progress you are making!!

[scottysimp7]

I agree. We do have some great twisties.

[Mrfixit]

I need help on wheel fitment. I am considering doing a staggared set up on my car. 18in front 19in rear. 275front and 325 rear.

Any thoughts or guidence?

Scott

I just got my new Billet Spec 18" wheels mounted on my project car. The rears are 18x10 6.5" BS w/ 295/35/18 and the fronts are 18x7 4.5" BS w/ 225/45/18.

Rear: fit is great. No issues with clearance and with a 1" gap between the top of the tire and radius the fender it leaves a full 3" of clearance from the top of the tire to the first contact of the wheel well. The bulge of the tire is measures 2.25" to the outside edge of the fender lip (used to gauge the looks, not clearance). This may not be of much use to you because, while I'm using the DSE Quadra Link and mini tubs, I'm using a 9" from a 68 Bronco so the track width is a little different.

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x417/mrfixit58/Project%20Over%20Budget/IMG00173.jpg


Front: Fit is OK. If I had it to do over I'd go with a 4.75 or even a 4.875". I can't give any final measurements until the car is finished and aligned but for reference, the tire bulge is 1.5" from the outside of the fender lip. I'm using the stock subframe with the Gouldstrad conversion and off-brand (read cheap) tubular upper and lower control arms. I'm planning on changing to the 1/2" taller upper ball joints with the hope that the better camber curve help keep the tires from rubbing. Additionally, I've installed the 13" rotors and PBR 'Vette calipers. The tire vale is only 1/2" away from the caliper. The only way to make a 14" rotor and the PBR caliper clear an 18" Billet Spec Dagger wheel would be to move the tire stem location either to the outer lip or to the inner lip.

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x417/mrfixit58/Project%20Over%20Budget/IMG00183.jpg

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x417/mrfixit58/Project%20Over%20Budget/IMG00182.jpg


I hope this helps a little.

[scottysimp7]

Still making progress!

[tones2SS]

Very nice Scotty.:thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Was just down there last Friday.... sh!t is lookin good Scotty! :thumbsup:

[awr68]

Progress is a great thing! Did you decide on wheels/tires yet?

[scottysimp7]

I just ordered tires and wheels. Jon at DriverzInc set me up with Forgeline GA3R's silver w/polished lip. Running on Falken Azenis615's. Cant wait!

[Flash68]

I just ordered tires and wheels. Jon at DriverzInc set me up with Forgeline GA3R's silver w/polished lip. Running on Falken Azenis615's. Cant wait!

Nice nice choice! That will be sweet. I am jealous. What sizes did you end up getting to work with the Falken sizes? Can I guess 315/18 in the rears?

[Bryce]

I just ordered tires and wheels. Jon at DriverzInc set me up with Forgeline GA3R's silver w/polished lip. Running on Falken Azenis615's. Cant wait!

nice choice!

[scottysimp7]

9's in the front, and 11's in the rear. With the DSE clip we can get away with running a 265 in the front and a 315 rear.

[awr68]

Those will look awesome! Post pics ASAP!

[Flash68]

I know there's been some progress on this car... we need some update pics :D

[scottysimp7]

Yeah, your right flash. The job has got me on lock down! Workin to the bone. Gotta get over there soon.

[Flash68]

I'll be taking mine down there in the next week to get some track day prep done before May 15. Looking forward to seeing your progress!

[scottysimp7]

More progress! Yippie! Got the front clip assembled w/ baer front brakes. Loving it! Just waiting on the DSE rear end and wheels. Could it take any longer!:D

[Flash68]

Good seein ya Scotty.. car looked great today. Gonna be a beast!:rockin:

[scottysimp7]

Road Touring Customs- Gilroy, Ca!!!!! Well done Richie! Car is making more progress. Got the wheels and tires today (Thank you Jon@ DriverzInc). One step closer. Cant wait:thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Wow, look what a sick set of wheels does to a car! Bitchin. :thumbsup:

On the home stretch now Scotty! :woot:

[72Z/28]

I just ordered tires and wheels. Jon at DriverzInc set me up with Forgeline GA3R's silver w/polished lip. Running on Falken Azenis615's. Cant wait!
This is an awesome built. Really like the wheels and the stance. What backspacing did you end up with for the front and rear. I plan on putting 18x8 front and 18x11.5 for the rear. I really like how the fronts are tucked in. My car has speedtech subframe,complete kit.

[scottysimp7]

Thanks for the kind words boys. 72 Z/28 I ordered the wheels from Jon at DriverzInc. He knows his spacing! I will check with him and get the backspacing for you. :lateral:

[FarrOut]

Scott, I know we talked about this car already, and after seeing it at RTTC, it is killer and looks great on its 19s, if that's how big you wanna go.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/1-1.jpg

what is this color blue from? its beautiful

[rchandler]

Scotty,
The blue 68 is my car. Sorry if this is too late, I dont get on the fourms much. The wheels are 19X9 with 6.2" back space on the front (on a DSE sub frame) and 19x11 on the rear with 5.7" back Space. The rears could be a inch wider = 6.7" back space and fit with the DSE tubs.

Rob

[scottysimp7]

DSE Roll Bar installed!! Seats arrived!! Mock intsall. On the home stretch baby1:thumbsup:

[ArisESQ]

loving this build!!!

[Flash68]

Car looks sweet Scotty. That fixed back seat felt good when I sat in it yesterday. :thumbsup:

Getting closer buddy...

[DIGI-TAILS]

Nice built!!! your getting there Scotty.... GJ!!!! :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

That car is looking great! Love the wheel/car color combo.:thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Wow, that is one fine '68. :thumbsup:

[scottysimp7]

More progress. Got the radiatior installed (thx ron davis, very nice piece), mufflers, and xpipe are here. Firewall cleaned up. Really just engine, and tranny install is all that is left. Cant wait!!!!:unibrow:

[WicKeD_SS]

Very nice! like the last pic from above! :thumbsup:

[scottysimp7]

Thanks for the kind words boyz. Up stairs is where the beer was so hence the above photo! Beer inspiration :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

Won't be long now Scotty....:thumbsup: Keep Rich away from the beer! :lol:

[scottysimp7]

Won't be long now Scotty....:thumbsup: Keep Rich away from the beer! :lol:

Thx. The beer for Richie is like liquid Van Gogh. If I take it away he might chop off his ear! :D Im ready to beat on this beast. Not much longer!

[scottysimp7]

No updates, but hit up the Santa Cruz, Ca boardwalk today for Hot Rods at the Beach. Nice turn-out. No pro-touring cars though. Need to get mine done so I can represent! Here are a few pics.

[game-over]

i want your stock wheels

[scottysimp7]

i want your stock wheels

If your local (california) then we could figure something out. Not willing to ship, sorry.

[game-over]

Well. Let me know if you change your mind.

[scottysimp7]

Engine and tranny dropped! Brake lines all done, and wiring is all dialed in. Drive shaft finished tomorrow, and we should hear her this weekend! On the home stretch. :unibrow:

[Flash68]

Yeah baby! :woot:

You better get some video on startup! :thumbsup:

Can wait to see you driving this thing... I'll see ya in a couple weeks.:cheers:

[Ron in SoCal]

Looking good Scotty! :thumbsup:

[Spiffav8]

Very, Very Cool!!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[randy]

so what were the exact rim and tire sizes that you went with?

[67XR7]

Scott, I know we talked about this car already, and after seeing it at RTTC, it is killer and looks great on its 19s, if that's how big you wanna go.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/1-1.jpg

What is the board members name on PT that owns this? I seen it out at goodguys and remember them saying it was from Roseville. wanted to ask him a few questions.

[Flash68]

Not sure of his username but his name is Rob Chandler. I met him and his wife at the Goodguys show recently. It's a beautiful car.

[scottysimp7]

Should have motor start up video in the next couple days! Cant wait :willy:

[Flash68]

so what were the exact rim and tire sizes that you went with?

9's in the front, and 11's in the rear. With the DSE clip we can get away with running a 265 in the front and a 315 rear.

:thumbsup:

Should have motor start up video in the next couple days! Cant wait :willy:

Yeah buddy! I know you must be chompin at the bit! :cheers:

[randy]

Im just trying to decide the perfect rim/tire setup for my 67. I was wondering if i can still tuck the tires running 18x9 and 18x12 with a 255/40/18 and 335/30/18

[JustinB]

Love it! Great job. Good to see kick ass build without a LS motor........:cheers: :woot: .

[scottysimp7]

The maiden voyage! This is the first time we have heard her. Richie B, 421ci, and bud light. A good night. :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

Congrats Scotty! Now post some video....:yes:

[scottysimp7]

Hope this works. Heres a link of a quick first start up. Notice Richie B and his beer holder. Classic. http://youtu.be/d9SH-Rlchfc

[Richio1]

:woot: :woot: :woot:

Congrats!!!!!

[Ron in SoCal]

Sounds bad a** Scotty...:thumbsup: how's your ears after that little romp? :lol:

[CornHusker4Life]

Motor sounds SICK!:cheers:

[Flash68]

Congrats Scotty.. you'll be ripping the streets (and track) soon! :thumbsup:

Rich's super human ears can tolerate 200 db... Impressive. :D

[DETON8R]

That engine sounds like a it is gonna tear up the hills. I'd love to see it on the roads up here, tearing up the Santa Cruz Mountain roads. :unibrow:

[scottysimp7]

What? I cant hear anything! lol It was a good night. Still a lot of little things to do. Hopefully an early Xmas present to me! :D

[CrossRamRich]

Fun, Fun, Fun!!!:unibrow: Nice to see her run. Glad you are enjoying the build Scott.:cheers:

[Flash68]

:_party:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3892.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3897.jpg

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[scottysimp7]

Thunderhill here I come!!!! Nice pics Dave. Thx :thumbsup:

[scottysimp7]

Happy Holidays to all! Hope we all get a sunny Xmas day to cruise what u got. :lateral:

[Rybar]

Damn that looks good. :thumbsup:

[Bryan O]

Damn that looks good. :thumbsup:

^^What Rybar said!

Great build thread. :thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

Sweet !

[Flash68]

Happy Holidays to all! Hope we all get a sunny Xmas day to cruise what u got. :lateral:

Same to you brother.... I'll be down first week/weekend of January and hopefully I can get a ride in that thing. :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Well Scott, it was great to see you get to drive your beast today for the first time, even if it was just a rip up and down the street. Now that thing registered and insured! :lol:

This thing looks and sounds incredible in person. :thumbsup:

0DERtvHd_74

[Ricochet]

Looks great & sounds awesome! Next time use the wide angle lens though! :lol:

[Flash68]

Looks great & sounds awesome! Next time use the wide angle lens though! :lol:

Yeah I hear ya Brent... I kinda failed on that but didn't bring my real camera down there with me. Plus this video was intended for mostly sound pleasure. :unibrow:

[Flash68]

Wide angle this time. :thumbsup:

h2wo0MFOOBE

[waynieZ]

The car looks great and sounds so sweet! I love the idle sounds mean.

[scottysimp7]

Thanks for the vids Dave. :thumbsup:

[dirtshark]

:_party:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3892.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3897.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3896.jpg

The car came out great, nice job!!! What headers are you running and how is the ground clearance on the DSE sub? How far do they hang below the subframe?

[Flash68]

What headers are you running and how is the ground clearance on the DSE sub? How far do they hang below the subframe?

I'll field that. Hooker Super Comps 1-7/8" primaries into 3.5" collectors. They do hang below the sub a bit, but not terribly. I'd guess no more than an inch or likely a little less.

[coolwelder62]

Wow!! What a perfect build.I like everything about this.The color,The wheels,The stance,Just look's Awesome rollin down the street.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[KPC67]

Wow!! What a perfect build.I like everything about this.The color,The wheels,The stance,Just look's Awesome rollin down the street.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I agree, this thing is perfect.:bow:

[Maximum Bob]

X 2

Scott, great taste on everything enjoyed reading through this build. Im not anti LS motors, but am partial to the now OLD SBC's...lol. Good stuff Scott, enjoy it man.

Bob

[cencalc6]

Very Nicely Done! :cheers: Love the way your car sounds....What exhaust are you running?

[cencalc6]

Well Scott, it was great to see you get to drive your beast today for the first time, even if it was just a rip up and down the street. Now that thing registered and insured! :lol:

This thing looks and sounds incredible in person. :thumbsup:

0DERtvHd_74

This is the sound I'm looking For! :thumbsup:

[jr4452]

One of the best looking first gen. Camaros I've seen. Nice and clean, that's the way it should be! Nicely done!

[CrossRamRich]

Very Nicely Done! :cheers: Love the way your car sounds....What exhaust are you running?

Thanks, it a fun car. Exhaust is a Pype's 3 inch x pipe into Magnaflow mufflers turned down at the rear end.

[CrossRamRich]

Let's Go Scotty! Tear it up at RTTC!:cheers:

[DETON8R]

Sounds great!! :thumbsup: I guess you needed to "baby" it to make sure the engine was broken in. :unibrow: Ha!!

When can we see it around town on this side of the hill?

[scottysimp7]

Made my first ever "Run to the Coast 2012" last week. With only 500 miles on the car and switching from driving a 06 Subaru STI 400whp to a 68 camaro 500whp. Lets just say there is a learning curve! Over all the setup felt very neutral. traction was a 7 of 10, and turn in was just average. All of which can be improved. My comfort level in the car was getting better each day, just need more seat time.

A special thanks to Team Road Touring Customs; Rich Bermea, Frankie Judd, Dave Gordon, Eric David, Richie jr (aka. Junior B), and Robert (aka. Clay). With out you guys I would be lost in the pro-touring world. Rich the build went great, and:cheers: the Skip White motor got better each day! Thanks for all the hard work.

[KPC67]

Great looking car! looks like it would have been a blast last weekend..

[Flash68]

Made my first ever "Run to the Coast 2012" last week. With only 500 miles on the car and switching from driving a 06 Subaru STI 400whp to a 68 camaro 500whp. Lets just say there is a learning curve! Over all the setup felt very neutral. traction was a 7 of 10, and turn in was just average. All of which can be improved. My comfort level in the car was getting better each day, just need more seat time.

A special thanks to Team Road Touring Customs; Rich Bermea, Frankie Judd, Dave Gordon, Eric David, Richie jr (aka. Junior B), and Robert (aka. Clay). With out you guys I would be lost in the pro-touring world. Rich the build went great, and:cheers: the Skip White motor got better each day! Thanks for all the hard work.

Scott, your car is a beast man... I love everything about it. :thumbsup: Great first outing and you made the Final Shootout.. :cheers: Man what a great weekend. You'll only get better from here!

Skip White FTW! :D

Great looking car! looks like it would have been a blast last weekend..

Dude... definitely. :cheers:

[Frankenstine]

Car sounds good, ?? on post page 6 you have Borla mufflers in the box, you decide not to run them?? :thumbsup:

[scottysimp7]

A special thanks to Rich Bermea of Road Touring Customs. These pics are from the Capitola Car Show where RTC took home 3 awards for 3 different builds. My car was one of them! Thanks Richie.

[Flash68]

:thumbsup: Yeah buddy!

Art and I will be there next year with ya'all!

[Spiffav8]

Nice! Love that car.

:captain:

[Ron in SoCal]

Congrats Scotty and Rich! Well deserved...:cheers:

[XLexusTech]

Nice Car!

Scotty can you post specs on wheel tire 18 X 8 backspace f &R? also rear length?

[tubbed69]

Very nice car,great job.

[scottysimp7]

Thanks for the nice words guys. Kudos to Rich at Road Touring Customs. First for being honest and trustworthy. Second for getting this build done in less than 1 year! You the man Richie! Gotta love the DSE front clip. All this work done on my car, and the hood never came off. BOOM!:lateral:

[scottysimp7]

Still having issues with the DSE ford 9in. Anyone had or built a custom breather hose/can for the DSE ford rearend? Gotta do something. Anytime your on the road course I get diff fluid all over the undercarriage. Suggestions? :willy:

[coolwelder62]

Scotty,Here's what I did to solve this problem.http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=38294http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h324/bmock5/chevellebuild007.jpghttp://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h324/bmock5/chevellebuild003.jpg

[Tom.A]

Car looks great. Are you making the trip down for RTTC this weekend?

[scottysimp7]

No RTTC this weekend for me. My pockets are empty. If there is another RTTC in March 2013 I will shoot for that. Iron out the suspension set-up and we are ready to go. :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Nice Car!

Scotty can you post specs on wheel tire 18 X 8 backspace f &R? also rear length?

I think it's 18x9 and 18x11 - not sure on backspace specs. 265 front tire and 315 rear I remember that.

[randy]

what brake master cylinder and booster are you using?

[CrossRamRich]

We are using a DSE master cylinder/ booster. It is a 9 inch dual diaphram booster. And I believe it is a 1 inch master. It is a very nice set up.

[scottysimp7]

Happy New Year to all Lat-G'ers!!!! May 2013 bring good weather so we all can drive the wheels off of whatever you got!!!! :thumbsup:

[scottysimp7]

Clean, tuned, and ready to go!

[jcal87]

She lives on through me

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[ScotI]

She lives on through me

I hope to see this @ some events around town. Has much changed mechanically w/the car? I loved it back when it was being put together!

[Flash68]

She lives on through me

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Looks great. Love that car. Enjoy it!