Sale on 1st. &2nd. Gen C-6 Camaro sub frames.

[coolwelder62]

Guy's I have had alot of folk's asking about my C-6 camaro sub frames. So I am going to run a sale starting today until March 15th.You can buy a fully fabricated bare subframew/ bolt on steering arms,Speedway engineering splined sway bar & per bent arms w/ mounting hardware,welded motor mount's & tubular crossmember.Ready for shipping for $2,650.00.These have been retailing for $3,000.00.I have enough material for about 5 units so deliverly time will be about 2 weeks after full payment is recv.I will upload some good photo's tonight.You can email me at [email protected] or call the shop at 1-785-594-7481.I can also offer brand new C-6 componets.Thank's Scott Mock.

[73camarols1]

:D Scott be in touch tomm after I see the tax man. So either way that will be one down. Thanks for answering all those questions. Thanks Bill

[coolwelder62]

some pics of my subframe.

[coolwelder62]

somemore pics.

[youthpastor]

do I see a "certain" '69 Camaro in the background?:unibrow:

[coolwelder62]

Yes Chris you do.That photo was taken right before I sent it to ti new home.That sub frame in the photo is a sub frame I built for a 1st.gen camaro Jody Bernard is working on.:thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

:D Scott be in touch tomm after I see the tax man. So either way that will be one down. Thanks for answering all those questions. Thanks Bill

No problem Bill,Just hoping I find some good customers as your self that are willing to try my product's.I will work real hard to put out a good part at reasonable price.:thumbsup: Thank's Scott

[SWAPMEETCRAZY]

Sent u email--jim

[coolwelder62]

Jim you got mail.Thank's Scott.:thumbsup:

[p51mus]

Clear out your pm please.

[coolwelder62]

Clear out your pm please.

It's All clear ghost rider.:thumbsup:I can be reached by phone also, at home 1-785-594-3299.shop1-785-594-7481.

[glr0212]

Can you give us a quick run down on the pros/cons of the subframe. What else is required. Rack and pinion? Spindles?

Thanks

[T_Raven]

Hmm I don't think I've seen your subframe before. So yours comes with steering arms and the sway bar and ends?

I have a C5 front suspension so I have control arms and knuckles and hubs. What steering rack is yours designed for?

[coolwelder62]

The pro's #1 it works,#2You use up to a 11 wide wheel,315 tire on 69 &70 camaros.#3 Lower cost,#4 my chassis come w/motor mounts,trans mount,and bolt on steering arms.Cons #1 it's not a DSE orAME. #2 Fabricated rails instead of bent or hydroforumed.You will need the following upper & lower C-5/C-6 a-arms,C-5/6 uprights & bearing hubs.A 79-93 fox bodied rack & pinion,15 inch long coil over's 550# spring SBC,LSX.650#springs BBC.I can send it complete and powder coated also but just adds to total cost and shipping is higher when it is a complete unit.I just shipped unit #19 to Cris G. at JCG Restorations on tues.I have owned my Welding and Machine Shop business since 1984.Built my first Corvette sub frame in 2004 using C-4 componets. When those componets got hard to find started using C-5 componets.I am in the process of finishing my 6th. complete PT. build right now. Thank's For looking.Scott

[T_Raven]

Just did a quick search and it looks like Mustang steering racks are pretty cheap so that's a definite plus. I don't know anything about fox body Mustangs though, do you have a recommendation for what year/trim level has a quick ratio?

Thanks

[coolwelder62]

An ARG brand for 79-93 fox bodied mustang 15:1 or20:1 ratio's can be ordered from Jeg's for $249.99 includes tie rods. or a rebuilt unit are also avilable for around $130.00 plus core charges from local parts stores.I can supply brand in the box GM C-6 componets for $1,650.00.I cant buy the rack and pinion or coil overs any cheaper than my customers right now.Just trying to pass the savings.Thanks Scott

[ma73z]

Thanks for all the extra info, I really wish I could swing one of these right now instead of going through my stocker. Nice looking piece Scott :thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

Thanks for all the extra info, I really wish I could swing one of these right now instead of going through my stocker. Nice looking piece Scott :thumbsup:

How far is valley center from baldwin city.You should come by and check out one of my sub frames.I am here 24/7 give me a call.

[CamaroAJ]

wish i knew about this months ago before i bought my speedtech frame. i would have loved 315's on the front on my camaro.

[coolwelder62]

wish i knew about this months ago before i bought my speedtech frame. i would have loved 315's on the front on my camaro.

Sorry,I guess I need to post more photo's of my work.

[CamaroAJ]

Sorry,I guess I need to post more photo's of my work.

please do, that frame looks killer. i will keep it in mind for future builds.

[SWAPMEETCRAZY]

[QUOTE=coolwelder62;332150].Cons #1 it's not a DSE orAME.

BUT IT IS A "SME" !!!! The more I look--the more I like! will call u this wk end Scott---jim

[coolwelder62]

[QUOTE=coolwelder62;332150].Cons #1 it's not a DSE orAME.

BUT IT IS A "SME" !!!! The more I look--the more I like! will call u this wk end Scott---jim

Jim,I will be in the shop most of sat.& sun 1.785.594.7481 or call in the eve 1.785.594.3299.enjoy visiting w/all the folks from lateral-g.Scott

[dhutton]

I think you could sell a few of these if you offered Pontiac mounts. The volume is not there for the big companies but there might be some good voume for you.

Don

[Bow Tie 67]

Scott any idea on weight comparisons?

[coolwelder62]

I think you could sell a few of these if you offered Pontiac mounts. The volume is not there for the big companies but there might be some good voume for you.

Don

Don,If I had a pontiac motor/trans to jig up would do so.If you are interested will build mounts for you N/C. Scott

[coolwelder62]

Scott any idea on weight comparisons?

Just shipped a bare sub frame to Cris at JCG Restoration's wed. it wt# 85#lbs.Less sway bar & motor mount's.

[dhutton]

Don,If I had a pontiac motor/trans to jig up would do so.If you are interested will build mounts for you N/C. Scott

Hey Scott, thanks for the great offer but I've got to finish my GTO before starting my Firebird. I just gave away a complete 389 engine and trans a few weeks ago but I've got another 400 and turbo 350 here that you could borrow if you decide to go ahead. Not sure how far the drive is from here to your place. Pontiac engines are usually easy to find on Craigslist.

Don

[Rybar]

Scott any idea what headers will work with LSX motors in your frame?

[coolwelder62]

Scott any idea what headers will work with LSX motors in your frame?

I been using the coated headers from Art Morrison.Speedway motors just come out w/a set of coated LS headers ($400.00) going to order some of those and work on the fitment.I am going to get back to work on my 63/67 nova chassis here in a few weeks.I have already built one but I need to narrow up the track width.59 inches is too wide for the shoebox nova's.Will be trying to get the track width down around 54 inches.

[SWAPMEETCRAZY]

And when I throw the Buick somewhere in this mix---U will be busy!! lol :yes:

[coolwelder62]

And when I throw the Buick somewhere in this mix---U will be busy!! lol :yes:

Jim,When you are ready just give me a call and I will work you in.I can build a weld in clip for you or I will weld in it for you.Would love to have a car like yours to add to my web site.:thumbsup: Scott

[Cris@JCG]

Scott- Just got my sub-frame in today!! Thanks! This is going to work out great for a 68 Camaro that I am working on.. Thanks again :thumbsup:

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_0919.jpg

[Steve68]

Would my ATS headers work,???

really thinking of the upgrade, my subframes a little rough, hows it come, in pieces like the pic above, or is it all welded??

[coolwelder62]

I don't know if the ATS headers will work.I have been using the coated headers from art morrison nice pcs. less 1/2 price of stainless units.The sub frame I sent Cris is one of my prototype deluxe Uweld it kit's.I will be sending one more to Frankat Proigy to put togather.And then I will be ready to start selling those in late April.Thank's Scott:thumbsup:

[MoparCar]

Scott, Nice work. Still trying to figure out how to make this work for my Challenger!

Wes

[p51mus]

How much for a complete frame with all the bells and whistles? Thanks.

[coolwelder62]

How much for a complete frame with all the bells and whistles? Thanks.
A subframe,splined sway bar,sway bar end links,ARG 15:1 or 20:1 rack w/tie rods,QA1 single ajustable coils w/springs,LSX motor adapters-poly mounts,poly trans mount,frame welded motor mounts,Tubular trans crossmember,Brand new GM C-6 componets(upper a-arms & lower a-arms,machined Spindles,Bearing hubs,Bolt on lower steering arms, complete Z-51 C-6 disc brakes w/pads &hoses),Complete hardware & shim kit,Satin or Gloss black powder coat,DSE soild body bushings.$6,950.00- including shipping.

[p51mus]

coolwelder; clear you pm again please. Thanks.

[coolwelder62]

Sorry Garry,Been flooded w/pm's.All clear.:thumbsup:

[SWAPMEETCRAZY]

tryed calling during day--think it was home though--got a swapmeet i'm doing rest of week--but will definitely talk when i get over this one!!! :D jim

[coolwelder62]

tryed calling during day--think it was home though--got a swapmeet i'm doing rest of week--but will definitely talk when i get over this one!!! :D jim

Jim,Sorry I missed your call was in the house over lunch,but then back out to the shop.1.785.594.7481.house is 1.785.594.3299.Call the shop and leave message if I dont answer or here the phone ring.When I am grinding or the phase conveter is running sometimes its hard to here the phone ring.Thanks Scott.

[slownova]

email sent :)

[coolwelder62]

email sent :)

Brian email answered.Thank's.Scott

[speedfreak]

Sub looks nice any pics of it installed ?

Is the sub designed for low ride hight ?


Thanks,
Brian

[coolwelder62]

Sub looks nice any pics of it installed ?

Is the sub designed for low ride hight ?


Thanks,
BrianBrian, there are a ton of installed shot's on my build thread.The center frame section is about 1.5 inches lower than stock.There are also some shot's of my 72 sitting down on the ground.:thumbsup: Scott

[coolwelder62]

I want to thank everybody that has inquired about my sub frames that I am building.I cant wait to get them delivered.:thumbsup: Thanks Scott.

[radrambler]

GUYS
THIS IS A GREAT DEAL. THIS IS A PROVEN TO PERFORM WITH THE BIG "NAMES" SUBFRAME. Scott doesnt toot his own horn but after getting all the Performance numbers of his car and his sons car AGAINST THE COMPETITION, THIS IS TOP NOTCH EQUIPMENT.
PRICING IS BELOW WHAT ANYONE ELSE OFFERING A COMPETITIVE PRODUCT HAS :wow:

TOM

[SWAPMEETCRAZY]

GUYS
THIS IS A GREAT DEAL. THIS IS A PROVEN TO PERFORM WITH THE BIG "NAMES" SUBFRAME. Scott doesnt toot his own horn but after getting all the Performance numbers of his car and his sons car AGAINST THE COMPETITION, THIS IS TOP NOTCH EQUIPMENT.
PRICING IS BELOW WHAT ANYONE ELSE OFFERING A COMPETITIVE PRODUCT HAS :wow:

TOM

Hey Tom--If i can ever get this 2dr hardtop buick apart so i can send scott the chassis-He will definitely have a portfolio of different cars to show off that talent!! jim :D

[coolwelder62]

Hey guy's I have a subframe that was ordered but was never paid for.So anybody wanting one I can fix you up.Give me a call and we can talk.1-785-594-7481 Thank's Scott

[WSSix]

How did you come up with design ie camber gain and all the other characteristics associated with a front suspension? This will allow 11" wide wheels on the front of a 2nd gen? Are there any body mods needed to fit the 11's? I'm not anywhere near ready to buy unfortunately. I just like having choices. Are you planning to have these for sale as part of your normal business?

I love your camaro Scott. Honestly thought about buying it when you had it for sale.


Thanks

[coolwelder62]

How did you come up with design ie camber gain and all the other characteristics associated with a front suspension? This will allow 11" wide wheels on the front of a 2nd gen? Are there any body mods needed to fit the 11's? I'm not anywhere near ready to buy unfortunately. I just like having choices. Are you planning to have these for sale as part of your normal business?

I love your camaro Scott. Honestly thought about buying it when you had it for sale.


ThanksTrey,My 72 camaro has 18x11's w/7.375 back space up front.During mock up everything has clearance.My 72 has no body mod's.I just delivered Sub frame # 22 today.I would like to keep selling these as long as I am able to sell them.

[WSSix]

Thanks Scott!

[SWAPMEETCRAZY]

I would like to keep selling these as long as I am able to sell them.

:rofl: :rofl: Let's get this straight --Ur 30% plus cheaper than competitors-your products are great looking and tested--everyone looking at this thread is P.R.ing them--and your a great guy and communicator on the phone!! (we will leave off the fact U ARE IN KANSAS--LOL)

THERFORE-I DON'T THINK SELLING WILL BE A PROBLEM!! (despite this economy) :D JIM

[daytonayellaz]

Scott.....sent you a PM last night on PT about my frame. Bump for you!:thumbsup:

[68KMARO]

Let's get this straight --Ur 30% plus cheaper than competitors-your products are great looking and tested--everyone looking at this thread is P.R.ing them--and your a great guy and communicator on the phone!! (we will leave off the fact U ARE IN KANSAS--LOL)

THERFORE-I DON'T THINK SELLING WILL BE A PROBLEM!! (despite this economy) JIM

X2

RICH

[coolwelder62]

Thanks Guy's.I only live in Kansas because my lovely Wife does not wan't to move.God I hate this Frickin snow and cold weather.Then we have that humitity in the summer time.So I keep the door shut and build sub frames.:lol:

[Rhino]

I've gotta jump on the bandwagon too. I picked up a sub from Scott yesterday. I took some time today doing some preassembly and verifying measurements. Everything is on the spot with what I had expected. You can tell he takes pride in his work.

It's also nice that he's been running this himself and has good insight to getting it to perform right out of the box. I can't wait to throw this thing under the car.

[SWAPMEETCRAZY]

^^^^^^^ See what I mean Scott :yes: jim

[coolwelder62]

I have been flooded w/pm's and emails about the subframes so I am going to extend the sale date until March 31st. So everybody can have some more time to make up their minds.Longer you wait the more folks that will get their orders ahead of you.( Remeber the more you spend the more you save!!!.That's girl math):lol: :lol: Thanks Scott

[David Pozzi]

How similar are the 69 & 2nd gen subs? Same width at hubs & frame rails?

[coolwelder62]

David the 1st,and 2nd. gen sub frame have the same track width(60inches) and the frames rails are 32 inches wide out side to outside.I am running a 18x11 wheel w 7.375 back space and a 315/30/18 tire up front on my 72 camaro and also had this same tire and wheel combo on my 69 sunoco camaro.They are very close to being the same except for where they mount at the fire wall and go back under the floor pans.Let me know what I can do to help you out.Thank's Scott Mock.

[coolwelder62]

I just got a quote from the local powder coater that I use and he will powder coat these sub frames for $150.00 each in satin or gloss black.Other colors would be an up charge of $25.00.Let me know guys.ThanksScott.

[TBART70]

I just got a quote from the local powder coater that I use and he will powder coat these sub frames for $150.00 each in satin or gloss black.Other colors would be an up charge of $25.00.Let me know guys.ThanksScott.


good price for coating, I got a quote for $350.00 for my stock frame.

[coolwelder62]

I have used Louis at RML coating in Ottawa Ks. For a few years now for all kinds of parts.Always a good price and very nice work.And quick turn around most times with in 7 to 10 days.:thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

Well Kevin's 69 camaro and sub frame work so well at 'goodguy's Dallas I was able to sell a rear suspension setup like what we designed and built in Kevin's camaro.:thumbsup: Thank's to Shannon !

[Jr]

Sounds good.

Do you have pictures of Kevin's car?

[coolwelder62]

Sounds good.

Do you have pictures of Kevin's car?Kevin has his own 69 camaro build thread.Under millertime179.There are some nice shots of his camaro.We were havin so much fun tweeking on the car at TMS goodguy's trying to keep up with Brian Finch & Kyle Tucker I for got to get some photos of Kevin and his camaro.

[MODO Innovations]

Kevin has his own 69 camaro build thread.Under millertime179.There are some nice shots of his camaro.We were havin so much fun tweeking on the car at TMS goodguy's trying to keep up with Brian Finch & Kyle Tucker I for got to get some photos of Kevin and his camaro.

Kevin's build thread
http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=25177

[drednot]

I suppose these subframes would fit a third gen Nova? On the C6 spindles, do you use the stock C6 or would the AFX work? Also what motor mount is on these again? Last question, is the trans mount adjustable? Sorry for all the questions, Thanks

[coolwelder62]

I suppose these subframes would fit a third gen Nova? On the C6 spindles, do you use the stock C6 or would the AFX work? Also what motor mount is on these again? Last question, is the trans mount adjustable? Sorry for all the questions, ThanksThey will work on novas from 68-74.They use stock c5/c6 splindles w steering arm cut off and mounting holes redrilled.the steering arms are supplied w/the subframe.Thanks Scott

[jcal87]

Ok so what can this Frame not do that AME or DSE can, aside from bent and hydroformed frame rails.

[Track Junky]

Ok so what can this Frame not do that AME or DSE can, aside from bent and hydroformed frame rails.

Cost you more money :unibrow:

Keep up the good work Scott :cheers:

[coolwelder62]

My sub frame is very close to the design Wayne Due used.I have been looking for some one to bend the 2x4 rec. tube for me but can't get them to call me back.So I may be looking to go another direction w/ my materials choice.And will start working on a new light wt.# design here in a few week's.It is very hard to find a company that can bend 2x4 each direction.And then getting them to give you a quote is even harder.So for now I will cut and weld the tubing the same way the Nascar team's build their Winston cup chassis.Thank's to all 25 customer's over the last 5 year's who have trusted me to build their componet's.:thumbsup: Scott M.

[Track Junky]

Any idea what a stock '69 subframe weight's in at?

[jcal87]

So tire size, suspension options,engine options its all the same?

[coolwelder62]

Using my fabricated sub frame on a 67-68 camaro you run a 18x10 frt wheel.The 67-68 camaro's are alittle narrower than the 69's .I have had an 18x11 on a 69 camaro w/no issues.And now my 72 camaro has 18x11's and they fit great.LS motors and T56's also work in them.I am working on finding a set of well built header's that will work w/the sub frame also.

[coolwelder62]

I guess I should have put the sub frame that I have left on this thread.

[jamesg602]

Coolwelder,

Would this subframe work with aftermarket a-arms say from DSE or speed tech etc? Do you know if I would be able to use my coilovers and a-arms from the DSE coilover kit (DSE speed package)?

[coolwelder62]

Coolwelder,

Would this subframe work with aftermarket a-arms say from DSE or speed tech etc? Do you know if I would be able to use my coilovers and a-arms from the DSE coilover kit (DSE speed package)?My sub frame uses only C5/C6 componets.Sorry.

[coolwelder62]

Hey guy's next week I will be building some ordered subframes.I have enough materials left to build 3 extra's that have not been ordered. 1st. or 2nd gens.I will be pricing these bare sub frames at $2,350.00 or $2,150.00 w/o sway bars. Plus shipping or local p/u.First come first serve.So call the shop or email me at [email protected] May 1st. materials and the sway bar prices will going up.Thanks Scott.

[radrambler]

http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac278/kustomcarguy/IMG_00901.jpg



Scott asked me to post this to show his powdercoated subframe completed

[radrambler]

http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac278/kustomcarguy/IMG_00911.jpg



:thumbsup: Scott

[camcojb]

beautiful work. :thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

HEY GUYS WATCH OUT FOR CHEAP COPY'S out there.The sub frame you are buying is not MADE BY ME.Scott Mock.I have a complete customer list if anybody is unsure of what they are buying.Call me Scott.1-785-594-7481

[214Chevy]

HEY GUYS WATCH OUT FOR CHEAP COPY'S out there.

Yeah, I saw the add in the for sale section where some other guy was claiming a subframe to be yours. This is sad. There's nothing wrong with "cheap." I'm pretty sure there are lots of guys who don't mind buying cheap and cannot afford the better parts. The problem is when another person pawns the cheap parts off on others and tarnishes a good guys name and reputation....yours in particular. Anyway, I want to commend you on such a good looking part and a very nice and attractive price to go with it might I add. I don't have a Camaro, but if I ever get one, your subframe will be the one I buy. Keep up the good work and providing quality subframes and I hope you sell plenty of them. Much success!! :thumbsup:

[KSBRKTRACER]

If it was in the budget ..... I would be buying one of these , Killer looking piece for sure !!!!!!!

[Ron in SoCal]

HEY GUYS WATCH OUT FOR CHEAP COPY'S out there.The sub frame you are buying is not MADE BY ME.Scott Mock.I have a complete customer list if anybody is unsure of what they are buying.Call me Scott.1-785-594-7481

I think some details on this would be helpful. Not looking for a bash party, just a heads up to avoid a train wreck....:_paranoid

[coolwelder62]

Hey,guys if you are thinking about buying a subframe please me call me first. I can tell you if what you will be getting is from a real customer or just some one making cheap copys.There was only one of my sub frames for sale. the other frame is a copy.There is no friend with a good deal.I know I built these things.3 people have already PM'd me asking if they buying are my frame.3 people cant buy the same frame.My shop phone is 1-785-594-7481.I have everybody's name and locations of where my sub frames have gone.Thanks Scott Mock,and I am sorry that this mess is happening.

[81s]

I did read and i see you stated the frames use c5/c6 parts. Are the coilovers also c6 right out of the box or do i have to modify them to get them to work? sorry for being redundant.

more eye candy please

[cacwyo]

I did read and i see you stated the frames use c5/c6 parts. Are the coilovers also c6 right out of the box or do i have to modify them to get them to work? sorry for being redundant.

more eye candy please

If I am not mistaken, and may speak for Scott here, a 12" coilover is used. QA1, Strange, AFCO all make single or double adjustable coilovers that work great with this setup. I believe with Scott's setup we ran a 12" on our 69 Camaros. Scotts subframe comes with a upper coilover mount welded in and a lower that is used with the lower vette control arm can be made by Scott as well (not sure if it comes with the setup). Coilover bolts right in and shouldnt need to be modified. Hope I am not stepping on his toes here.

[coolwelder62]

FYI/I use a 14.250 extended length coil over w/std. welded upper shock mount.If you have ordered the sub frame w/the optional ajustable upper shock mount you need to buy a coil over w/15.250 extended length.

[cacwyo]

FYI/I use a 14.250 extended length coil over w/std. welded upper shock mount.If you have ordered the sub frame w/the optional ajustable upper shock mount you need to buy a coil over w/15.250 extended length.

was at the shop earlier today...14" was used, oops. Thanks for correcting me Scott.

[coolwelder62]

Chris,I will weld your shock bracket's togather in the morning if you want to come by and pick them up.Will be gone during lunch hour.Scott

[Steve68]

Wanted to show my nice piece!!! aint it pretty!!!

http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z461/Steve6869/065.jpg

[70ptta]

how much is shipping to san jose 95127 thanks

[dwfastcam]

Beautiful work Scott

Couple questions,What width wheel are we running on 68-74 X-Bodys? Backspace? Does this allow for any additional ground clearance?:hail:

Thanks

DW

[coolwelder62]

how much is shipping to san jose 95127 thanksShipping cost is going to around $260.00.

[coolwelder62]

Beautiful work Scott

Couple questions,What width wheel are we running on 68-74 X-Bodys? Backspace? Does this allow for any additional ground clearance?:hail:

Thanks

DWYou could run 18x10 w/ 7.25 back space