New Camaro revealed.

[trapin]

There's a video too.

Here she is...enjoy. (http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=3124)

[Project_Gotham]

I never thought that I would say this but... I would buy the new challenger rather than the new camaro after seeing it. Geeze the rear end of the camaro looks ugly. That my opinoin. But we all know that the final product changes a little from the concept.
I hope the chevy gods dont punish me!

The interior looks HOT though

[BC69]

I'll take one please, in red! I like it alot. Looks alot better then the leaked photos! Lets see what production version looks like though. Remember the mustang concept vs. production!

Thanks for the info!

Tim

[JohnnyGMachine]

HHHHMMMMmmmm....I kinda like it. I really like to see more photos of though. The video moves too fast to really study the details long enough.

My first impression seeing the front 3/4 view - boxy. I like it from the cowl back but man there's a lot of frontal area. In the video when you see it at a rear 3/4 view it looks pretty sweet overall. I think it has pretty nice proportions and I like most of the details.

Things i like about it:
- Wheels
- Proportions
- Greenhouse
- Everything about the rear of the car except the tail lights
- Hood
- Lower front grill

Things that I hope will improve for production:
- The grill. Overall I think it is definately the right styling direction but it's just too edge styling, it could use just a little curve to it. I think Cadillac CTS when I see the front grill and bumper - not a direct copy or comparison but just the overall shapes and styling of the grill openings and fender shapes.
- The lower rocker triangular recess - again I think this is a nice detail but too edgy - even just a little curve to it might add a little tension or movement to the shape. Extrapolate it more.
- Tail lights - these could grow on me. I kinda like 'em but don't? It'd be sweet if maybe those trapazoidal shapes were sunk into or surrounded by a blacked out rear graphic?
- The front fenders - The top leading edge of the fender from the front fascia and into the door just seems reall flat, almost no curve to it which I think really adds to the front boxy look. I think it just makes the front look even more boxy than the rear end. Even the 3rd gen Camaros had more sexy curved front fenders and that car is kinda boxy but it has enough curve.

Again, I'm not knocking the car, just stating my observations and opinions and offering up my 2 cents as a professional designer. I think if there was a little less frontal area and just a little curvature added to the front fenders and lower rocker recesses i think it'd be drop dead hot!

If I had to make a call right now - I think I'd still have to put my money on the new Mustang and here's why...

Camaro - Until I see an actual production car I can't decide. If the front stays as boxy as it does - I don't care if it's got 500 hp. and costs $10K less than a Mustang - my money is on the Stang.

Challenger - Looks pretty cool, maybe the sides are a little slab sided but overall it's wicked. The down side is that it's rumored to be 4100 lbs. and the base Hemi is $35,000??!!! I'd take a 2007 Shelby GT500 first for the same dough and more power.

Mustang - There's maybe one or two little nit pick things about it but overall I think they really nailed the styling on the car especially the front end - The Shelby is just pure sex on wheels I think and I can get a GT for $25,000! I can afford it and hop it up cheap. The design is well balanced, clean and just looks good. Take a GT and put a nice set of 19s on it, drop it, a chin, a ducktail spoiler, and a supercharger - I'm there!

I still would like to wait and see them all in production versions together before I cast my vote.

My 2 cents,
John

[62fairlane]

I think they dropped the ball on the nose.....looks out of place.

I do like the filler neck/door on it

I am also sure a production version would have large side mirrors on it.

[jonny51]

I like it :thumbsup:

[J2SpeedandCustom]

Since it's still in "Concept" form the production version will differ. Just like the Mustang concept it looked like a 2 seater, but the production versio was longer and lost some of the edge.

I think it's great to see GM stepping into the "New Muscle" battle. I can't wait to see where this takes us!!! :thumbsup:

No Matter how you look at it we again have the Charger, Cuda, and Camaro. That's HUGE!

[96z28ss]

I like the Mustang and the Challenger better. I think they could of done a better job on the front end and the rear tail lights. Also the exhaust tips are a bit to ricer for me.

I do however love the rear quarter scopes like the 1969 camaro.

[JohnnyGMachine]

I just couldn't resist!!! I needed to see this car with Z/28 stripes on it! Hopefully this is OK to post, if not I apologize and can remove the attachment. I figured it'd be ok.

I also tried out the stripes with a couple different body colors and blacked out the grill recess.

John

[AAW]

John
I like yours better than theirs. :_paranoid

:thumbsup:

[GvEman]

Awesome! I love it but I think all these retro cars look weird in a manner.. They have so high body panels which make the car look fat and then they make a low roof to compensate, which makes no sense to me. And then they also make a slim grill on that huge front end like the Challenger and that looks weird. But I must say… I rather drive the Camaro than Mustang or Challenger. I really hope they make this car!

Cheers Anton

[c.schulz]

Im not seeing it on the Road And Track site??Maybe GM made them pull it??? :wow: :wow:

Chris

[69rs]

Im not seeing it on the Road And Track site??Maybe GM made them pull it??? :wow: :wow:

Chris
I'm glad I'm not the only one! I looked all over, but couldn't find anything.

[XcYZ]

They took it all down including the video. I'm guessing someone got in some trouble.

The video really shows how cool the car is. I think it's awesome, the lines remind me a bit of the new stuff from Cadillac which I love.

Build THAT car GM! :)

[McssGmachine]

I think it looks great! Lets see what the final productin car looks like. :thumbsup:

[Steve Chryssos]

I dig it. A lot.

[c.schulz]

Build THAT car GM! :)

Stay tuned!!!! The full reveal will be Monday morn at 10:30.


Chris

[jannes_z-28]

Got this image in the mail from a guy I know who is in Detroit:

http://www.protouring.se/files/0602_camaro_ofsk_02_900.jpg


Jan

[BC69]

Have they attached a year to it? Like 2008? 2009? Or is this just concept car?

Tim

[GvEman]

That pic is awesome!

Have they attached a year to it? Like 2008? 2009? Or is this just concept car?

Tim

Ye in the movie they said if the people likes it it might get pruduced in 2008 as a 2009 model.

[clill]

At a event for the new car tonight at the GM Heritage Center one of the head guys said the car was still a concept and they are listening for opinions. If you send emails they will be read.

[trapin]

Charley...where do they send the e-mails, do you have an address? When these threads have run their course I was thinking of printing them out and handing them to Tom Peters or just sending him a lotus notes with links to them.

[Kendall Burleson]

Don;t care for it.

[rockdogz]

Awesome; looks mean.... it can't get here soon enough :thumbsup:

[Diognes56]

I like it :thumbsup: . Though I am not sure about the tail lights, hate the exaggerated exhaust, and I would get rid of the hood scoop, I still want one :yes: .

I would do mine up like a Yenko. Except with a 6L based 427 and Wheel Vintiques 18" ralley rims (maybe, depends on how they would look). Black w/ red stripes (to match my '56 :D if I ever get it done).

http://home.grics.net/~redean/Yenko2.jpg
Rough P/S

David

[Damn True]

Are there any photos of the back? People keep mentioning it, but I dunno what the heck they are talking about.

I dig the whole front end. The mirrors gotta go though.

[XcYZ]

I really like the body lines in the roof.

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/9331/0602camaroofsk019000lm.jpg

[Ummgawa]

Found this on another site

mms://c9o.earthcache.net/woc-01.media.globix.net/COMP000787MOD1/roadandtrack/2006/0601_camaro_hi.wmv

Cut/Paste to browser

[almcbri]

My opinion: GM is right on with this car. I still would like to see the rear tail panel of the car. From the side and front, the car is perfect. I will be first in line to order one if this car goes into production.

My question is: I wonder what kind of engine/tranny options will be available?

[markss28]

I would buy one in a heart beat. I wonder what the price is going to be like.

[lil427z]

like to no the $$$$ it will coust .
rick k :)

[XcYZ]

Hard to say what it will cost, but you know it will HAVE to be in line with the Mustang. They can't price themselves out of the market.

To me, the BIG question is.... can I get it with an LS7?

[rockdogz]

To me, the BIG question is.... can I get it with an LS7?

The Z06 flagship engine? I don't see how they would allow that... don't get me wrong, I would be all over that but I think the chances of that are slim to none.

[trapin]

Price will be in line with Mustang and Challanger.

Drivetrain? Probably LS3, 6 speed gearbox.

[XcYZ]

I hear you, but it would be cool if they did a very limited run - like a ZL1.

It doesn't matter to me I guess, there's no way I could afford that anyways.

[mdprovee]

I like it...if they make them at a good price I would be in line to get one.

The only thing I dont like is that the grille is too pointed and doesnt match the front edge of hood. I think it would flow better with the grille at the same angle as the front edge of hood.

[rockdogz]

Drivetrain? Probably LS3, 6 speed gearbox.

What's an LS3??

[jannes_z-28]

I hear you, but it would be cool if they did a very limited run - like a ZL1.

It doesn't matter to me I guess, there's no way I could afford that anyways.


Couldn't some clever dealer order an COPO with LS7?

Or it might be LS8 when it comes out.


Jan

[trapin]

What's an LS3??
Exactly. :yes:

[Diognes56]

Found this on Cheers & Gears (http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=72&t=4770&st=0#entry70755) :

Courtesy of Cheers & Gears, the official specs are:

Wheelbase (in / mm): 110.5 / 2806

Length (in / mm): 186.2 / 4730

Width (in / mm): 79.6 / 2022

Height (in / mm): 53 / 1344

Track (in / mm): 63.8 / 1620 front; 63.3 / 1607 rear

Engine: 6.0-L V-8 LS-2, 400 hp / 298 kw, with Active Fuel Management™

Transmission: six-speed manual T56

Suspension: four-wheel independent: MacPherson strut front, multilink rear, progressive rate coil springs, gas-pressurized dampers

Brakes: four-wheel disc, 14” rotors with four-piston calipers

Wheels: cast aluminum, 21” front, 22” rear

Tires: 275/30R21 front, 305/30R22 rear

Other links of interest:

Fastlane Blogs (http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/archives/2006/01/one_for_the_age_1.html#more)

Chevrolet Performance (http://www.chevrolet.com/performance/)

AutoWeek (http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chevy/camaro/pages/16.htm)

More Pics and the Competitors (http://imageevent.com/face440/camaro)

Here is a pic of the rear for those who have not seen it and also a profile view, interior view, and engine view: (The top three pics are from AutoWeek and the fourth is from Cheers & Gears :thumbsup: )

http://home.grics.net/~redean/Camaro14.jpg

http://home.grics.net/~redean/Camaro17.jpg

http://home.grics.net/~redean/Camaro13.jpg

http://home.grics.net/~redean/camaro2.jpg

David

[rockdogz]

What's an LS3??


Exactly. :yes:

Hey, you can't use a term and then not define it!!!!!! :)

[Diognes56]

LS3 - 6.2L (rumored to be around 450hp)

LS9 - Supercharged 6.2L (rumored to be around 600hp)

Both are rumored to be the upcoming engines for the Corvette with one or possibly both being available in the Camaro.

David

[rockdogz]

LS3 - 6.2L

The 6.2L wouldn't be the LS9?

Confused yet? I am.
Hmm, maybe that should be my new sig.

[XcYZ]

From what I've read over at GMI, the LS9 is a LS7 with forced induction. As if that motor wasn't wicked enough.

[Kris Horton]

From what I've read over at GMI, the LS9 is a LS7 with forced induction. As if that motor wasn't wicked enough.


:hail:

I reckon a Baldwin-Motion 5th gen is in order. Anyone with me? :D Great time for the brand to be re-launched. I reckon I might even get to have a hand in that one.

[clill]

http://www.camcojb.com/detroit4.jpg http://www.camcojb.com/detroit3.jpg http://www.camcojb.com/detroit2.jpg http://www.camcojb.com/detroit1.jpg

[XcYZ]

...and it's the same color as the Mule...

Wouldn't that look cool sitting next to your car, Charley. :yes:

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5711/camaro120061ng.jpg

http://www.lateral-g.net/lillard/05.jpg

[trapin]

Kinda cool seeing those two cars next to each other. I don't know what it is but I get the sneaky suspicion these two have met somewhere before. Like, in a large building....with designers and engineers...sketches tacked up all around....clay strewn about the floor.

Hmmmm.......

Ahh nevermind. ;)

[markss28]

I love the whole car. Now that I have seen the rear of it, it doesnt look as bad as others have mentioned. I personaly would like to see some chrome around the tail lights to give a more 1969 tail light look. That would do it for me.

I think the price will probably be in the low to mid 30s. even though they would want to keep it in the Mustang market. I think the camaro and the challenger are way out of its league and would be priced a bit more considering what it has more to offer.

[rockdogz]

It is cool seeing those two side by side... you can really tell the similarities/differences. I'm wondering why the rocker was done that way and the door doesn't come all the way down like on the '69. I think the 21/22" wheels are an indicator of how far this is from production... I know, it's just a concept but it's hard to swallow that it will be 3 years away if ever.

[Stuart Adams]

Like the car. Make the nose more blunt and chunky. Anxious to here about motor options, hp.
Great start, maybe I should buy some stock, ya think.

[Musclerodz]

Don't care for the rear. Either need to shorten the nose or lengthen the rear to better balance the look. The interior is sick!!! I wonder what that would look like in my '68? :yes:

Mike

[Smack_talker]

I like the shape of the car but not the razor looking front ( or smiley front as some call it) end or the back. Do you guys like those ugly quad tailights? I dont. I hope it changes before production. Will they make a Pontiac (Firebird) version later?

[XcYZ]

And the PhotoShops keep coming...

http://homepage.mac.com/bond2/camaro/CamaroConceptBlueWhite.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/bond2/camaro/CamaroConceptWhiteOranges.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/958/camaroyellowandblack4oe.jpg

[Damn True]

Front end :thumbsup:
Rear end :thumbsup:
Firechicken :thmbsdwn:

[Damn True]

And the PhotoShops keep coming...

http://homepage.mac.com/bond2/camaro/CamaroConceptBlueWhite.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/bond2/camaro/CamaroConceptWhiteOranges.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/958/camaroyellowandblack4oe.jpg

Oooh I like the yellow/black.

How about something with a paint scheme like this on it:

http://www.historictransam.com/images/_HST3499.jpg

[AAW]

Scott,
Can I see one in PINK?
:_paranoid
~Theresa~

[jannes_z-28]

I just made this one:

http://www.protouring.se/files/number_6.jpg

Jan

[Huxsol81]

:faint: If you build it.........I will buy! :thumbsup:

[Huxsol81]

http://www.lateral-g.net/lillard/05.jpg[/QUOTE]

Hey Charley, how much room between your rear bumper and the wall? Man that looks close.

[Y-TRY]

I retract almost all of the bad things I said about GM. I really, really, like that car! :thumbsup:

Too many good things to say.

Bad thing, though- It still may be a little late if we have to wait until 2009 to drive one. But, if Mopar makes the Challenger, and they make that Camaro, I can see an exciting battle coming! It really would be the return of the Musclecar, even in spirit on the street. :thumbsup:

[Kris Horton]

Something I posted on another Camaro board:

I definitely dig the Camaro concept a lot and am glad to see GM back in the game. It's a great day indeed. There are things I'd change about it, as with any car, but overall, it's a sinister car with a lot of promise. Kudos to the GM designers that worked on it and to the people responsible for making the concept a reality.

Here's a chop of what I think would look pretty sweet for an RS/SS option. The hideaway headlight option is becoming so insanely popular on 69 Camaros that even the standard front end guys are going out and swapping their setups for the RS look. I think GM could pull off this look pretty easily given headlight technology and not have to worry about functioning headlight doors.

Anyway, I'm sure all this stuff's been said so I'll shut up and post my quick little photochop that I did during lunch today.

http://www.lifeinwidescreen.com/siihp/gen5chop16gn.jpeg

[rwhite692]

Kris, that is awesome!! :hail: Nice work!

[Damn True]

Something I posted on another Camaro board:

I definitely dig the Camaro concept a lot and am glad to see GM back in the game. It's a great day indeed. There are things I'd change about it, as with any car, but overall, it's a sinister car with a lot of promise. Kudos to the GM designers that worked on it and to the people responsible for making the concept a reality.

Here's a chop of what I think would look pretty sweet for an RS/SS option. The hideaway headlight option is becoming so insanely popular on 69 Camaros that even the standard front end guys are going out and swapping their setups for the RS look. I think GM could pull off this look pretty easily given headlight technology and not have to worry about functioning headlight doors.

Anyway, I'm sure all this stuff's been said so I'll shut up and post my quick little photochop that I did during lunch today.

http://www.lifeinwidescreen.com/siihp/gen5chop16gn.jpeg


Wondering what it might look like with some realistic wheel sizes.

[Hooligan]

Nice concept. I'll wait to see one in the flesh before passing final judgment. As shocking as it sounds I think I like the Camaro better than the challanger!:wow: :willy: :eek:

[c.schulz]

I just cant believe all the positive feed back on this!!!!!!!! As part of the CZ6 camaro design team, THANK YOU ALL!!!! :yes: :yes:
There is quite the story that goes with this car design.Let me just say in short that we were asked to do the impposible in a short time frame and we pulled it off.Glad to see the positive comments about GM also.


THANKS AGAIN
Chris

[Stuart Adams]

I really like the car, it has potential to be real cool. Just a tweak here or there and wala.

Kris, push the center section of the nose back so its more boxed and straighter across, see what that looks like.

[trapin]

Kris...that's killer!

I'd be interested to see your take on the landing area of the belt line at the A-pillar. Specifically the rear view mirror. It's a tight squeeze in there. I wanna see what a more "production type" rear view mirror would look like in that area. It's possible that you might have to eat up part the corner of the side glass to mount one.

[Damn True]

If that "landing area" were more angled downward you'd have more surface area right? Perhaps enough for a mirror stalk the size of the one on the Vette or Solstice? Of course a mirror as round as those wouldn't fit with the rest of the car, but if you gave a little F-117 treatment to the outer shell of the mirror you might be able to come up with something that blended in a little better w/o looking like a gizmo from a James Bond car.

[clinthart]

I'll take one please, in red! I like it alot. Looks alot better then the leaked photos! Lets see what production version looks like though. Remember the mustang concept vs. production!

Thanks for the info!

Tim

I'll take mine in silver.

:)

[clinthart]

I just cant believe all the positive feed back on this!!!!!!!! As part of the CZ6 camaro design team, THANK YOU ALL!!!! :yes: :yes:
There is quite the story that goes with this car design.Let me just say in short that we were asked to do the impposible in a short time frame and we pulled it off.Glad to see the positive comments about GM also.


THANKS AGAIN
Chris

You're welcome. Now build the bloody thing so I can see it in my driveway!

:)

[XcYZ]

Came across another Photoshop.... a vert...

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/7546/camaroconvert5lj.jpg

[clinthart]

The Z06 flagship engine? I don't see how they would allow that... don't get me wrong, I would be all over that but I think the chances of that are slim to none.

By the time the Camaro comes out in '09 - '10, the LS7 will no longer be the Z06 flagship engine. The LS7 is a possible power plant.

[camaro_kyle]

That vert photoshop looks an awful lot like a new Mustang vert. If they do make a convertible, I hope it doesn't look like that.

[rockdogz]

By the time the Camaro comes out in '09 - '10, the LS7 will no longer be the Z06 flagship engine. The LS7 is a possible power plant.

Great point, I guess I was thinking about the current engine lineup...as if the new Camaro would come out tomorrow or something... :rofl:

[T Bell]

Love it. Love it. Love it. And I'm an Oldsmobile guy.

[srh3trinity]

I like it, I sure do hope the General sends a few to some of the aftermarket companies (if it goes into production) so that they can start making accessories and performance upgrades available the same time the car comes out. If I am not mistaken Ford did that with the newest iteration of the Mustang. This car should make a nice graduation present for myself.

[markss28]

I am going to get one even if my wife needs to get 3 jobs I am going to get one.

They have to make with more power then the ls2 comes with now. I think something like 425-450hp and weighing under 3500lbs would be the way to go. The GTO has a strong motor but weighs a bit much and considering the 06 Vette weighs around 3100lbs I am sure GM can get it to the 3500lb weight or less.

[LIL QIK]

Well........I have to say that I don't like it. I was really hoping for something that looked closer to the original's.....when I look at that car........I don't see Camaro.........and not sure I would know that's what it suppose to be without someone telling me.

I like the interior and the LS2 option.....but the exterior just doesn't do it for me. The front end looks like a 2004 or so Impala.....the headlights kinda look Cadillac-ish......

I was really hoping for the nice round headlights.....the original style tail lights.......and a trunk. What's up with not having the trunk in a Camaro. Anyway........maybe it'll grow on me.........But I don't see me buying one.

I hate to say it.....But Ford hit it right on the head when they built the Mustang. I would never guess that was a Camaro if it was driving past me. :thmbsdwn:

[rwhite692]

All the following IMHO, no strong debate or anything…

I liked it right off. Especially now that I’ve been able to see it with people standing next to it, to be able to see how it scales out. To me, It’s bigger than it had looked to be in the early photos. There is definitely a styling edict at work within GM to create “family resemblance” with Corvette (same lead designer). I think the front of the car looks really menacing.

I think it is about as retro as can be and still be “new” enough to appeal to people that are younger than ~40. The roofline and qtr windows, doors, quarters have enough strong first-gen cues for me… The dash too I think strikes a neat balance. I personally don’t want a verbatim re-creation of 1969.

I’m still on the fence with the taillights but I do like the “sunken-in” depth that you can see within the housings themselves, maybe the outline shape could be tweaked some.

I think that, If you go TOO retro with a design, then, after a few years…what do you do next? except…probably kill it altogether.


The new car has to be able to stand on its own and have its own styling evolution path to follow. I think that from what we see in the new car, GM is thinking this way and there is a plan for the car to have some longevity as an evolving design.

I think we also can’t expect to have the same kind of big collective gasp and overwhelming positive reaction that the current Mustang had when it was first shown. Ford was the first in the "nuvo-retro" game and that whole idea was a brand new concept to everyone then, and everyone was so hungry for ANYTHING new and fresh. Now retro is all over the place, and neat designs in general (retro or not) are popping up everywhere.

Also in terms of reaction (esp on the msg boards) a new Camaro (since it went AWAY, unlike Mustang) has been fretted over / debated / anticipated / discussed ad NAUSEUM, for the last 3 years or so, and so there will be no shortage of critics just posting their brains out about it on the net. I think that “negative nellies”, on any subject, any message board (except lat-g!), tend to out-post positive or moderate people by a significant margin.

I’m much more interested to hear what Mr. and Mrs. Joe Average have to say when they see one pass them by as they are walking down main street USA having never seen one before.

I think that FBody sales tumbled mostly because of a lack of practicality. Most people were not willing to live with one as an “only vehicle”. The same problem very nearly killed Corvette before C5, because you couldn’t fit a set of golf clubs into the back of a C4, and that has been rectified with C5 forward.

Anyway, people just couldn’t live with those Gen3/Gen4 back seats. Four office workers can’t go out to lunch in a 3rd or 4th gen, without there being a lot of bitching going on. New mustang has a usable back seat and decent headroom, sales guy here has a GT and I’ve ridden in the back and it’s a complete non-issue. From the looks of Camaro it will be a similar configuration back there.

Hopefully they also will do a good job with the V6 version of the car which will be the volume sales leader esp in fleet and thus extremely important to the bottom line for Camaro. The Mustang V6 is just a great entry-level car and is a screaming bargain with 200 or so HP.

It’s rear wheel drive, LSx powered, it’s actually called a Camaro, and hopefully will be affordable enough to get the aftermarket spooled up in a big way. That alone is enough to make me rejoice! J

Again, just my $.02. I think it will do well, we’ll see!

[69MyWay]

All the following IMHO, no strong debate or anything…


I could not have said it better myself!

Excellent post!

[Mecom Racer]

Well........I have to say that I don't like it. I was really hoping for something that looked closer to the original's.....when I look at that car........I don't see Camaro.........and not sure I would know that's what it suppose to be without someone telling me.

I like the interior and the LS2 option.....but the exterior just doesn't do it for me. The front end looks like a 2004 or so Impala.....the headlights kinda look Cadillac-ish......

I was really hoping for the nice round headlights.....the original style tail lights.......and a trunk. What's up with not having the trunk in a Camaro. Anyway........maybe it'll grow on me.........But I don't see me buying one.

I hate to say it.....But Ford hit it right on the head when they built the Mustang. I would never guess that was a Camaro if it was driving past me. :thmbsdwn:

It sounds like you should just go buy a '69. I just don't get it... why do people want GM to build a 40 year old car? Retro is a current fad and I'm glad GM has the foresight to design something new looking instead of chasing Ford and Dodge with their Foose-ish retro design recycling.

[c.schulz]

It sounds like you should just go buy a '69. I just don't get it... why do people want GM to build a 40 year old car? Retro is a current fad and I'm glad GM has the foresight to design something new looking instead of chasing Ford and Dodge with their Foose-ish retro design recycling.


Its a funny thing you should say that.The original model that was started at GMs Design north building was almost a very near copy of the 69.Charlie Lillard may remember for his car the MULE was used as an inspirational piece for the design model.
In June our vice president ,Ed Welburn asked my boss Tom Peters to look an alternative to the design being done at our north building.Tom thought that the 69 is an icon all to itself.He thought the new design need to be an all fresh statement.Think about it.You can go out and buy a new repro shell and build a old new car.The new design had to be something fresh to todays proportions and a new design by its self.Try and look at the car with out thinking of the old.Ill bet ya Fords next Mustang wont be retro!!!!!
I have not seen the challenger.But from what people have told me its a very large and bulky car.The camaro is a much smaller and better proportion car.Isnt this what people like us have always wanted,a smaller bodied car with a big engine.Long live the pony car.

Chris

[FLYNLOW]

::sigh:: If only... :(

[srh3trinity]

Both of those are very cool.

[XcYZ]

Chris, you guys did an awesome job. When I first saw it, my gut reaction was that I liked it a lot but it didn't rock my world. However, now I find that the more l look at it the more I love it. It really is everything I had hoped for. It's aggressive, oozes testosterone, has many design cues from the 1st Gens, and looks like it's going 100mph sitting still.

The only part that concerns me is how it will look with realistic sized wheels, we all know it's not going to roll on 22's. I can see 18's or perhaps 19's like the C6, but I doubt the General will go with anything bigger.



On a side note, the Buick Enclave is fantastic. I'd definitely put the family in that!

[c.schulz]

Scott, Thank for the good words.The wheel size is always a tough one.When you have really no borders you look for the largest wheel you can apply to a design.For sure on a concept car.
The design was suposed to be done in 3 weeks,turned out to be 4.Some of the ideas could have spent more time under refinment.The original model had been working for months.I believe 9.Maybe less.
During our crash and burn month we kept a song playing on the radio in the basement.A song Groove Armada called "I see you baby" this became our theme song for the car.
Must say I had a blast during this project.Lots of stress.But the best part was the great team of people that I was able to work with.
Sang Yup
Steve K
Vlad S
Greg S
Steve K
Roman L
Brian N
Pam B
Jerry P
Andy C
Ray H
But most of all Tom Peters.What a fun man to work with.When he walked in the room the energy level rose 3 notches.He is very inspiring and appreciates the efforts made.

Oh and the Buick.......Aint it great!! I also could see my family in one of those. :thumbsup:

Chris

[clinthart]

Scott, Thank for the good words.The wheel size is always a tough one.When you have really no borders you look for the largest wheel you can apply to a design.For sure on a concept car.
The design was supposed to be done in 3 weeks,turned out to be 4.Some of the ideas could have spent more time under refinement.The original model had been working for months.I believe 9.Maybe less.
During our crash and burn month we kept a song playing on the radio in the basement.A song Groove Armada called "I see you baby" this became our theme song for the car.
Must say I had a blast during this project.Lots of stress.But the best part was the great team of people that I was able to work with.
Sang Yup Lee
Steve Kim
Vlad
Greg Stelmack
Steve Kozak
Roman Lys
Brian Neu
Pam Benningfield
Jerry Panetta
Andy Casmere
But most of all Tom Peters.What a fun man to work with.When he walked in the room the energy level rose 3 notches.He is very inspiring and appreciates the efforts made.

Oh and the Buick.......Aint it great!! I also could see my family in one of those. :thumbsup:

Chris


Do me a favor and buy those guys a beer for me. Just send me the bill and I will pay for it. What an awesome job you guys did. Really *standing ovation in progrss*. I have been saying on bulletin boards everywhere that GM needed to honor the legacy that was Camaro if they ever brought the car back, and IMHO you and your team did just that.

I have opened a savings account for my next new GM car, and I can't wait to see this in the showrooms. Give yourself a nice pat on the back and git-r-done!

:)

[TA219]

You have to add me to the list of people who love it!!

Since that song was played in the design room so much maybe i will burn it and put it in the CD player when I first drive off of the lot in my new Camaro

[Diognes56]

:hail:

I reckon a Baldwin-Motion 5th gen is in order. Anyone with me? :D Great time for the brand to be re-launched. I reckon I might even get to have a hand in that one.

Kris = Sneaky ;) .

Kris, we need more pics :drool: .

http://www.officialbaldwinmotion.com/support/new_camaro_fp.jpg

David

[Beegs]

Its a funny thing you should say that.The original model that was started at GMs Design north building was almost a very near copy of the 69.Charlie Lillard may remember for his car the MULE was used as an inspirational piece for the design model.

"Honey, can you get the cleaner for me?, I just puked all over my lap." :(

I think the concept is 70% +/- there. People mod, pro-tour, race, collect, enjoy 69 camaros for the same reason they don't mod, pro-tour, race, collect, enjoy pintos. (apology in advance to whomever just bolted 22s to your pinto)

69 body style flat out rocked! These forums clearly demonstrate that. That being said, I do believe the new Camaro should be a "fresh" statement of THE 69.

Major gripes with me: Take the beakiness out of the nose, PLEASE nice round headlights, from the most foward tip of the hood back to behind the rear wheels I think looks very right, :thumbsup: but the back end needs some serious tuning IE: shape and tailights.

Beegs

[CAMAROBOY69]

I will say the same thing here as I have said everywhere else about the new Camaro. I dont like it. I think if they would have designed it more retro like the 69 Camaro I would have loved it. I personally think a 2002 Ram air Trans am looks better. I would take the new Challenger over the new Camaro in a heart beat. :P

[trapin]

I think the overwhelming response to it has been positive. Wagoner mentioned that in his address to all the employees today. He specifically pointed to the Camaro concept as in indicator of the progress GM has made in historic design.

It will see production in the fall of '08. ;)

[rockdogz]

It will see production in the fall of '08

Tony, so it's official then?? That's awesome!! :willy: :eek: :thumbsup:

[61Bubbletop]

Not according to what I saw.....

[trapin]

Rockdogz...sorry about that. I was just throwing out a prediction. That's not factual.

[rockdogz]

Rockdogz...sorry about that. I was just throwing out a prediction. That's not factual.

Aww... Should be just a matter of time :yes:

[trapin]

My gut feeling is they will build it. The company needs "must have" cars and that is definitely a "must have" product. But like Lutz says...the numbers have to work.

They'll find a way.


.......I hope. :(

[G-Body]

Gotta say the hype is great be better if we acyually had a car here! and hopefully they dont fall into the mustang trap like them Ford has such a demand now you there not making them fast enough at least the GT's personally i'll take the Camaro anyday awesome car great looks love the quarter panels etc great looking ride

"Ill take mine Black with a nice big set of Billets" thanks you sold

[Derek69SS]

I hope they don't build it... I've promised myself I'd never have to make car payments, and I'm not sure I have the willpower to stop myself from signing on the dotted line :unibrow: