What's Up with Barrett Jackson Announcers

[ccracin]

I have been watching a bit of the Barrett Jackson from Las Vegas on Speed. Every time a Pro-Touring car goes across the block the announcers almost seem shocked when they fetch more money than a restored car. They also have no clue what is going on with this genre. One of them called a blue 67 Camaro definitely Pro Street. This is not a passing fad. These guys should do their homework and get a clue. Am I the only one thinking this? Ok, Rant over.

[tones2SS]

HA HA!! I picked up on that too. It's funny because living out here in MA, there are very few who know what "pro-touring" actually is as well.:_paranoid

[MarkM66]

The pro touring cars are way down. :thmbsdwn:

Not sure if there's to many custom/protouring cars here, economy or what. There are about 120 more cars this year then last, so maybe there aren't enough bidders to go around.

[coolwelder62]

Mark your car is awesome should have brought twice want it did.Scott:thumbsup:

[camcojb]

Mecum seems to do better than Barrett Jackson lately.

Jody

[camcojb]

I just gave my car away. They didn't show it on TV. 665.1 .

The pro touring cars are way down. :thmbsdwn:

Not sure if there's to many custom/protouring cars here, economy or what. There are about 120 more cars this year then last, so maybe there aren't enough bidders to go around.
sorry to hear that Mark, I love what you did with your car.......... :cheers:

Jody

[protour73]

.....and since when is a 1st gen Camaro Coupe, a "koo-pay", A Jaguar XK120 Drophead Coupe, YES ....... a Camaro? ummmmm, NO :rolleyes:

[awr68]

I just gave my car away. They didn't show it on TV. 665.1 .



Mark you build very nice cars! I'm suprised they didn't show it on TV....great stance and use of finishes! So with a little money in hand...what's next? It's been fun watching you go from the camaro to the nova and now the chevelle!

[CNDbowtie]

I just gave my car away. They didn't show it on TV. 665.1 .

The pro touring cars are way down. :thmbsdwn:

Not sure if there's to many custom/protouring cars here, economy or what. There are about 120 more cars this year then last, so maybe there aren't enough bidders to go around.

i just listened to Jackson being interviewed...he said both the auction and the consigner sit down and both give ballpark numbers of what both think it will sell for...then the seller has to agree that B-Js estimated hammer price would be acceptable....then when it comes across the block the auctioneer sees both prices of seller and estimated B-J prices on his computer..is that true? and if it is ...how much off where they from what Jackson thought it would hammer for...and not how much off what you thought it would go for?

[Van B]

Mecum seems to do better than Barrett Jackson lately.

Jody

At least with Mecum I can no sale it if I am not happy with the sale price without paying both buy and sell fees.

[BonzoHansen]

I just gave my car away. They didn't show it on TV. 665.1 .

The pro touring cars are way down. :thmbsdwn:

Not sure if there's to many custom/protouring cars here, economy or what. There are about 120 more cars this year then last, so maybe there aren't enough bidders to go around.

Sucks Mark. I DVR'd it and fast forwarded it through like 5 hours of coverage just to see it behind a shelby for 5 seconds. I was totally let down for you.

[GregWeld]

Welcome BACK to the days where you were lucky if you got 50% of what you spent building a car when it came time to sell.

You take out all the "buyers" that hawked their house equity to buy a shiny new toy... since those days are over... and there's just not that many people left to bid these prices up.

Great to be a buyer - not so great to be a seller (aka CELLAR).

Your car was killer Mark... it's not you -- it's the market.

[kochevy67]

I agree with the Mecum auction, at least you get to set the reserve and you can remove it if it bids high enough on the block. In my opinion BJ has ruined the auction business with there look at me attitude.

[cmraman]

I have been watching a bit of the Barrett Jackson from Las Vegas on Speed. Every time a Pro-Touring car goes across the block the announcers almost seem shocked when they fetch more money than a restored car. They also have no clue what is going on with this genre. One of them called a blue 67 Camaro definitely Pro Street. This is not a passing fad. These guys should do their homework and get a clue. Am I the only one thinking this? Ok, Rant over.

not to mention they don't know the difference between a resto-mod and Pro touring car. They also have been making many mistakes on just cars in general. They covered a 65 Olds 442 and everything they described about the car was completely wrong.

[James OLC]

I can't stand the commentating... sadly these guys seem to know nothing about American cars in general and after five years of muscle cars dominating they show they haven't made an effort to learn? And some of the things that they focus on???

You're looking at a Shelby GT500 Convertible and the remarkable thing you pick out is that they use Lucas fog lights?

[Ketzer]

I watch it with the volume turned down. I wish you could see the entire footage, get a look at cars that a regular Joe might dream for... or at least get a laugh at some of the stuff that goes through.


Jeff-

[MarkM66]

i just listened to Jackson being interviewed...he said both the auction and the consigner sit down and both give ballpark numbers of what both think it will sell for...then the seller has to agree that B-Js estimated hammer price would be acceptable....then when it comes across the block the auctioneer sees both prices of seller and estimated B-J prices on his computer..is that true? and if it is ...how much off where they from what Jackson thought it would hammer for...and not how much off what you thought it would go for?

They asked what I thought it would go for. But all that is totally irrelevant . It's what two people are willing to pay.

[MarkM66]

Thanks all. I'm not sure what I'll do next, probably a 1st gen Camaro.

[CNDbowtie]

anyone else surprised the 1.7 million dollar Bugatti Veyron only hammered for 700K? million dollar depreciation in 2 years!...now that sucks ass! then the big player who win the bid backs out and said it was a mistake he wasnt the high bidder...and Jackson himself bought it for the hammer price!

[GregWeld]

anyone else surprised the 1.7 million dollar Bugatti Veyron only hammered for 700K? million dollar depreciation in 2 years!...now that sucks ass! then the big player who win the bid backs out and said it was a mistake he wasnt the high bidder...and Jackson himself bought it for the hammer price!


Did you ever see the video of the Veyron going for a little swim? It's SUSPECTED that this is the same one....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NJmB1F2mdE

[Ron in SoCal]

Did you ever see the video of the Veyron going for a little swim? It's SUSPECTED that this is the same one....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NJmB1F2mdE

Funny you mention that Greg. During the auction of the car I noticed close ups of the grill and it looked like there were water spots on on the alum around the grill. I was thinking, that's no way to get mad money out of a Bugatti auction..!

[ProdigyCustoms]

There would have to be one hell of a disclaimer if that was the one that went swimming.

I have bought as drivers a few swimmers in my rebuuilding days. Fresh water, no worries, salt water, LOTS a worries.

[ironworks]

Did you ever see the video of the Veyron going for a little swim? It's SUSPECTED that this is the same one....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NJmB1F2mdE

Kenny Davis and I said the same thing Saturday afternoon during the auction. I also thought it was strange to have almost 12,000 miles on it. If a service is 100 grand and tires are 25,000 Who would really drive that car that much. 12,000 miles seemed like a lot of mileage for a 1.7 million dollar car. JMHO

[redfire69]

So do sellers have a way of buyer their car back if they don't like the price? It seems like a few cars have been though BJ several times in one year....

[MarkM66]

So do sellers have a way of buyer their car back if they don't like the price? It seems like a few cars have been though BJ several times in one year....

You'd pay 18% over hammer price, trans there and back, trip, etc. You better really want that car back.

[ironworks]

So do sellers have a way of buyer their car back if they don't like the price? It seems like a few cars have been though BJ several times in one year....

I think they go back across many times because BJ winds up owning the car due to various issues. Like Frank's Firebird

[MarkM66]

So do sellers have a way of buyer their car back if they don't like the price? It seems like a few cars have been though BJ several times in one year....

I noticed those re auctioned cars too. There was blue '67 Camaro that went after me. I spoke with the owner, he bought it last year in a "drunken stooper", got tired of it, and sold it this year. Kind of a difference in price.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=676&aid=303&pop=1

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=665.2&aid=383&pop=1

Not sure what the story was with these two re sells, but there also was a price difference.

Nice pro touring '69 Camaro.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=658.1&aid=323&pop=1

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=663&aid=383&pop=1

Cobra:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=687&aid=303&pop=1

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=665&aid=383&pop=1

[GregWeld]

There would have to be one hell of a disclaimer if that was the one that went swimming.

I have bought as drivers a few swimmers in my rebuuilding days. Fresh water, no worries, salt water, LOTS a worries.


The Bugatti crashed into a TEXAS LAKE.... so I would ASSume it's fresh water?

Even if the insurance company totaled the car - they sell the carcass to somebody... and a car like that is not going to just disappear.

There has to be good reason the bids were so low... my guess is the market "knew" something.

[redfire69]

I noticed those re auctioned cars too. There was blue '67 Camaro that went after me. I spoke with the owner, he bought it last year in a "drunken stooper", got tired of it, and sold it this year. Kind of a difference in price.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=676&aid=303&pop=1

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=665.2&aid=383&pop=1

Not sure what the story was with these two re sells, but there also was a price difference.

Nice pro touring '69 Camaro.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=658.1&aid=323&pop=1

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=663&aid=383&pop=1

Cobra:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=687&aid=303&pop=1

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=665&aid=383&pop=1

Yeah, the red 69 is the one I noticed this weekend. Also J2speed's camaro bob has been on the block several times over the last year or so...

[GregWeld]

Mark --

My big block 400hp 67 vette went thru BJ Scottsdale AFTER a body off restoration - 5 years after I sold it - for the same price (private sale) - and got the same exact dollars.... now subtract the body off resto - the fees - transportation - the cost of money.... :rofl:

There's a very long and sordid story that goes with this - but this ain't the "I sold my vette" thread.

[GregWeld]

Kenny Davis and I said the same thing Saturday afternoon during the auction. I also thought it was strange to have almost 12,000 miles on it. If a service is 100 grand and tires are 25,000 Who would really drive that car that much. 12,000 miles seemed like a lot of mileage for a 1.7 million dollar car. JMHO


Okay -- I'm not going to say this to be mean.... please don't take it that way.

99% of the people that are buying million dollar toys -- the cost of operation isn't really anything they think about or care about. It's all relative.

They just ain't the same as the rest of us.

[ironworks]

Okay -- I'm not going to say this to be mean.... please don't take it that way.

99% of the people that are buying million dollar toys -- the cost of operation isn't really anything they think about or care about. It's all relative.

They just ain't the same as the rest of us.

Oh I fully agree, But 12,000 miles just seemed like an awful lot. I think it is totally cool to see on driven that much, I know I would and there would dog hair and fast food trash on the floor if it was mine. But How many of those cars really get driven like that? The other Mercedes had what 900 miles?

[GHOSTDANCER]

Who ever invented the DVR deserves a cold one on me :cheers: It only takes about an hour and a half to fast forward through all the crap. Was pissed I did'nt get to see more of your Chevelle. Definitely perfer to watch Meccum.

[Josh69]

For whatever reason I usually don't get to spend much time watching the auctions. I had it on for a bit on Saturday, and I was astonished at how utterly clueless the announcers were. It was like the B squad for the local college football crew trying to cover Rugby. Unbelievable. For as big of a deal as they make it, they should have experts covering the show, period. Maybe they want to dumb it down for the pedestrians, but seriously, that's not who the show draws. IMHO.

[MarkM66]

I haven't watch the auction yet, but did anyone catch this? Was it televised?

http://automotive.speedtv.com/article/autos-breaking-veyron-buyer-backs-out/

[James OLC]

I haven't watch the auction yet, but did anyone catch this? Was it televised?

http://automotive.speedtv.com/article/autos-breaking-veyron-buyer-backs-out/

Yep

It was the feature car of the auction and the topic of discussion for the last 2 pages.

Pretty anti-climactic on TV

[MarkM66]

Yep

It was the feature car of the auction and the topic of discussion for the last 2 pages.

Pretty anti-climactic on TV

Gotcha, I'll have to watch it. I couldn't find a video of the buyer backing out part.

[MaxHarvard]

I've been fairly disillusioned about the whole BJ experience as of late.

I just get a really shady feeling about the whole operation. The co-owner guy, can't remember his name, the one who always wears sunglasses indoors, give me a bad feeling every time I see him. The auctions themselves I think have ruined a pretty good hobby.

The horror stories of fast gavel selling, the "promised air time" or "guaranteed 2-3 min. on the block time" fiasco, the free booze to get people "loosened up" to buy... everything about it just feels off.

I can't bring myself to watch the show anymore.

~Eric

[G-Body]

Even worse than the idiots calling the show is the idiots that think they will make money selling there cars there.,

People have countlessly lost there asssses there on there cars and people seem to just follow the hype and want to be apart of the experience more power to you i didnt build my car to give it away and thats what seems to be happening at these shows sad is what it is.

And your right they do call them alll wrong and i if i have to here resto rod once more or coupe pe' aswell im going to bitchhhh slap someone.

[buickfunnycar.com]

I almost spit red wine out my nose when Craig Jackson and Steve Davis starting talking about how ethical they were how "above board" they conducted their business...I was beside myself.:rofl:

[speedshftr]

on one video on youtube that shows the actual crash it says its a salt water lagoon.not really sure what that is.
amazing the guy that crashed the bugatti and its filmed.he was probably on the phone or texting.i felt sorry for the flatbed guy that had to hook the thing.at least he cared enough to clean his hands in a puddle before he turned the steering wheel.b/j is to scary for me.remember all the drama from the reggie jackson bidding on his copo or zl1/there is alot of good threads on yenko.net about b/j

[CNDbowtie]

anyone remember 2006 Scotsdale....


"Multi-Million Dollar Sales and Some Controversy at Barrett-Jackson"
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The ’54 Bonneville Special sold for $2.9 million last night, and believe it or not, that wasn’t the big news.

All eyes were on the bidder who supposedly bid $4.1 million for the GM Futurliner bus. Only he didn’t bid $4.1 million. After thinking about raising his bid for a moment, the bidder made a slicing motion across his neck and said “I’m out.” Only, the auctioneers took that as a bid. The second bidder immediately said he was out.

When the dust cleared, the paperwork for the bus was presented to the first bidder, who refused to sign it saying he clearly bailed out from the bidding process. Half of the auction staff was there trying to get the controversy sorted, and eventually, Craig Jackson and the bidder went to the Skybox to watch a replay of the “bid” which was being filmed by Speed.

By 10:00 or so last night, word was that Barrett-Jackson had accepted the fact that the bidder bailed out of the process. Management was trying to square a deal for the owners of the Futurliner late into the night

[rwhite692]

I've been fairly disillusioned about the whole BJ experience as of late.




Sorry but man, that's a quotable quote. :rofl:

[buickfunnycar.com]

Sorry but man, that's a quotable quote. :rofl:

LOL...has he considered the alternative?:wow:

[MaxHarvard]

Sorry but man, that's a quotable quote. :rofl:

LOL...has he considered the alternative?:wow:

LOL, just noticed that as well.

Err... let's just say that I'm willing to keep all my options open :unibrow: ;)

[ProdigyCustoms]

Oh I fully agree, But 12,000 miles just seemed like an awful lot. I think it is totally cool to see on driven that much, I know I would and there would dog hair and fast food trash on the floor if it was mine. But How many of those cars really get driven like that? The other Mercedes had what 900 miles?

Interesting subject. My painter Andrew, my adopted 4th son, graduated police academy this summer. So we pull into the auditorium at the college graduation and what is parked right at my front bumper between a little sedan and a sport utility? A Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport Sang Bleu, Bleu (not Blue) carbon fiber and polished aluminum. Just sitting in the parking lot like every other car there! I could not believe it. On the way out it was raining good and the skys were full of lightening and and threats of hail. Lisa snapped of a shot, if you look close you will see a wet line around it.

Through further investigation I find out from a friend that knows the owner. it is a daily driver driven from Sanford to New Smyrna, about 60 miles each way of country road, everyday!

I thought I had seen it when we were in Festival of Speed last year. I dug around and found some more info on the car and a pic from Festival of speed.

Must be nice. But like you Rodger, I would have it no other way.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/DSC04827.jpg

The Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport Sang Bleu has ventured into new areas. Instead of applying two paint colors or paint and material to highlight the two tone design, the Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport Sang Bleu exclusively concentrates on materials – carbon fiber and aluminum – an innovative combination never realized before. This unique approach opens a new dimension of « Art – Form – Technique », the company’s core values.

The color combination is blue carbon fiber with polished aluminum. The visual carbon fiber is tinted in royal blue to emphasize the refined volumes and surfaces of the Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport. The rear air scoops are tinted in the same night-blue – offering a dramatic view from above – and thus fluidly integrate into the overall design philosophy of this unique model.

The Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport Sang Bleu is the latest in a line of centenary Bugatti models which have won worldwide acclaim in 2009. This unique car stands – like the others – for the commitment of the Bugatti of today to carry the values and the philosophy of Ettore Bugatti, the founder of this unique marque, into a successful future.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/Veyron.jpg

[MarkM66]

Even worse than the idiots calling the show is the idiots that think they will make money selling there cars there.,

People have countlessly lost there asssses there on there cars and people seem to just follow the hype and want to be apart of the experience more power to you i didnt build my car to give it away and thats what seems to be happening at these shows sad is what it is.

And your right they do call them alll wrong and i if i have to here resto rod once more or coupe pe' aswell im going to bitchhhh slap someone.

So, I'm an idiot? Okay Mr. Outdated pro street man. :rolleyes:

If you think people haven't made money selling their cars there, you have no ideal. Keep quiet because you're clueless.

[buickfunnycar.com]

From the Monterey Historics @ Laguna in August,I thought the Blue SS model was unveiled this year @ Pebble:
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p3/topfueljohn/DSC01371.jpg

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p3/topfueljohn/DSC01370.jpg

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p3/topfueljohn/DSC01369.jpg

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p3/topfueljohn/DSC01368.jpg

[GregWeld]

So, I'm an idiot? Okay Mr. Outdated pro street man. :rolleyes:

If you think people haven't made money selling their cars there, you have no ideal. Keep quiet because you're clueless.

I agree with Mark.

I have two buddies that are in the business -- they'll take 30 + cars to BJ Scottsdale -- and they'll make a killing on some of 'em -- do okay on a few -- and lose on a couple more. Overall.... they do just fine. Their costs of transportation are lowered by taking entire truckloads - one pickup point - one drop off point. They know how to detail to the max - and they know how to pimp to the max. They'll spend months in advance getting the word out on what they're bringing. Beating the drums and getting the marketing done. They don't start that on the day of the show.

Here's the BIG BUTT in the room -- since they're big time customers and know what they're doing - they have prime time #'s - and they have cars that are bought to sell... and bring top dollar. They don't do 'weird' and one off. They do DESIRABLE - MARKETABLE - MAINSTREAM.

The guys that loose - are the single car sellers - non prime time - and they only have one car to apply all their costs too... That's hard to make money on for anyone.

[rwhite692]

Exactly, well said GW

[JKnight]

Even worse than the idiots calling the show is the idiots that think they will make money selling there cars there.,

People have countlessly lost there asssses there on there cars and people seem to just follow the hype and want to be apart of the experience more power to you i didnt build my car to give it away and thats what seems to be happening at these shows sad is what it is.

And your right they do call them alll wrong and i if i have to here resto rod once more or coupe pe' aswell im going to bitchhhh slap someone.

Yeah...uhh...some people actually do make money selling their cars there, but it's not 90% of people like it was 6-7 years ago. Also, it's a pretty bad generalization that if you lose money on auctioning a car that you're now an idiot. It really boils down to you win some, you lose some.

Mark, your car is badass and I'm sorry you didn't get your number. I'm sure it was worth every penny you were hoping for.

[MarkM66]

I agree with Mark.

I have two buddies that are in the business -- they'll take 30 + cars to BJ Scottsdale -- and they'll make a killing on some of 'em -- do okay on a few -- and lose on a couple more. Overall.... they do just fine. Their costs of transportation are lowered by taking entire truckloads - one pickup point - one drop off point. They know how to detail to the max - and they know how to pimp to the max. They'll spend months in advance getting the word out on what they're bringing. Beating the drums and getting the marketing done. They don't start that on the day of the show.

Here's the BIG BUTT in the room -- since they're big time customers and know what they're doing - they have prime time #'s - and they have cars that are bought to sell... and bring top dollar. They don't do 'weird' and one off. They do DESIRABLE - MARKETABLE - MAINSTREAM.

The guys that loose - are the single car sellers - non prime time - and they only have one car to apply all their costs too... That's hard to make money on for anyone.

Right. Just about consigner I spoke to had been to a BJ auction before, and they all had more then one car there. The auction had about 120 more cars there this year then last. So the "idiots" are multiplying. :_paranoid

[Tom.A]

Mark,

I am sorry you did not get your number.....but you got guts :thumbsup: I mean it must have had less than a 1000 miles on it?
Your car was awesome and while the number is low I would still guess you came out better than others because you did most of the work yourself.
I look forward to your next build.

[MarkM66]

Mark,

I am sorry you did not get your number.....but you got guts :thumbsup: I mean it must have had less than a 1000 miles on it?
Your car was awesome and while the number is low I would still guess you came out better than others because you did most of the work yourself.
I look forward to your next build.

Thanks. Probably about 10 miles :wow: . I don't like taking a car to a show, so it sat until the auction. I'd say about 10 people saw the car in person, before the auction.

Yeah, I didn't really loose on it, I made, but I was hoping for more. I have no labor cost in the car, and I don't really count my time because it's just something I do because I can, I enjoy it, and it beats watching TV. Getting magazine coverage helps when it comes time to buy parts too, ;) .

[ProdigyCustoms]

Some people do make money.

I just got a market report from my friend Anthony that ran EmptyNest and II Much last year. He takes multiple cars to auctions, especially Barrett Scottsdale and Vegas. It was his stroke which got us the killer run numbers for our cars. He said overall things were strong this year and said he saw your car Mark and thought it went $15K to $20K light.

He made mad stacks though. He took a early C1 Vette, he bought for $60K, had $64K in it at the door at Vegas, it broke the bank and he got $125K. Also had a Mid Vette, had $32K in it at the door at Vegas, got $57K, and a Ferrari made $6K on a $30K car. And he made a nice $5K commission running a friends car. So money is made. He also bought 2 cars which I think he stole one of them, we will see how good he did come Mecum Orlando

On the other side of the coin, his friends (dealers) took a GTO convertible they had $125K in and it brought $57K. So the pendulum swings both ways.

[E.rodz]

been there done that . I to fell for the barret jackson hype. also fell for sun. is still primetime .a very expensive trip to pay for and get your azz kicked.should have taking my money and betting I could put a piece of coal up my but before the auction and turned it into a diamond. prob. would have had better luck. was kinda cool to spend the week there to see behind the scenes as for the auction goes they really need to step up to the plate and know what in front of them and take care of the people that are feeding there greed!got my 1.5 min of enjoyment in the spotlight and then stood back and asked myself what just happened.oh yea and me to have been disillusioned by the bj. experienced. lol.

[speedshftr]

not the car that went into the water
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=298789