Any Pro-Touring Camaros out there that can beat this?

[Jack Maurer]

http://contour.com/node/108280

[James OLC]

at least mine makes noise...

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and no... they are not the same track

[Jack Maurer]

Mid Ohio has to be a great track to run at; obviously you are an excellent driver; car sounds great....did you turn up the volume on my video?

[SLO_Z28]

lots!
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[Jack Maurer]

You would have to prove it to me that pro-touring camaro can run a 1.53.531at Sears Point.

[Boxer]

at least mine makes noise...

xBnJcFrtvV0

and no... they are not the same track

Just me or was that alot of understeer James?

[tones2SS]

http://contour.com/node/108280

What car is on the video?

[Vegas69]

Mustang with an import wing. :rofl:

[Steve1968LS2]

You would have to prove it to me that pro-touring camaro can run a 1.53.531at Sears Point.

And?

Meaning how are we supposed to have an opinion one way or another if we don't know the car?

I could show a nose cam from an F1 car and wonder if you can beat that.. so without more info I'm not catching the point of the post.

But I will say the video is pretty badass to watch :)

[Stuart Adams]

You would have to prove it to me that pro-touring camaro can run a 1.53.531at Sears Point.

What's the point.

[SLO_Z28]

I only got to drive Infineon once and it was in a street car. Did 2:12, so I appreciate the lap time, but i'd put money down that cars like the penny are capable of minute 40's.

[Track Junky]

1:53 at Infineon, no prob, let me know the next time you go out, I will meet you there.

[Josh69]

What are we even watching? It sounds like a turbo import.

[Steve1968LS2]

Oh hell Jack.. I must be getting old timers disease.. I thought the name sounded familiar.. lol

How's the Camaro comming along?

Jacks a good guy.. has a bad ass PT '69 Camaro being built.. but his post still has me going :boggled: lol

For Camaro Performers readers I wrote about his project a few months ago.. They call it Charlie Ass.. :D

[skatinjay27]

im guessing the main point of the thread was just to show us a fun fast video of one of his runs...he just picked the wrong context to add to it.:lol:

[clill]

I only got to drive Infineon once and it was in a street car. Did 2:12, so I appreciate the lap time, but i'd put money down that cars like the penny are capable of minute 40's.
Penny won't run minute 40's at that track.

Jacks car is a 2007 Mustang with Keene Bell supercharger and Jack drives the wheels off it.
I managed a 2:01 on 6 or 7 cylinders in the vintage Shelby race...Finished the race but it appears the cam is wiped out.

Jacks car is the white Mustang behind the black one.

[Track Junky]

I ran a 1:56 at Infineon in 2006 but I am now 200 lbs lighter with 125 more hp and have had some suspension mods that has gained me 3 seconds at Buttonwillow and 6 seconds at Thunderhill. Haven't tested at Infineon yet but I imagine I should be able to get a 1:53 or better.

[Vegas69]

I have my money on Gaetano.

[Jack Maurer]

Mustang with an import wing. :rofl:

Wing is mad by G Stream and has great down force numbers

[Jack Maurer]

I ran a 1:56 at Infineon in 2006 but I am now 200 lbs lighter with 125 more hp and have had some suspension mods that has gained me 3 seconds at Buttonwillow and 6 seconds at Thunderhill. Haven't tested at Infineon yet but I imagine I should be able to get a 1:53 or better.

Sounds like you can do 1:53 with no problems; sign up for an event and we will have a great Mustang / Camaro Challenge

[Jack Maurer]

Penny won't run minute 40's at that track.

Jacks car is a 2007 Mustang with Keene Bell supercharger and Jack drives the wheels off it.
I managed a 2:01 on 6 or 7 cylinders in the vintage Shelby race...Finished the race but it appears the cam is wiped out.

Jacks car is the white Mustang behind the black one.

There is a more in the car, but the driver is pretty much at his limit

[Jack Maurer]

There is a more in the car, but the driver is pretty much at his limit

http://contour.com/node/79337

[Jack Maurer]

And?

Meaning how are we supposed to have an opinion one way or another if we don't know the car?

I could show a nose cam from an F1 car and wonder if you can beat that.. so without more info I'm not catching the point of the post.

But I will say the video is pretty badass to watch :)

Hey, I am an equal opportunity car guy. Thought I would create a lively discussion with the Mustang versus Camaro debate. In fact, I building a pro-touring 69 Camaro inspired by Charlie Lillard and Mark Steilow. I will be introducing the car in the near future.

[Track Junky]

Sounds like you can do 1:53 with no problems; sign up for an event and we will have a great Mustang / Camaro Challenge

Sounds like fun. I did notice your line was wrong coming out of 7 and going through the s turns. Those are late apex turns. Also coming out of the s's right before turn 9 it looked like you could have pushed through a little faster, something I learned my last time there in 2006 that helped me gain a better time.

If budget and weather allow, I should be there with NASA running time trials October 9th and 10th.

If you are interested, a bunch of us from the Pro-Touring site will be at Buttonwillow Sept. 25th with Speed Ventures. Place "Pro-Touring.com" in the comments box when registering and you will save the $20 towards timing and transponder rental.

[tones2SS]

Hey, I am an equal opportunity car guy. Thought I would create a lively discussion with the Mustang versus Camaro debate. In fact, I building a pro-touring 69 Camaro inspired by Charlie Lillard and Mark Steilow. I will be introducing the car in the near future.

Very cool. Will you be posting the car on here? I would like to see it.
Thanks!:thumbsup:

[Jack Maurer]

Sounds like fun. I did notice your line was wrong coming out of 7 and going through the s turns. Those are late apex turns. Also coming out of the s's right before turn 9 it looked like you could have pushed through a little faster, something I learned my last time there in 2006 that helped me gain a better time.

If budget and weather allow, I should be there with NASA running time trials October 9th and 10th.

If you are interested, a bunch of us from the Pro-Touring site will be at Buttonwillow Sept. 25th with Speed Ventures. Place "Pro-Touring.com" in the comments box when registering and you will save the $20 towards timing and transponder rental.

You are correct, I have a hard time pushing out of 8a thru turn 9; however, not sure I share you opinion on on coming out of turn 7. Come out to the Nor Cal event at Thunderhill in mid October and show me your line. Can't make the Buttonwillow event, but will be at Laguna Sept 18th and 19th.

[Track Junky]

You are correct, I have a hard time pushing out of 8a thru turn 9; however, not sure I share you opinion on on coming out of turn 7. Come out to the Nor Cal event at Thunderhill in mid October and show me your line. Can't make the Buttonwillow event, but will be at Laguna Sept 18th and 19th.


Hmm....my guess is that will be during the week as are alot of NorCal events. What the hell, I need another NorCal hat anyways. See you there.

[Jack Maurer]

Hmm....my guess is that will be during the week as are alot of NorCal events. What the hell, I need another NorCal hat anyways. See you there.

Here is the link to the website for registration
http://norcal-saac.org/index.htm

The Shelby Club welcomes everyone; makes for a great event. The NorCal group is very well organized and they put on a fun event. I am sure Charlie Lillard will be at the Fall Classic, but you never know what he will bring from his stable of cars. Look to see you there.

[Track Junky]

Oh, Shelby Club, glad you posted the link, Thought you meant NCRC. $270 is over my budget for a track day, but since you have all that extra money why not show up at one of my events. You can have a track day, buy me lunch and still be money ahead, LOL. Just kidding.

With all the exrta work and changes to car this year, budget has been limited to two trips to any one track this year just to see lap time change with each suspension change.

I will post my time for Buttonwillow Sept 25th and will be my final track day down there until I hear of someone with a PT car beating my time on the 13 cw configuration.

My last two track days this year will be at Infineon in Oct. and Nov. One day for test and tune, second day to re-test new tune and post time.

Only reason I am considering Thunderhill a third time, last time out only got 2 sessions in due to cracked spark plug that we didn't find till I got home.
I ran a 2:08 there 1st session on a cold track, 2:10 second session due to being stuck in traffic.

Keep me posted on your times.

[Jack Maurer]

I agree NCRC gives you a lot of bang for the buck compared to NorCal Shelby; what are the October dates for the NCRC event? My best lap time in April of this year was a 2:05.62; sounds like we should have some fun on the track.

I have only run one weekend at Buttonwillow; not my most favorite track, but sure is a lot closer to home in So. Cal.

[Track Junky]

I would have to re-check NCRC's schedule but I think somewhere around October 18th. 2:05 is a good time, depending on what tires you are running. I'm running R 888's and should be able to get 2:05, but if I step up to Hoosiers I'd be shooting for 1:59's.

[Jack Maurer]

NCRC is Friday, October 22nd. NorCal is the weekend of Oct 16th and 17th. I can't do both events; catch you next time.

I am running Hoosier R6's; a 1:59 would be a very very good time

[Track Junky]

Slowest track time buy's lunch :unibrow: See ya soon.

[68protouring454]

hoosier r6's will not give you 6 seconds over the r888s on the same car, same track. If you know the track real good, you may see 2 seconds max. i have a few thousand laps on r888s and about the same on r6's
going from r6 to full slick you will see another 2 second gain at most, unless your still learning track.
jake

[Track Junky]

I have heard that Hoosiers are typically about 3 sec's faster than R888,s. Siko2SS ran R888's and the Hoosiers at Thunderhill running his T1 vette, the Toyo's got him 2:08's the Hoosiers 1:59's. We will see.

[Jack Maurer]

Lunch?...slowest time should buy dinner. All we need now is more of the Camaro guys to show up....same deal for all.

I agree, doubt if you or anyone will pickup 6 seconds just going from Toyo's to Hoosiers.

[Track Junky]

LOL, I like your competitive nature.

I've been to Thunderhill twice this year and its been about 4 years before that. I'm not just counting on the tires alone, my line lacks in a few areas. My goal is 1:59, and I know my car has it in her. I think my next time out on Hoosiers should get me around 2:02's.

Win or lose, this is my kind of fun. Look forward to my steak and lobster dinner, LOL.:thumbsup:

[Jack Maurer]

Good chance Charlie will show up with Jackass and maybe Steve with Bad Penny....maybe both will be buying us dinner.

not sure you saw this video....this is 153.4 lap

http://contour.com/node/108424

[clill]

LOL...On October 16th me and Jackass will be at the Playboy Mansion.:unibrow: http://musclecarsatthemansion.com/

[Track Junky]

Unbelievable......:drool:

[Jack Maurer]

Take lots of pictures Charlie.......of all the nice rides.

[Neil B]

Just for the sake of comparison, last time I checked, the track record for a CMC car (3rd/4th Gen Camaro or Fox Mustang) was 1:55 for the long course at Sears. That's with 230 rwhp and a stock suspension with a set of springs and Koni yellows. A-Sedan cars run high-1:40's to low 1:50's. The Vintage T/A cars ran high-1:50's several years back. Sears is a finesse track and it's all about the driver.

So is a PT car with 600hp, C5 geometry and Penske shocks technically capable of low 50's/high 40's? Sure. Will it actually run that? Depends on the driver, but I seriously doubt it.

The reality is that anything sub-2 minutes is flying at that track.

[Track Junky]

Back in 2006 I ran a 1:56 and have stock subframe, conventional 700 lb front springs, Global West rear leafs and control arms, Toyo RA-1's, 3400 lb car at 400/400 to the rear wheels.

I am now 200 lbs lighter with 125 more hosepower at crank(haven't chassis dyno'ed yet) with a few more adjusments(not changes) to the suspension.

I am scheduled for Infineon Oct. 9th and 10th. I will post times then.

[Jack Maurer]

I take it we are all talking about the track configuration using the carousel...correct? We all love horsepower...the more the better, but if your car does is not setup for optimum handling, all the horsepower won't help. I have seen many low horsepower/well handling, purpose built, track cars blow by high horsepower muscle cars.
The full DSE setup on a first gen Camaro makes it a very nice well handling street and occasional track car, but is well short of the setup that is ideal for the track. Just to be clear, I think highly of all the DSE products and have just about everything they sell on my 69 Camaro project. Charlie's Jackass Camaro, built buy Steilow with 700 plus HP is no match for my Mustang with 523 hp at the rear wheels....and Charlie is a very good wheel man. The difference is my Mustang is a purpose built track car and Jackass is about the best Pro-Touring Camaro on the planet. Conclusion, I don't see any Pro-Touring Camaro getting into the 1:40's at Sears Point....except Stielow's ride, but he is in another league of his own.

[Track Junky]

I agree, horsepower is nice, but IMO it boils down to weight and tires. Either way, I've been waiting for Jack Ass and Bad Penny to show up at one of these events and post times. I honestly dont think their trick suspension set ups are any better than my leaf spring set up.

It would be cool to have an event where all are running the same tire and find out, and I'm not talking about dodging cones.

[Jack Maurer]

I agree, horsepower is nice, but IMO it boils down to weight and tires. Either way, I've been waiting for Jack Ass and Bad Penny to show up at one of these events and post times. I honestly dont think their trick suspension set ups are any better than my leaf spring set up.

It would be cool to have an event where all are running the same tire and find out, and I'm not talking about dodging cones.

I have looked at a few pics of your car and honestly think the car is not setup to run the times you expect. Sits to high and has too much body roll, but maybe you have made a lot of changes since these pics. My experience is you need to have a car that can hold 1.5 g's plus in order to negoitate turn that will result in low 1:50's times. In addition, a leaf spring setup compared to a coil over car with Watts linkage and torque arm will limit your braking and handling ability....and yes I agree the DSC quadra link setup might not be much better than a good leaf spring setup. Bottomline, it will come down to who can post the best lap times.

[clill]

You guys are all nuts...It is mainly the driver. Jackass is a great Pro-Touring car. It is not a purpose built track car. The Thrasher had Landrum leaf springs and Stielow front spindles and could probably hang with about any fancy car here. It is still mainly the driver. I am a hobby driver. I have been thinking I am going fast only to see two Miata's in my rear view mirror. I would certainly expect you guys with track only cars that you have dialed in could run better times than my Pro-Touring car that I use for Power Tour, Cruises etc and occasionally take on the track. I will never be winning races in Jackass because I don't track it enough to ever get really dialed in. I have other track cars and the big problem I have found is I never get settled into one car. They all drive differently and you have to re learn each time. I'm not the fastest but I am having fun.

[zbugger]

LOL...On October 16th me and Jackass will be at the Playboy Mansion.:unibrow: http://musclecarsatthemansion.com/

I can meet you on the way down. You can sneak me in by hiding me in the trunk. I'll be good. I swear!!!

[Vegas69]

Bottom line, 1st gen camaros make slow race cars. There, I said it.:unibrow:

[Track Junky]

I have looked at a few pics of your car and honestly think the car is not setup to run the times you expect. Sits to high and has too much body roll, but maybe you have made a lot of changes since these pics. My experience is you need to have a car that can hold 1.5 g's plus in order to negoitate turn that will result in low 1:50's times. In addition, a leaf spring setup compared to a coil over car with Watts linkage and torque arm will limit your braking and handling ability....and yes I agree the DSC quadra link setup might not be much better than a good leaf spring setup. Bottomline, it will come down to who can post the best lap times.

LMAO, roll? I've seen 1.3 g's with the R888's. I have pictures posted on this site from Thunderhill showing how flat she is in the corners with no tire squeal at all. She handles like she's on rails. 1.5 g's with Hoosiers is a certainty. Every time the guys at Dream Speed Motors say they are going to make more improvements my response is I dont see how you can make it better.

[Track Junky]

Bottom line, 1st gen camaros make slow race cars. There, I said it.:unibrow:

What a shame, and you Todd of all people, way to represent.

[camcojb]

What a shame, and you Todd of all people, way to represent.
pretty sure Todd was kidding............. ;)

[Vegas69]

I'm simply saying there are better ways to go fast for alot less money. If this hobby was all about speed, we'd all be driving shifter carts or an all wheel drive car with perfect balance. I will say they are much better suited for road racing than autocross.

[JKnight]

Doug could do it :rofl:

[Track Junky]

I understand that there are ways to go fast for alot less, I also understand that guys build our cars so that they drive on the street the way that cars of today do. Then you got guys like me that try and bring it one step higher to prove we can keep up with todays F bodies on the road course.

We love our cars and should be backing up all the hard work we, the manufacturers, and shops like Dream Speed, Jakes, Prodigy, etc, put into making our cars kick ass.

[Track Junky]

Keep in mind, Jack posted a 2:05 best in April at Thunderhill on Hoosiers with aprrox. 50 more rear wheel H.P.

I ran only one good session (due to cracking a spark plug)my second time to the track in 4 years and ran a 2:08 the first run of the morning on a cold track and on Toyo's.

[clill]

I guess a good example of the difference between a track car and a nice Pro-Touring car that sees some track use is one of us gets invited to the Playboy Mansion.:D I might not be the fastest but somehow the compromise seems worth it..:unibrow:

[Jack Maurer]

That precisely why I am building a pro-touring car so I have fun like Charlie and maybe someday get invited to the Playboy Mansion

[Track Junky]

When I retire and get old like you guys, all I need is a little interior work on my car and I will have a pretty car just like yours, LOL:rofl:

[clill]

Maybe when I retire I will get fast like you young guys...Oh wait, Jack isn't retired either.. We're just old...

[Jack Maurer]

Getting old sure beats the alternative.

[Track Junky]

Just kidding guy's, whats life without a little smack talk, cheers:cheers:

[Track Junky]

I believe this is turn 10 at Thunderhill, if your going to get any roll out of any turn, this would be one of them. See much roll here?


http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Thunderhill%208-11-10/_OP_3911-1-1-1.jpg

[Vince@Meanstreets]

yeah, maybe a bit up front....:faint:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I'm simply saying there are better ways to go fast for alot less money. If this hobby was all about speed, we'd all be driving shifter carts or

or Honda S2000's. :fire: LOL

[Vince@Meanstreets]

LOL...On October 16th me and Jackass will be at the Playboy Mansion.:unibrow: http://musclecarsatthemansion.com/

I can meet you on the way down. You can sneak me in by hiding me in the trunk. I'll be good. I swear!!!

Zbugger here volunteers when you get back to wipe all the cheek marks off of your fenders..with his face.

[Track Junky]

yeah, maybe a bit up front....:faint:

Then why the hell are we going to a softer spring :mad:

[Jack Maurer]

Looks great in turn 10; don't see much body roll; a lot better than previous pics....you are making me a believer that your Camaro can run the number....but I pretty sure I got you covered.....proof will be in the lap times....see ya

[Track Junky]

Yeah, see ya(in my rear view mirror):thumbsup: Just kiddin, should be a close one,

Cheers :cheers:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Then why the hell are we going to a softer spring :mad:

so we can actually use the rest of your suspension for tuning....carpochondriac

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Looks great in turn 10; don't see much body roll; a lot better than previous pics....you are making me a believer that your Camaro can run the number....but I pretty sure I got you covered.....proof will be in the lap times....see ya can't wait to see that Race horse in person Jack! :bow:

[clill]

Here is my in car camera of the vintage race at the Shelby meet. Lost 3 cam lobes but did finish..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOheumjjd6o

[Jack Maurer]

Very cool Charlie...and great driving. Looks like you were having a fun time picking off cars. See you and your Dale Earnhart car at Laguna.

[Track Junky]

Nice vid Charlie, lookin forward to meeting you sometime. BTW, sweet Mustang.

[ChrisRZ28]

Just for the sake of comparison, last time I checked, the track record for a CMC car (3rd/4th Gen Camaro or Fox Mustang) was 1:55 for the long course at Sears. That's with 230 rwhp and a stock suspension with a set of springs and Koni yellows. A-Sedan cars run high-1:40's to low 1:50's. The Vintage T/A cars ran high-1:50's several years back. Sears is a finesse track and it's all about the driver.

So is a PT car with 600hp, C5 geometry and Penske shocks technically capable of low 50's/high 40's? Sure. Will it actually run that? Depends on the driver, but I seriously doubt it.

The reality is that anything sub-2 minutes is flying at that track.

I think AIX track record is 1:45xxx? Badass Griggs Mustang with a detuned nascar engine...so I've heard. Over on Frrax, Randy MacIntosh has a ITE 4th Gen Camaro. He's changed it over the years and now has a LS based engine making 6 to 700 HP I think. Not sure on weight but being a gutted 4th Gen. race car around 3000 pounds maybe? He said he was running high 1:40s (best times ever) and was being easy on the brakes and easy off the corners. Said he had more left in it and was being careful with the new set-up. I've seen both these cars run and can't imagine PT cars running low 1:50s. Might have to come out and watch.

[Jack Maurer]

Chris, the Griggs car your referred too in your post that set a lap record at 1:45 is featured in the attached video. The car is an 04 Mustang driven by Darell Anderson. The Blue, #45 08 Mustang, also a Griggs car runs 1:49. The red mustang is running an LS motor....enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsbQk2wnQ2M

[Track Junky]

In NASA Time Trials at Infineon James Safrones holds the record in a '93 Porche GT3 at 1:42. Andy Sutak is second at 1:46 in a 2004 Mustang Cobra.

When I ran Time Trials with John Anderson (he had a 65 Mustang) in 2006 we ran 1:56's and I beleive he nailed a 1:55 once or twice. He was running Hoosiers and I was on Toyo's.

If you take into account that I am 200 lbs lighter now and have 125 more h.p. I dont think 1:52's are out of the question.

[ChrisRZ28]

Yes Jack, thats the car. Very cool! Never have seen that blue 45 Mustang before. Maybe I have and didn't know it. Doesn't really attract attention, but very fast indeed. I think I've seen pictures of the red mustang on Corner-Carvers? Is the owner a former employee at Griggs? Track Junky, in that link from Jack there is a companion video of the blue 45 Mustang (?) thats chasing a red Porsche. In the begining theres a shot of a red 69 Camaro is that you? Is your car a DD or gutted track car? Whats been done to it? Excellent job to all you guys pulling off those quick times. A couple of years ago I had my '01 Z28 out at Sears doing HPDE 1. I had a blast. At the time the only thing I had done to my car was wheels/tires and sway bars. I've got more stuff done now but its just not in the budget to go out and waste tires and gas 4 or 5 times a year. What sucks is I only live about a half hour from Sears so its always tempting...but then I suddenly remember I'm married and that the wifey just doesn't understand.:rolleyes:

[Jack Maurer]

Yes, the guy in the blue '08 Mustang is an ex Griggs employee; below is a link to his business, Cortex Racing, plus a number of additional videos.

http://www.cortexracing.com/

[Track Junky]

Chris, that video was a good one, probably one of the best I've seen. The red '69 camaro isn't me but I sure would like to know who it is. As far as my car goes, if I had a dash pad and carpet it would look just like any other PT car asside from the 6 point cage. Suspension is all Global West, front clip and engine block are aluminum and I have the car down to 3050 lbs. It puts out 615 hp and 560 torque to the crank. All this work was done about 6 months ago and I have been testing and tuning since. Since June I've been to Thunderhill twice and Buttonwillow twice improving my times with tuning and changes each time. My next track day wil be Sept 25th at Buttonwillow and there are a bunch of the Pro touring guys that are going. We will be running the 13 cw configuration and my goal is 2:10 lap times. From there I go to Infineon to tune. I beleive the 9th and 10th of October and then November 25th and 26th. My wife has been understanding so far but she is telling me I am spending to much money so Infineon may be a tough one unless I land another build, addition or remodel.

[ChrisRZ28]

Jack, thanks for the link. That early Mustang is something else! And that late model Mustang ain't to shabby either! Track Junky, sounds like a really nice Camaro. Good luck with it! Back in the late 80s/early 90s I was a crew member on dirt and pavement cars. The pavement car was a Southwest Tour style late model with about 600/650 hp. The dirt car had a small block 406 w/ 1150 Dominator running alcohol. If I remember right it was making around 700/750 hp. We'd run it in the shop before each race to make sure everything was ok. It didn't take long for the shop to fill up with fumes so thick your eyes would water and you couldn't breathe...the good ol' days! I say this because nowadays there is street cars running around with as much power (and more) then our race cars did back then. Amazing! Right now is the golden age of cars.:thumbsup:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

good stuff, Heres a great shot from your earlier Infinion trip.






do you have any in car videos Gaetano?

[Track Junky]

Nothing worth posting, still haven't figured out my Go Pro skips forward every two seconds. We need to get some help with in car video for up coming Buttonwillow event.

[Jack Maurer]

Just by stance alone, it looks fast

[James OLC]

Nothing worth posting, still haven't figured out my Go Pro skips forward every two seconds. We need to get some help with in car video for up coming Buttonwillow event.

That could be a codex issue. I had that happening with one of my HD GoPro's and it was resolved during editing.

[Track Junky]

Just by stance alone, it looks fast

Yeah, Bob Owen's, when we were at Infineon he managed to pull off a 1:53. That car is stated to be 2800 lbs and close to 700 h.p.. Sure the car had alot more in her.

[Track Junky]

That could be a codex issue. I had that happening with one of my HD GoPro's and it was resolved during editing.


codex?