Jack Rousch injured in landing accident at Oshkosh

[Musclerodz]

This was copied from Avwebs online newspaper

NASCAR team owner and veteran pilot and aircraft collector Jack Roush, 68, is in serious but stable condition after his Beechcraft Premier pancaked on the airport and slid across the grass at Wittman Regional Airport. His passenger Brenda Strickland, 61, was also taken to hospital with non-life threatening injuries. EAA is calling it a "landing accident" but a pilot who witnessed the accident said it appeared Roush was initiating an aborted landing when a wing dropped and the aircraft hit the ground. The NTSB is leading the investigation.



Winds were a little gusty at the time of the incident. The impact caught the attention of those still on the grounds at AirVenture as a loud bang reverberated through the grounds. The crash occurred as the aircraft was attempting to land on Runway 18. More details as they become available.

[XcYZ]

Ouch.

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[Vegas69]

2 strikes....one more and...

[thedugan]

So glad he is okay. He is lucky to walk away. Amazing guy. Glad it wasnt the P51 he crashed...



and

I heard Brad Keslowski's plane bump drafted him on the runway. He thought Carl Edwards was flying the plane...

[Stuart Adams]

That had to be qiute a smackdown. Is he still the pilot?

[71RS/SS396]

The cat in the hat only has 7 more lives left. Seriously I'm glad he's ok

[Musclerodz]

That had to be qiute a smackdown. Is he still the pilot?yes, he was flying. based upon what i am reading they had him lined up behind a much slower aircraft than what his jet would safely fly, and stalled it. I am sure there will be some type of investigation into who was at fault, but at 30 second intervals, that is too close. I am suprised he was not flying one of his P-51 Mustangs to the show.

[Revved]

Glad he is OK! The man likes to cheat death.

[Jon69RagTop]

Can you believe the live coverage? Very graphic!

[GregWeld]

yes, he was flying. based upon what i am reading they had him lined up behind a much slower aircraft than what his jet would safely fly, and stalled it. I am sure there will be some type of investigation into who was at fault, but at 30 second intervals, that is too close. I am suprised he was not flying one of his P-51 Mustangs to the show.

This is always a conversation we have when boating --- you must be the captain of your vessel at all times - REGARDLESS of what the right of way states etc... because you can be right - but be dead right. If I'm in the locks and the lock master is telling me to do something I don't want to do I ignore him and do what's right for the boat. I'm running my boat - period. 25 tons and no brakes... and limited maneuverability even with twins... but it's my job and the safety of all falls on MY shoulders.

Not sure how that relates to flying - since he may or may not be made aware of who's in front of him - or the spacing etc... I'm just saying that if something isn't right - or you don't feel it's right - then you have to do whatever you have to do to stay safe.

[awr68]

Greg, that makes me wonder why he didn't pull up and say ''screw it .....it aint worth trying to land this thing in the given situation''! Of course I have no idea what really happened....just hear-say at the moment. But if he was coming in a little hot or if there was clearly not enough room to land....I know I sure as hell wouldn't force it!! I guess we will all find out once the investigation is finished.

Good to hear all survived!

[MattG]

That is exactly how it applied to aviation.

I've been an airline pilot for over 17 years, and that last thing you ever do is stop flying the airplane reguardless of what any ATC guys tells you to do.

I have seen this through out my whole career...rich guy buys an airplane beyond his skills and thinks he can go fly it every now and then and be safe.

Guys at his level don't like to be told they suck at flying airplanes and they think they can handle anything just cause they can afford it. More often than people know, the result is death...he is one Extremely Lucky SOB!

I hope he is O.K., but he hopefully has learned a huge lesson.

My 2 cents,

Matt

[GregWeld]

A rule I always tell people when they ask about boating etc.

"Never approach anything faster than you are willing to hit it...."


:rofl: :rofl:

[Josh69]

A rule I always tell people when they ask about boating etc.

"Never approach anything faster than you are willing to hit it...."


:rofl: :rofl:

+1!

That's twice for old Jack. Maybe time to hire a pilot this go 'round?

[68protouring454]

guys, flying is tough. things happen.
my grandfather was a f-86a pilot in the 50's/60's. then went on to fly for northeast and delta for 35 years(flying 757/767's as he retired). He has crashed small planes twice, both during his career as a professional pilot. Things happen. Hes almost 80 and still amazing to fly with, whether its on floats or land, i have no problem flying with him.
jack is a good pilot, with a few accidents, how do we know he didnt do a good job of handling the situation?
back in the 60's he would come and do fly bys of there camp on long lake in maine, my dad said it was amazing at about 50 ft off the water 200-300 mph
i live in the mountains and we are in a low fly zone for the air guard and its awesome seeing f-16s at 1000 ft let alone 50

[Josh69]

guys, flying is tough. things happen.
my grandfather was a f-86a pilot in the 50's/60's. then went on to fly for northeast and delta for 35 years(flying 757/767's as he retired). He has crashed small planes twice, both during his career as a professional pilot. Things happen. Hes almost 80 and still amazing to fly with, whether its on floats or land, i have no problem flying with him.
jack is a good pilot, with a few accidents, how do we know he didnt do a good job of handling the situation?
back in the 60's he would come and do fly bys of there camp on long lake in maine, my dad said it was amazing at about 50 ft off the water 200-300 mph
i live in the mountains and we are in a low fly zone for the air guard and its awesome seeing f-16s at 1000 ft

Most pilots that crash planes, not once, but twice, aren't considered good pilots...they are usually considered DOA. Just sayin!

[Musclerodz]

This is always a conversation we have when boating --- you must be the captain of your vessel at all times - REGARDLESS of what the right of way states etc... because you can be right - but be dead right. If I'm in the locks and the lock master is telling me to do something I don't want to do I ignore him and do what's right for the boat. I'm running my boat - period. 25 tons and no brakes... and limited maneuverability even with twins... but it's my job and the safety of all falls on MY shoulders.

Not sure how that relates to flying - since he may or may not be made aware of who's in front of him - or the spacing etc... I'm just saying that if something isn't right - or you don't feel it's right - then you have to do whatever you have to do to stay safe.relationship is exactly the same. the issue was he was too slow for whatever reason causing him to stall which lead to the accident

[Musclerodz]

A rule I always tell people when they ask about boating etc.

"Never approach anything faster than you are willing to hit it...."


:rofl: :rofl::rofl: I love it!

[Musclerodz]

Most pilots that crash planes, not once, but twice, aren't considered good pilots...they are usually considered DOA. Just sayin!That is not true. Too many variables or circumstances. So I am guessing if you wrecked your car twice your a bad driver as well?

[ja.stoner63]

I'm happy he is ok.

Hey when your dropping like a rock and can control to a degree that you walk away...that is a great pilot.

my .02

[68protouring454]

Most pilots that crash planes, not once, but twice, aren't considered good pilots...they are usually considered DOA. Just sayin!


just like mike said, too many things from wind shear, to mechanical/eletrical failures which dont make you a bad pilot. an airplane is one huge mechanical/electrical system so there are failures.
there is no one i would rather be in the air with, other then him. i have flown on commercial planes with him down to his aeronca sedan, or cessna 206 on floats, to his 40's seabea.

[Josh69]

That is not true. Too many variables or circumstances. So I am guessing if you wrecked your car twice your a bad driver as well?

I would say, yes, you are a bad driver...or in-attentive, in-experienced, whatever the case may be.

I expect race drivers to crash. If my neighbor balls up two station wagons running errands...I think the entire world would assume the guy can't drive. I also expect test pilots and stunt pilots to crash. I don't expect to crash when I'm flying a routine flight. There is a difference between being good and being lucky...sometimes it's a very fine line. But crashing two planes....maybe lucky...maybe just not good.

I'm glad he's OK. I just think it's a stretch to have a few of you claiming he's a great, or even good, pilot. He's just wrecked his 2nd aircraft. He's lucky to be alive. I wouldn't sign up to fly anywhere with the guy...if you want to, be my guest.

[Josh69]

just like mike said, too many things from wind shear, to mechanical/eletrical failures which dont make you a bad pilot. an airplane is one huge mechanical/electrical system so there are failures.
there is no one i would rather be in the air with, other then him. i have flown on commercial planes with him down to his aeronca sedan, or cessna 206 on floats, to his 40's seabea.

Maybe he needs to do a better job with his pre-flight inspection and maintenance if you are stating that it was a mechanical failure. I grasp that...I build cars as a hobby, much like the rest of us here. I know stuff breaks, and bad things happen.

I just see a guy like Jack with alot of money to play with....crashing two planes. Makes you wonder if he's in over his head. Just considering the (likely) possibility...

[mfain]

Sounds like he got slow trying to build spacing on a slow mover landing ahead of him, did a series of "slow speed" s-turns to increase the spacing (which significantly decreases the stall margin), and either stalled or developed a sink rate that caused him to drag a wingtip. The NTSB will publish a report, but it could take a year. Having been to Oshkosh several times (once in an F-15), I have seen some pretty hairy traffic patterns trying to get a bunch of aircraft with widely varied approach/landing speeds on the ground in a very short period of time -- lots of accidents over the years. I hope Mr. Roush comes out of this okay.

The following synopsis pretty much confirms the earlier videos that were on u-tube (they were quickly removed for "copy right" issues)

Roush Premier I in Oshkosh Landing Accident
At about 6:15 p.m. on Tuesday, a Hawker Beechcraft Premier I piloted by Jack Roush crashed at Wittman Regional Airport in Oshkosh, Wis., on the second day of the annual EAA AirVenture show. The Premier was flying from Ypisilanti, Mich., to Oshkosh. A witness told AIN that the Premier “approached very tight to the runway” and overshot, then was “doing sharp turns” and was flying very slowly at a low altitude above Wittman’s Runway 18. The witness said there was a piston-powered Piper landing in front of the Premier. The Premier was observed about 200 feet above the runway banking from side to side by AIN just before it disappeared behind buildings and parked airplanes. The witness said that the Premier’s right wingtip hit the ground first, spinning the airplane rapidly around to the left. After the Premier stopped, the engines were still running at a high power setting. Roush was observed exiting the crumpled jet with blood pouring down his face. The passenger on board appeared to be uninjured, but they were both taken to the hospital, where Roush was reported in serious but stable condition (no change to this status at press time). After the accident, the Premier’s fuselage could be seen broken apart just forward of the engine pylons. The cockpit and cabin appeared intact. The wreckage was moved to a maintenance hangar at the airport and the runway reopened yesterday morning. “A number of people have come forward with photos and video,” said an EAA spokesman. The NTSB is investigating.

[Musclerodz]

I would say, yes, you are a bad driver...or in-attentive, in-experienced, whatever the case may be.

I expect race drivers to crash. If my neighbor balls up two station wagons running errands...I think the entire world would assume the guy can't drive. I also expect test pilots and stunt pilots to crash. I don't expect to crash when I'm flying a routine flight. There is a difference between being good and being lucky...sometimes it's a very fine line. But crashing two planes....maybe lucky...maybe just not good.

I'm glad he's OK. I just think it's a stretch to have a few of you claiming he's a great, or even good, pilot. He's just wrecked his 2nd aircraft. He's lucky to be alive. I wouldn't sign up to fly anywhere with the guy...if you want to, be my guest.That is a generalized statement about his or anyone's abilities without knowing the full facts of the situation. I never claimed he was a great pilot, don't know him personally to make that claim. I do know that jet is a cakewalk fly to either of his P-51 Mustangs. As a pilot for nearly 20 years, I know sh$t can happen, and accidents happen. I have been in 3 forced landings, 2 were internal engine problems and one was a bad load of gas, everything was fine all 3 times when preflight check was done. Does that make me a bad pilot for circumstances beyond my control? I don't expect to crash on any flight, don't plan to, but I prepare for the possibilty.

[68protouring454]

what i am stating is, until the ntsb comes out with a report, you or i dont know what happened, i never said he was a good or great pilot.
I am sure you have never crashed a car, or crashed a motorcycle or bicycle.
no matter what you do, if you do enough of it, there will be accidents.
But i forgot, because he has money, when he has an accident he's a moron.

[Musclerodz]

Sounds like he got slow trying to build spacing on a slow mover landing ahead of him, did a series of "slow speed" s-turns to increase the spacing (which significantly decreases the stall margin), and either stalled or developed a sink rate that caused him to drag a wingtip. The NTSB will publish a report, but it could take a year. Having been to Oshkosh several times (once in an F-15), I have seen some pretty hairy traffic patterns trying to get a bunch of aircraft with widely varied approach/landing speeds on the ground in a very short period of time -- lots of accidents over the years. I hope Mr. Roush comes out of this okay.

The following synopsis pretty much confirms the earlier videos that were on u-tube (they were quickly removed for "copy right" issues)

Roush Premier I in Oshkosh Landing Accident
At about 6:15 p.m. on Tuesday, a Hawker Beechcraft Premier I piloted by Jack Roush crashed at Wittman Regional Airport in Oshkosh, Wis., on the second day of the annual EAA AirVenture show. The Premier was flying from Ypisilanti, Mich., to Oshkosh. A witness told AIN that the Premier “approached very tight to the runway” and overshot, then was “doing sharp turns” and was flying very slowly at a low altitude above Wittman’s Runway 18. The witness said there was a piston-powered Piper landing in front of the Premier. The Premier was observed about 200 feet above the runway banking from side to side by AIN just before it disappeared behind buildings and parked airplanes. The witness said that the Premier’s right wingtip hit the ground first, spinning the airplane rapidly around to the left. After the Premier stopped, the engines were still running at a high power setting. Roush was observed exiting the crumpled jet with blood pouring down his face. The passenger on board appeared to be uninjured, but they were both taken to the hospital, where Roush was reported in serious but stable condition (no change to this status at press time). After the accident, the Premier’s fuselage could be seen broken apart just forward of the engine pylons. The cockpit and cabin appeared intact. The wreckage was moved to a maintenance hangar at the airport and the runway reopened yesterday morning. “A number of people have come forward with photos and video,” said an EAA spokesman. The NTSB is investigating.

If you have never been to Oshkosh, flight patterns are a regular 3 ring circus during certain times of the day, usually worst when everyone is coming in first of the week and leaving end of the week. They are landing planes in very short intervals, using 2 or more at a time telling some to land long, others to land short. The airport tower should have never put Jack in line behind a much slower aircraft, Jack did what he could to maintain the interval it sounds like, but it was just too slow to maintain flight and stalled. He should have realized much sooner how slow the traffic was and got out of line, but depending on where traffic was in the air around him, he may not have been able to go anywhere even if he was able to abort the landing sucessfully.

[RECOVERY ROOM]

This is always a conversation we have when boating --- you must be the captain of your vessel at all times - REGARDLESS of what the right of way states etc... because you can be right - but be dead right. If I'm in the locks and the lock master is telling me to do something I don't want to do I ignore him and do what's right for the boat. I'm running my boat - period. 25 tons and no brakes... and limited maneuverability even with twins... but it's my job and the safety of all falls on MY shoulders.

Not sure how that relates to flying - since he may or may not be made aware of who's in front of him - or the spacing etc... I'm just saying that if something isn't right - or you don't feel it's right - then you have to do whatever you have to do to stay safe.

What kinda boat you got there, :unibrow:

[RECOVERY ROOM]

I'm happy he is ok.

Hey when your dropping like a rock and can control to a degree that you walk away...that is a great pilot.

my .02

Good point

[Josh69]

what i am stating is, until the ntsb comes out with a report, you or i dont know what happened, i never said he was a good or great pilot.
I am sure you have never crashed a car, or crashed a motorcycle or bicycle.
no matter what you do, if you do enough of it, there will be accidents.
But i forgot, because he has money, when he has an accident he's a moron.

We are all making assumptions and generalizations, that much is obvious. Who said anything about him being a moron?

Truth is I never have crashed. But this isn't about me.

It sounds like Roush did an admirable job of saving the plane in a bad situation that was either out of his control or beyond his experience. He should be commended for coming out of it as well as he did. But, I can guarantee you his insurer is asking the same questions.

[96z28ss]

What kinda boat you got there, :unibrow:

He had a really big boat. Or is it called a ship at that point?

[GregWeld]

What kinda boat you got there, :unibrow:

Don't want to be a thread jacker.... but here's a small glimpse...


47' Grand Banks Motoryacht - dragging a 18' Grady White... I should ADD that I sold it 4 years ago when the kids started college and the use went to zero.


http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Boat%20trip/Turkeyday034.jpg

[RECOVERY ROOM]

We will have to start calling you "Skipper" :lol:

[Josh69]

We will have to start calling you "Skipper" :lol:

I'll be Gilligan!!:captain:

[GregWeld]

I'll be Gilligan!!:captain:



Here's YOUR boat Gilligan....... :rofl: :rofl:


http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Boat%20trip/OldKnotime012.jpg

[Spiffav8]

That is exactly how it applied to aviation.

I've been an airline pilot for over 17 years, and that last thing you ever do is stop flying the airplane reguardless of what any ATC guys tells you to do.

I have seen this through out my whole career...rich guy buys an airplane beyond his skills and thinks he can go fly it every now and then and be safe.

Guys at his level don't like to be told they suck at flying airplanes and they think they can handle anything just cause they can afford it. More often than people know, the result is death...he is one Extremely Lucky SOB!

I hope he is O.K., but he hopefully has learned a huge lesson.

My 2 cents,

Matt

I too have seen what Matt is talking about.....way to much. It's a sad truth that has cost many their life.

The bottom line here is that Jack made a bad decision and used poor judgment. It could have killed him, his passenger and countless others on the ground. There is no excuse for an accident like this. None. His pilots license and medical should be revoked.

[Josh69]

Here's YOUR boat Gilligan....... :rofl: :rofl:


http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Boat%20trip/OldKnotime012.jpg

Hey, I'll take that center console! Lots of room to stand around, drink some beers, and come up with stupid ideas....my specialty!:cheers:

I'll tie the canoe behind it, I'll have a dinghy for my dinghy!

[XcYZ]

Just some follow up...


NASCAR team owner Jack Roush was back at the racetrack Friday, having permanently lost vision in his left eye but otherwise feeling lucky to survive yet another plane crash. And yes, he expects to fly again. Roush, who crashed his jet just over two weeks ago while trying to land at an air show in Wisconsin, said he ruptured his left eyeball in the crash and doesn't expect to ever be able to see out of it again. "Everything will come back, except for the eye," he told reporters at Michigan International Speedway. Roush then joked that he uses his right eye to examine spark plugs anyway. Wearing sunglasses and his trademark Panama-style hat, Roush was present on pit road for qualifying. He had left the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., earlier this week. In addition to his eye injury, Roush said he broke his jaw, sustained a compression fracture in his back and hurt his left cheek.


and...



The National Transportation Safety Board issued its preliminary report on Jack Roush's plane crash that happened last month at Oshkosh, Wis. The report does not assign blame for the incident but does provide a few more details of what happened. In the report, it states that Roush's "airplane appeared to overshoot the runway centerline during this turn (a left turn for the runway) and then level its wings momentarily before entering a slight right bank simultaneously as the nose of the airplane pitched up. The airplane then turned left toward the runway centerline and began a descent. During this descent, the airplane's pitch appeared to increase until the airplane entered a right bank and struck the grass area west of the runway in a nose down, right wing low attitude.'' The report -- remember this is a preliminary report, a final one will come later -- did not mention the traffic "conflict'' he encountered upon landing that he said contributed to the incident. Such details are likely to be examined in the final report.

The preliminary report stated that air traffic controllers were interviewed, amateur video was reviewed, the NTSB spent two days examining the plane before giving it back to Roush and found "no preimpact malfunctions or anomalies'' in the on-scene inspections of the "airframe structure, flight control systems, or two turbo-fan engines.'' The report also states that "several non-volatile memory devices were removed from the airplane and were retained for future download. A cockpit voice recorder was recovered and shipped to the NTSB Vehicle Recorder Division in Washington, D.C. for readout."

[GregWeld]

Interesting -- and gee.... a "slightly different" version from what he described...

On first read - it's pilot error... even though I know it's preliminary.

[Spiffav8]

Interesting -- and gee.... a "slightly different" version from what he described...

On first read - it's pilot error... even though I know it's preliminary.

It's pilot error...or Triple PT. Piss Poor Pilot Technique.

[GregWeld]

It's pilot error...or Triple PT. Piss Poor Pilot Technique.

I like that one!

It's like when we're playing golf with someone that could use some practice.... we tell them that they have a lot of LOFT....

Lack Of F'n Talent