1969 Z-06

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

How about a 69' with a complete 2008 Z-06 running gear and suspension? How about a full crome moly chassie? I being building on it for a little over a year and it's almost done. I'm not much for posting and posting pics so bear with me and i'll do the best I can Thank's Bob

[awr68]

Sounds real good.....now for those pics! :yes:

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

I'll try some pics

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

more pics

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

The car I started with was a nice virgin sheet metal car and saved alot of time. I bot a complete drive train and the wheel base is within 1 in. of a stock camaro so the tork tube did'nt have to be modified. The tracking width is wider so it had to be narrowed and new rear axles had to be made.

[XcYZ]

Now that's awesome. How much did you have to narrow it up?

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

If I remember it was like 3 and a half on front and 5 on rear. I used the stock Z-06 wheels and they have alot of offset I don't think you could ever get it in far enough to put a conv. style wheel Thank's Bob

[Track Junky]

I new there had to be someone out there doing this. What about the transverse leafs? How did you narrow them?

[waynieZ]

Thats an awesome project. I can't wait to see this one done.

[T_Raven]

Way cool build.

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

did'nt use factory springs or the cradles front and rear. I've seen them narrowed,split in the middle and rewelded,just does'nt look good. I put coil overs on all 4 corners Bob

[bonecrrusher]

Go with the Pfadt coilovers all the way around.... that'll get rid of the spring all the way around.

[68RS350]

QA1 Just came out with a coil over kit for the C5/C6. I am doing the same thing you are doing but in a 68 camaro. Did you lengthen your torque at all?

[Rybar]

Nice build Bob. :thumbsup:

[bonecrrusher]

QA1 Just came out with a coil over kit for the C5/C6. I am doing the same thing you are doing but in a 68 camaro. Did you lengthen your torque at all?

While I dont want to knock QA1's quality - but Pfadt has been designing and selling coilvers for the Vettes for years, and at 1800 bucks, you can't complain about the price. Everyone that I know that has them, loves them.

Just my 2 cents.

[awr68]

Real nice Bob! Thanks for the pics!! :thumbsup:

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

c-6 vette is 107" and a camaro is108" move the motor back a half and trans forward a half and you have the same. I cut back into the fire wall 4 inch's and kept all the same locating points as a stock c-6

[wellis77]

Very cool build. I'm doing something similar but with Viper components on a 69 Dart, less the V10 (too much weight and lack of balance). Where did you pick up your shortened axles? Are they new or did you have the stocks shortened? Thanks.

[Tiger]

ohh I like this build!

subscribed.

[deuce_454]

While I dont want to knock QA1's quality - but Pfadt has been designing and selling coilvers for the Vettes for years, and at 1800 bucks, you can't complain about the price. Everyone that I know that has them, loves them.

Just my 2 cents.

if you won't then i will! its a nice piece for a street rod... but its not a performance shock. the valving is ..... suboptimal.. and the adjustment is simple bypass orifrice (so thet change damping with temperature).. and they dont return to the same setting .. and 4 clicks on one shock doesnt equal 4 clicks on another...

but they look spiffy and are cheap

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

Mark Williams made the axles. The stock ones were .060 to small to respline. a little pricie because they had not done any yet. Something else pretty cool, the peddals out of a c-6 brake,clutch and gas fit pretty nicely in a first gen.without much mods and moves the corvette booster over 3 inchs for more motor clearence

[Gandalf]

Awesome project Bob! In hindsight of everything I've modded on my '69, your approach may end up being less work LOL! But seriously, it's great to hear how everything is fitting and what needs modification. You'll have the best of both worlds IMHO. Among the advantages you get to run the ABS, stock drysump, brakes plus no messing with new transmission etc.

Will you be running the stock BCM and instruments? Doing a custom harness or will you be able to adapt the stock one?

I'll be watching to see how you get on tackling the cooling and intake with the front of the '69.

So many questions.....

By the way - you are doing a great job of updates and pics - keep 'em coming Bob!

G.

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

I've taken the stock corvette complete wiring and spent MANY hours weeding the unneeded wires. I'm using the ABS,traction control,heated seats,power seats out of the corvette,keyless start,power door locks with electric door latches,and the corvette guages with digital display. I'ts taken me 3 months to wire it and now i'm cross eyed. Bob

[Cris@JCG]

I like what you are doing here Bob! Can't wait to see this project done..

[1969x11]

The car I started with was a nice virgin sheet metal car and saved alot of time. I bot a complete drive train and the wheel base is within 1 in. of a stock camaro so the tork tube did'nt have to be modified. The tracking width is wider so it had to be narrowed and new rear axles had to be made.

You gonna run the ZO6 wheels? or are you gonna be able to run a wheel with some lip?? I loved the twin turbo car .I thought it would have been over the top if you would have narrowed the C4 rear :thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

WOW!! Nice work.This is going to be a real nice car.I think the Qa1's will work fine unless you want too go after Mark Stielow , Brain Finich,or Kyle Tucker in all competition.Some of the folks think it has to be over the top to be a good product.

[d touring]

Hey Bobby
Good to see ya here, car is looking killer i got to get over an see it.
Sorry i missed the twisted kilt the other night had a emeg. come up an could not make it.
Steve said you guys had a good time.
We will have to catch up next month when we all get together again.
Thanks

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

I like the Z0-6 wheels I have a set of 08 crome and a set of 10 silver and i like the silve one's the best. GM spent alot of money on sus.

geomentry and I put all the same mounting points as a stock vette. As far as shocks go I used the Phafts on all corners

And yes David, we had a good time told lots of storys and lies. That place is just like a Hooters except diff. Attire. Seeya next time, Bobby

[417 Motorsports]

WOW THIS THINGS COOOOOOOL!!! :thumbsup:


If this is a street car be sure to keep an eye on all that moly...... its brittle and will crack under extended street use. ;)

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

A couple more pics. I'm about done with it so i'm jumping back and forth

[one_low_sixty8]

what is your ride height? do you have any side profile pictures?

[nvr2fst]

Looking really good Bob. The wiring alone looks like it was a huge task in itself.

[tones2SS]

Looking good Bob!
Keep us posted.:thumbsup:

[Rybar]

I was just thinking, is this is going to be the first completed 1st gen Camaro built with this concept? I know Ironworks has a couple in the shop.

At any rate, fantastic build there Bob. :thumbsup:

[Teetoe_Jones]

I was just thinking, is this is going to be the first completed 1st gen Camaro built with this concept? I know Ironworks has a couple in the shop.

At any rate, fantastic build there Bob. :thumbsup:

Nope. It's at least the 3rd that I know of that are done and on the road; regardless it's impossible to build a C5/C6 into a 1st gen. (Or so people have been telling me for a decade.)

Looks great Bob. How did those inner fenders work out?

Tyler

[ja.stoner63]

Man, this will be a nice car. Thanks for the pictures & updates.

[Jr]

Nope. It's at least the 3rd that I know of that are done and on the road; regardless it's impossible to build a C5/C6 into a 1st gen. (Or so people have been telling me for a decade.)

Looks great Bob. How did those inner fenders work out?

Tyler

Tyler,

Can you supply any info about the cars that are already on the road?

[Jr]

Real Bob,

Do you have any side profile pics of the car with that corvette rim and tire?

[Teetoe_Jones]

Tyler,

Can you supply any info about the cars that are already on the road?

The first one I knew of was a guy named Gary Guthrie. His car went into Wayne Due's shop just after my 50/50 car and actually went all the way through into final assembly and has run on the track. It's yellow and Red.

http://i26.tinypic.com/ip2zdg.jpg


The 2nd one I know of is a Blue car built by Lingenfelter.
Info here:
http://www.lingenfelter.com/vehicles/featured/kustom-creations-lingenfelter-powered-1968-camaro-rs06


Once Bob is done with this red 69 he will be #3 of the transaxle 1st gens to hit the road.

Tyler

[ArisESQ]

The first one I knew of was a guy named Gary Guthrie. His car went into Wayne Due's shop just after my 50/50 car and actually went all the way through into final assembly and has run on the track. It's yellow and Red.

http://i26.tinypic.com/ip2zdg.jpg


The 2nd one I know of is a Blue car built by Lingenfelter.
Info here:
http://www.lingenfelter.com/vehicles/featured/kustom-creations-lingenfelter-powered-1968-camaro-rs06


Once Bob is done with this red 69 he will be #3 of the transaxle 1st gens to hit the road.

Tyler

It'll probably be the best looking to date too :yes:

[nvr2fst]

Isnt the Baldwin Motion super car one also? And I believe Rodger Burman had one 2yrs ago at Columbus. It would be nice to know how many camaro's on the road have this set up. There are at least four at lat g I know of;
Bobs, Mine, Some guy in Canada I think and one in Illinois that was in the for sale section on lat G with the modified Max G chassis (user name noodles)

[ironworks]

There is way more then 4.
Lingenfelter
50/50
the one from behind bars.
Real Bob Johnson
Dave's 69 camaro
There have been a few come up on Ebay that sit like monster trucks.


If you look outside the Camaro there are a lot more.
Neil Lea 55
G-force Cuda
C6-57
Russell's truck
Johns 66
Doug's nova from Wayne Due
Foose has an Impala going on right now
Jay Leno Toronado
Eric's 62 nova vert
Darrell's Top Secret 67
The West Coast Custom Chevelle
There are a ton more, muscle cars and street rods

I have lengthened the torque tube on quite a few other projects and get a lot of phone calls from guys looking for advice on what we have done with the drivetrain.

[nvr2fst]

21st Centry Street Machines also had a rear c5 rear set up but not sure what cars got the install. Payton might know. Either way, camaro or others theres still only a hand full C5/C6. (another one just got added to the lat g for sale list) I can see that list being much greater if you add in the C4, Heidts, etc to the mix.

Anyway, back to Bobs thread- Great car Bob! Cant wait to see this one on the road.

[SLO 65]

Street shop chassis works has built at least one old Corvette with the C5/C6 transaxle.

http://www.streetshopinc.com/project_gallery_c5c6_c2017.html

Nick

[Revved]

Great Looking Project Real Bob!


Then there are the guys at Neuman Car Creations. They specialize in late model Corvette running gear in early model bodies. I've got a client with a 64 and a 65. One is blown LS2 powered and the other has a 572 GM crate engine. I belive they make their own frames, bolt on the Vette Running gear, your choice of engines, and the drop on the Early model body. (Makes it sound easy doesn't it? :lol:)

Ironically the guy's name is Paul Neuman (no relation to the actor.)

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

I'll get it out side and get some side pics. I'ts been in upolestry shop prision getting interior done. I'm not big on street rod type interior so it's pretty stock. I used stock rear seat back and cut the center out bigger for the trans axle and the bottom half in two pieces and covered them with black leather with red /black houndstooth ,it's bad as,front seats c-6 vette covered the same way Heated and power with memory.

[bonecrrusher]

Does the C5 chassis swap into a Civic count?

LOL...

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/conversions-hybrids/730443-newbie-ls1-but-not-your-typical-car.html

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

Rear seat pic.

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

CnC'd emblems made like a stock one

[fleetus macmullitz]

CnC'd emblems made like a stock one

You're keepin' it real...Real. :cool:

[DFRESH]

CnC'd emblems made like a stock one

That is so cool---love details like this--it looks like Chevy made it---very cool man.

Doug

[waynieZ]

I love the car and the emblem is sweet.

[strtcar]

Awesome build.

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

Completed chassie

[waynieZ]

Awesome!

[tones2SS]

Very nice! Looking good.:thumbsup:

[buickfunnycar.com]

Bitching...!:unibrow:

[ssinister]

Is there a reason why you used rear upper control arms on the front? I also noticed in one of your pictures you actually had the front uppers in the back.

I might be wrong if they changed the front upper control arms between the c5 and c6.

[soundqdoug]

What color red is it painted?

[Stuart Adams]

Cool project. Looking forward to seeing it done.

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

The control arms are correct. I cut the tee bar out and made teflon bushings. The colr is Ford candy apple red code T on a early ford. Thank's Bob

[ssinister]

oh ok, thats where I was confused. I didn't see the t-bar in the upper control arms. I can see now that they aren't rears. great project

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

Been working on the doors. I've used the latches and all the electronics out of the corvette power door locks and power doors. The electric latches in a vette are in the door post not the door and the latch is on the door so I had to modify latches to install in door.If you're familer with a C-6 theres a safety,non-elec, handle in the floor to manualy open the door so I used the stock inside door handle for that and installed the elec. button in the door panel and the outside handle pushes a elec. switch and electricaly opens the door like a corvette.Also has heated and power seats from the Z0-6 and the memory controls are also in the door panel. Bob

[nvr2fst]

Been working on the doors. I've used the latches and all the electronics out of the corvette power door locks and power doors. The electric latches in a vette are in the door post not the door and the latch is on the door so I had to modify latches to install in door.If you're familer with a C-6 theres a safety,non-elec, handle in the floor to manualy open the door so I used the stock inside door handle for that and installed the elec. button in the door panel and the outside handle pushes a elec. switch and electricaly opens the door like a corvette.Also has heated and power seats from the Z0-6 and the memory controls are also in the door panel. Bob

Great Idea Bob, I see your making use of every component you can from the donor car:thumbsup:

[Gandalf]

Stunning work Bob and awesome combination of the two vehicles! Keep 'em coming!

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

Try'ed to get a decent pic on the ground but to much junk in the way

[nvr2fst]

KILLER car Bob!

[Rybar]

That does look killer, nice work Bob. :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

Looks very nice Bob!:thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Bob,

Great to see this being done.:thumbsup:

Curious on what made you go this route...did you have any performance goals in mind?

For example, did you set out to try and exceed the handling capabilities of the best front and rear 1st gen chassis/suspension setups on the market right now?

Or was it more 'this should work well...time to prove it' ?

[69x22]

Nice! Your old car made me change the route I am going with mine.

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

GM spent millions of dollars on corvette suspensions over past time and they are proven street and track. My black car was a little to much. It had c-4 front and rear sus.with air bags Big block with turbos and was a little to much. It drove fine,handled pretty good but a little nose heavy. My new red car, I've tried to duplicate all the factory control points for the control arms other than moving them in to fit under the car because a vette tracks wider. Anybody can buy a bunch of bolt ons but I guess I like doing it the hard way.The motor I have now is a LS-7 with a cam and headers and once I'm done with everying else I will put a supercharger on. I would like to be done for GG @ boling green and charlotte. Thank's Bob

[bonecrrusher]

This car going to GG in Charlotte?? I wouldn't mind stopping by checking it out. :thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Thanks for the explanation Bob.

Glad you like doing things the hard way...it makes this project way more interesting. :D

Look forward to reading what your driving impressions of it are.

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

Not only does it have the sus, I'm using the ABS and traction control so it should be pretty cool

[fleetus macmullitz]

Not only does it have the sus, I'm using the ABS and traction control so it should be pretty cool

What, no air bags and crumple zones? ;)

[wellis77]

GM spent millions of dollars on corvette suspensions over past time and they are proven street and track. My black car was a little to much. It had c-4 front and rear sus.with air bags Big block with turbos and was a little to much. It drove fine,handled pretty good but a little nose heavy. My new red car, I've tried to duplicate all the factory control points for the control arms other than moving them in to fit under the car because a vette tracks wider. Anybody can buy a bunch of bolt ons but I guess I like doing it the hard way.The motor I have now is a LS-7 with a cam and headers and once I'm done with everying else I will put a supercharger on. I would like to be done for GG @ boling green and charlotte. Thank's Bob

I hear you Bob which is why I'm doing much the same with Viper suspension on my Dodge Dart. Opted NOT to go with the Viper V10 because of weight distribution. Your build is awesome and I'm looking forward to seeing the end result.

[Noodles]

I like everything you have done to your car.Excellent work and quality taste = Bad Ass ride

[tones2SS]

Very nice Bob!! Very nice build.
She should go very well with that "hopped up" LS7 for sure!:thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Not only does it have the sus, I'm using the ABS and traction control so it should be pretty cool

X2!

Get ready for a lot of attention. :unibrow:

[Rybar]

Agree with the others, very nicely done build. I like how understated it looks.

Please post up some better photos of it completed :thumbsup:

[rocketman]

Thats one slick camaro love it

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

Some side pics from outside.The chassie is flush with the rockers so nothing hangs down,the exhaust goes down the center just like a corvette.The whole floor from the firewall to the rear tires is carbon fiber as well as from the rear axle to the rear body panel. Kinda like a belly pan

[GregWeld]

Love it!
:hail: :hail: :woot: :cheers:

[coolwelder62]

Wow,!! This is an awesome car.I love it.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[BillyBobL71]

Nice ride, looks mean from the rear. Did you make the front emblem?

Bill

[Ron in SoCal]

That is sick Bob...nice job!

[waynieZ]

That is awesome!!

[lhkustoms]

Love it! Congrats on finishing it. :thumbsup:

[wellis77]

That's a beautiful car. Congratulations.

[Bow Tie 67]

Very nice, how about some video treating her like a track whore.

[Cris@JCG]

What he said!!


Love it!
:hail: :hail: :woot: :cheers:

[tones2SS]

Nice car man!!! Love the rear shot. KILLER!:thumbsup:

[rocketman]

thats bad ass

[Rybar]

That is sick, nicely done Bob. :thumbsup: More pics are needed :unibrow:

[DFRESH]

Easily one of the coolest thus far---would love to have some driving impressions from both street and track.

Doug

[rwhite692]

Damn, Bob. Looks sweet. That rear view pic is the money shot.

[g356gear]

Some side pics from outside.The chassie is flush with the rockers so nothing hangs down,the exhaust goes down the center just like a corvette.The whole floor from the firewall to the rear tires is carbon fiber as well as from the rear axle to the rear body panel. Kinda like a belly pan

What color is this? Not sure of it was mentioned yet but almost looks like Garnet red.

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

No it's Ford candy apple red code T. I have a garnet red nova and it's not a pretty red, to dark

[SWAPMEETCRAZY]

R-B-L --- You now have me drooling over all those c5 and c6 chassis i see for sale at cleveland pick-a-part and others!!
We now know the "REAL BOB JOHNSON" can build an "UNREAL" car!!! sweeetttttt!!! :hail: jim

[bonecrrusher]

Car is looking awesome! I love seeing the Vette control arms out back... :bow:

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

I've been working on the dash bezel and i'm about done. The dash bezel and pad are 69 nova. I cut out the whole top and made it out of steel to fit the corvette guages. Bob

[GregWeld]

Nice!

[soundqdoug]

The gauge integration is incredible!

[coolwelder62]

Bob any more update's on your project.Scott

[1HTBRRD]

awesome build....I am thoroughly impressed how simple you made it all look

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

I'm multi-tasking building 3 at once. I've got all the dash together and the front seats are in upholstry prision other than that pretty close.Thank's for the kind words,it drives like a new corvette can't wait to get out and drive it like I stole it Thank's again

[coolwelder62]

Great cant wait too see more photo's when you get more finished.Thank's Scott.

[Jay Hilliard]

Awesome work Bob! You still on schedule for having it finished for GG at Charlotte?

I hope so. I can't wait to see it!

[ja.stoner63]

Sweet ride. :unibrow:

[bonecrrusher]

Hey - those gauges look familiar!

Awesome progress!

[fleetus macmullitz]

What's new on this one Bob?

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

OK I]m back,just about done. My cars been in upholstry shop prison. It won't be long for road test. I'm having some panels covered with a process called water transfer printing and its suspost to look like carbon fiber? I guess will see.

[coolwelder62]

Lookin good.Man I love this ride.:thumbsup: Scott

[Ron in SoCal]

Welcome back Bob! Looking forward to that road test and pics...

[d touring]

OK I]m back,just about done. My cars been in upholstry shop prison. It won't be long for road test. I'm having some panels covered with a process called water transfer printing and its suspost to look like carbon fiber? I guess will see.

Cars looking good Bob! Cant wait to see it in person!

[Gandalf]

Excellent Bob - can't wait to see this finished and hear how she drives!

Any chance we can talk you into taking a few teaser pics of how things turned out under the hood - maybe some of under the car with the new running gear, esp torque tube and the rear?

Nice!
G.

[Northeast Rod Run]

First time I've actually seen this thread. nice looking build!

[Al Moreno]

Any updates?

[Ummgawa]

Is this the Dallas, Ga. Bobby Johnson or the Gainesville, Ga. Bob Johnson?

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

Finally pretty much done other then bugs and tuning. For the first time out it drove and ran really well. Got invited to summit racing open house in mcdonough,ga this weekend and planning on Goodguys in Nashville in a couple of weeks

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

More Pics

[Track Junky]

Awesome ride Bob, congrats on the completion. :thumbsup:

[killer67]

Love the carbon fiber theme :thumbsup:

[scottysimp7]

Sweet ride! Are the pedals custom? I love the clutch and brake pedal set up.

[coolwelder62]

Bob,WOW!! this has turned out awesome.Can't wait to see in nashville.:thumbsup: Scott M.

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

what's pretty cool,the pedal ass. is c-6 corvette.the assembly with booster fits pretty well and moves the booster over 3 inches for extra engine clearence.

[bulldog19]

Very Nice build Bob. Engine bay is killer, love the carbon fiber theme.
Who made the rear emblem for you?
That adds a nice touch.

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

emblems where made on a haas machine 5-axis

[BanditDave]

My hats off to you Bob...this is a gorgeous piece of art.......that you can BEAT THE LIVING PI$$ out of!

Have fun with it man and if I said I wasn't jealous, I'd be lying to you!

:bow: :bow: :bow:

Dave

[ironworks]

Looking Good Bob. Was Joe able to help you?

[BBC69Camaro]

Wow I can't believe just saw this, just read through this entire thread. Such a awesome project. Congrats on getting it on the road, must feel really great especially with such project :hail:

[MattWash08]

Man this is such a cool car!! I love it :bow:

[waynieZ]

That is so sweet.

[Rybar]

Looks awesome Bob, best of both worlds for sure. :thumbsup:

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

never got hold of joe but solved it myself. Thank's for the help Roger. Anyone in Georgia I'm taking it to Summit open house this weekend Thank's for the kind words Bob

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

Bin working ouy all my bugs and put it on the chassie dyno today and made 510 hp at the rear wheels with a stock 427 with a comp cam and headers. Leaving early am to nashville Thank's Bob

[Ron in SoCal]

Have fun Bob and take some pics!

[Gandalf]

510 at the wheels with a cam and headers - nice work Bob!

Have an awesome time and yeah, what Ron said - pictures please :-)

G.

[1965_SS]

Just read the entire thread..........amazing work, the car is awesome:thumbsup:

Did you weigh it yet?

[62ChevyII]

Just super all the way around. Too much neat stuff to comment on individual areas. It's killer! Like the factory + custom setup.

[LSfan70s]

I've been working on the dash bezel and i'm about done. The dash bezel and pad are 69 nova. I cut out the whole top and made it out of steel to fit the corvette guages. Bob

Awesome project! Very nice job! :cheers:
Would you share what is needed to make the Vette cluster/geuges work on a conversion? Like what else do I need to grab from the Vette I'm taking the gauges?

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=26096&d=1281575672

[REAL BOB JOHNSON]

Well,that's a deep subject. The guage cluster is a class 2 module and is feed through the body control module and works off low voltage signals. I wired on this car for 3MONTHS 2 and 3 hours a night makings everything work its not that easy. But I'll help if I can Bob,

[Angry]

I met you in Charlotte Bob, i finally found this thread..

[JNS]

You need to sell your car to me.:lol:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Looking good RBJ!!!!