Attention Tri-5 Chevy guys. Ironworks Do-It-Yourself chassis.

[ironworks]

Well Guys I have been working on this project for a while. It is chassis for the Tri-5 crowd that would be sold in both a fully welded kit and also in a do it your self fashion. The chassis goes together just like a snap together model. You slide this tab into this slot and index this part into this part. It is really easy.

The Frame starts out like this. A bunch of laser cut plates.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010128.jpg

Then you tack together the entire chassis. You can see some of the many tabs and slots that stick through the plates and interlock to assist in assembly.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsFebuary2010099.jpg
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http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010040.jpg

The body mounts position themselves in the chassis. It is easy.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010043.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010042.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010040.jpg

After everything has been tacked together. You begin to weld chassis together.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010070.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010103.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010111.jpg

We are currently designing the Modular rack mounts to be able to run 3 different racks, AGR, flaming river, and a Woodward steering rack. The Rear suspension is four link with a watts link. We plan to sell the exhaust and fuel tank mounted in the car. The motor and trans mounts will be adjustable to allow you to mount the engine where you choose.

What I'm looking for are 3-4 test subjects who have medium skills and want to build their own chassis. You do not need a jig fixture to assemble this chassis, and I don't think it is possible to put it together wrong. We plan to sell these kits with a welded rear axle housing with all brackets and axles installed. You just assemble the chassis like a snap together model and bolt on the C6 vette suspension and all the machined suspension parts for the front and rear suspension. With the up coming west coast events I would like to coordinate with test subjects be able to coordinate the builds.

Let me know your thoughts on the product and your thoughts on the do it your self aspect.

Final assembled pics of the chassis will come when we unveil the new product officially at Del Mar next month.

Thanks

[JamesJ]

Thats pretty cool, will make shipping much cheaper and simpler....

[jy211]

I got a 56' driver that will be in the project line after I finish my 55'. But I'd be in for a new frame :)

My brother has a 55' Handyman wagon that is at the start of a build. :D :thumbsup:

So we'd be test subjects if need be.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Neil summed up my thoughts in the first 15 seconds...

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:D

[Rybar]

That is killer Rodger, nice work I think you will do well with these. :thumbsup:

[214Chevy]

Now, here comes the jealousy question. What about us other GM guys? Any plans to do other cars....i.e. = Chevelles, Camaros, etc? Screw the Mopar guys. :rofl: Just kidding!!:unibrow:

[ironworks]

That is killer Rodger, nice work I think you will do well with these. :thumbsup:

I hope so. These are really nice pieces. We have used the best parts and tried to do some really trick features.( The Rear lower link of the suspension, comes out of a pocket on the bottom of the chassis, That is slick show car stuff. :D ) We will offer 2 ride heights. And you will be able to run a couple different tire and wheel combo's. It will be able to run 335 rear tires and we are working on finalizing running 275 front tires.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010096.jpg

[ironworks]

Now, here comes the jealousy question. What about us other GM guys? Any plans to do other cars....i.e. = Chevelles, Camaros, etc? Screw the Mopar guys. :rofl: Just kidding!!:unibrow:

The Chevelle is in the works, Currently. Should have a roller very soon.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/ShopPicsMarch2010081.jpg

We plan to have a few others in the works. :D :D :D

The Camaro market is pretty saturated with alot of great products. So it might be a while. I would do a tube chassis Camaro one before a bolt on Camaro subframe.

[Musclerodz]

What kind of reinforcing does the upper a-arm mounting plate get? Picture above shows none. I am very interested as we have a 56 HT to do as soon as I find the right candidate.

[ironworks]

There is a strip that goes around the top of 1/4" x 1" that goes in the opposite plane to the upright. We have to form these by hand they are not machined. Plus the shock mount tabs and inside crossmember help reinforce the plate that same plate.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Your timing may be perfect. I used to employ a dozen 6G certified welders in my other buisness and my best welder ever stopped by this week looking for side evening work. I like to help him out when I can but he IS NOT a car guy or I would have him full time.

I have a 57 project that may be perfect for one. We could weld it up. Maybe weld one up for JY211 while were at it?

Email me some cost and timeline.

[email protected]

[ironworks]

Email sent

[tones2SS]

That is great Rodger. Very innovative.
I hope this works out well for you. Great idea man!:thumbsup: :cheers:

[Aschle]

PM me how much these are going for... I would LOVE to do something like this to my 57' !!!!

I have a Unisteer rack in the car now and a 22 gallon Ricks tank... Would the chassis except these?

Jason

http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq221/emaschle/57/DSCN2443.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq221/emaschle/57/DSCN2448.jpg

[Hotroddder]

I saw your thread via a posting on Tri5.com. I am a Tri5 exclusive builder in Auburn WA. I would be interested in more info and costs. Seems like a neat idea, tho I have some concerns about keeping things on the same plane without a frame jig or table, like shown in your shop.

Thanks

Hotroddder

[nvr2fst]

Great concept for the DIY individual. Looks like you and Eric designed a well thought out chassis with some cool option set ups. Nice job guys!
I think your smart to let the camaro chassis ideas go for now considering the abundance of after market availability and concentrating on other production frames.

[customcam]

Definately would need a Jig and a great welder for it to not Warp...! Looks very thin. Have you driven the prototype ?

[Vegas69]

:thumbsup: Way to go Rodger. Very innovative.

[SWAPMEETCRAZY]

:thumbsup: Way to go Rodger. Very innovative.

I still don't think he ever sleeps!!! LOL Very nice!! :D

[rocketman]

Looks cool

[ironworks]

I saw your thread via a posting on Tri5.com. I am a Tri5 exclusive builder in Auburn WA. I would be interested in more info and costs. Seems like a neat idea, tho I have some concerns about keeping things on the same plane without a frame jig or table, like shown in your shop.

Thanks

Hotroddder

Where on Tri5 did you see the post. When we get further along I was looking at advertising on there. I was checking out the site.

The Beauty of the chassis is the tabs and slots that fit togther They help square each rail to the other. Take the front crossmember with 1/4" plate vertical rails that fit through the entire rail. Plus the slots and tabs are so precsion that once you slide the four tabs into each rail completely through to the out side they square them selves up. When built the last chassis I went to great lengths to test how far it moves. It was between .020 and .030 out of square from the peak of the rear kick up to the highest mounting point on the upper control arm mounting point. That was good enough for me and the girls I run with.

[ironworks]

I still don't think he ever sleeps!!! LOL Very nice!! :DRhino

Well between working 12 hours a day build all kinds of stuff, racing Go karts on Thurday's and any available Saturday. Plus RC cars during my off nights. I'm building a 200 hp Rhino to start short course racing next season. Plus we are doing about 14 shows this year. Oh and I'm thinking about renewing my I racing for late night racing bug.

After all that I'm tired and you know I have to sleep.

Thanks

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Rog,I told you it was good idea...:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Jims78elky]

Nice work! I would love to see a 78 G-body chassis one day..


-Jim

[customcam]

http://www.trifive.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41317

[COYBILT]

that is a awesome piece!!! I expect nothing less then this from Rodger.

I want to buy one just to weld it up, then grind it smooth and then I can feel like a all out metal fabricator.

[novanutcase]

I've seen this in person and it's impressive to say the least.

I would imagine that a DIYer could put this together in short order. I say that because I watched a very experienced welder at Ironworks put it together. I couldn't believe how quickly he had gotten it done!:hail:

John

[customcam]

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[caper150]

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is that for the guys over at the tri-5 site, cause it sure sounds like they don't like innovatation very much.Great work Roger and Ironworks:thumbsup:

[SWAPMEETCRAZY]

is that for the guys over at the tri-5 site, cause it sure sounds like they don't like innovatation very much.Great work Roger and Ironworks:thumbsup:

Roger --u definitely need to address the tri-5 guys site--they don't no who they
are dealing with ---YET!!--- but we all do!!!! :D jim

[ironworks]

I've seen this in person and it's impressive to say the least.

I would imagine that a DIYer could put this together in short order. I say that because I watched a very experienced welder at Ironworks put it together. I couldn't believe how quickly he had gotten it done!:hail:

John


Maybe you should come up and build one. That would be a good test.

[ironworks]

Here is a response I put over on Tri-5.

Hay Guys my name is Rodger and it is nice to see that your looking at things with such analyzing eyes. Some of the ideas your guys are drawing from are correct and some are not exactly correct. This frame idea has been in the market place for years, there is nothing new about the ideas were are incorporating into this chassis. TCI has been welding 4 rails togther for years. We started a few years ago building some frames for some different pickups this way, 55-59 and Ford unibody stuff. They went togther pretty easybut we would just box the rails with nominal stock and cut out the profile of the bend.

Well fast forward a few years, I have a customer that owns and aerospace company in Santa Barbara that opened my eyes to Solidworks some 3-4 years ago, he is a degreeed engineer. We started talking about this frame idea about 2 years ago when another degreed engineer wanted me to build some thing stronger then what was currently available. Well we are now cutting out chassis number 3 last week that is currently getting assembled for the 2011 Goodguys giveaway car, a 1955 Chevy Convertible, This is official but has not been announced publicly yet, (Until Now).

Well I have been skeptical the whole way through that I could never sell a DO-IT-YOURSELF chassis that could be built without issue at someones home in there garage. So Last week after having my 9 dollar an hour 19 year old trainiee put one together unassited without printed instruction other then this part goes her and this one goes here and all tabs should slip togther, puts one to togther and TIG welds the entire chassis. I wanted to check the position of the body mounts, because they are located in the frame rails, so no guessing. After he was done I measured square from the tops of the frame kick ups with a precision leveling tool to the very top of the upper control arm mounts and it was less the 1/32 out of square, thats better then factory. The OD width measurement is 41" all the way to the front where it tapers. I had not installed the core support mount yet or rackmounts or the frame center section or the rear suspension crossmembers.

So I posted a teaser thread on Lateral-g.net ( I spend alot of time on Lat-g and have quite a few friends over there ) to see about finding a few very talents garage builders and a few other shops that would be interested in this chassis to test 3-5 of these for a build and somebody posted the chassis over here. I was not trying to make a formal announcement about the release of the product yet, gosh I don't have formal pricing or a firm ball park. I just wants some guinea pigs to try the frame.

So now for the Specs. The chassis is made with .125 P&O steel. It has an option to have .188 main plate in the chassis that goes front to rear. The main plate being the inside of the rear main rails which connects to the outside of the front suspension rails. It is one continuous plate. The chassis pictured is totally .125 except for the front crossmembers that are .25. but boxed with .125. The front suspension is New C6 vette suspension, The rear will be a FAB 9 housing from Alston. The center section will be a combination of bent tube and flat plate structure. I want to be able to run an X pipe in the chassis. The chassis will be available in 2 ride height .4.625 and 5.375. These ride heights are designed for a 335/30/20 rear tire and 265/35/19. The engine mounts I'm still working on, I like lots of options and being able to place the engine where "I" want not where some manufacturer thinks it should be.

The chassis you seen pictured will be a roller at the Goodguys Del Mar show in our booth as a roller and have most everything installed on the chassis for that event. I was hoping to have the 2011 Goodguys giveaway 1955 Chevy convertible body installed on this chassis for the event, but we will not get the body until May 1st 2010.

There are quite a few pics of this chassis on my website, down towards the bottom. I will be posting more and we finalize a production version of the chassis. We have been a high end one off fab shop that has been in business for almost 10 years. We currently have 3 Tri-five projects going on in the shop all with a custom built chassis under them.

If you have any questions please feel free to ask. I don't have firm pricing yet. I want to see how these go together with my test builders. I have a most of my builders selected but I might be open to some more if they are local. I think I have the shops picked out as to who they will be, they are on the east coast. I would be interested in some talented west coast garage Builders.

My shop website is www.ironworksspeedandkustom.com my email is [email protected].

Rodger Lee

[coolwelder62]

I think those guys on tri-5 site all voted for Obama. Their minds are closed all ready to a new idea.I can weld a little bit and I think I could put that thing togather.The thought that was put into the desgin was the hard part.Nice job.!!:thumbsup:

[ironworks]

Roger --u definitely need to address the tri-5 guys site--they don't no who they
are dealing with ---YET!!--- but we all do!!!! :D jim

Thanks I did that this morning, I have been busy this weekend. I went to the Fresno Autorama on friday night and then Dinner with potential customer. Then I got up and went to the Go kart track trying to figure out why things we slower. I found my big ass puts too much stress on the engine and she is just tired. Then I met Gordon Peters and Neil Lea of Rods & Restos at my shop last night for a Tour. They both loved the DIY chassis and may each buy one. Then we went to the Crystal Place for dinner and the Old Buck Owens Songs. Last night when I got home I was tired. So I got up early this morning to Hunt and Peck a response.

Just to be clear, I'm in no ready to sell this kits publicly, I'm just looking for a few guys who want one of these chassis's to build and give me their opinion on assembly and whether it can really be done in a home builders garage.

[Hotroddder]

Roger, here is a link to some of my work.... if that may help to consider me for a trial kit

http://www.picturetrail.com/hotroddder2

Hotroddder

[nvr2fst]

One thing Ive learned Rodger from you (from the horses mouth) No matter whats being posted there where always be criticism. I think individuals forgot about the key words you wrote "testing" and blew this out of proportion. Not to mention how some like to stir the pot.

[Cris@JCG]

Great concept Rodger! I like the the whole structure of the chassis & think it is a great idea for do it yourselfers! We can weld one up if you like.. For TEST purposes only!

[ironworks]

One thing Ive learned Rodger from you (from the horses mouth) No matter whats being posted there where always be criticism. I think individuals forgot about the key words you wrote "testing" and blew this out of proportion. Not to mention how some like to stir the pot.

I think the Cyber Cowboys are the funniest. They used to bother me, But I understand it comes with the territory. There is always some guy sitting in his one room apartment scrolling the internet with pet hamster on his lap trying to tell the world what he has figured out about cars from his older brother that took autoshop for a week back in high school. Then he gets up every morning to go work at the mini mart on the early shift looking at car magazines all day. Then they go home and dream about the cars they wish they had on the internet while telling others how they would build there car. All the while chatting on line with under age girls.

There is a website for those guys, its called Myspace. Go take your 6 pack abs and you Enzo Ferrari over there.

As Budweiser would say, We salute you Mister Cyber Cowboy.

[ironworks]

Great concept Rodger! I like the the whole structure of the chassis & think it is a great idea for do it yourselfers! We can weld one up if you like.. For TEST purposes only!

If you have tri-5 project going I would be interested in do that. I want guys who's projects will see the street.

[Aschle]

If you have tri-5 project going I would be interested in do that. I want guys who's projects will see the street.

I drive my 57' weekly ! :unibrow: I am local to you also (Paso Robles). My plan is to pull the body back off of the frame within the next month for some changes so if this chassis is a possibility, it is a great time to do so. :cheers:

I have a Miller 175 MIG that could easily handle the welds...


Jason

PS, I am a member of www.trifive.com and for the record, I did - NOT - vote for Obama... LOL

[TA219]

I love this idea! A friend of mine owns a off-road shop and has talked about this same idea for the jeep community. I know that there are a lot of sub-frames for Camaros, but most are expensive. I would love to have a DIY part that is cheaper than the others with the added clearance of a new subframe.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I'm not sure this is practical or not, but what about offering a jig for it, also in kit form?

[slownova]

screw the tri5 guys...... send me a chevelle chassis!!

[Aschle]

screw the tri5 guys...... send me a chevelle chassis!!

Hey now...:question: :captain:

[slownova]

:) i was waiting for that :willy:

[coolwelder62]

Rodger; A real DIY guy will find a way to make something work if he really wants it bad enoungh.He will take some of the money saved on the chassis and build a make shift jig if thats what he thinks he needs.He use that saved money on the upgraded welder he's been wanting.He does not sit on his ass in front of the pc dogging someone elses new idea.He looks at it takes something from it and uses it for hinself.The internet is flooded w/ socalled experts that dont know sh*t.So to make themselves feel good about having no fabrication or design skills they dog a nice idea or or someones fabicated parts.I love the Idea of a diy kit.I have thought of doing the same for the camaro frt sub frame for 1st. & 2nd. gen camaro's.Keep up the great work.Scott.:thumbsup: :hail:

[ironworks]

Thanks Scott, Eric ( Hwy Nova ) did the technical difficult work I just spit out the ideas. I have been amazed that it goes together so well with nothing more then a big table. We TIG welded this frame together moving the heat around and have not experience much distortion. I really think we might be on to something they have been doing this in the off road business for a few years now with round tube chassis's. they just need a solid table to build off of.

Once I get the remaining parts finalized and worked into the drawing we will ship a few out to some guys to test. I guess we will find out if we are that good or how easy it really is. The last 4 frames we have done like this were easy as pie on a 5x10 steel table with no fixtures of jig to speak of.

[Vegas69]

I can see a downside. Some cheap ass buys it along with a new welder and goes to town and it's all tweaked. I'd certainly cover my aise with some instructions on how to weld it with settings, moving around while welding, and break time. We all know just how inept the general public can be.

[customcam]

Very funny how you get your Knickers in a Knot if people dont approve of you 'Desiiign & Engineeering' dare i say....!
Oh what about the Engineeering.... hmmm Any real world testing? Hmmm
Nothing...
If they screw up welding this and comes off the road hurting himself or Others?
Public Liability Heard of that?
I cant wait to see the rest of it :thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

Rodger; It's ideas like this that made this country great.The hot rod hobby is a great place to be involed in right now.A diy hot rodder can order some bad as$ suspenion parts now or a guy can see what some of the top builder are doing and try to do the same himself.THERES NO RULES IN HOT RODDING.Build what you want and have a good time.Some of the neatest ideas come out of the garages of guy's like Mark Steilow.:thumbsup:

[ironworks]

I can see a downside. Some cheap ass buys it along with a new welder and goes to town and it's all tweaked. I'd certainly cover my aise with some instructions on how to weld it with settings, moving around while welding, and break time. We all know just how inept the general public can be.

That's why I wanted to try some of these out on a few different people and see what they thought about instructions and different assembly procedures. There are alot of under achieving dumb asses out there. I want to develop a website with the build of these "TEST" frames to be built and street driven in a build series.

I also thought about not selling the suspension until the frame passes a visual test..... Selling a dumb ass a 1000hp crate engine has to be a bigger risk then selling a guy a DIY frame....

[J2SpeedandCustom]

Rodger have you thought about including fixtures to keep the tolerances correct? After you tack it together you installed 3 or 4 cross braces in specific locations (make it like the body mounts so you can't screw it up). That way you know that when "Jimmy" goes to town with the 110 welder at least the geometry will be correct. Because you know a DIY'r is going to assemble and weld it on the garage floor.

For example Kyle @ DSE developed a jig for their 1st gen coilover conversion. You bolt the jig into the engine mount holes and it locates the brackets for you.

[ironworks]

That is the idea we are using. The rear crossmember behind the bumper is 1.5" tubing we cut that piece to 40.75 and cap both ends and slide the open holes on the end of the chassis onto that piece of tube and weld it flush on the outside and you now have aligned the rear of the chassis and set the width. We also use the lower link mount for the 4 link that is in the chassis. Plus the front crossmember tabs through the inside and out plate of the frame rail.

You guys should build a Tri-5 with one of these chassis's. Tracy was talking about getting one to see what the dream weaver could do in an upholstry shop.

[slow4dr]

Hey Rodger,

I've been thinking about doing something like this at work but this would certainly save me a ton of time. Anyone know if the mounting locations are the same between the Chev and the Pontiac?

-J

Unmolested :thumbsup:

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e260/slow4dr/1956%20Pontiac%20Chieftain%20Wagon/100_1292.jpg

[Musclerodz]

Hey Rodger,

I've been thinking about doing something like this at work but this would certainly save me a ton of time. Anyone know if the mounting locations are the same between the Chev and the Pontiac?

-J

Unmolested :thumbsup:

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e260/slow4dr/1956%20Pontiac%20Chieftain%20Wagon/100_1292.jpg

brings up a good question Rodger. Which body is the frame setup for? sedan, ht, wagon, vert? Most bodies share most all same mounting points except for a couple locations either added or moved depending on which body is being installed.

[ironworks]

We have checked hard top and sedan and will be doing a Convertible very soon. I have not done a wagon yet, but that is the one I have been told is just a bit different. I guess that would be a good point in selecting a my testers. I have had an over whelming response from people wanting to try these frames out.

[J2SpeedandCustom]

That is the idea we are using. The rear crossmember behind the bumper is 1.5" tubing we cut that piece to 40.75 and cap both ends and slide the open holes on the end of the chassis onto that piece of tube and weld it flush on the outside and you now have aligned the rear of the chassis and set the width. We also use the lower link mount for the 4 link that is in the chassis. Plus the front crossmember tabs through the inside and out plate of the frame rail.

You guys should build a Tri-5 with one of these chassis's. Tracy was talking about getting one to see what the dream weaver could do in an upholstry shop.

I'm building a 57 right now, but the customer's budget didn't allow for an aftermarket chassis. But I'm far from a garage guy if I bought one it would go one the chassis table and get welded down before we burnt it in.

[ironworks]

Just to answer some peoples questions here are some assembly pics of a rail going together.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010147.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010148.jpg
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http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010151.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010144.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010154.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010153.jpg

[Ummgawa]

Customcam, do you own or drive a 55-57 chevrolet? Rodger seems by all appearances to be a stand up guy, he has throughly explained the system, that it's 'in progress', it was engineered, and it's obviously not for an amature that just purchased a used welder on ebay.


Definately would need a Jig and a great welder for it to not Warp...! Looks very thin. Have you driven the prototype ?

This comment answers itself, is it really necessary? Its a pile of laser cut pieces that meet thickness requirements and was designed by an engineer, needs to be assembled...

http://www.trifive.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41317

The above link is just unecessary, which one of these 'mates' are you? Why do you choose to bash a vendor here?

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Uncalled for...

Very funny how you get your Knickers in a Knot if people dont approve of you 'Desiiign & Engineeering' dare i say....!
Oh what about the Engineeering.... hmmm Any real world testing? Hmmm
Nothing...
If they screw up welding this and comes off the road hurting himself or Others?
Public Liability Heard of that?
I cant wait to see the rest of it :thumbsup:

The only person with 'their knickers in a knot'...is you! You have left Rodger no alternative but to rebut you! It's in the prototype phase! The only negative comments are from you. Every comment on Lateral-G is positive but yours! I think this is awesome in it's simplicity and innovation.

We have a very friendly forum here, and we are not the world police. Rodger has the credentials, the builds, the coverage, the business, the web presence, the awards...that equals credibility.I live on the other end of the USA from Rodger,and I don't have a horse in this race, but I have followed this thread.


Enough is enough.

[James OLC]

Just to follow up on what Jim was saying above...

If somebody does not think that they have the skill to assemble this - then there is no need for them to buy it. If you are not a competent welder you can warp a stock subframe (or full frame) without due care and attention and - if you are that person - I would suggest that a DIY kit is not something that you should invest in.

On the other hand - if you have basic welding skills or access to a skilled welder then this frame may be exactly what you are looking for...

Very cool Rodger - great innovation - I can't wait to see in at Del Mar.

[WSSix]

I think it's a great idea. I can see some of the downsides or the potential liabilities but that exists in almost anything.

I do have a question though. How hard is it to make the bends needed with the rails? The metal is 0.125" thick which isn't huge but isn't thin either. It appears that a 180* bend is needed for the ends and the underside of the rail at the axle looks to be a fairly difficult to pull off. Is this something that can be done with C-clamps and vises easily?

Keep innovating Rodger and keep us updated on a 2nd gen offering :D

[ccracin]

Customcam, do you own or drive a 55-57 chevrolet? Rodger seems by all appearances to be a stand up guy, he has throughly explained the system, that it's 'in progress', it was engineered, and it's obviously not for an amature that just purchased a used welder on ebay.




This comment answers itself, is it really necessary? Its a pile of laser cut pieces that meet thickness requirements and was designed by an engineer, needs to be assembled...



The above link is just unecessary, which one of these 'mates' are you? Why do you choose to bash a vendor here?



Uncalled for...



The only person with 'their knickers in a knot'...is you! You have left Rodger no alternative but to rebut you! It's in the prototype phase! The only negative comments are from you. Every comment on Lateral-G is positive but yours! I think this is awesome in it's simplicity and innovation.

We have a very friendly forum here, and we are not the world police. Rodger has the credentials, the builds, the coverage, the business, the web presence, the awards...that equals credibility.I live on the other end of the USA from Rodger,and I don't have a horse in this race, but I have followed this thread.


Enough is enough.

I really think it is absolutely absurd to be using terms like "Knickers" on this site. This is a clean wholesome community. Come on people clean it up! :willy: :rofl:

Get a grip Customcam. This thread was started not to announce a new product, but to continue the prototyping process of a potential new product. Rodger is looking for the feedback from real world DIY folks so that he can truly evaluate the positive and negative points of this product. Make no mistake, Rodger will not release it until it is correct. Just curious, what are your credentials with regard to this subject? I also do not have a horse in this race, but I do follow threads like this. I think is is superb that Rodger would put this out to real folks looking for feedback. As they say once you put it out there you can't take it back. Rodger is putting it on the line doing something like this. I applaud him for it.

[Bowtieracing]

Rodger,

I think this is fantastic and really good idea!!! With laser cut pieces it goes together like legos.

And just think how much easier is it to ship on pieces vs full size frame!

[skatinjay27]

customcam just seems to have issue with rodger and was just chomping at the bit to attack him... just look through his previous post in anything regarding rodger or ironworks...I know rodger saw all his post in this thread and just didnt address(well direct at least:lol:)) them because he knows theres no real validity behind his post. i actually found it funny that he kept post even though know one even responded to him.:rolleyes:

[Musclerodz]

One more thing Rodger, 55 frame horns are different than 56 and 57 horns which are the same.

[lhkustoms]

screw the tri5 guys...... send me a chevelle chassis!!

Looks great Rodger good luck with it and I'll take a chevelle chassis when there ready.

[slow4dr]

I was more curious about the differences between the Chev and Pontiac than the difference in body styles. The front suspension for the Chev is completely different than for the Pontiac but the rear is the same so I am hopeful the body mounting points are the same.

-J


FYI: I read the thread at Tri-5 and I thought I would throw this out there since I saw something mentioned about it. TCI uses two fixtures to build a chassis, one fixture for the rail itself and one fixture for the frame once the rails are built to spec. If the rails or chassis are more than 1/16" out front to back the rails are scrapped.

[70rs]

Very cool idea Rodger. I hope you get the feedback you need to keep moving forward with this. Best of luck to you and the crew.:thumbsup:

[novanutcase]

I really think it is absolutely absurd to be using terms like "Knickers" on this site. This is a clean wholesome community. Come on people clean it up! :willy: :rofl:

:lol:

"knickers"......wadda dumbass!!!

BTW I know who you are customcam.........:drama:

John

[customcam]

[QUOTE=novanutcase;277127]:lol:

"knickers"......wadda dumbass!!!

BTW I know who you are customcam.........:drama:

John[/QUOTe
Tell me you little ****. John guess what you just did? You just threatened me.. Good on your John

[RECOVERY ROOM]

:lol:

"knickers"......wadda dumbass!!!

BTW I know who you are customcam.........:drama:

John

WOW...your kinda scary :_paranoid Hope I don't meet you anywhere:rofl:

[novanutcase]

WOW...your kinda scary :_paranoid Hope I don't meet you anywhere:rofl:


Hahaha!!! Y'all better watch it or I'ma get EVIL on yo azzes!!!:lol:

John

[Kendall Burleson]

send me one I have the car I know a little about welding this setup.:yes: :yes:

[ccracin]

Hahaha!!! Y'all better watch it or I'ma get EVIL on yo azzes!!!:lol:

John

I much prefer going BUBONIC on beautches! :hail: John :lol:

[camcojb]

Tell me you little ****. John guess what you just did? You just threatened me.. Good on your John
he didn't threaten you, he simply said he knew who you were. Last warning.................

[96z28ss]

Okay lets end all the speculation.
Roger send me one i'll weld it in the garage, I won't use any tools that a DIY doesn't have, then I'll send it back to you. You can measure it all out. And post the results.
I think its a real neat piece that could make a DIY look like a pro to his friends when he is finished.

[68RS350]

Just to answer some peoples questions here are some assembly pics of a rail going together.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010147.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010148.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010149.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010151.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010144.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010154.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010153.jpg

A quick question/suggestion about the tab and slots in the frame rails. I see in one of the pictures that you are tacking the cross plates inside the rails. Are you guys planning on welding the actual tab and slots on the sides of the rails? I work with a lot of sheetmetal structures at Caterpillar and we have found that making the tab half the thickness or a little more of the rail material so someone can plug weld the tab and slot and then grind flush. To give it a smooth finished looked. If you guys already planned to do that already then sorry to repeat. BTW great work! :cheers:

[ironworks]

A quick question/suggestion about the tab and slots in the frame rails. I see in one of the pictures that you are tacking the cross plates inside the rails. Are you guys planning on welding the actual tab and slots on the sides of the rails? I work with a lot of sheetmetal structures at Caterpillar and we have found that making the tab half the thickness or a little more of the rail material so someone can plug weld the tab and slot and then grind flush. To give it a smooth finished looked. If you guys already planned to do that already then sorry to repeat. BTW great work! :cheers:

Great Idea, we are playing with having the tabs on the bulkheads flush to make assembly easier. When the tabs are flush with the outside it tells us how well it fit up on the inside.

[ironworks]

Okay lets end all the speculation.
Roger send me one i'll weld it in the garage, I won't use any tools that a DIY doesn't have, then I'll send it back to you. You can measure it all out. And post the results.
I think its a real neat piece that could make a DIY look like a pro to his friends when he is finished.

I'm not sure the speculation will end for a while. I was the most unsure that this would work over a year ago when we built the first chassis. I was blown away how square it came out. Last Friday when I posted this thread I was just looking for five 5 guys to just try the frame out, I figured it would take me a few weeks to come up with the guys I wanted. I had no idea people would come out of the woodwork to want to try and buy this. I'm still prototyping the frame and looking to do further testing. My email and Pm box have been over whelmed and the phone rang off the hook yesterday. I had no idea. So thanks for the overwhelming response, I'm excited to think we might have a product worth all this work.

[wiedemab]

I absolutely love this idea. My Dad and I can't quit talking about it. I had heard you were working on this idea some time ago. I'm glad to see it all coming together.

My Dad wants one of these frames for his 57 Ford F100!!!!! He loves to fab and weld and would really enjoy welding one of these up - I would too!

I'm sure the oddball stuff (ie Ford Truck) is way down on the list, as it should be - you gotta go where the volume is. What is the possibility for low volume stuff? Obviously the developmental cost would be spread over fewer products which would potentially result in a higher price. Just wondering if that is a possibility down the road.

Keep up the good work.

[ironworks]

When I cut the Unibody chassis, we did cut 2...... If you want one let me know.

[BRIAN]

Full frames flex so not sure how anybody is keeping a 1/16 tolerance? Then add in how, by who and with what the frame is being measured and you can start with 1/16 and go up from there.


Looks like cool idea. I think the buyer will be someone that has a bench and some experience and wants to save thousands over an assembled version and shipping hassles. There are other options for those that want and bolt on piece. Gives a builder options rather than a fit the frame to their design.

That being said the first question I would ask is are there any frames on the road and with how many miles? And the important...How did they perform??? They can look pretty in a pic and be a flop. I know you are in prototype stage and will assume this will be addressed before released.


1st gen Camaro would be a huge sell. Easily go UPS and could be adapted to Street Rod crowd that does Camaro clips.

[tones2SS]

Again, great idea Rodger.
Good luck with this.:thumbsup:

[Ummgawa]

Rodger

You are on to something here dude. Best of luck to you man.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Rodger, would it be possible in your opinion, with this chassis being a major part of the equation, to be ultra competitive with the smaller wheelbase cars in the major pro-touring events?

[ironworks]

Rodger, would it be possible in your opinion, with this chassis being a major part of the equation, to be ultra competitive with the smaller wheelbase cars in the major pro-touring events?

Sure with enough tuning and planning to position the weight in a good location. Plus the lighter you can make the car the better. I'm attempting to put as much adjustability into the chassis for different combos. The frame will be pretty light and I'm working on a way to be able to bolt the rollcage directly to that chassis as an option. I plan to set this up with options for splined sway bars, woodward rack, Rear sway bar,Watts link, etc. I'm not using light weight street rod parts. The Rear lower link uses a Johnny joint on one end with a 1/2" bolt in the chassis and a Howe Rubber end link the DSE for the other end with a .75 bolt. The .75 joint is over kill, but readily available.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Thanks for the info Rodger.

[Aschle]

Rodger, would it be possible in your opinion, with this chassis being a major part of the equation, to be ultra competitive with the smaller wheelbase cars in the major pro-touring events?

If this works out, I'll run mine around the autocross and test it out for certain ! I love to drive my 57' as it is, if it actually handled well also, it would be GREAT !

Jason

[SWAPMEETCRAZY]

Rodger

You are on to something here dude. Best of luck to you man.

DEFINITELY X2!! :D

[RECOVERY ROOM]

All right I give..I was going to ask you the other day when were talking ,What the hell is a JOHNNY JOINT?.I have never heard that term before

SEE NEXT PAGE!!!

[Ummgawa]

Multi Pivoting joint, (made better by DSE) Pictures of a Johnny Joint here:

http://images.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=picture+of+a+johnny+joint&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=rGypS6rMBMqztgf17tzJBQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQsAQwAA

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Thanks,never heard it called that.(Rodger is never going to let me hear the end of that)

[skatinjay27]

Thanks,never heard it called that.(Rodger is never going to let me hear the end of that)yeah just use the excuse your not a off-road 4x4 guy. lol

[crazycarl]

Rodger, looks great dude. Judging by the overwhelming response here and the ruffled feathers elsewhere I would say that you have the start of a good product. :cheers:

[Aschle]

Rodger, here are some pics showing the Ricks 22 gallon tank for the 57'

Hope this gives you enough info, if not, let me know and I will measure whatever else is needed.

Jason

http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq221/emaschle/57/tankmeas.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq221/emaschle/57/tankmeasure.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq221/emaschle/57/reartank.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq221/emaschle/57/57tank.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq221/emaschle/57/22galrickstank.jpg

[ironworks]

Plenty of room. Will fit right in place.

Rodger

[ironworks]

A few update pics. The frame center section is coming together. We are trying to make this adjustable before welding to make it look right in every possible configuration. But also make it super strong.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010152.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010157.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010177.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010175.jpg

[xvette]

Hi Rodger , thats a cool set up , Paul horton from weldseries doest a lot of parts like that as well as front cross members that you assemble and weld yourself , they go together like puzzles , I would be interested in one for my 55 2 dr sedan project that I am building now , let me know what you want from me on my part and what the cost would be for the kit ,

Richard Ruiter

xvette

[Aschle]

I like it more and more as the progress moves on !


Jason

[novanutcase]

Not bad for a redneck from Bakertucky!!:lol:

Might head up next saturday. You gonna be around?

John

[ChevelleNV]

What kinda time frame are you looking at for a A body frame kit? I am going to start working on my fame in a few months, body is already off. and one of these would be sweet!!! :woot: :hail:

[HWY Nova]

Not bad for a redneck from Bakertucky!!:lol:

Might head up next saturday. You gonna be around?

John

I think he's heading your way.


--Eric

[novanutcase]

I think he's heading your way.


--Eric

For Del Mar? But that's in two weeks.....

John

[HWY Nova]

For Del Mar? But that's in two weeks.....

John

The Event at El Toro..... Duh.


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4021/4224311076_c1ef539bb8_o.jpg

[ironworks]

We are going down to El Toro on Saturday. Should be fun.

[slow4dr]

We are going down to El Toro on Saturday. Should be fun.

:thumbsup: I am working at the store til noon(allegedly) so I will head down afterwards.

If you want to come by and check out our fixtures just let me know.

[novanutcase]

The Event at El Toro..... Duh.


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4021/4224311076_c1ef539bb8_o.jpg

Hey wait a minute? What's this "El Toro" thing?

John

[1970camaroRS]

I was wondering what the feasibility of making an aluminum frame in a similar fashion.

[ironworks]

Not very feasible.... Unless it is never going to do anything. The frame would have to be so massive to be made from aluminum you would have to redesign the floor boards entirely.

[nvr2fst]

I think he's heading your way.


--Eric

For Del Mar? But that's in two weeks.....

John

John hes heading your way for calling him a Bakertucky redneck.

[novanutcase]

John hes heading your way for calling him a Bakertucky redneck.

OH!.....I thought it was something serious! :lol:

John

[ironworks]

Here are some picture updates after rolling it inside after the Del Mar car show. Things went really well with the chassis. I have now taken a few orders and will begin finalizing the details of the chassis.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsApril2010059.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsApril2010060.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsApril2010063.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsApril2010062.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsApril2010061.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010190.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Tri-5%20Chevy%20chassis/ShopPicsMarch2010189.jpg

[tones2SS]

WOW RODGER!!! Looks killer.
How many have you sold so far? Keep up the great work.:thumbsup: :cheers:

[Rybar]

That thing looks like a work of art. :thumbsup: I wanna build a Tri-5 just so I could run this chassis lol :lol:

[slownova]

i looked quick, but did i miss price?

[SWAPMEETCRAZY]

That thing looks like a work of art. :thumbsup: I wanna build a Tri-5 just so I could run this chassis lol :lol:

Exactly what I was thinking!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

[ironworks]

i looked quick, but did i miss price?

18k for the Complete roller, front and rear suspension, coilovers, AGR rack and pinion with tie rods, rear axle housing, 4 link and pan hard bar, front sway bar, and 31 spline axles.

This price is introductory and I'm not selling it unwelded just yet.

[Muscle Car PWR]

Nice work Rodg. Looked awesome at Del Mar. This chassis definitely shoved the tri-5 drug deeper into my veins over the weekend.

[Cris@JCG]

I couldn't get enough of this chassis Rodger! If I was building a Tri-Five & was asked for a chassis upgrade.. This is the one I would be using :unibrow:

This is a sick A$$ design :D

[fesler]

I agree this was a bad ass design for the 55 crowd. Great work Rodger it really looked killer out there. nice stance and all

[ironworks]

Thanks Guys. I should have a few on the road very soon.