Bye bye GT3 RSs, chased around a 1972 Porsche RSR

[rogue]

pardon the sailor talk. bad habit on the track!
V_D6HG8BuZk

I am so tired but had to post this...

At big willow today chasing a track prepped 1972 RSR that was fully track prepped and an instructors. I think he was toying with me, but it was BRILLIANT to watch and experience. I can't wait to get back the pro pix.

The RSR

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Car craft was on hand and the track photogs themselves put cameras in my Camaro for my 3rd session. I can't wait to see their in car footage.

Put down some times I'm happy with, didn't put one wheel off, and didn't feel ANY pain during my sessions. I found a cure, Adrenaline. In 2 different sessions instructors came out to play with me with their own cars, a 1972 Porsche RSR, and later a Z06 vette from arizona.


Was a fun sight to see to say the least, and I learned a lot just following the instructors lines. I can't wait to get the professional photos. Guy also took promotional footage of my last session with 2 cameras one pointed at me and the other on my back window. Can't wait to see that. Met so many good people today and had such a great time.

Best time of the day was, using Trackmaster on android:

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app is cool. Not sure GPS speedo is accurate. It was way off on the drive up. But the checkpoint system with split markers is brilliant. $5 app that does $800 worth expensive logging gears work. :thumbsup:

[takid455]

your vids are exillerating. love them all. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

does look like the rsr was playing, especially on the one wide turn, but compared to the other cars on the track, looks like you and he were having an blast.

AWESOME:woot:

[DFRESH]

Awesome Dane----

Doug

[rogue]

:willy:


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1936 Indy Studebaker :hail:

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[rogue]

Corvair guys :hail:

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Saran wrap...

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[rogue]

Ferrari owners.... Giant enclosed trailer with a Ferrari flag proudly waving in front. Driving like hes off to the grocery store :lol:

stf-6qpsH-s

[rogue]

Inspired by Jim Taylor and his falcon I decided to drive out to big willow. No more trailering.

http://www.carcraft.com/featuredvehicles/ccrp_0807_63_ford_falcon/index.html


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502ci with a holley 850dp = :lol:

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:lol:

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This guys AWESOME for bringing this thing out and running it. Regardless of the traffic jam :lol:

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you want stance? you got it!

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[rogue]

More RSR
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Fun toy. :hail:
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Absolutely stunning...

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With instructor in chase in the vette. We battled for about 3 laps before I gave the point by. Good fun and I had cameras all in the car during the session.
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[Jr]

Dane,
What was the weather like? Windy? Cold?

Great video!

[2Bad4Ya]

awesome stuff man, looks like major fun!

Ok I am lost, why did they put tape/saran on their cars? To protect their paint?

[takid455]

GT3 RSR - Oh Noes!!!:willy: :willy: :willy: they are truly bad arse.

do you really need all that blue tape? your stuff gets chipped that badly? even a mistubitshi emblem??

saran wrap is def a FAIL. :rofl:

[ArisESQ]

how often do these track days happen?? i really want to go to one and get some instruction.

[Warpath Pontiac]

That looks like a blast! Videos like that are a bad influence on me, I see that and want to sell my "toys" and build a track car.

Someday.

[WSSix]

great pics. Thanks for sharing.

Is that a Cadillac DTS hanging with you guys?

[Flash68]

Great vids. Awesome eclectic mix of cars too.

[Scotch]

So, Rogue and RSR Guy are talking after the session:

Rogue: Hey man, that was really cool chasing you around the track!

RSR Guy: Oh- you're the guy in the old Camaro?

Rogue: Yeah- that's me!

RSR Guy: Oh OK cool. Ya- that was a good time!

Rogue: I was filming the whole thing on my in-car video. I can't wait to watch it!

RSR Guy: Oh wow! That's awesome- I'd love a copy!

Rogue makes the guy a DVD, and he rushes home to watch it.

...whereupon he hears Rogue calling him every nasty name in the book...:lol:

[Steve1968LS2]

Cool video.. good job representing us "old Camaros" lol

:thumbsup:

[byndbad914]

so the car you were following is known as BB2 or Black Beauty 2 and the owner is Jack Olsen. He is an AWESOME dude and really a great guy to everyone. His car is much faster than :40s :) and I HIGHLY recommend asking him for a ride in his car. You (and I with my V8 914) have the HP to climb on him or leave him in the straights, but corners are what matters.

I have only trusted 2 people... ever... to drive on a track while I rode along and he is one of those two people. He takes T3 differently than I do but everywhere else I have followed him with my car when I was out there and vice-versa and can say he is a solid guy (this was before I went tube chassis, etc and moving to CO 3 yrs ago). He has gone back to few aero aids but it is still a fast car.

Work on T1 - you are leaving a LOT on the table hugging the inside of that turn on exit because that is a fast turn and scraping that much mph is loosing significant time. I say any chance you get to go out with that group, go and if Jack is there follow him every chance you get and you will definitely learn from him. Tho' I like an earlier line thru 3, that can be just how your car works so you need to figure that for yourself. I am a momentum driver even tho' I have a ton of right foot "momentum" on tap, I prefer to ease thru v. brute force T3.

The other guy I trusted to ride with had a later model 911 and I just had to see what it was like to go 'round in the :28s :unibrow: Man I miss that track!!!!!!!

[rogue]

Dane,
What was the weather like? Windy? Cold?

Great video!

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day started at 32degrees and worked its way up to about 50 mid day. Was a FAST day but colder than a witches tit. :willy:

[rogue]

awesome stuff man, looks like major fun!

Ok I am lost, why did they put tape/saran on their cars? To protect their paint?

Most "new" people to the track hear horror stories about cars' paint being chipped at the track, so they tape EVERYTHING on the front, and forget their rockers :lol:

The paint on my car is slowly coming off, one chip at a time on the front, rockers and behind front fender. I call it Patina. :thumbsup:

[rogue]

GT3 RSR - Oh Noes!!!:willy: :willy: :willy: they are truly bad arse.

do you really need all that blue tape? your stuff gets chipped that badly? even a mistubitshi emblem??

saran wrap is def a FAIL. :rofl:

They're fast as all hell when driven right. Sadly many owners drive like they're shopping for groceries and are too scared to push the limits on a 140k car. Can't say I blame them, but they sure are fun to pass in a 41 year old camaro. :lol:

The blue tape this is hilarious to me. Do they tape up their cars for road trips as well?

Never been driven in the rain? :rofl:

[rogue]

how often do these track days happen?? i really want to go to one and get some instruction.

constantly. There are tons of groups out there that run.

So far I've run with speedventures and this new (to me) group Open Track Racing. They book track time and you pay a portion of the rental, usually around $200, sometimes as low as $120. Bigger tracks like Laguna Seca can cost up to $300...

Look at the schedules of the tracks you want to drive on and find organizations running and contact them to see if they'll let you run.

The two I have mentioned are both great groups, but Open track racing defitely is a lot more laid back and fun. Kailo is an AWESOME guy and so is his wife. Every single person I met was nice as all can be.

Speedventures is a great group as well, but these are both CA based track run groups. Open track racing lets instructors run for free as long as they volunteer to instruct which is awesome. Speedventures charges.

[rogue]

That looks like a blast! Videos like that are a bad influence on me, I see that and want to sell my "toys" and build a track car.

Someday.

It says 1969 Firebird in your sig....

I saw a guy running a Cadillac DTS rental I see no reason why you can't run your firebird :thumbsup: I ran the Roval at Cal Speedway with a 4speed, manual steering, and drum brakes....

Run what ya brung, and have fun doing so!

[rogue]

great pics. Thanks for sharing.

Is that a Cadillac DTS hanging with you guys?

Northstars don't lack torque.... That rental car was hauling on the straights and leaning like a yacht in the turns. Absolutely AWESOME. The driver was 65+ years old as well and knew the line :thumbsup:

[rogue]

Great vids. Awesome eclectic mix of cars too.

Yeah it was a fun day, lots of surprises out there for the day. I was excited as all hell to see that indy car run. Cool :thumbsup:

[rogue]

So, Rogue and RSR Guy are talking after the session:

Rogue: Hey man, that was really cool chasing you around the track!

RSR Guy: Oh- you're the guy in the old Camaro?

Rogue: Yeah- that's me!

RSR Guy: Oh OK cool. Ya- that was a good time!

Rogue: I was filming the whole thing on my in-car video. I can't wait to watch it!

RSR Guy: Oh wow! That's awesome- I'd love a copy!

Rogue makes the guy a DVD, and he rushes home to watch it.

...whereupon he hears Rogue calling him every nasty name in the book...:lol:

Pretty much. The instructor was just toying with me anyway. I believe he and another instructor came out for the sole purpose of having with with the camaro. He was on street tires without his aero. That cars capable of running a 1:29 at big willow. I was running 1:41....

On the straights I was catching him, on the turns, he was GONE, on street tires. I learned a lot from his lines. Next event I want to ride with Jack and get some instruction from him. I introduced myself to him at lunch and thanked him for one of the best times I've ever had on a track. It was a blast. :hail:

I hear Mary Pozzi has quite a sailor mouth while driving too, so I'm not alone :rofl:

[rogue]

Cool video.. good job representing us "old Camaros" lol

:thumbsup:

Your name was brought up. John, photographer for Car Craft was out there. Bald guy, real soft spoken and nice. I told him I'm constantly giving you **** about your fancy paint ;)

We really need to get everyone together. I want to meet you and the Pozzis, and attempt to either destroy, hang, or fail miserably keeping up with Penny. :thumbsup:

[rogue]

so the car you were following is known as BB2 or Black Beauty 2 and the owner is Jack Olsen. He is an AWESOME dude and really a great guy to everyone. His car is much faster than :40s :) and I HIGHLY recommend asking him for a ride in his car. You (and I with my V8 914) have the HP to climb on him or leave him in the straights, but corners are what matters.

I have only trusted 2 people... ever... to drive on a track while I rode along and he is one of those two people. He takes T3 differently than I do but everywhere else I have followed him with my car when I was out there and vice-versa and can say he is a solid guy (this was before I went tube chassis, etc and moving to CO 3 yrs ago). He has gone back to few aero aids but it is still a fast car.

Work on T1 - you are leaving a LOT on the table hugging the inside of that turn on exit because that is a fast turn and scraping that much mph is loosing significant time. I say any chance you get to go out with that group, go and if Jack is there follow him every chance you get and you will definitely learn from him. Tho' I like an earlier line thru 3, that can be just how your car works so you need to figure that for yourself. I am a momentum driver even tho' I have a ton of right foot "momentum" on tap, I prefer to ease thru v. brute force T3.

The other guy I trusted to ride with had a later model 911 and I just had to see what it was like to go 'round in the :28s :unibrow: Man I miss that track!!!!!!!

Yes! Jack! I tracked him down and thanked him. He was snickering as was the whole table of instructors, so it was pretty obvious he was just out there having fun with the old 69 camaro. Very nice guy and I learned a lot just by following him. I regret not talking to him more and asking him to ride along and put me in check for a session. Next time hopefully.

I was having brake pedal issues so you'll notice I was pumping the breaks before every turn to make sure I had a firm pedal. Need to bleed the wilwoods and get a power bleeder I think.

T1 definitely is a much faster turn than I was taking it, but the brake issues were keeping me from putting absolute confidence in them. If I can't get a solid reliable pedal out of the manual wilwoods I'm going to add hydroboost. Definitely kept me from running as hard as I could, but it was still faster than previous outings. Power steering is a must. I didn't venture offtrack once this time, something I commend the power steering for.


Its a track truly suited to high horsepower cars and drivers with balls. Not for the weak minded thats for sure. Entering turn 8/9 I was in 5th about 130mph. Without the rear spoiler it was too hairball so I dropped the speed and kept it lower throughout the day until following Jack around. What a fun day and good run group to play with. Kailo is hilarious and every person I met is good people. Had a blast. I need to get some more instruction, but first work on this brake issue and the rear aero.

[rogue]

I'm still waiting on the 'professional' photos from the track. They got a few of me in full 4 wheel drift with my hand out the window giving a thumbs up :thumbsup:

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Easy rider baby

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How to pack.

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Colder than all hell. I had two sweaters and a t-shirt on and was still cold..

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My tall goofy ass dwarfing the car
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My friend/navigator is tall as hell as well :lol:

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the organizer Kailo's toys...

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How the timing setup was. The Trackmaster app works GREAT as a simple laptimer and data logger. Can't beat the $5 price. Rupp do you run this in penny?
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[byndbad914]

Dane - you are 100% correct about Kailo and the group as a whole, probably one of the coolest groups of people I ever ran with (other than when me and 19 or so workmates/friends would rent the track :unibrow: )

So I highly recommend to anyone thinking of lapping to look them up. This is NOT wheel 2 wheel (W2W) by any means as you can see in the vids - it is gentleman's driving with point by passes, etc - because everyone wants to go home with all four fenders in place so it really is a great way to actually learn how to drive a car.

Jack I think is getting out to the track on a more regular basis, he had his first kid awhile back and that kept him grounded at home quite a bit but he is making it out more from what I can tell on the Porsche board he frequents.

As for T7-9, I don't know if Jack would ever remember but it was maybe the first time I ever went out with them now that I recall, but I was in front of him and we went up and over the hump and I went inside a bit too far and hit the whooptie-do of a bump there and the whole car felt like it shifted a foot to the left almost instantly and he flat dropped out of the gas expecting me to lose it. 'Course that didn't happen ;) :D and I managed to keep the throttle planted and drive thru it, but man that was a pucker moment.

Same day I found out the gear ratios for my trans I found online were incorrect and I thought I was just cruising the front stretch and way off my mph wanting to keep him up with me. I looked up near the end going into T1 and I couldn't even see him in my mirror. I thought I was rolling along holding 115-120mph when I was actually shifting into 4th at 140mph! I was hitting 155-160 when I was actually on it :thumbsup:

Dammit I love that track! MPH monster.

[nicks67ca]

Awesome I enjoyed the videos and pictures....Thanks for posting.

[70rs]

Awesome Dane! Thank you very much for sharing this with us. Every time I see videos or pictures of your track trips it makes me nuts, because I want to go do it too!

That RSR is a really cool car. I would love to take a few laps in that too!

I am hoping there will be a NW get together this spring here. I will have to go get a rental to beat on since my car is not done. But that Caddy gives me some ideas......:unibrow:

Thanks again, I hope to see the Mini in one of these videos soon.

[89 RS]

Awesome Dane. Thanks for posting the vid and pics, always look forward to seeing the track experiences. :thumbsup:

[BC69]

Great stuff!

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but seems like its got the right people for the answer. Do you need your SCCA license to go to track days like this? Have been thinking of finishing up racing school to get a license, but its $$$$. Do you need it for these type of events?

[byndbad914]

Great stuff!

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but seems like its got the right people for the answer. Do you need your SCCA license to go to track days like this? Have been thinking of finishing up racing school to get a license, but its $$$$. Do you need it for these type of events?
No, so therein lies some of the risk in running with open clubs. However, they will want to know your experience upfront and will make you start in the "slow" group for lack of a better word. These guys run 3 groups and many race clubs have similar format - slow, med and fast group. Often you will hear the flag colors used so blue group will typically be newbies or slow cars (you can be Mario but show up in a Civic daily driver and likely won't be allowed in the Red group), the while group (or often times the other color is yellow group) is the mid roaders, and the red group is the fast stuff. So Jack in BB2 would normally run in the red group, but as with anything, the better you are, the more you are allowed to run in whatever group you want, so I have used blue group stuff to get some testing on my setup changes in between red group sessions, then hit the red group hard, or have another opportunity to change setup while white/yellow is running.

Lots of words, but hopefully that pre-answers some other FAQs regarding this type of event.

NOW, if you go to an open track day at the race track itself, not with a specific group at that track, just track mgmt, then those are straight dangerous to be honest, but I run them all the time. :cool: Dangerous because they tend to be not too concerned about skill, etc and there tends to not be a set grouping with those, just hit that track and see what happens. I have had some hairy stuff happen at those events, like a newb running off the line, etc and I assume it is to let people by, I am rolling 150mph in the stretch and all of a sudden they just come on line. That has happened twice now so I am way way cautious running those days now. First time I figured it was just an idiot, second time I start to fear patterns with newbs and why I now highly recommend a newbie actually taking classes with SCCA and paying the money - it is safer because they actually one on one assess your skills and can help you fix bad tendencies before they become bad habits. :thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

Dane great video!!.Now I am going too the garage & sit in my camaro and see the motor will start that's all I can do.You guys in cali have all the good weather.It hasen't stopped raining for a week.:( :mad:

[ArisESQ]

constantly. There are tons of groups out there that run.

So far I've run with speedventures and this new (to me) group Open Track Racing. They book track time and you pay a portion of the rental, usually around $200, sometimes as low as $120. Bigger tracks like Laguna Seca can cost up to $300...

Look at the schedules of the tracks you want to drive on and find organizations running and contact them to see if they'll let you run.

The two I have mentioned are both great groups, but Open track racing defitely is a lot more laid back and fun. Kailo is an AWESOME guy and so is his wife. Every single person I met was nice as all can be.

Speedventures is a great group as well, but these are both CA based track run groups. Open track racing lets instructors run for free as long as they volunteer to instruct which is awesome. Speedventures charges.

I'm def gonna look into that.

[rogue]

Not very happy with the quality of these photos, but here they are. No sense of speed...



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A little predictable sliding

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RSR hot on my tail

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nice drift
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Easy rider helmet got a lot of laughs...

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[70rs]

No, so therein lies some of the risk in running with open clubs. However, they will want to know your experience upfront and will make you start in the "slow" group for lack of a better word. These guys run 3 groups and many race clubs have similar format - slow, med and fast group. Often you will hear the flag colors used so blue group will typically be newbies or slow cars (you can be Mario but show up in a Civic daily driver and likely won't be allowed in the Red group), the while group (or often times the other color is yellow group) is the mid roaders, and the red group is the fast stuff. So Jack in BB2 would normally run in the red group, but as with anything, the better you are, the more you are allowed to run in whatever group you want, so I have used blue group stuff to get some testing on my setup changes in between red group sessions, then hit the red group hard, or have another opportunity to change setup while white/yellow is running.

Lots of words, but hopefully that pre-answers some other FAQs regarding this type of event.

NOW, if you go to an open track day at the race track itself, not with a specific group at that track, just track mgmt, then those are straight dangerous to be honest, but I run them all the time. :cool: Dangerous because they tend to be not too concerned about skill, etc and there tends to not be a set grouping with those, just hit that track and see what happens. I have had some hairy stuff happen at those events, like a newb running off the line, etc and I assume it is to let people by, I am rolling 150mph in the stretch and all of a sudden they just come on line. That has happened twice now so I am way way cautious running those days now. First time I figured it was just an idiot, second time I start to fear patterns with newbs and why I now highly recommend a newbie actually taking classes with SCCA and paying the money - it is safer because they actually one on one assess your skills and can help you fix bad tendencies before they become bad habits. :thumbsup:

Great info Tim. Answered a lot of my questions there. Thank you.

Dane- The pictures are nice and clear and with the suspension in as much compression as it is I can tell you were doing a fair click on the track. I dig the helmet!:thumbsup:

[Jack Olsen]

Eight months later -- I just found this thread. I hope no one minds it I bump it back up.

Here's the odd thing. The Car Craft photographer who was out that day is also the guy who just wrote up my garage for the magazine's 'This Guy's Garage' section in their April issue.

How often do you get to see a 38-year-old 911 in Car Craft? :thumbsup:

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I was looking at late-sixties Camaros when I found my 911 eleven years ago. I ended up with the Porsche for a few different reasons, but I still think the first-generation Camaro is maybe the best-looking American car ever.

I still watch that video Dane shot. It's fun to see my own car on the track, but I swear he has to brake sometimes to keep from rear ending me on the straights. :willy:

Let me start my list of excuses. I was down pretty significantly on horsepower that day -- basically running on five cylinders after the rings gave up on cylinder #1. The engine had been in the car for ten years and was on its last legs. Oh, and I'm not allowed to pass any cars in that group if they don't give me a hand signal -- and I'm not allowed to pass in the corners at all.

I swapped a new (used) engine into the Porsche in August. The new one should make about 20 more horsepower. But we're still talking pretty modest numbers -- officially, Porsche says they got 272 at the crank from the 1995 air-cooled flat six I now have in my 1972 tub.

The license plate on the car is '1972 RSR,' but that's a kind of inside joke. 1972 was the last year that Porsche didn't make an RSR model. The first time it existed was in 1973 -- and those cars sell for over a million bucks now.

Mine is a plain old 1972 base-model 911. But I've put in an engine from a 1995 911, a magnesium transaxle from a 1977, and brakes from the 1986 Turbo model. The car is pretty light -- 2700 pounds with me in it. So it doesn't take a huge amount of power to get it around the track quickly.

It's not a track car, per se -- it's a daily driver that's got a cage and fire system in it (mostly because I crashed the previous version at Laguna Seca and figured my 'walked away without a scratch card' had been used up). For actual racing, I'd get rid of all the interior amenities and put in a fuel cell.

I drive this car to the track and run it on the same tires I use for driving around town.

For Willow Springs, I bolt on a wing and front spoiler. They fit inside the car for the ride home, but make the car a lot less scary going through turns 8 and 9. I made all the aero stuff in my garage -- the rear wing is just 3M structural adhesive and aluminum flashing that's made for roof repairs. I tested it with wool tufts and ride-height sensors from a 1995 Lincoln Continental's air ride system.

Here's the way the car looks all done-up for a fast lap at Willow:

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And if anyone wants to see what an entire driving session looks like, here's a full video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNOsH7CEMqs) from the last time I was at Willow, two weeks ago. There's not enough traffic to make for very entertaining viewing, but watching it will give you a (repeated) snapshot of the driving line for Willow.

My best lap time with the old engine (in its prime) was a 1:29.11. I still haven't gotten back there, even with the 20 extra horses. I blame the arrival of my first kid on that. My self-preservation instinct has slowed me down. But this video shows a bunch of 1:30s and a couple of 1:29s, so I'm getting closer to my pre-Daddy speeds.

Dane, you should come back out. Open Track Racing is back at Willow in March. I'd be happy to take you out in my car or ride along in yours. I can tell you what I know about the oldest and fastest* road course in North America.

*Oldest purpose-built course that's been continuously operated, and fastest in terms of average lap speed.

[NOT A TA]

Welcome to the forum Jack! Have seen your car on Pelican, and remember seeing the garage in the magazine.
Dane, take him up on the offer for ride alongs!!

[vinz68]

Great vids!!!! Glad I saw this thread!!:thumbsup:

[Sieg]

Welcome Jack, love the RSR! My first real job was at the local Porsche dealer in the summer of '76.

[Flash68]

Great in car video, Jack. THanks for sharing that. :thumbsup:

[byndbad914]

I wasn't sure what it was about the garage that made it worthy of a magazine shoot... then I saw the Bat Phone. :D

Fun to see you over on this forum. I have been working a lot on the 914 and designed a whole new dual A front and rear suspension and installed it last year. Testing on Halloween and December here in CO had the car within 3-4 seconds of RSRs (about 4.5 seconds off the record) on the 2.55 mile track here, and the National Champion in SCCA T1 is here and I was running at his record times on a 49 degree day with cold slicks so the car is really starting to cook. Would be fun to know what it would do at WSIR these days but that is a heck of a drive. Can't wait for some consistent spring weather when the temps are in the 70s to get the car out and really be able to push it.

[rogue]

Jack I don't post here often any more.

I put March in my calendar. I'll try and be out there.

email me your phone # [email protected]

[Ron in SoCal]

D*mn Jack. I've got a 993 in the garage. Probably has 30 more hp than yours. Think I can bring it over to your garage and shave 800 lbs? :unibrow: