9 sec pt cars

[IndyNova]

allright fellas, I need your helping in winning an discussion with my buddy who is the "traditional" drag car car, and doesn't like pt cars, but he's helping me on mine :D anyway, if you guys could send some pics/links to show him that there are some 9 sec pt cars that can do more than go in astraight line. thanks again! :lateral:

[GregWeld]

Never happened....


:rofl: :rofl:

[WSSix]

Vinny has done it with his Blue 68?. Car has air ride and lifts the tires on launch. gets autocrossed regularly as well.

Tony, Nineball(I think he's on here too), went 10s with a 69 he had a few years ago. Magnacharged 6.0. It lifted the front on launch as well.

[GregWeld]

Trey --

10's aren't 9's...

HUGE difference


:D

[WSSix]

True, but 10s are damn good and Vinny's car has gone 9s on spray 10s without.

[6spdcamaro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-KzUwTvb5I :unibrow:

[GregWeld]

Okay -- Nice!! Notice him pushing the front tires thru the lights... Needs a trans brake!

Now -- what's his Auto X look like??

[speedjohnston]

I was kinda hoping I might hit an 8..... :_paranoid

[6spdcamaro]

skip to about the one minute mark, the rest is just talking :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpuivFnf2bo
Okay -- Nice!! Notice him pushing the front tires thru the lights... Needs a trans brake!

Now -- what's his Auto X look like??

[Vegas69]

Damn that big block sounds good. Only 496 cubes...:unibrow:

[ProdigyCustoms]

Okay -- Nice!! Notice him pushing the front tires thru the lights... Needs a trans brake!

Now -- what's his Auto X look like??

Actually he won RTTHs a couple years ago. Vinny is a driver and the car is fast in every way.

I think a PT car that can drag race is a cool idea. I have PT cars, I have a drag car. Someday I would like to build something to do both.

[Vegas69]

Dude....that's a great idea.

[NOT A TA]

Bretts 70 Firebird "Splitter" 9.3s? http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=7983&highlight=splitter

[96z28ss]

Trey --

10's aren't 9's...

HUGE difference


:D

Hope you learn something from this thread Greg.

[GregWeld]

But if I didn't challenge the notion -- it wouldn't set everyone out to prove me to be an idiot! That's why I lob grenades in threads all the time... it MAKES people think and dig... :rofl:

[GregWeld]

Frank! I know a shop that could do that for ya!
:rofl:

[Junkie]

Im hoping my car will go 8's. But that'll be in "drag trim"

Im taking a prostreet car and going with some nice street wheels, adding a very nice interior, AC, heat, etc.....Goal is to have a car that i can drive anywhere. Run 8's in the 1/4 and well over 200mph in the mile. Im thinking 1300+ wheel should do that pretty well. Then maybe a gear vendors added to the Lenco :thumbsup:

[6spdcamaro]

The cover car for Super Chevy a while ago was a blue 69 camaro that ran 10:30's on detroit speed suspension... but than again :_paranoid
Trey --

10's aren't 9's...

HUGE difference


:D

[chr2002ca]

Bretts 70 Firebird "Splitter" 9.3s? http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=7983&highlight=splitter

I was going to mention Project Splitter as well. I believe Brett did get it into the 9's on the dragstrip(using a different set of front and rear tires) but I don't recall seeing him ever road racing or autocrossing it as it was also designed to do. If I remember correctly, I believe the weight(4100+lbs) might have kept it from being effective in road racing. Maybe the new owner made some mods. Who knows. The lumpy carbureted large displacement big block might cause some people to argue about it being 'pro-touring', but it seems like a pro-touring car to me, and it did run 9's with a tire swap.

[ProdigyCustoms]

I have 18s for my street drag car with ladder bars, doesn't mean it handles cause it has 18s.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Then maybe a gear vendors added to the Lenco :thumbsup:


Autocrossing and Road Racing with a Lenco? Hum! Got me thinking now!

[Junkie]

Autocrossing and Road Racing with a Lenco? Hum! Got me thinking now!

No autocrossing for me. I will have the car on a road course at least once im sure just to say ive done it. It will see ALOT of street time and spend some time at the Texas mile and local drag strips pretty often as well.:thumbsup:

[MtotheIKEo]

Tracking a car with a Lenco sounds like a liability

[Junkie]

Tracking a car with a Lenco sounds like a liability

It wont be a serious all out run, just to run around a road course so the car has done it. Goal is to have a street car i can drive anywhere, run 8's in the 1/4 and 200+ in the mile. I cant think of any other trans that will support the power it takes to push a heavy car that far. Ive had way to much bad luck with T56's in the past to put those in any high hp vehicle

[GregWeld]

I don't want to start an argument here - mostly because I don't really "care" - but an 8 second car is all about weight transfer to the rear - and hooking up - and a 200 mph + car is all about keeping the wind out of the bottom and downforces and low drag.... and Lencos are drag race pieces... and drag race tires and widths are one thing - and 200 mph tires and wheels are quiet different.

And I'll stand by my statement === 10's are WAY different than 9's - and 8's are even more serious... and a 9.98 is a 10 in my book not a legitimate 9....
while it might be semantics... it's 2 one hundredths into the 9's -- which is not a 9.3 car... or anywhere near it.

Just saying.... The argument that was trying to be settled was -- run 9's and handle a road course.... I suppose a guy could say it ran 9.98 and he is technically correct... but 10's and 9's are vastly different. As in about 10 car lengths at the end of a quarter mile assuming equal lights. That is a HUGE difference....

[J2SpeedandCustom]

I tell all my customers that want this type of car. "You can build a great street car OR a great race car. If you try to build both you end up with a slow race car and an uncomfortable street car! :yes:

You have to make too many compromises to get a "best of both world" setup. Suspension that works in a straight line and is adjustable doesn't like to turn, and one that turns doesn't like to transfer weight / have adjustments for track conditions. Just my $.02

[jr421]

Greg must be a drag race guy because his logic is dead on. Some guys will try to make 9's with spray and stages but those cars are not usually very consistant. I have assembled a lot of high HP engines at my friend Joes, but he tells all of his clients HP is just one part of the equation to get into the 9's or to any other desired ET. (You gotta Hook up) to get to the other end.

[GregWeld]

I tell all my customers that want this type of car. "You can build a great street car OR a great race car. If you try to build both you end up with a slow race car and an uncomfortable street car! :yes:

You have to make too many compromises to get a "best of both world" setup. Suspension that works in a straight line and is adjustable doesn't like to turn, and one that turns doesn't like to transfer weight / have adjustments for track conditions. Just my $.02

That was my point.... but I don't like arguments... and there's always someone willing to argue... But the two contests are vastly different cars... and PT is vastly different from drag racing...

If you look at my first post - where I say "Never happened" -- I post up TWO ROFLMA faces.. because first of all I KNOW that I was poking fun at the whole notion... but also know there are some SMOKIN' quick PT cars... a car that runs 12's is pretty sweet... and a car capable of 10's is really getting the job done -- and REAL 9's (9.1 - 9.2 - 9.3 - 9.4 -- because anything else is 9.5's which is a different car altogether)...

When I pit crewed for McCulluch and Whipple - the difference between 7.1 and a 7.0 was a WORLD RECORD... :rofl:

The video of the blue Camaro is really impressive btw! :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

I tell all my customers that want this type of car. "You can build a great street car OR a great race car. If you try to build both you end up with a slow race car and an uncomfortable street car! :yes:

You have to make too many compromises to get a "best of both world" setup. Suspension that works in a straight line and is adjustable doesn't like to turn, and one that turns doesn't like to transfer weight / have adjustments for track conditions. Just my $.02

Isn't that kind of the point of PT. Have a car capable of doing multiple things reasonably well? I do agree that it makes for a slow race car but not neccesarily an uncomfortable car. It's when you get inot full cages, race belts on the street, no AC or radio, high rate coil springs, solid motor mounts, that is gets uncomfortable. It all comes down to your goals. There has to be a line where it's no longer a PT car. That is one of the downsides I can see with the Optima Challenge and other events. The competitive juices may eventually make some of us lose site of the original finish line. A car just as capable of going out to dinner with the AC on and your favorite tunes blasting as it is on the race track.

I'll give you a perfect example of walking the line between race and pt. If it was race only I could've spent $250 on a new clutch disc. But I want a bullet proof clutch on the race track that won't chatter on the street. Thus $900 later I have a new clutch.

[GregWeld]

Todd --

Your statement is well thought out... and the COBRA (Optima Invitational) which won hands down - is not a PT car.... never was... never will be. The cars it beat... were arguably the very very best of the PT scene... and while they were beat by mere seconds (or 10ths of seconds - and stopping distances measured in feet not yards)... Those mere 10ths seemed like miles when you were watching it. It was vastly superior... but Gwen nor Kelli would want to go downtown in it. Well.... maybe.... :rofl:

[jr421]

Well this thread has made me decide to scrap my next project plans. I was planning to build an 8 second shopping cart! I knew multi tasking was a bad idea! :_paranoid

[GregWeld]

JR -- Check out the "pump gas drags" -- where the cars are driven on the street - get a limited amount of gas - and a couple are "into" the 8's... Many of the "street cars" couldn't even finish the 30 mile drive to the track... I can't imagine them competing in an auto cross -- or being "drivable" at 200 mph... Which BTW to me is not "hitting 200 mph" but driving a flying mile at 200... big difference from "hitting" 200....

[Junkie]

So what would you consider an 8 second muscle car that can be driven anywhere with all the luxuries of a newer more comfortable car. AC/Heater/sound system/comfy interior, etc.... That can also go well over 200 in the mile? It doesn't sound like that fits the bill for "protouring" Handling has never been my biggest concern hence my starting off with a prostreet based car and turning it more to the street side, but making enough power to go do whatever i would like to do. :cheers:

[MtotheIKEo]

I wouldn't call anything with a Lenco or Liberty a street car to begin with. A cage that's legal for an 8sec car is not only a pain in the ass in a street car, but likely dangerous to be in without being strapped in and wearing a helmet.

[Vegas69]

Todd --

Your statement is well thought out... and the COBRA (Optima Invitational) which won hands down - is not a PT car.... never was... never will be. The cars it beat... were arguably the very very best of the PT scene... and while they were beat by mere seconds (or 10ths of seconds - and stopping distances measured in feet not yards)... Those mere 10ths seemed like miles when you were watching it. It was vastly superior... but Gwen nor Kelli would want to go downtown in it. Well.... maybe.... :rofl:


That's a good point. That cobra really is a purpose built race car and isn't what most of us consider an ideal pro-touring car. The second place finisher was really the winner in our circle in my eyes. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have one and Kelli would jump in anyday!

[Junkie]

I wouldn't call anything with a Lenco or Liberty a street car to begin with.

Why not? Ive daily driven much worse.

[GregWeld]

So what would you consider an 8 second muscle car that can be driven anywhere with all the luxuries of a newer more comfortable car. AC/Heater/sound system/comfy interior, etc.... That can also go well over 200 in the mile? It doesn't sound like that fits the bill for "protouring" Handling has never been my biggest concern hence my starting off with a prostreet based car and turning it more to the street side, but making enough power to go do whatever i would like to do. :cheers:

Junkie --

Okay -- go here....

http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini--Gallardo-Drag-Racing.html

Then come back here -- and tell me what you're going to build that is going to SPANK this car by TEN --- COUNT 'em TEN - car lengths in the quarter mile....

Maybe you could do an 8.99 and beat it by a nose....?? And "say" you ran 8's?


:rofl: :rofl:

[68protouring454]

vinnys car hauls, we built the 496 combo. It runs 10.60 flat on motor, ran the 9.98 on a 100 shot, but the progressive controller took a dump and 100 shot is all the tires wanted, he actually needed to run a wot switch on that run however he had to arm the nx after he was out of the hole.lol. hes got got the new progressive controller and will give it a 200 shot over a few seconds and see what it does. I am betting 9.60s

[Junkie]

Junkie --

Okay -- go here....

http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini--Gallardo-Drag-Racing.html

Then come back here -- and tell me what you're going to build that is going to SPANK this car by TEN --- COUNT 'em TEN - car lengths in the quarter mile....

Maybe you could do an 8.99 and beat it by a nose....?? And "say" you ran 8's?


:rofl: :rofl:

Ive very familiar with the underground racing cars. Ive currently got a TT Viper street car. Just because it is new doesn't mean it is comfy or a nice "street" car by any means. The Lambo's those guys build are CRAZY after seeing them at the Mile i would love to have one but for the money i would personally rather build exactly what i want out of an older car.

I never said i ran 8's, i said my goal is an 8 second ET and well over 200mph in the texas mile while being able to drive the car out to dinner, to car meets, to anything i really want. Why do you have a problem with those goals?

[GregWeld]

vinnys car hauls, we built the 496 combo. It runs 10.60 flat on motor, ran the 9.98 on a 100 shot, but the progressive controller took a dump and 100 shot is all the tires wanted, he actually needed to run a wot switch on that run however he had to arm the nx after he was out of the hole.lol. hes got got the new progressive controller and will give it a 200 shot over a few seconds and see what it does. I am betting 9.60s

Is he running DIFFERENT tires than he runs on the street?

The cars at OPTIMA could not change suspension settings - and could not change tires... To me (IMHO) this is a big difference... because if you can do all this on ONE SET of STREET tires and wheels... that's pretty dang impressive!

Vinnies car is very impressive by the way -- nice job! You could tell from the smile on his face HE LOVES IT... and after all... that's all that really counts.
:cheers:

[GregWeld]

Ive very familiar with the underground racing cars. Ive currently got a TT Viper street car. Just because it is new doesn't mean it is comfy or a nice "street" car by any means. The Lambo's those guys build are CRAZY after seeing them at the Mile i would love to have one but for the money i would personally rather build exactly what i want out of an older car.

I never said i ran 8's, i said my goal is an 8 second ET and well over 200mph in the texas mile while being able to drive the car out to dinner, to car meets, to anything i really want. Why do you have a problem with those goals?

I don't!! Don't get me wrong -- it's always hard to impart "attitude" in a blog - or post -- I'm having FUN discussing this... I'm not trying to beat you down or prove my point -- RATHER -- I'm discussing how truly difficult it is... not saying you can't or you won't - or anything like that. My apologies if that's the way I came across!

[Junkie]

I don't!! Don't get me wrong -- it's always hard to impart "attitude" in a blog - or post -- I'm having FUN discussing this... I'm not trying to beat you down or prove my point -- RATHER -- I'm discussing how truly difficult it is... not saying you can't or you won't - or anything like that. My apologies if that's the way I came across!

well ive been racing cars for awhile and breaking parts along the way, i know that my goals are VERY large and not easy to obtain but i think that is kind of the cool part about it. I personally don't mind driving a complicated transmission on the street (I'm sure my trans choice will make a lot of ppl say "racecar") but its better then breaking a T56 every few months. A nice BBC and procharger, the right gear, and suspension i don't see why one of these cars wont be able to go well into the 8's and at least 210mph in the standing mile. My Viper with only 800ish at the tires went 207 on the limiter, if i had a taller tire or different gear it would have went faster.

The combo will just have to be nailed, the only thing i cant really figure out as of now is the wheel/tire combo for the street and Mile runs and what to do about Aero, if anything. This is where i could really use some advice, i know Big Red was able to achieve well over 200mph but that was over a longer stretch of road then I'm trying to do it on.

[jr421]

JR -- Check out the "pump gas drags" -- where the cars are driven on the street - get a limited amount of gas - and a couple are "into" the 8's... Many of the "street cars" couldn't even finish the 30 mile drive to the track... I can't imagine them competing in an auto cross -- or being "drivable" at 200 mph... Which BTW to me is not "hitting 200 mph" but driving a flying mile at 200... big difference from "hitting" 200....

I have read of this event and you are very correct, alot of the cars barely or don't make it through the cruise section of the event. Lets face it a drag car is a drag car, they are very specific to a task. At least when you are building a PT car it has similar atributes to a road/track car, stance wide tires ect. The drag race guys HATE turns!

[Tweaked Zed]

I have read of this event and you are very correct, alot of the cars barely or don't make it through the cruise section of the event. Lets face it a drag car is a drag car, they are very specific to a task. At least when you are building a PT car it has similar atributes to a road/track car, stance wide tires ect. The drag race guys HATE turns!

And the PT guys hate short straightaways..... this is an old topic for sure. But everyone has very good points. The only way to do it all is to either build two (or three) different cars, or decide what you like doing best and build for that. I've gone too far with my 95 to enjoy it alot on the highway, but can still do a highway trip no problem with the T56. This is a 9-second car, and still has full leather interior. But it's not quiet.... hence not overly enjoyable on a trip. The 69 will be quiet, have AC, T56, and stereo and WILL be enjoyable to drive everywhere and go around corners. It is funny I'm making the 69 everything that the 95 WAS..... IQ of a houseplant right here. But it will never be a track car because that necessitates removing all the options and weight. Remember that. Settle for only one goal.... or buy three cars!

[6spdcamaro]

I think vinnie has a set of forgelines with street tires, and he has a ccw drag pack with skinnies in the front. I haven't watched that video in a while so all i remembered was 9:somthin,somthin. I think it's unrealistic to get a car on (real) street tires in the 9's. A 9:98's still pretty good considering he does well in the autocross :yes:
Is he running DIFFERENT tires than he runs on the street?

The cars at OPTIMA could not change suspension settings - and could not change tires... To me (IMHO) this is a big difference... because if you can do all this on ONE SET of STREET tires and wheels... that's pretty dang impressive!

Vinnies car is very impressive by the way -- nice job! You could tell from the smile on his face HE LOVES IT... and after all... that's all that really counts.
:cheers:

[speedjohnston]

well ive been racing cars for awhile and breaking parts along the way, i know that my goals are VERY large and not easy to obtain but i think that is kind of the cool part about it. I personally don't mind driving a complicated transmission on the street (I'm sure my trans choice will make a lot of ppl say "racecar") but its better then breaking a T56 every few months. A nice BBC and procharger, the right gear, and suspension i don't see why one of these cars wont be able to go well into the 8's and at least 210mph in the standing mile. My Viper with only 800ish at the tires went 207 on the limiter, if i had a taller tire or different gear it would have went faster.

The combo will just have to be nailed, the only thing i cant really figure out as of now is the wheel/tire combo for the street and Mile runs and what to do about Aero, if anything. This is where i could really use some advice, i know Big Red was able to achieve well over 200mph but that was over a longer stretch of road then I'm trying to do it on.

Big Red used to hit about 222mph or something like that many years ago. Off the top of my head I think he hit 204ish mph in the mile. Some of the 1 mile venues will only allow specific tires once your speeds get higher, so be carefull and check with them first. I have a similar engine combo (581bbc with a F2) built for high speed road racing/drag/one mile events in a second gen camaro and done lots of research on aero. I also talked to Keith Turk who held records in land speed racing and I believe he recomended the drag radial, I bought the M/T 345/35/18's. I'll change them to something else if I have to before I go. He also recomended as low as possible in the front with a slight rake to the back and some speed rated thin tires up front. The bigger tires probably will help you get off the line but they will end up hurting top end, and since its speed based not time based, smaller may be a little better. The other issue is the gearing and the most likely for me was going to be a gear vendor and some 3.00 or 2.80 gears. There are so many factors I could go on and on.... :cheers:

[ProdigyCustoms]

So what would you consider an 8 second muscle car that can be driven anywhere with all the luxuries of a newer more comfortable car. AC/Heater/sound system/comfy interior, etc.... That can also go well over 200 in the mile? It doesn't sound like that fits the bill for "protouring" Handling has never been my biggest concern hence my starting off with a prostreet based car and turning it more to the street side, but making enough power to go do whatever i would like to do. :cheers:

Keep in mind you are on the Latera-G forum and the G is for handling. So guys here are looking for somethig that handles and runs the dragstrip.

It would really take some serious talent and ingenuity to do 8 second ET's, handling to compete with the best PT cars, 200 mile Maxton and total streetability.

The Trans Am was brought up, but as mentioned that car never really did road coarse or autocross that we know of. At least not that any of use seen. Seemed like more of a sledge hammer with 18s on it to me.

Vinny is king right now as I have seen that car kick ass on the autocross, WIN the autocross, and be the fastest car at the dragstrip to. I suspect if he lowers that dragstrip number to 9.60 as Jake is predicting (and i agree), I think someone better do some serious planning to knock that off.

All I know is you guys are making me want to knock the dust of my street drag car, that's for sure!

[Vegas69]

You've been saying that since I met you.:P

[parsonsj]

It would really take some serious talent and ingenuity to do 8 second ET's, handling to compete with the best PT cars, 200 mile Maxton and total streetability. I think you'd need an unfair advantage to pull that off.

jp

[Greg from Aus]

I think you'd need an unfair advantage to pull that off.

jp

Yes I think you would need a real unfair advantage, hey guys :unibrow:

Greg

[Junkie]

Big Red used to hit about 222mph or something like that many years ago. Off the top of my head I think he hit 204ish mph in the mile. Some of the 1 mile venues will only allow specific tires once your speeds get higher, so be carefull and check with them first. I have a similar engine combo (581bbc with a F2) built for high speed road racing/drag/one mile events in a second gen camaro and done lots of research on aero. I also talked to Keith Turk who held records in land speed racing and I believe he recomended the drag radial, I bought the M/T 345/35/18's. I'll change them to something else if I have to before I go. He also recomended as low as possible in the front with a slight rake to the back and some speed rated thin tires up front. The bigger tires probably will help you get off the line but they will end up hurting top end, and since its speed based not time based, smaller may be a little better. The other issue is the gearing and the most likely for me was going to be a gear vendor and some 3.00 or 2.80 gears. There are so many factors I could go on and on.... :cheers:

i don't know how things are at the Maxton Mile but at the Texas Mile you have to be on a Zrated tire. If im not mistaken no no drag radials are speed rated. Its looking like the hoosier R6 is the best option as of now, just trying to get a wheel narrow enough for the rear so it doesn't look goofy. Do you own the 2nd gen with the funny car style hoops in the cage? Car looks like its going to be a total monster with a very similar motor/FI combo to me, what trans is going to go in it? and what rear end gear?

[speedjohnston]

i don't know how things are at the Maxton Mile but at the Texas Mile you have to be on a Zrated tire. If im not mistaken no no drag radials are speed rated. Its looking like the hoosier R6 is the best option as of now, just trying to get a wheel narrow enough for the rear so it doesn't look goofy. Do you own the 2nd gen with the funny car style hoops in the cage? Car looks like its going to be a total monster with a very similar motor/FI combo to me, what trans is going to go in it? and what rear end gear?

That is my car yes, and so far a special built turbo 400 with gear vendor is leading my choices but is not yet purchased. Probably with 2.8 gears and the M/T drag radials wich are about 27.5" tall.

[Junkie]

That is my car yes, and so far a special built turbo 400 with gear vendor is leading my choices but is not yet purchased. Probably with 2.8 gears and the M/T drag radials wich are about 27.5" tall.

Looking forward to seeing it, someone posted on Corvetteforum that your thinking about moving from a blow through to FI. You think a TH400 will live up to the abuse of a "street" car? Ive seen Rossler builds some high hp ones but ive never seen how long they lived. The fastest Viper in the Texas Mile ever was running a powerglide/gear vendors combo. Thats what ill be moving to if i dont like my Lenco.

[speedjohnston]

I'm also pretty sure they have let people use drag radials at texas, you may want to contact them and ask. Never hurts to call.

[MarkM66]

There's a member called "the camtender" with a '68 Camaro that runs 9.70, 175 mph at the texas mile event, and has run open road races.

http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49192

[speedjohnston]

Looking forward to seeing it, someone posted on Corvetteforum that your thinking about moving from a blow through to FI. You think a TH400 will live up to the abuse of a "street" car? Ive seen Rossler builds some high hp ones but ive never seen how long they lived. The fastest Viper in the Texas Mile ever was running a powerglide/gear vendors combo. Thats what ill be moving to if i dont like my Lenco.

I have considered FI but not untill I try everything with the carb. (my little friend likes to talk a lot) The Rosslers seem to last very well on the street behind a high horsepower engine from what I hear. They can also make it like a standard in that you have 'engine braking' to aid in road race type events unlike it would be for drag racing. ;)

[Steve Chryssos]

....because if you can do all this on ONE SET of STREET tires and wheels... that's pretty dang impressive!

Vinnies car is very impressive by the way -- nice job! You could tell from the smile on his face HE LOVES IT... and after all... that's all that really counts.
:cheers:

Yup Shocked runs DIFFERENT wheels and tires because it is wholly unreasonable and unsafe to run 9's on short sidewall street tires. No other parts are changed on the car except for the wheels and tires. So with just the help of a lug wrench, Vin drives the car on the street, has tracked the car at Pocono and Road Atlanta, won the last Year One Autocross, runner-upped at Run Thru The Hills 4 and clicked off a 9.98. It also was one of Camaro Performer's top 10 last year.

The car is an-in-your-face showcase for the versatility of Ridetech's Street Challenge Air Suspension and Twist Machine's manumatic technology.

Air springs and automatics work in pro-touring. Vinnie and Shocked also puts on one hell of a show for the crowd. He will be back out this year at Motor State and Run Thru the Hills.

Here is an autocross vid.
/Steevo
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[Junkie]

I'm also pretty sure they have let people use drag radials at texas, you may want to contact them and ask. Never hurts to call.

a group of us from DFW go every year, they will allow a DR but you will not be able to pass tech in for 190+. Thats why i switched from my DR's to my normal street wheels with Nitto Invos this past October. It seems like every year they are getting stricter and stricter on tech in :mad:

I have considered FI but not untill I try everything with the carb. (my little friend likes to talk a lot) The Rosslers seem to last very well on the street behind a high horsepower engine from what I hear. They can also make it like a standard in that you have 'engine braking' to aid in road race type events unlike it would be for drag racing. ;)

Full manual valve body is some very cool stuff. :thumbsup: From talking to Steve Morris he likes a carb a lot and it simplifies everything. Im sure you've made the same phone calls i have. I'll eventually be switching to FI but i want to shake the car down before i go that route. FI will yield much better street manors and mpg in most scenarios.


BTW in that vid is that the TCI 6spd auto with paddle shifters

[speedjohnston]

I did talk to Steve Morris many times. I Got all my procharger stuff from him.
Good to know about the drag radials there. I had considered the Hoosiers as well. I'm sure I'll wear out my first set of tires in initial testing before I do any 1 milers anyway. :cheers:

[Junkie]

I did talk to Steve Morris many times. I Got all my procharger stuff from him.
Good to know about the drag radials there. I had considered the Hoosiers as well. I'm sure I'll wear out my first set of tires in initial testing before I do any 1 milers anyway. :cheers:

Looking forward to seeing it! Are you going to make it for the October event?

[speedjohnston]

I am trying and finally getting somewhere, but its been costly and I want to try and stay married. lol
I will post on here when I am ready. I was hoping for some testing in mid summer so October may work out.

[Junkie]

I am trying and finally getting somewhere, but its been costly and I want to try and stay married. lol
I will post on here when I am ready. I was hoping for some testing in mid summer so October may work out.

Looking forward to seeing it run. If you ever come through DFW and need some help with something just let me know :thumbsup:

[speedjohnston]

Looking forward to seeing it run. If you ever come through DFW and need some help with something just let me know :thumbsup:

Will do! Thanks. :cheers:

[6D9]

Vinny's car is the sh*t! I love how the car can do anything with a simple tire/wheel change. Seems like the airride is the most versitile set up for drag/handling car. Has my wheels turning now.....

[jjarky]

I was going to mention Project Splitter as well. I believe Brett did get it into the 9's on the dragstrip(using a different set of front and rear tires) but I don't recall seeing him ever road racing or autocrossing it as it was also designed to do. If I remember correctly, I believe the weight(4100+lbs) might have kept it from being effective in road racing. Maybe the new owner made some mods. Who knows. The lumpy carbureted large displacement big block might cause some people to argue about it being 'pro-touring', but it seems like a pro-touring car to me, and it did run 9's with a tire swap.

I agree with "The lumpy carbureted large displacement big block might cause some people to argue about it being 'pro-touring". Exactly what I was thinking. It sounded nasty when it was staging in the video. Don't think that would be very user friendly from stop light to stop light in 90 degree heat. Last thing we need is another "what is pro-touring" debate, but I would think "in traffic" driveability would have to be a must.

[Junkie]

I agree with "The lumpy carbureted large displacement big block might cause some people to argue about it being 'pro-touring". Exactly what I was thinking. It sounded nasty when it was staging in the video. Don't think that would be very user friendly from stop light to stop light in 90 degree heat. Last thing we need is another "what is pro-touring" debate, but I would think "in traffic" driveability would have to be a must.

Lots of ppl daily drive BBC combination's. Yes i agree that an LSx is more officiant but in some situations its just not optimum. Ive had several really powerful build LS's but in an old school car trying to make big power a BBC would probably be ideal. i wonder what the weight difference is on a all Alum BBC combo vs. an iron blocked LS. For an 800hp build its hard to beat a nice built LS3 :)

[legend]

220 mph is very fast for something as brick like as big red, what power were they running? I'd also be worried about 40 yr old aerodynamics at those speeds

something like a mclaren F1 does the top speed side of things but stuggles to do 11s in standard trim IIRC,

[GregWeld]

If it was easy --- the fat chicks could do it!

Thus my point at the very beginning of this thread... but this thread has been hijacked WAY AWAY from the OP....

[GregWeld]

I agree with "The lumpy carbureted large displacement big block might cause some people to argue about it being 'pro-touring". Exactly what I was thinking. It sounded nasty when it was staging in the video. Don't think that would be very user friendly from stop light to stop light in 90 degree heat. Last thing we need is another "what is pro-touring" debate, but I would think "in traffic" driveability would have to be a must.

I would "think" that in "drag race trim" -- such as shown in the video of Vinnies car -- the HEADERS are uncorked... and in that trim with drag radials on it turned in a 9.98 qtr....

BUT (BIG BUT) to me THAT ENDS the argument for PT -- because PT would use the tires that they went to the grocery store in AND have the stereo on -- and the exhaust system intact.

:cheers:

[GregWeld]

I forgot my "point" I was going to make in the above post ---- That this same car (Vinnies) with the exhaust hooked up --- and "street tires" wouldn't get close to a 9.98 and might even be a full second slower.... with bad 60ft times - and less top end charge... So the OP might be debatable as I seriously doubt the ability to run "9's" in true PT trim.

Now this should start some good debate!! Pulling the pin on the grenade.... "in coming!!" :woot:

[Vegas69]

Greg, there is this little button down in the lower right hand corner called "edit". :unibrow: I don't have a problem with having a spare set of wheels and tires for drag racing or road racing etc. I went with the R888' due to the fact I felt they would work everywhere including the street. Now all the events are going to be 200 treadwear. :rolleyes:

[GregWeld]

Yeah -- I could have saved a few emails with the edit button... :willy:

Todd -- This thread could go on forever.... and I keep trying to return to the original post -- which was "is there PT cars in the 9's"?

You pointed out yourself - that the WHOLE POINT of a PT car - is -- good handling - high hp - quick - A/C - Stereo - drive without issues.... go to dinner with the girls

This thread turned into 8 second - 200 mph race car discussion.... :rofl: :rofl:

So the real answer is NO you can't (or can't at this particular time) run legit 9's or 8's - and do corners too.... and go to dinner or drive in the Vegas heat in the summer... with the SAME SET UP - TIRES/WHEELS/EXHAUST.... hit the key back out of the driveway and get groceries and stop at the Auto X on the way home... and win a trophy at the local car show... and beat the snot out of that full race nitrous caged Vega....

Now - where's my cup of coffee? Oh yeah -- a PT car has to have cup holders too!! :rofl: :rofl:

[Vegas69]

Damn...I'll have to pick up one of those door panel cup holders.:lol:

[GregWeld]

Damn...I'll have to pick up one of those door panel cup holders.:lol:

I have a couple - you want billet or black plastic? :rofl:

[ProdigyCustoms]

I have drag raced and dare I admit back in the day, street raced enough to have a idea of what maybe could be done. I have a friend that has a RX7 that runs Cheapo Pep Boys Special street tires and consistantly runs mid nines, and picks pockets of slick tired cars street racing.

I do not think the OP meant 9s on street tires.

But here is what I think about tires. I think a car could go nines in the right car on 220 wear PT tire. It would be a run that started with a 1.70 short time and MPH like a mother out the back door. I would not be surprised if Vinny sprayed 300 in progression on his car that he could do it as he is a hell of a driver. It would have to be a 9.99 at 155MPH though to do it, and it would be as Steve O mentioned, dangerous at minumum.

All the Vettes and Vipers running 9s, 8s, are all on slicks / DOT drag radials so I think they are acceptable for us also

[ProdigyCustoms]

BTW, thanks to this thread I just order Forgelines and 18" Drag Radials for my street racer. Forgeline is making me 18 X 12s for the 345/35/18 drag radials, 18 X 8.5 for the front and the first set of 17 X 4 (yes 17 X 4) for my drag skinneys! I am draging it out of 3 year storage, going to do tire and brake swap first, get it dialed in, make sure it runs the numbers on the new tires and the suspension that is in it, then start looking at making a few changes to make it go around corners!

Here is one of my last races. I drove 30 miles to a gathering at a shopping plaze where 50 cars met, then we all cruised 25 miles to the track and drew names out of a hat, lined em up till the last two were standing. The last 2 standing was me and the Nova.

Yeah, I get beat (by 3 feet) by the 1600 horse, 7.70 alcohol injected heavy street car. But I left on him and gave him all he could stand!

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/th_PeeWeeAgainstGodzilla.jpg (http://s169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/?action=view&current=PeeWeeAgainstGodzilla.flv)

[GregWeld]

Good action Frank!!!

Todd loves it when you spend his money.... :rofl:

BTW --- I want to continue to try (note the TRY) to bring this thread back to the original discussion... Frank you pointed this out yourself -- that the G in Lat G is for turning not the amount of G's you get from the launch at the drag strip...

REAL TIRES -- REAL COMFORT -- REAL STREET..... AND be competitive in MULTIPLE venues -- Auto X - Road course - STOPPING - Turning.... and going to the grocery store... or doing Power Tour.... and getting a trophy now and then at the car shows...... To me (which doesn't mean squat) that's Lat-G/PT cars...

Note I'm saying "COMPETITIVE" (different from being the best in one or the other) -- in MULTIPLE venues.... The OP hasn't come back in here to explain the bet --- but I'm betting the Drag guy in the post is talking what we're talking here -- a REAL PT car -- in street driven trim. I'm also betting this is why -- or at least PART of the reason that the Optima USCI has changed the rules to make the tires more "street" run versions.

[Steve Chryssos]

Boy, there is nothing I find more irritating than armchair quarterbacking. Twist Machine always preaches: "Get your car done and drive it". We practice what we preach. By suggesting that the car is uncorked AFTER I plainly stated that the only hardware turned were lug nuts, you're also calling me a liar. That's not what I call a debate.

The car in that video in NOT uncorked. Vinnie likes loud exhaust. Crowds at our pro-touring events like the loud exhaust as well. 9.98 is NOT a 10 second run. 9.98 is a 9 second run. Mathematicians decided long ago that a 9 is a 9 and a 10 is a 10. They did so without your help.

Your fuzzy logic undermines and insults all of the hard work and expense that went into designing building and running that car.

[GregWeld]

Steve --

Nobody called you a liar.... and who can remember every DETAIL written in a thread with this many posts?

Nobody was making light of the build... quality wise or anything else. I personally commented on how cool it was more than once.

9.98 is INTO the 9's ---- not "9's"... Saying "9's" IMPLIES that it's closer to 9.0 than 10... and that is a semantic argument that is "stretching the truth". In ALL MY YEARS (likely before you were born) of drag racing and being with the very best of the best in drag racing WE never discussed "9's".... it was ALWAYS... "he runs 9.8's or he runs 8.4's...." because real drag racers know full well that a 9.98 is no where near a car that can run 9.2's. AND in the lower brackets (I actually worked for a number of YEARS at Portland International Raceway - and my room-mate RAN the track) a time statement was carried further -- to not MIS STATE a cars capability -- as in "he runs 9.98 on drag radials" --- which would say he CAN NOT do that on street tires! And if someone had to change rear gears to get there -- that was ALSO part of the statement....as in "he runs 9.98's on drag radials with 4:88's" -- because the car would be vastly different in street trim. Now that we all know that Vinnie ran 9.98 with full exhaust and only a tire change -- and that the car can turn too -- I will say again -- NICE BUILD....

This is a discussion -- interesting - informative - fun... relaxed. ADD to the info and have some fun. You built a great car and should be very proud of it.

[R67Chevelle]

Greg, I think you are right only to a certain degree. The whole factor is $cost$. With supercharged, turbo set ups it is completely possible to get deep into the 9's and be classified as (perform)"a true protouring car". Look at Tom Nelson... This guy is insane (in a good way) and makes his living on doing engines & PT cars (as well as others) that can have insane street manners, incredible handling & braking and big power on the track. A t56, heat treated & cryo treatment if built correctly can handle well over 1200hp& 1000ft lbs, but again "cost". A 4L80E with a gear vendor overdrive and a paddle shift can handle 1500hp if done right.

Now comes the factor? what's the budget limitation & time? There is so much to offer in the aftermarket out there it can be done and well done easy... Fesler, Prodigy, Gearhead and others would love someone (and they probably already have) to say that this is what they want and go build it and oh, by the way here's 300k along with it with your bonus included... :D

Interesting thread:thumbsup:

Blessings,
AMS

[Steve Chryssos]

I'm not hot. Just trying to be clear. Rather than bench race about decibels, it's best to look at the car's complete picture.

The 9.98 run (as with all other drives) was done with a 3.73 gear, a 3000 stall 10.5" converter, a full interior and an all steel body including the hood. Faster elapsed times are available with the benefit of a progressive nitrous controller and more nitrous. The suspension is adjusted entirely without tools. Bret's push button controller an rebound/compression shock adjustments are all that's required to jack up and preload the rear suspension.

Vinnie plans on making many more runs, Please clarify when a nine is a nine 9.80's?, 70's,.....20's. I'll have Vinnie make a run just for you.

[Junkie]

I have drag raced and dare I admit back in the day, street raced enough to have a idea of what maybe could be done. I have a friend that has a RX7 that runs Cheapo Pep Boys Special street tires and consistantly runs mid nines, and picks pockets of slick tired cars street racing.

I do not think the OP meant 9s on street tires.

But here is what I think about tires. I think a car could go nines in the right car on 220 wear PT tire. It would be a run that started with a 1.70 short time and MPH like a mother out the back door. I would not be surprised if Vinny sprayed 300 in progression on his car that he could do it as he is a hell of a driver. It would have to be a 9.99 at 155MPH though to do it, and it would be as Steve O mentioned, dangerous at minumum.

All the Vettes and Vipers running 9s, 8s, are all on slicks / DOT drag radials so I think they are acceptable for us also

I think its very possible on a DR, lots of ppl daily drive there car, take them to events, do tours, etc... on drag radials so i don't see why they would be ruled out. Also Ive seen Vipers run 9's on street tires for awhile now, one of my friends has done it a few times. Granted the MPH is in the 160's but its possible to get that kind of power with the motors ppl are building in these things now. I guess i'll just have to accept the fact that my car will be a modern pro street car, just a lot more comfy and a lot more drivable. :woot:

[jr421]

Wow this thread is still at the top, all I can add at this point are these two simple equations


Drag Racing is congruent to Prostreet

as


Road Racing is congruent to Pro-touring

:_paranoid

[GregWeld]

I'm not hot. Just trying to be clear. Rather than bench race about decibels, it's best to look at the car's complete picture.

The 9.98 run (as with all other drives) was done with a 3.73 gear, a 3000 stall 10.5" converter, a full interior and an all steel body including the hood. Faster elapsed times are available with the benefit of a progressive nitrous controller and more nitrous. The suspension is adjusted entirely without tools. Bret's push button controller an rebound/compression shock adjustments are all that's required to jack up and preload the rear suspension.

Vinnie plans on making many more runs, Please clarify when a nine is a nine 9.80's?, 70's,.....20's. I'll have Vinnie make a run just for you.

I used to live in NYC -- it's a very stressful place to live. Are you building cars there?

[Steve Chryssos]

I need to update my User Profile. We just moved down to Ormond Beach Florida. "The Birthplace of Speed" .... next to Daytona.

[Desert68]

The 9.98 run (as with all other drives) was done with a 3.73 gear, a 3000 stall 10.5" converter, a full interior and an all steel body including the hood. Faster elapsed times are available with the benefit of a progressive nitrous controller and more nitrous. The suspension is adjusted entirely without tools. Bret's push button controller an rebound/compression shock adjustments are all that's required to jack up and preload the rear suspension.

That is amazing. And that guy can darn sure drive, too.

[GregWeld]

I'm going to hijack this thread for just one more post...

If a person was AutoX'n' and they turned a 49.7 --- would they then tell people they ran a "Fourty"?

If I was running a road course - and ran a 1.52 -- would I say I ran a "one"...

In racing -- TIMES COUNT - and HUNDREDTHS COUNT.... Leave statements like I run "9's" in the bar with a bunch of people that don't know and don't care... a 9.98 is DAMN impressive (I'm MORE THAN impressed!) - but it ain't a 9... and to argue otherwise is just silly semantics. A 9 is a 9.0 -- or it ain't... unless you say I run INTO the 9's... and then it's some number that is "into" the 9's... We used to say it like this -- We broke into the 9's.... and that is what a 9.98 is...

I love the car - love the build - but I also like facts... So let's be friends. Cause it's all good. And now my stomach is turned and I don't like that... :cheers:

[Vegas69]

I have to agree that it's a 9 second run. I've always heard drag racing numbers referred to as INTO the 9's or 10's. There's no rounding up in drag racing. He wouldn't be invited into the 10.0 class on Pinks with that run.

[907rs]

http://image.superchevy.com/f/13002092/sucp_0901_04_z+super_chevy_show_norwalk+rod_sabour y.jpg

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http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=524

That's not a 7 second car, and it's not a 5 second car, it's a 6 second car.

If Vin ran lower than a 10.0, then he's got a 9 second car. Period.

[parsonsj]

Vinnie's car is a 9 second car.

If he ran an 8.99, he'd have an 8 second car.

Greg, it's OK that you don't know the terminology... this is a PT site. :)

jp

[Vegas69]

Here is a six second car my current engine builder crew chiefs and builds the little 440 Ford that makes 2500hp. I went out and watched them run 2 weeks ago. That car takes off like a rocket. They are getting ready to make some changes and step it up more. And I thought this hobby was expensive!
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[68protouring454]

vinny wont need encouragement. His car easily has 9.6's in it with another 100 shot, making it 200 total. as frank said he could probably pull it off, we will see. As steve says, that car does nothing but run, say it can't run in traffic, come to pigeon forge on rtth weekend and sit in traffic for 2 hrs getting home from the autox.
we will have video when it happens.
no, if you run a 1:52, on a road course they will break it down into hundreths, so if you run a 1:52.9 its a 1:52, not a one, not even close to an accurate comparison, same goes for the autox x comparison.
vinnys exhaust is spin tech 3 inch oval, x pipe and there pro mod mufflers. its every bit as bad as it looks, sounds and performs, period. There is no taking that away. its not verbal diarrhea,it proof.
btw- he picked up 6-7 tenths with 100 shot from his all motor run, add in a progressive controller to dial shot in over a few seconds he would of gone faster on the 100 and easily taken another 3-4 tenths with the extra 100.

[RECOVERY ROOM]

But if I didn't challenge the notion -- it wouldn't set everyone out to prove me to be an idiot! That's why I lob grenades in threads all the time... it MAKES people think and dig... :rofl:

.Everyone learns then:thumbsup:

[RECOVERY ROOM]

vinny wont need encouragement. His car easily has 9.6's in it with another 100 shot, making it 200 total. as frank said he could probably pull it off, we will see. As steve says, that car does nothing but run, say it can't run in traffic, come to pigeon forge on rtth weekend and sit in traffic for 2 hrs getting home from the autox.
we will have video when it happens.
no, if you run a 1:52, on a road course they will break it down into hundreths, so if you run a 1:52.9 its a 1:52, not a one, not even close to an accurate comparison, same goes for the autox x comparison.
vinnys exhaust is spin tech 3 inch oval, x pipe and there pro mod mufflers. its every bit as bad as it looks, sounds and performs, period. There is no taking that away. its not verbal diarrhea,it proof.
btw- he picked up 6-7 tenths with 100 shot from his all motor run, add in a progressive controller to dial shot in over a few seconds he would of gone faster on the 100 and easily taken another 3-4 tenths with the extra 100.

That,s a bad ass ride there!!!!

[BritishGreen68]

vinny wont need encouragement. His car easily has 9.6's in it with another 100 shot, making it 200 total. as frank said he could probably pull it off, we will see. As steve says, that car does nothing but run, say it can't run in traffic, come to pigeon forge on rtth weekend and sit in traffic for 2 hrs getting home from the autox.
we will have video when it happens.
no, if you run a 1:52, on a road course they will break it down into hundreths, so if you run a 1:52.9 its a 1:52, not a one, not even close to an accurate comparison, same goes for the autox x comparison.
vinnys exhaust is spin tech 3 inch oval, x pipe and there pro mod mufflers. its every bit as bad as it looks, sounds and performs, period. There is no taking that away. its not verbal diarrhea,it proof.
btw- he picked up 6-7 tenths with 100 shot from his all motor run, add in a progressive controller to dial shot in over a few seconds he would of gone faster on the 100 and easily taken another 3-4 tenths with the extra 100.

i was gonna ask what exhaust he has, it sounds good...hes running an Airbar too right? Sounds like it will take some abuse!

[ProdigyCustoms]

The triangle 4 bars (Air Bar G Bar, Prodigy Bar) are the very best on the drag strip of all the Pro Touring G machine suspension types. As I convert my street drag car I plan to see how good a G link is compared to the drag race ladder bar set up I have now. The G link adjuatability should make it work extremely well.

[BritishGreen68]

The triangle 4 bars (Air Bar G Bar, Prodigy Bar) are the very best on the drag strip of all the Pro Touring G machine suspension types. As I convert my street drag car I plan to see how good a G link is compared to the drag race ladder bar set up I have now. The G link adjuatability should make it work extremely well.
Ive been looking at your phone number all week trying to talk myself into a g-link Frank lol.. I need some wilwood rear brakes too.. those 20" billet specialties wheels I bought through you a while back are beautiful:thumbsup:

[Bryce]

The plan for my falcon is to make it good at lots of things. I will achieve that is through lots of adjustable pieces. Suspension, double adjustable coilovers, wheels/tires and even two different small block motor builds. The car will be light and most of the advantages will come from that trait.

[GregWeld]

Vinnie's car is a 9 second car.

If he ran an 8.99, he'd have an 8 second car.

Greg, it's OK that you don't know the terminology... this is a PT site. :)

jp

Well -- I guess I'm just to old to change -- because in my book an 8.99 is called an "EIGHT NINETIES" car.... not an 8 second car - implying that it can run near 8.0's....

The plate on Sabourys car says it correctly -- IN THE 6's....

In my book - if your car runs 14's or 15's -- then maybe you could call it by the law of large numbers - because who cares... but when you start dipping into the 10's or 9's... each 10th becomes harder to get... and in that territory I think the effort gets rewarded by saying a little more (adding an adjective) such as I've stated all along. It's IN the 9's - or it's a 9 five car etc....

I'd call Vinnies car a NINE NINETIES car UNTIL it broke into the 9 eighties and then I'd call it a 9 eighties car -- and I'd kiss his arse because it's a killer build.

:cheers:

[Northeast Rod Run]

In my book - if your car runs 14's or 15's -- then maybe you could call it by the law of large numbers - because who cares... but when you start dipping into the 10's or 9's... each 10th becomes harder to get...and that's the exact reason why I agree with the others that wether it's a 9.0 or a 9.99, it's still "running 9's". some might say that they ran a nine with an eight (9.8x), or if they are solidly into the nines, they might just say they ran a five three (meaning a 9.53) or something like that.

in drag racing, that's the way it's usually referred to. if you remember the first time someone broke the five second barrier, they said that they were now running four seconds, not 4.99 or 4.98, they said four seconds. it's just the way drag racing is. once you break the actual barrier of 12, 10, 9, 8, etc, etc, you have now earned the opportunity to say that you ran the next lowest number. it's the way the whole sport does it, but I guess this would be the wrong site to really get into this conversation:cheers:

[Vegas69]

Weld, you're wrong, we're right.:P

[BritishGreen68]

So if my car runs 12.0's, and one day I hit an 11.99, the people at the drag strip are going to tell me to leave until i get a roll bar and all the other 11 second stuff right? Or can I say no, I run 12's, and sometimes 11.99's I don't need it..? I remember when I hit a 12.99 and I needed a helmet, there was no argument about whether or not I had a 12 second car, it was "you run in the 12's, you need a helmet, thanks bye" and I had to borrow one quick to keep racing... to me at that point I had a 12 second car, although I did tell people it runs high 12's..:_paranoid

[Vegas69]

Only on a forum could 15 guys argue about something so stupid. I'm guessing it would take about 2 minutes at the bar between friends.:unibrow:

[GregWeld]

UNCLE!!!!


:faint: :rofl:

[70rs]

You guys crack me up!!:D Starting to sound like chicks.:rofl:

[GregWeld]

Eric -

They're ganging up on me!

:rofl:

[andrew5]

:lol: this is funny!

[BritishGreen68]

You guys crack me up!!:D Starting to sound like chicks.:rofl:

WHATTEVVARRR:willy: :lol:

[DFRESH]

Greg, just wanted to let you know my X-Treme Drag Radial car went a 7.81 @ 187.5 MPH.

To everyone else here, my X-Treme Drag Radial car goes 7's at a buck 90. (In heads up racing we round down on the ET and up on the MPH) :lol:

Now, the PT is slow no matter how much power I will have in it--but it does corner much nicer, and does so with the AC on and my kids in it.

If you want to do both and be competitive, build two cars--the drag car will never be fast enough for me even though it is a purpose built car, and the PT car will never be fast enough even though it is purpously built to not be a drag car. I think it's just in my nature to want more power in every car I have--my wallet doesn't always agree, however it doesn't stop my wants.

Steve and Jake, always impressed with your stuff---that car of V's is a bad mother. Props to you guys for actually pulling that off--got to be one of the best "sounding" PT cars to date that actually backs it up with an ET and handles the twists as well. Great execution all the way around.

Doug

[WILWAXU]

This car went 11.16 @ 122 (1.52) just as it sits in this picture:
http://www.fquick.com/images/vehicles/full/1974212433.jpg (http://www.fquick.com/garages/viewgallery.php?action=viewimg&id=212433)

Same car with a swap of rims & tires, it went 10.77 @ 125 (1.47):
http://www.fquick.com/images/vehicles/full/197411132.jpg (http://www.fquick.com/garages/viewgallery.php?action=viewimg&id=11132)

Same car on the 17's (and the front sway bar) was driven on some of California's finest mountain roads.

Trying to drag race on baloney skins is frustrating. IMO, if your going to drag race and auto-cross, have 2 sets of rims and have fun. Why handy cap yourself?

[skatinjay27]

thats cool john BUT too bad its only a ten seventies car and not a ten second car!!!!!!!!!!!:rofl:

[Flash68]

my X-Treme Drag Radial car went a 7.81 @ 187.5 MPH.



Video or it didn't happen. :lol:

[DFRESH]

Video or it didn't happen. :lol:

Come on dude---it runs that fast everytime I use the "Desktop Dyno"--I am going to tweek the camspecs just a little bit more---there we go--just went a 7.60. :lol:

You still coming down in June so we can drive back up north? I'll take you for a spin in the drag car---Fly in on Friday evening, stay here or bring the shifterless gokart you have and make the trip with us--

Doug

[GregWeld]

Doug --

If I reply to this thread anymore - TODD is going to come up here and kill me (if he doesn't rust up like the Tin Man).

:lol:

[1in1969]

I am certainly not big on the european cars...... this might qualify. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BwIniaHIUE I know you could do it, if you had the money it is possible. My brother has a Outlaw 10.5 car that has been as quick as 4.37 and as fast as 177. with turbo setups that are available I think you could do this with a C5/C6 vette. Go ahead fire away! Shawn

[DFRESH]

Doug --

If I reply to this thread anymore - TODD is going to come up here and kill me (if he doesn't rust up like the Tin Man).

:lol:

Greg, after he runs his car at the Super Chevy event, let's see how it et's--it will most likely warrant bringing this up all over again:unibrow:. Plus, you know how shy he is--

Doug

[GregWeld]

Greg, after he runs his car at the Super Chevy event, let's see how it et's--it will most likely warrant bringing this up all over again:unibrow:. Plus, you know how shy he is--

Doug

Doug --

Wrote him the other day -- after he completely FAILED to support me on the "9's" vs my wanting to be more clear and calling it a "nine nineties".... and told him -- I'd better not catch him calling his new motor "650 hp" IF it ONLY made 648.7 !!

It's hard to show your sense of humor in these posts -- but I do take all of this "discussion" in stride and with fun intentions...

[6spdcamaro]

Doug --

Wrote him the other day -- after he completely FAILED to support me on the "9's" vs my wanting to be more clear and calling it a "nine nineties".... and told him -- I'd better not catch him calling his new motor "650 hp" IF it ONLY made 648.7 !!

It's hard to show your sense of humor in these posts -- but I do take all of this "discussion" in stride and with fun intentions...

It only works that way with ET's. You round down with ET's and round up with horse power numbers. :rofl:

[GregWeld]

It only works that way with ET's. You round down with ET's and round up with horse power numbers. :rofl:

Ken --

You're right!! I've learned this...
:rofl:

[70rs]

Ok, so we round up on HP, down on ET's .......what do we do with lap times? I say round down to the nearest second. Forget hundredths, I am talking seconds. :D

[Flash68]

Come on dude---it runs that fast everytime I use the "Desktop Dyno"--I am going to tweek the camspecs just a little bit more---there we go--just went a 7.60. :lol:

You still coming down in June so we can drive back up north? I'll take you for a spin in the drag car---Fly in on Friday evening, stay here or bring the shifterless gokart you have and make the trip with us--

Doug

Desktop Dyno can make you do amazing things! :lol:

Dude, June is still on my radar... I hope I can make it... that sounds like a blast. Im sure if I do it I'll end up selling whatever I have of value to get back into a Camaro or some kind of muscle car. :_paranoid

[Vegas69]

Shouldn't you two be writing a poem or buying some chocolates to kiss your wives asses? I have a feeling you both married up just do to the fact you had no other choice. :D Damn, I'm good.

[DFRESH]

Oh, I wasn't aware that marrying up was not cool---too late.

And alas, another legit post being brought to its end by the closers :lol:

[GregWeld]

Someone amongst us has a "commitment aversion".... :rofl:

[Flash68]

Shouldn't you two be writing a poem or buying some chocolates to kiss your wives asses? I have a feeling you both married up just do to the fact you had no other choice. :D Damn, I'm good.

Todd, don't you think you should at least wait til noon to start drinking everyday? This is what happens when you don't! :cheers:

[WILWAXU]

thats cool john BUT too bad its only a ten seventies car and not a ten second car!!!!!!!!!!!:rofl:

I'm good with that :D

[monza]

Wow this is a long thread ... don't you guys all run in the nines?

[Vegas69]

Todd, don't you think you should at least wait til noon to start drinking everyday? This is what happens when you don't! :cheers:

Saturday night at 8:20, chances are good I've had a couple Odouls.:unibrow: