G-machine of a different.......scale?!?

[black2002ls]

well here we go. As if I don't have enough major projects on my hands...lets throw one more on the fire. I got the Revell re-release of the 1/12th scale first gen Camaro along with my 06 mustang, and I just can't leave well enough alone. This will be done pro touring style.

Paint, will be two tone (as of right now) a base of PPG sunset metallic, with pearl white. I've removed all of the badges so far. I plan on changing all of the marker lights, they will be oval instead of round. All door handles and locks will remain in-tact. The chin spoiler will be done in CF.

Wheels: The plan right now is to create my own 18" wheels. If you have the current issue of hot rod magazine with the crate camaro, I am thinking something along the lines of the budnik hammer series wheels. I might find someone to machine the outer wheel, and then create resin centers.

Engine: It will follow typical white97ex style, some sort of forced induction or nitrous. I would love to do twin turbos but sourcing materials might prove to be the demise of that route. same with a centrifugal blower......possibly a roots low profile? who knows.

Trans: You can see in the pictures that I have a scratchbuilt transmission in the works. Inspiration a-la GTMike400. only I am going with a T-56 6 speed trans.

Interior: I plan to update the interior...if my steam doesn't run out by the time that I reach that stage. I am planning at this point to make some corbeau or some other style of bucket seats...possible even corvette type buckets, as that is what I would put in the car if I were building it 1:1.

If I manage to get my resin casting skills up to par, there might also be some resin casts of things like the seats and the transmission and such.......stay tuned for more!!!!

comments and criticisms please

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[black2002ls]

Got a little more done on the tranny. the main body is copmlete. all that is left now is the tail shaft. and then all of the ribbing and details. I'm seriously considering scratchbuilding an LS1 for this beast......Since this is going to be my dream car in scale......but time will tell. Also did some of the body mods. I opened up the marker lights and they will all be flush with the body. I never liked the "Gills" in front of the rear wheels, so I decided to do it HOT ROD 1 style. I opened them up and made functional scoops. I will be ordering some cobra colors primer tomorrow. So hopefully in then next couple weeks this body will see some paint.....I need to find a paint code first though...that could prove to be a bear....well on to the pics

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[XcYZ]

I have a 1:12 69 Camaro from waaay back in the day.

Looks pretty cool, do you ever sell your cars when you're done? :)

[Rybar]

That's a cool idea, here are some pics of my 1:24 scale '69 camaro that was part of my inspiration to build my real car.

I was about 15 years old at the time and I think I was pioneering pro-touring with this model. Check out the staggered 18" fronts/20" rears & brakes from an IMSA race car.

[black2002ls]

awesome work there. I have toyed with the idea of selling some of my creations. I'll post a link later to a photobucket of my current and finished projects.

When you've got 100's of hours in one, it is hard to let it go. plus, getting your money's worth is hard. some of my pro mod builds I have put overe 100 bucks into.

I started making some sketches of the LS1 for this thing. I am taking measurements from a 1:24/1:25 engine and then changing them to 1:12th scale. If anyone has some good reference shots of bare LS1 motors. So I can get any ribbing and bracing correct. Thanks In Advance

[black2002ls]

Well I finally got back to work on this project. There is a thread going in the open discussion forum looking for pics of the LSx engines. Here is where I am at with the heads thus far. This is a copy and past of the post in the other thread. ENJOY

alright. I spent some time last night and this morning working on the heads. I realized that I had missed several details that are needed for it to be accurate when I roughed the head out. The intake runner area cannot be flat, for the intake that I plan to use for this. Hopefully I will be able to create a suitable LSx intake manifold for the resin copies. But I plan on running a sheet metal type intake for the twin turbo set up. So I will spend my time today, what little I can manage to find, working on the intake side of the head. The exhaust side is looking pretty good. It needs some clean up though. Let me know what you think

The first picture is the head that I am using for reference.

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[1970cuda]

i wish i had the patience to do that kind of stuff.. cool

[black2002ls]

Well, I started re-working the head. There was too much super glue used to fill in the gaps. So, I took what I learned from the first peice and started applying it to the new peice. It will be more accurate from all angles. Also I started drawing the wheels. I picked up the most recent PHR with the 'cuda in it. I really like the wheels that are on in it. So that is what I scaled down to 1:12th scale. I am open to suggestions on wheels though. If you think these will or wont look good, chime in and say so. Oh for the color I am leaning toward sunset orange metallic, however, that is not set in stone yet. On to the pictures.

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[black2002ls]

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[black2002ls]

Alright. A little update for you guys. I showed the picture of the wheel. I sketched it out in versions from 17" to 19" I'm leaning toward a 19"x11" out back and an 18"x8.5" up front. In the sketch, the drawings are completely to scale. Not sure how they came out in the scan. I also scanned in the "disc" that is the wheel right now. You can see how I went about laying out the design. Enjoy. (I'm off to take some pictures for the Artwork page. Its also a great day to paint here in TX.)

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[black2002ls]

sorry about the scrolling from side to side. I hate when I have to do that. But unfortunately it is necessary to get the scan to show full size. Comments please?

[TravisB]

dude you must lots of time on your hands...looks like lots of tideous work to me

[black2002ls]

My discrete class was a waste of time today. I knew all of the material so I did most of the designs then. lol Plus, once you've designed a couple of them, and you figure out how to lay them out properly, it doesn't take much time at all. the way that the wheel will be made is by segmenting the master (the original part I create) Essentially making it 1/5th of the whole part. then I make a mold, and cast replicas of that one part. Once I have 5 suitable casts, I then assemble them and then create a final mold. That will be the mold for the completed wheel.

[rocketman]

i have acouple models i've been working on,just got my son in to them,kinda fun doing father/son projects.

[black2002ls]

thats awesome. I built a viper r/t 10 as my first model, with my dad. This past father's day I built an enclosed diorama of the exact same model (the original came apart over the years) and gave it to him as a gift. It was a garage theme, with parts from the original as spares

[G-Body]

pretty sweet hears a few finished for you hope you like lol later! George

this is a few photos of my new VW Beetle with a 421 SD pontiac motor in it full tube chassis with many, many mods viper front end molded it 20" scale wheels etc

The purple car is beleive it or not a new mini cooper with corvette frt and rear molded in and complete custom chassis and a vette motor aswell i have many build photos aswell if you wish to see hope you like

[G-Body]

heres a few others that i have built hope you like
A custom SSR coupe shortned the truck 11" scale inches
it has a 427 with stick shift many mods aswell

and a one of a kind 33 Willys X-cab use to be a Delivery panel truck cut down with blown LS-6 454 and custom built trailer again love to answer any ?'s take care hope you like

[black2002ls]

awesome looking builds. What I have finished thus far aren't quite of that calibre!

[G-Body]

Thanks hers a few more hope yo umight like

a 56 chevy 2-10 with a viper motor and 6 speed custom chassis etc
and a well started out as a 40 Ford delivery and it has a willys frt end sb2 motor with fuel injection etc prowler seats over 65 mods on car pro streeted thanks again later let me knwo what you think

[black2002ls]

I managed to get 5 good casts from my mold for the wheel. No pictures yet, I might have one this morning. As bad as it is to say this, it was qute surprising when the wedges fit together perfectly. I was expecting some sort of trouble with them. It is taking me a little while, as I am just casting the peices whenever I get a chance. Usually not more than 2 in a day. So it will take me quite a while to get enough peices to create the wheel.

[black2002ls]

Here ya go! I laid it out on a piece of masking tape so that the sections would hold together while I checked fit. One of the sections has not been cleaned up yet, as there is still a film of resin in the opening. Enjoy.

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[XTRMEASURES]

thats just awesome
i was thinking of doing something like that myself. i was going to buy a few models and make one bad ass car....lolol

[G-Body]

Thanks for the comments! Black that is really cool but can i ask why all the effort you can choose from anystyle of wheel you wish from Pagesous and a few other after makert wheel company's to the scale of your liking , I mean sure i can appreciate he effort but Damn your gonna have a ton of time in those and still have to coat them, good luck though , also have you got anything completed to show yet love to see some of your work

[black2002ls]

this is a 1:12th scale. To my knowledge, there isn't any readily available aftermarket pieces in this scale. Other than having them machined.

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My 99 cobra pro mod
69 mustang mach one
2004 mach one (converted teh 99 cobra)

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71 charger painted green go

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C6 vette. white97ex is my log in at automotiveforums

[black2002ls]

http://photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/

there is a link to my photobucket. Feel free to browse around MANY more photos can be found. I also have a 2004 corvette pro mod body that is cast in resin and is available through Top End Miniatures (www.topendminiatures.com) That I mastered and sent to them.

[promax/vennom#16]

Pricing;High end Die cast cars are going for $150.00-$300.00 +(which I have spent on a couple of nostalgia drag racing cars.) If someone could custom build a 1/24 scale model of my personal ride,and really detailed,I would fork over that kind cash and I am sure many others would also. When you post your pics,please include pics of the pro mods,my favs!! :thumbsup:

Dave

[black2002ls]

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[black2002ls]

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there is my corvette pro mod. I am in the process of re-building the cage. The original just had too many problems. The worst came when the rear wheels would not mount properly. I did the cage as I was making the body, and with a few subtle changes that I made in the body.....the cage was no good anymore.

pm me about the replica. We might be able to work something out.

[G-Body]

love the detail in your work nice stuff heres a couple more cars though you might like this is a 56 Merceded gullwing that i took 9 months to complete it has a nascar motor with twin turbos and manyyyyy mods including a mustang III concept roof and interior pegegous wheels and well too many mods to list see if you can find them all lol hop eyou liek take care

[G-Body]

And heres one last one thought also you might like if you enjoy your customs with alot of speed its a 33 Willys coupe with custom chassis smoothed frame and under belly has prowler frnt end dual nitrous bottles man made intake on a BB chevy with 2 stages of nitrous
I wanted a cool hot rod " G-Machine" most people build hot rods in a differnt style wanted to push the envolope a little and make one that handles aswell let me know what you think of these crazy creations later

[black2002ls]

pretty awesome creations. I usually run into a lack of time here and there and end up rushing most parts. Also I do most of my detailing on the cheap, looking for alternate methods to represent certain details. I'm willing, in a lot of instances, to trade a little realism for some cash. lol

[black2002ls]

well, I had the wheel doubled and assembled. I also got the raised portions attached. I was getting ready to take some pictures, when I realized that Some of the pieces were in upside down. Didn't change the geometry of the wheel. But it did change the proportions in certain areas. Hopefully I can get a good picture up tonight. I dipped the wheel in some water and its in the freezer right now. Hoping that breaks the bonds

[black2002ls]

Alright. Finally a little eye candy for you guys in the way of wheels. I was not able to disassemble the old wheel. So it ended up in the garbage. I do however, now have a completely assembled wheel. It needs a little clean up and some tweaking along with a little more thickening before it is ready to be cast. I've got an Atomic Physics test on Friday, so I wont have a finished product until this weekend or early next week. I am calling alumilite today to get an RTV kit. Hopefully It will be here by the time that I am ready to mold the wheel. It will also give me some motivation to get the head completed, as I am going to cast it as well so that I don't have to try and duplicate the design. On to the pictures. Let me know what you think!


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[black2002ls]

Got a little more work done this morning and this evening. It will be slow for the rest of the week. I have an atomic test on friday, and a discrete test tomorrow.

Here is what I've finished. I sectioned and reshaped the bumper a bit. I don't like to have the bumper wrap around the car. So I sectioned it and re-shaped the back side a little to allow it to mount in a slightly different location. The drip rails have also been removed for a bit cleaner look. I am still on the fence with the door handles and locks. Not sure If I want to shave them or not. I got my RTV silicone ordered today as well. There are two big steps that are coming up. I've got to create some outer rings for the wheels. I think that I have it figured out, we will see how that works out next week. The suspension is also going to be a BIG challenge (if anyone has some in progress pics of a 3 or 4 link rear suspension on a first gen camaro, also front suspension feel free to share!). Finally I need to make some more progress on the engine. Having the RTV should motivate me enough to get back to work on the heads. Enough rambling, and on to the pictures.

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[promax/vennom#16]

Here are som pics .Dave

[black2002ls]

A little update for anyone still following this build. I got the holes drilled for the lug bolts. The wheel will be 3 parts. The outer ring, the wheel center, and then the hub mount. They holes for the lug bolts are overdrilled. The holes that will be drilled in the hub mount will be smaller for the actual lug bolts. My RTV showed up yesterday so once I get the wheel cleaned up it will be cast, along with the sectioned rear bumper.


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[FreddyBoy Design]

Looks really good Russel, been following this from the beginning.
Nice to see someone modify a 1:12 kit, most seem to build large scale models bone stock...
It´ll be very interesting to see the finished wheels, I´m going to have my wheels for my 1:12 camaro CNC-machined :unibrow:

Keep up the progress!

/Fredrik (DukeMan)

[black2002ls]

I wish I could afford to have some machined. I talked to the guy at MAS on here, and He said it would run between 100 and 150 just for sleeves. I've got to leave for work in a bit. I am working on cleaning up the master for the wheels. The bumper is next. Hopefully I'll get a chance sunday to pour the molds.

To clean them up. I am hitting them with primer. Then sanding to finr the high and low spots. Sanding them out and re-priming. After they are cleaned up I'll hit them with a clear coat. that should give a nice smooth finish for the finished products when they are pulled from the mold.

If I decide to stagger the wheel sizes I'll have to go through this again. After I have the sleeves done, I think this might end up scaling out to 20" A bit bigger than I had planned, But generally on models, you have to size up a little bit for them to look right.

[black2002ls]

Oh, I plan on casting the rear bumper too. If you are interested in on, shoot me a pm

[black2002ls]

alas, the wheels are finally finished. well the centers anyway. I got the mold done finally and have some successful casts. They will require some clean up but overall I am happy with them. I also think that I have found a solution for the sleeves. After all is said and done, they will scale out to 20" wheels. A bit larger than I had hoped for. I didn't realize it until it was too late. More often than not on these cars, a size bigger usually looks just right. On to the pictures

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[srh3trinity]

heres a few others that i have built hope you like
A custom SSR coupe shortned the truck 11" scale inches
it has a 427 with stick shift many mods aswell

and a one of a kind 33 Willys X-cab use to be a Delivery panel truck cut down with blown LS-6 454 and custom built trailer again love to answer any ?'s take care hope you like

GM should build an SSR coupe, it would be much cooler than the truck, I have said this from the beginning, seeing the model confirmed it for me.

[G-Body]

Thanks man i concour i think it would lokk bitchin aswell heres a few more photos hope you like

[G-Body]

Heres a few more!! it has a 427 BB chevy in it with 22' and 18 ' to scale wheels truck has been shortened 13" scale inches behind the dorrs and straigthened the rear wheel wells to more od a nostalgic look also with a trunk like compartment and has a 61 chevy dash and a 41 plmouth windshield

[black2002ls]

alright guys. How about some 15" Baer Brake Rotors. I know, I know, 15 inches is quite overkill. But I needed something to fill up the wheels. lol let me know what you think The rotor will be a two peice design. The bottom piece which you see here, is the back of the rotor and the "vents" and then there will be a top piece will be drilled to match the bottom piece.

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[FreddyBoy Design]

NICE WORK!
Man do I hate drillin, good for you that you´re gonna cast em instead of drilling 7 more of them. Or are you going for a smaller diameter in the rear?

Keep it comin!

/Fredrik

[black2002ls]

I am planning on using a smaller diameter in the rear. I am planning on modifying the cast pieces. I am hoping to be able to cut them down by scribing htem the same way I made the circles for these.

[black2002ls]

oh, Fredrik, I am going to get those wheels cast and packaged up on sunday, and have them out to you on monday.

[black2002ls]

Well, I got the first full set of wheels on their way to Sweden to have some sleeves machined. Both sides of the rotor are finished, they just need some finish work with 2000 grit to remove all the scratches and they are ready to cast. I saved one wheel that I have massaged and cleaned up and hope to have it painted soon. I am planning on Gunmetal Centers with aluminum hoops. The exterior I am leaning toward Black and Sunset orange pearl. Black on bottom Sunset on top. Any comments?

[FreddyBoy Design]

Great, will be very interesting too see the wheels up close :)

Keep up the good work!

/Fredrik

[black2002ls]

As I mentioned, they are FAR from perfect. But a little finess with some fine grit paper and a little filling in the center and they will be good to go. I have one that I have just about massaged to my liking. I also got some more styrene today and my mini mitre box. I hope to start on the front section and the rest of the engine. I found some nice shots of the LS7 and other LSx engines thanks to the new hot rod solstice and another rag on the shelf (can't remember which one) I started over on the engine. That is how it goes though. You learn something that will make it better each and every time. Hopefully I'll have some new pics to upload soon

[black2002ls]

Alright, I managed a little break in my school work. I got started on the new subframe. Did a little work on the hub mount for the wheels. And I've progressed on the engine. I am much happier with this version than the last. I have found some decent block shots of an LSX. I sent a set of wheels to Sweden to have some sleeves machined, Hopefully those will be back in the next month or two. No rush though Fredrik. Comments are more than wlecome!

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[XcYZ]

That looks great. I can't wait to see the machine work and the completed subframe. :thumbsup:

[black2002ls]

Thanks Scott! I got some Hi Res Images. I'll e-mail them and the write up to you tonight or in the morning

[FreddyBoy Design]

The engine is taking shape nicely, can´t wait to see some more progress on it.

Keep it comin!

/Fredrik

[black2002ls]

I got started on the oil pan last night. Once It is done, I will be able to "tack" it in place and get on with some of the other details

[black2002ls]

whats this...a new forum! cool. I went to find my thread and noticed it had been moved and was like... :_paranoid Then when I saw where it was moved to and said sweeeeet.

[black2002ls]

how about some paint?? I decided to play around with paint tonight. I re-primed my body and rear bumper with Cobra Colors Moon Mud primer. This helped fill any nicks and scratches. I followed with a coat of black. The only part that I got the final color on is the rear bumper. The color is Sunset Orange Pearl (GM Factory Color) Mixed with PPG acrylic Enamel. Let me know what you think!?!

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[Sales@Dutchboys]

Like the color. :thumbsup:

-Paul

[black2002ls]

alright guys. The first round of clear coat is on. There is some trash that got in it.....one of the pit falls of spraying outside. I'll have to sand it out and hit it with my microfinish. I'll clear one or two more times. The shine is pretty good right now. I feel it could be better though. Enjoy:

MONEY SHOT!
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[black2002ls]

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[black2002ls]

A little more to show on this beast. The LS7 is beginning to take shape. I beleive that the line along the passenger side of the block should NOT be there, but it is too late at this point. I might also end up re-building the oil pan. As the area for the oil filter is wrong. Or I might creat a remote mount set up and mount it on the firewall or maybe lower side of the frame. Let me know what you guys think.

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[FreddyBoy Design]

Looks great Russell, I´m loving the orange-copper pearl it really suits the car perfectly. I´m impressed with your progress on the engine, its really starting to look like something!

Keep up the awesome work!

/Freddy

[black2002ls]

Fredrik,

Thanks for the comments. I sent you an e-mail with a picture of a wheel thanks to scott (owner/operator of lateral-g). I'm still not sure on the placement of the valve stem. Any ideas?

[Buick Motorsports]

I'm watching this one with great interest. I have been in the hobby, on and off, for the last 17 years. I was even lucky enough to have a couple of my cars appear in the Scale Auto Enthusiast Contest Annuals. I've just started a a 1/25 65 Chevelle, pro-touring of course.

I'm going to update my in progress photos and start a thread shortly. I hope that my build catches your interest as well. It will help keep me motivated...I have no one locally to share the hobby with.

Jason

[black2002ls]

I too have the same problem of not having anyone local to share with, other than family. I've got a pair of 65's waiting to be built. One is getting the Malitude treatment. I'm glad you like the build. I'll be keeping an eye out for yours! You might also visit the automotiveforums.com auto art section. There is a forum there for plastic models. Great bunch of people. The muscle cars don't get the respect they deserve over there but they really appreciate the builds. and there is a LOT of good knowledge to be gained by searching the forums.

[Buick Motorsports]

Malitude was one of the inspirations for pulling the 65 off the shelf. So was this one:
http://popularhotrodding.com/features/0407phr_chevelle_02_z.jpg

[black2002ls]

I made some real "HEAD" way tonight. I hacked up the original head design and "stole" the exhaust port area and mated it to the new design, as well as constructed the valve covers. The pins you see on the top are the center bolts/coil location pins. The detail on the back side is rather poor, however it wont be seen once the intake is in place. I have decided not to cast this or any of my parts for resale. I will be casting these heads, so that the left is identical to the right. Some details have been left off and will be added after the heads are cast so that their orientation is correct, mainly the spark plug holes and the oil filler neck. The detail on the sides of the block is slim to nil, but again, once it is in place and the mounts and oil lines and details are in place, it wont be noticeable. ENJOY!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF1913.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF1915.jpg

[black2002ls]

Alright. I got back to work on the Transmission last night. Since I wont be progressing much on the engine until I get the heads cast and there are several more things that I want to finish before I go mixing more RTV. I need some comments on t his thing. I went off of measurements I got from a Resin t-56 in 1:25th scale. It looks a little off though. There is not any bracing on it yet. Please, give me some comments and criticism on the trans. I've been considering rebuilding it, but am unsure as of yet.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF1917.jpg

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[black2002ls]

its finally beginning to look like a transmission. I've got nearly all of the ribbing on and shaped. I re-did the tail housing. It isn't quite finished yet, but it is looking a lot better than the original one that I did. Still not 100% happy with the driver's side of the case, but I got over it. Let me know what you guys think!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2041.jpg

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[FreddyBoy Design]

It looks awesome Russell, though it looks a bit too "round", at least in the 3rd pic. The ribbing made the whole difference.

Keep at it bro!

/Freddy

[black2002ls]

I agree, it does look a tad too round. I'll have to correct that. I spent some more time on the tail section. How are the sleeves coming?

[black2002ls]

here is the intake that I am planning for this beast, paired with Twin Turbos.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/main.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/number_3.jpg

[black2002ls]

Well, here is some more progress. I thought that I had an LS1 timing cover, but I don't. I've got the rear main cover and valley cover. So I had to eyeball it. It still needs the plug for the sensor but other than that I am happy with it. Once all of the pullies, accessories, and the snails are in there, it will no longer be the highlight of the front side of the motor. Also, I managed to get the hats constructed for the rotors. This will be universal for the front and the rear. I think I am going to make some smaller rotors for the rear. 15" is overkill for the front. But they helped to fill out the wheels a little bit. I am going to play around with the axle length today. Maybe I can get that sorted out and then begin on the 4-link rear suspension. enjoy the pictures

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2054.jpg

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[black2002ls]

Here we go. I began the mods to the rear end. I settled on 4 3/4" of offset on the wheels. I wrapped them in THIN .05 styrene cut to the proper width for the rear wheels and played around until I was happy. This then allowed me to mock up the rear wheels and brakes and get a proper measurement for the new axle tubes. They were made from 1/4" Brass Tube. There is a slightly smaller tube inside of that that helped me to keep the outter tubes square with the main housing, and also to help the rear axle support the weight of the car without buckling. Once that was complete I referred to pictures of Scott's 4-link set up and began to work on the 4-link brackets. Originally I was going to cut them from brass sheet and solder it all together. Well that didn't pan out so they got cut from styrene sheet and will be superglued to the axle. The inner bracket is for the upper link and the coil over shocks, the outer bracket is for the upper link. All that is left, as far as the rear end is concerned is the panhard bar bracket, housing ends, and caliper brackets. I am hoping to have it completed sunday and ready for primer. I am just about read to pour some RTV for the little things. Heads, remaining wheel parts and the breaks. The next round of RTV will include intake parts, and the rear brake parts. This is coming along quite nicely. I begin Summer I classes on June the 5th so I am cramming as much work in as possible until then. Enjoy the pics.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2060.jpg

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[black2002ls]

here is a small update. I managed to get some heads cast. so it is beginning to look like an engine. I had to pick up some more brass tubing yesterday so I could continue on with the four link and the intake. I am going to the lake this weekend so progress will halt after tomorrow afternoon. but stay tuned and keep the comments rolling!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2119.jpg

[Buick Motorsports]

I truly admire your scratchbuilding talents.....scratchbuilding is one of my shortfalls.

[astroracer]

Hey Russ, you are doing a bang-up job. I love the color. I wish I had time to pursue my latent modeling desires...
If I could offer a couple of suggestions I will pursue them through your efforts...
When I look at your 4 link brackets it looks like you are making them one at a time. Can I suggest "stacking" them? Cut them out to their rough shape, drill two holes (the "axle" hole and one suspension attachment point work well) to pin them together and then finish sand the final shape on ALL of the pieces at one time. Doing this will make them all identical and they will look like you stamped them out...
You can use the same process for the brake rotors. Cut them to rough shape drill one hole and use that to run a screw through the stack. Chuck the asm into a drill motor and sand the shape on all discs at one time... Only use alumnum sheet to make the rotors... no painting and they will look good in the natural aluminum color.
Mark

[black2002ls]

Mark thanks for the comments. The way I cut the brackets was to drill several holes in a sheet of styrene and trace out the bracket. I then stacked them and shaped them the same. There is one bracket that is not the same. The link and coil over holes were all drilled at the same time when they were stacked. The rotors will be cast in resin I'd much rather use up some RTV and have them available for future builds, than to re create the vents on the rotors 4 times over. I have about 3 hours of VERY tedious work in them. I am gone to the lake all weekend. I hope to have the main parts of the intake and the smaller brakes for the rear done early next week so I can pour those molds.

[MaxHarvard]

wow... just amazing! Good work, love the color too. I'm a big fan of shaving the drip rails too :)

[black2002ls]

Alright, somewhat of an update....ITS WHEELS!!!! well...kind of. lol. I got my aluminum ordered. I finished playing around with the offset and here are the wheel dimensions

Rear
11x20 with 5.2" of offset

Front
8.5x20 with 2.25 inches of offset

My girlfriends brother is going to be writing the CAD program and machining the wheels for me. After I receive the sleeves, I'll be getting back to this, cleaning up all 4 wheel blanks and getting them mounted on the sleeves and beginning on the tires.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2215.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2216.jpg

on a side note, I've heard talk here and there of machining pieces by hand. If anyone can shed some light on this, please share! If you'd like to explain in an e-mail send it to, [email protected]

[GTmike400]

Cant wait to see more Russel!

[black2002ls]

Thanks for the interest Mike, My machinist said that he should be able to get the sleeves done this week. It has me TOTALLY stoked. I can't wait to see what this thing looks like with some rollers under it. Plus I'm kind of excited to tackle the process of making the tires.

[vanzuuk1]

More photos!

[black2002ls]

I don't have anything new to post yet. I am unfortunately still waiting on the wheels.

[black2002ls]

alright. With the new computer up and running, it is time to get back on some of these projects I've got going. I've piddled around with this a little bit. All of the lights are mounted, as is the rear bumper and spoiler. I begain work on the intake. I will not be doing the harrop intake that I had planned. Instead I will be going with a sheetmetal type intake. Still no word from my machinist on the wheels.

money shot
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2857.jpg

nice back end
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Going for the modern blacked out trim
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2858.jpg

Here is where I am at on the intake. I have the main body complete. All it needs is some filler work here and there. I will do one runner and then throw it in the mix to be cast that way each of them is identical, eliminating any problems. I will also make some flanges that will mount to the head. There is no need for a valley cover built into the manifold, as the LSx series has its own. And naturally there will be fuel rails and plenty of plumbing.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2868.jpg

[black2002ls]

How about a REAL update??

After some work, and some resin casting, we now have an ALMOST complete intake manifold. I need to source some small button head screws for the top of the manifold (anyone know where to get some? preferably just the heads). I've also got a pair of complete rotors for the front. I'm going to try and source some rotors and calipers from the 1/12th Skyline kit for the rear, so as to not have to completely scratch another set of rotors and calipers. The rotors also are in paint. As is the engine block and heads, as well as a set of 4 wheel centers.....finally. All were painted with model masters metalizers. I had some trouble with my airbrush....seems I have a hole in my airline which I found after I was done spraying, and thought it was a problem with the brush. But I am happy with the result. I am debating on whether to hit the wheel centers with some clear just to make them pop, and give them the powder coated look. (got that tip from Clay Kemp, he used it on his chopper build). And yes, I am STILL waiting on the sleeves. Hopefully tomorrow I can get the engine assembled. I need to add some bolt heads to the valley cover, paint those, and then I can assemble the heads and intake. Then it will be time to get started on the brake calipers. I am leaning toward a one peice BAER unit. Here are the pics, comments and criticisms please!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2878.jpg

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[black2002ls]

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[FreddyBoy Design]

good to see you´re still workin on this one Russell!
I´m sorry you´re not having any luck with the aluminum sleeves, hope your machinist will fix em for ya soon!
Intake looks REALLY good, cant wait to see that engine come together.

/Freddy

[black2002ls]

Freddy,

Looks like I should have waited for you to return. lol. Since I've got about 35 bucks in the stock that I sent my machinst, I'm going to wait for him to finish them. HOPEFULLY SOON!!!!! I can't wait to see this thing with the wheels.

Thanks for the comments everyone. I hope to have a good bit of the fuel system finished tomorrow. Injectors rails and a regulator are on the table for work tomorrow.

Keep those comments rolling they are the inspiration

Russell

[black2002ls]

How about updates two days in a row!!! Got the heads mounted, along with some head gaskets. I've spent some time on the intake manifold as well. It now has injectors, wiring and fuel rails. My batteries died before I got a mock up with the intake on the engine, So I'll update again later tonight!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2886.jpg

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[black2002ls]

Final update for the night, and probably the next few days. Got a mock up shot with the intake on the block. Also a poor photo of the FPR (fuel pressure regulator) The adjuster is on top, the connectors on both sides will go to the fuel rails, and the one on the bottom will be for the main fuel line. here is how the plumbing will go. The fuel rails will be plumbed with incoming fuel and return lines to the tank. The intake will be plumbed with a line to the FPR making it boost dependent, a line for a pressure guage, and a line going to the waste gates. I think I'm going to have to restock my plastic round and hex rod, picking up some different sizes that what I have on hand. Up next I will begin the work on the brake calipers for the front brakes....should be fun.

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[black2002ls]

alright, an early morning update. Here is a picture of the Brake calipers I am modelling along with a picture of where I am at. They are Baer 6S monoblock calipers. 6 pistons of clamping power!!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/6S-6R.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2896.jpg

The plan is as follows. I'll master one peice. And make 4 copies and then create the rest of the caliper.

[black2002ls]

alright. Here is the "finished" Caliper. I feel it is a tad small but I am happy with it. I wanted to get some pictures up before I buried it in RTV. Here will be the process. I'll make a mold and cast 6 or 8 of these little buggers. Then I will go in and create the complete calipers with the fittings and pads and what have you. Also on a much more uplifting note!!! I heard from my machinist and found out what is taking so long to get the wheels done. We had a slight mis understanding. When I sent my drawings and my mock up I also sent a picture much similar to this

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/Sema_8.jpg

And I told him this is the wheel I am trying to replicate. Well, All I was looking for were some sleeves to insert my wheel centers into. He cut the WHOLE wheel. My girlfriend is bringing a pair of them home tonight for me to inspect and make sure that I like. So apparently this thing will be riding of fully CNC Machined aluminum wheels! total greatness!!!!

Here is the caliper

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2899.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2900.jpg

[black2002ls]

here are the pics of the wheels. I'll have some up of the brake calipers in a bit.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2906.jpg

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[black2002ls]

and here is a completed caliper. Along with a brake pad

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2912.jpg

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[black2002ls]

Worked a little bit on this tonight. I've been feeling a little BLAH. I'm hoping to get the rest of my supplies ordered in the next week. Waiting on some dimensions from various sources. I started on a Rack and pinion steering unit, as well as the front crossmember for the engine.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2944.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2947.jpg

[XcYZ]

That's too cool. Talk about tedious work!

[black2002ls]

Finally something to report on this car. I finally got back to work on it a little bit. I've also been trying to hammer out the order from RB motion for the A/N fittings, rod ends, valve stems, and spark plugs. I took a spare head cast that I had and drilled it for the brass rod I am using for the turbo headers. Brass was chosen because of the following reasons:

1. I like bending it much better than I do plastic.
2. It can be soldered together for a much stronger joint (IMHO)
3. I didn't trust just plastic to support the weight of the resin turbo's and piping that will be hanging off of them.

The first 3 photos are of the scale piece, the last is of the 1:1 I am using for reference.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2985.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF2986.jpg

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[PASD U]

Any more progress on this?

[l3it3r]

wow, I could never do that with my two daughters running around.. they'd destroy those!

Great work :thumbsup:

[black2002ls]

thanks for the comments guys. No progress right now. Funding ran out before I could get my machined goodies and braided line. I have taken a break from the hobby for a while. I've had to stay on top of my studies. Hopefully I'll make some head way this winter.

[black2002ls]

I am going to be hitting the drawing board again, for the wheels and tires. This time I am going to start with the tires, and then move to the wheels. I've been talking to a machinist who works almost completely in scale parts. He says that this is the way to tackle it. So I am looking for suggestions on wheel/tire combo's. If this were a real world car. It would have a TT LS7 so we are talking close to 1000 at the wheels. I want something that is going to look good and be able to hold the power. My original wheels called for 11" wheels out back and 8.5" up front. Maybe a 18/19 combo. Suggestions with pictures would be great. I want this build to be as realistic as possible.

[PASD U]

Are you sticking with the original wheel design or are you going with another? It's going to get a lot of attention once it's done.

[black2002ls]

I have yet to decide. I like the colored center. I am open to suggestions. Just be sure to provide some eye candy to back it up!

[black2002ls]

Well, I've started getting back into it. Decided to change the wheels up. they are forgeline WC3p's

The are smaller than the other wheels I had designed. I'll show some pictures of where I am at with the wheels in just a bit. they will start out as a multi piece design at first to ensure symmetry in the spokes. then the resin "spokes" will be attached to the outer ring, and the center, then I will drill the holes for the bolts for the the center. The master will be sent out so sleeves can be machined.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/wc3p.jpg

[nitrorocket]

Wicked headers! ;)

[nitrorocket]

I also like the wheel choice!!

[black2002ls]

yeah...can't remember where I got those pics from :_paranoid I'm not happy with them...or the motor anymore...there will be a lot of revamping on this thing.

[PASD U]

Yeeeah! Those wheels will go nicely, especially if they're detailed well. Maybe a brushed, medium gray/gunmetal center would set the exterior color off and go with the grill. Just my thoughts though.

[black2002ls]

well here is where I am at. I am waiting for a bit, so I have several items to make molds of at once before I start pouring the RTV. you can see the outter ring and the spoke that will be copied so that they are all exactly alike

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/vertmodelconversion005.jpg

[black2002ls]

Not much to update here. I decided to go ahead and mold and cast the LSx for resale. Hopefully that will help raise some funds for this thing. With the spring semester in full swing, and taking 6 classes to graduate, Time is slim. I need to rebuild the LS7 oil pan, and am seriously considering re-working the heads, since I am planning on selling this beast. This time around there will more than likely be separate head and valve cover, probably something like the valve covers Steve used on penny.Hopefully I'll have some time to work on this thing over spring break, I have the week off and don't plan on going anywhere

[black2002ls]

back from the dead. Talking to Danny there I got the urge to get some work done on this guy, that way I'd have something to show at the Showdown in March. I've got the oil pan roughed out...correctly this time. I found some nice reference shots. It now has the indention for the oil filter, which will accomodate the filter from the '69 kit. All that is left is to finish the kickout for the filter (modifications will be needed on the block upon arrival for any buyers), build the bottom of the pan, and construct the black for the feed and return lines for the oil system. I am unsure about the bolts as of yet, Not sure If I want to leave that up to customers to add or not. Pics are in the gallery

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF4136.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF4135.jpg

[vanzuuk1]

I am dying to see your model finished, I am impressed!



I have the same model,I took the lights and wheels/tires from an ebay rc car. I used acetate to make the glass a little thinner and sprayed base coat and clearcoat, wet sanded with 12000 paper


If you ever make a set of torq thrust style rims in this scale I would be your first customer.

[PASD U]

Awww man! Vanzuuk, I hadn't seen your Camaro (over on P-T) since you added those wheels on it. Looks VERY good! If ya ever wanna put together one for me, I won't mind.:thumbsup: Either of you for that matter.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[vanzuuk1]

Thanks. Do you mean the wheels on the full size car or the model?


They take a ridiculous amount of time so I dont build them for other people any more. The easiest way to end up with a model of your car is to get a 1/18th diecast from gmp and modify it. The plastic kits are a lot of work to finish nicely, the diecasts are more beginner friendly.

[PASD U]

I actually hadn't seen EITHER with the different wheels on it. Or at least I didn't recognize the models wheels. It's been awhile since I saw the model though too. I also, Coincidentally saw your car on a wheel website this morning too. Hahaha, odd. They both look outstanding though.

[black2002ls]

Finally some work on this beast. I'm getting back into the swing of modeling. Now that school is over. I have got the head just about how I want it. The back side is gonna be revell style. No detail, just flat, when the intake is all mated up you wont really be able to tell once it is detailed out. I need to find all of my tools and drill bits and drill out the holes for the spark plugs. I filled the gap between the head bolt holes with Tamiya 2 part epoxy putty. Then pressed in the RB Motion spark plugs. Let it cure then cleaned it up. As far as the heads go, the spark plug holes need drilled, and the putty work needs cleaned up and they are done. Make the valve covers, and the bulk of the engine is complete. I've sourced a junk coil, all I have to do is get with the guy to pick it up. Make the coils, finish off the oil pan, and the miscellaneous sensors and it will be complete. I'll be sending it to a friend over seas to have the intake made. If there is anyone here capable of small scale machining, please contact me, I've got some projects I'd like to see about farming out.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF4908.jpg

[black2002ls]

I'll try and get some 360 shots of the heads, and some good detail shots of the spark plugs tomorrow

[chevellez16]

that looks sweet!!!!can't wait to see the end result of the wheels and when you put them on the car. i have to get one of these kits for myself.
this is what i started working on last night.


http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r3/willdecletjr/HPIM1073.jpg

keep us posted on your project!!!

[G-Body]

Lets get some paint on this thing already lol good work keep it up lol:thumbsup:

[black2002ls]

its got paint...its just several pages back.

[black2002ls]

A quick update on what I've been working on. Got the valve covers done today. They are stock style center bolt LS7 covers. the head, I believe is complete. A coat of primer should tell whether or not it is finished. I've also been working on a 1 piece racing seat. Something similar to a Recaro Profi. I'm on version 2.0 which is proving to be a little wide for the interior bucket. I'm thinking some custom door panels should take care of that. thats about it right now. I'll try and get some pictures up soon.

[black2002ls]

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[black2002ls]

Alright. There was some tiger striping in the paint so I decided to repaint this beast. It is now sitting in a white base coat. Here are the paint choices I'm leaning towards.

Solid Color:

Sunset Orange pearl
Indigo

Stripes:

White w/ black or gunmetal hockey sticks
Black w/ gunmetal hockey sticks

I would really like some input on what you guys think so chime in and let me know

[PASD U]

Hope you don't mind that I bumped the pics of this beautiful color up so those have forgotten or just joined us can better help you without having to go search. I say leave it Sunset Orange Pearl with NO stripes. Maaaybe a different stripe, but I'm not sure about the hockey stripes. I'll have to put my mind to work and see if there's anything I can come up with. What's the word on the wheels? I saw some that might work for you, but they'll run you a little cash! PM me for details.



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MONEY SHOT!
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[black2002ls]

Thanks for the bump. Man looking at those pictures I want to go back to the sunset pearl. Only problem is, I don't have enough left to re do the car. I've got it in black now. I think I might see if I can get some hockey stripe templates printed or drawn up and spray it to see what it looks like. I could go for an SS? Hood stripe I think someone has done the black/gunmetal like that. Keep in mind there will be a few more of these done with different wheel and drive train set ups. So there will be more chances for color. I think right now, due to lack of funds I'm leaning toward black/gunmetal.

As for the wheels. I've started casting the spokes and should have something to show late tomorrow I hope. They will look a lot like the wheels on penny, same color with an aluminum "hoop" or sleeve for the wheel

[PASD U]

So you're planning on doing more than one of these? Maybe black with the Sunset Orange Pearl stripes then? I'd seriously try to keep it S.O.P. if ya could. We've seen quite a few black Camaros. I hope you can find the funds to go back to the orange, even though...once you go black. Hahaha. Can't wait to see the wheels too. Hell, I can't wait to see it all put together!


My thoughts if you're going to go black, do a "blackout", or all black. Possibly even gloss with satin black finish stripes or vice versa. You could do brushed silver just a couple areas for interest (ie. brake calipers). Do a search for "1/12 Ferrari F40 Lightweight". It's a bit of an expensive kitbash, but there you'll find pre made black wheels, calipers and rotors. Just an idea. :thumbsup:

[black2002ls]

At this point I don't see an end to the financial difficulties in the near future. I need to sand out the black and add another cote then its on to the hockey stripes.

[black2002ls]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF5820.jpg

[black2002ls]

Here is how its being done. the ring is two peices of styrene laminated together that I cut with a circle cutter. the spokes: I created one spoke to my specs, then I poured a one piece mold. I had trouble with the initial pour because the resin wasn't able to flow to the lower part of the mold. So I used some southern enginuity and opened up the mold from the bottom into the area where the spoke forks to allow the resin to flow down. Thank goodness this worked

[LateNight72]

Wow, fantastic work! :wow:

What about a black top with orange sides and a white hockey stripe seperating the two colors? Or orange top, black sides, white stripe? :unibrow:

[black2002ls]

The wheel is pretty well roughed out. I think I might find someone willing to put it on a lathe and true it up and clean up the center for me, also drill the holes for the bolts that would "hold" it to the outter hoop.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF5838.jpg

[black2002ls]

Well, I'm kinda glad I went with the black and gunmetal. Let me know what you guys think

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF5839.jpg

[syborg tt]

looks really awesome

[black2002ls]

Thanks. The batteries in my cam were about dead. I'm finishing up the hood and spoiler this morning. Should be able to get it cleared Tomorrow morning or Thursday. I'll get some outside shots when I do.

[PASD U]

Clean. Better than what I expected. Look forward to the next set of pics. So :D when can we expect to see some wheels on this thing?

[black2002ls]

Well,

Its been quite some time since I've spent quality time here on lateral-g. I was browsing the open discussion forum and saw Nelson Supercar 004. That thing is AMAZING. It has encouraged me to dig this thing out and get back to work on it. I've messaged Tom to see if I can get some more detailed pictures and possibly turn this into a replica of this car. Hopefully I can find someone to do machining in 1/12th scale for me at a reasonable price. That would really make things a lot easier where the wheels and other various things are concerned.

[black2002ls]

This thing has risen from the ashes. I've got the base for the rear tires formed, I think I've figured out how to create a fast 90/90 intake, I've spent most of today working on the front sub frame, waiting on some molds to dry. I re-worked the heads, removing valve covers and making new masters for each. I'm waiting on the mold for the heads and the mold for the tread blocks for the tires to cure so I can start casting those pieces. The tires will be TOYO proxes4 20"front and rear. I am hoping to stagger the widths front and rear. I'm still looking for someone to machine some wheel "hoops"for me without charging an arm and a leg....

First off the tires. I'm not sure if there are pictures hiding in here somewhere, but before all of my stuff got packed away, many moons ago. I had created a sidewall for a tire. I pulled that out, cleaned it up, and poured a mold. I took 5 of those and created the skeleton. 2 on inside and outside pressed together and one in the center for some support. Next I heated and wrapped a 2cm wide stip around the skeleton and glued it into place. Then I stacked 2 1.5mm strips and wrapped them around the center of the tire for the center rib. Once that was glued into place. I sketched the 3 different tread blocks that I needed and poured a mold. I'd much rather use a little casting rubber and be able to create identical pieces, than try to recreate them all by hand. My goal is to have a front and rear master, and cast them in casting rubber, we will see how that goes.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF6900.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF6899.jpg

Next is the front sub-frame. I had lots of issues with this, I re-did it about three times today, and come to find out, it is the chassis that is warped, not my scratch built sub frame. Once the kit is all together and everything is tweaked properly it should be just fine. There is still a lot of work to do with this. The bar where the engine will mount to still needs to be constructed, mounts for both the rack and pinion steering, and the a-arms and suspension need to be done.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF6898.jpg

[SRD Art]

Nice to see some progress, keep it coming...

[black2002ls]

Thanks. Its taking a lot longer for my RTV molds to cure than it should. That is holding up a lot of progress. I've sorted out the coil overs for the most part. I need to get to home depot and pick up some larger heat shrink tubing to finish the effect. I'm doing the majority of this stuff without a mill or lathe, so its using different techniques to create the "look"of the part, such as threaded bodies for the coil overs. I started work on the a-arms last night, but I think I'm going to have to re-stock my plastic rod and use that instead of brass. Does anyone have an idea of the OD of the tubing for tubular control arms?

[PASD U]

:thumbsup: Glad to see this plastic mutha resurrected. Keep us up to date.

[black2002ls]

A little more work done on this thing. Got it all sanded down and some fresh clear on it. I left out the trash this time, but a nice coat of orange peel took its place, gotta love the learning curve. The big update, well atleast the pictures are for the front suspension. I've got the base for the passenger side upper A-Arm done. I modeled a Detriot Speed and Engineering unit. The frame is different size brass tubing soldered together. The finer details will be done with styrene. I did this by first bending the outer bars, then it was all tacked to the kit a-arm to keep the proper placement. Then everything was soldered together. It ruins the kit part, but makes for a great template!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF6920.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF6916.jpg

[PASD U]

Awesome.

[black2002ls]

Thanks. Still needs quite a bit of work. I need to re-stock my styrene stash before this makes much more progress. Oh and my tools need some upgrades. Now if I could only find a willing machinist to help me out.

[SRD Art]

Dude, you're outta control with the detail. Excellent work, keep it going...:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[black2002ls]

Well this thing keeps giving me fits, I wonder if I'll ever finish it. I finally got some kind of mold for the tread, got a couple of blocks cast, and well the resin I have isn't flexible enough to allow it to form around the tire. If I keep starting over, I will never finish any parts. So instead of Toyo Proxes 4 tires. They are now going to be BFGoodrich TA/KD's. The tread blocks are all square. Careful measurement and I can use styrene instead of casting them. I've got to wait a bit to re-stock my styrene supply, or Maybe I'll cut some strips from the sheet I have. Who knows. Thanks for keeping up with this and the words of encouragement. Ah the world of scratch building parts.

[PASD U]

You know what though...keep all the prototypes and start a 1/12 aftermarket to recoup costs, time and headaches. Who knows all this hard work and frustration could pay off 10 fold in the end.:thumbsup: Don't let the set backs stop you. You're further along on your plastic than I am on any of the 10 diecast projects I keep saying I'll build.

[black2002ls]

Thanks for the words of encouragement. I never thought I would be working on this thing long enough to eclipse 4 years. I've spent some time today working on the rear end, hopefully achieving a somewhat completed sub assembly. Its going to be stock looking, the 4 link brackets, with the addition of some machined aluminum bolts on the diff cover. This is just the housing, I've got additional plans for the axles, which I can't really carry out until I have the wheels completed

[black2002ls]

A little update. You can go back through and see how the rear end housing was modified and the additions that were made. I drilled holes where the diff cover bolts were, then sanded them all flush. After that was done, I painted the housing with duplicolor primer then followed with some wal mart gloss black. After the paint cured, I then added the machined bolts with a bit of super glue. Hopefully the detail shows up in the pictures. I'm going to call this completed sub assembly number 1!!!

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[PASD U]

Looks nice. Gonna look good peeking from underneath the Camaro.

[SickSpeedMonte]

Looks great! :hail:

I used to build 1:24 models, but I find that I don't have that much patience anymore. Maybe I'll get back into it.

It would be cool to find a 1:12 and do it up like you are. Where do you get your materials for scratch building?

[black2002ls]

Glues, plastic stock, and metal stuff I get at www.hobbylinc.com most reasonably price place I've found. The other bits, machined bolts and such, just whoever is willing to machine them for me

[PASD U]

Have you ever considered using parts from 1/12 diecast cars? It would be expensive BUT...maybe not as expensive as machining/scratchbuilding some pieces. I think the Kyosho Ferrari or Autoart Lamborghinis would be nice starting points. If not anything else the tires and maybe seats would be good things to kitbash.

[PASD U]

Forgot to mention the brake calipers and rotors depending on what you got IF you were to go that route. Also forgot the Tamiya Porsche Carrera GT...has some really nice Baer 6P style calipers.

Here's a YouTube video that highlights an F40. You can also find an Enzo and the Porsche in the links over on the right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVGRY8TBEbY

[black2002ls]

Kit bashing is really too expensive an option. The limited usability of the parts as well as there not being a guarantee that they would work with the rest of the parts. I have found a 1/12th F1 kit that I'm going to pick up for $15 for the turbos. Short of that, its best to try and find someone to machine the bits and pieces for me, or to find someone with 1/12th kits that will allow me to borrow parts and cast them. I am hoping that my new business venture pans out and I can purchase a mill and lathe.

[black2002ls]

Well a small little update for tonight. Only one picture, but its taken me about 3 hours worth of work to get this one little part done. I've got the passenger side lower 4 link arm done. Well its mocked up. Teh part that mounts to the housing is done. And, as I type this I realize that I've made a mistake. The adjustable end should go on the housing side, and the stationary end goes on the chassis side of things. Well looks like thats going to require some correction. Anyway, this is the way all 4 4-link arms will look. The uppers will be shorter. They are constructed of brass, aluminum, and styrene. Painted flat black, followed by testors dull cote, and finished off with machined aluminum bolt heads and nuts from Hiroboy.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF6935.jpg

[black2002ls]

Got some major work done on this guy. The rear 4-link is pretty well finished up as far as fab work. I may have to break apart the inner bars and adjust them a little bit, it looks as though the pinion angle is going to be a bit out of whack. I'm still unsure as to how I'm going to secure the outer bars as everything else is drilled and pinned with styrene rod so that it will actually articulate. There may be enough for me to build a box to attach them with and insert it into the front leaf spring mounts after everything is detailed. the only thing not painted as far as the 4-link goes is the panhard bar. It may need some adjustments as it looks as though right now it may be in the way of the coil overs. They aren't complete yet so I haven't been able to check. Enjoy...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF6943.jpg

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[black2002ls]

Just a quick photo update. I cut some styrene circles to help me mock up the rear end and get the lengths fo rthe 4-link set correctly. I also used these to get an idea of what this beast is going to look like at ride height. I noticed that I'm going to have to re-work the front sub frame, yet again. The cross member that spans the length between the a-arms is hanging too low I think. There is a possibility it may be about right. I'll need to get the front suspension just about worked out to know for sure. Enjoy...

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[black2002ls]

Also, I'm looking for someone who can machine some wheel sleeves for me. If you could imagine the outer hoop of the wheel, I basically need for of those in 2 different sizes, 2 front and 2 rear. Any volunteers?!?

[PASD U]

Coming along nicely.

[black2002ls]

Thanks. I'm quickly approaching a stand still with this thing until I can get some wheel sleeves machined. I came across some old messages on a car modeling forum I frequent. Hopefully the guy is still willing to have a look at my parts and see what he can do.

[black2002ls]

How about some new pictures and an update. I've made some headway one the Turbo, it also looks like I may have created a centrifugal supercharger as well in 1/12th scale, the compressor housing could be used as just that with some slight modification. There will be 3 primary parts, the compressor housing, the turbine housing, and the center section. The center section will have the oil feed and return connections, as well as have the turbine wheel on both ends so that they are visible. I've been hunting down as many reference shots as I can on the net, if anyone sees any errors or details I need to add, please chime in. I've not seen a turbo close up with intention of making a scale replica...

Current assembly from the side

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF6962.jpg

Current assembly from the front

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF6963.jpg

Close up of the rear of the compressor housing

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF6967.jpg

Current state of the 3 pieces

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF6965.jpg

[black2002ls]

How about a statistical update as well, this build is posted on 3 different forums. A car modeling forum and 2 car enthusiast forums:

The build started in November of 2005 with hopes of completing it within 12 months.

It has been viewed 51622 times and spans 33 pages between the 3 forums.

[PASD U]

Wow. I don't know what's crazier, the details on this thing (made possible by your skills) or the data you just posted.:lol: Either way, I'm glad folks continue to peek in and you continue to post up progress. :thumbsup:

[syborg tt]

looks really awesome.

I can't wait to see it on a motor.

[black2002ls]

Thanks guys. Still a long ways to go. Especially since I'm still having some trouble finding someone to machine the wheels. I wonder if forgeline will sponsor the project and make me some 1:12th scale replica's?!? lol

Marty, let me know when you want a replica of the syborg!

[syborg tt]

Marty, let me know when you want a replica of the syborg!

Just say when and I'll send you the pictures and a 1/20 Die Cast of the truck

[email protected]

[black2002ls]

Well I think its about time for an update on this thing. I've taken some time off to try and re-arrange/begin re-modeling my house. As well as working on some smaller 1/24th scale masters to cast and sell. I've also found someone who is going to machine the wheel sleeves for me. As soon as I get those back, I will get started on the third set of wheel centers. I also need to work out a template for the bolt pattern so that when I go to drill all of that stuff it is correct this time around.

I dug out the old brake molds and cast some of those parts. I want this car to be as realistic as possible, incorporate cutting edge technology and not break the bank. Well I thought the perfect place to cut back on cost would be the brake rotors. Instead of having 4 rotors machined out of aluminum, I decided to re-use the resin casts I had for the front rotors. I found a picture of a ZR-1 Corvette's front carbon ceramic rotors:

http://image.automobilemag.com/f/multimedia/photo_gallery/8068821/0712_15z_1024x768+2009_chevrolet_corvette_ZR1+carb on_ceramic_brakes.jpg

To be honest, looking at this thing a second time, I may do my best to duplicate those rotors as well. I think that anodized blue look will fit right in behind the wheels. Anyway, after getting some help on how other people are achieving this look, in scale, I devised this method:

I started with a base of flat black. Then I dug out some Duplicolor Gunmetal. I held the can away from the part so as to only get some spatter of color, repeated until I had the desired effect.

And now the finished part:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF7029.jpg

Now that I see them side by side, they need a little bit of work, more of a metallic look than a black look...

[syborg tt]

Looks awesome

Well I think its about time for an update on this thing. I've taken some time off to try and re-arrange/begin re-modeling my house. As well as working on some smaller 1/24th scale masters to cast and sell. I've also found someone who is going to machine the wheel sleeves for me. As soon as I get those back, I will get started on the third set of wheel centers. I also need to work out a template for the bolt pattern so that when I go to drill all of that stuff it is correct this time around.

I dug out the old brake molds and cast some of those parts. I want this car to be as realistic as possible, incorporate cutting edge technology and not break the bank. Well I thought the perfect place to cut back on cost would be the brake rotors. Instead of having 4 rotors machined out of aluminum, I decided to re-use the resin casts I had for the front rotors. I found a picture of a ZR-1 Corvette's front carbon ceramic rotors:

http://image.automobilemag.com/f/multimedia/photo_gallery/8068821/0712_15z_1024x768+2009_chevrolet_corvette_ZR1+carb on_ceramic_brakes.jpg

To be honest, looking at this thing a second time, I may do my best to duplicate those rotors as well. I think that anodized blue look will fit right in behind the wheels. Anyway, after getting some help on how other people are achieving this look, in scale, I devised this method:

I started with a base of flat black. Then I dug out some Duplicolor Gunmetal. I held the can away from the part so as to only get some spatter of color, repeated until I had the desired effect.

And now the finished part:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF7029.jpg

Now that I see them side by side, they need a little bit of work, more of a metallic look than a black look...

[Murco]

Thanks. I'm quickly approaching a stand still with this thing until I can get some wheel sleeves machined..
Have you considered/tried copper tubing from Home stores? They come in many different sizes and take plating very well!
Here is one of my old builds, a replica of Charlie Lillard's #3 ZL1 Camaro
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/Murco/Camaroquarter-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/Murco/ZL1engine-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/Murco/Camaroengine-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/Murco/Camaro3.jpg
I'm actually working on a 1/12 Camaro now, much like yours but not quite so awesome! I don't have pics yet, I'm planning to debut it at the Salt Lake GSL.

[black2002ls]

Blast from the past! Copper tubing I don't think is an option. We are talking 1.5 - 2" in diameter. I've not worked on this in QUITE some time. And actually all of my stuff is in storage at the moment.

[stevebucknor1]

Got a little more done on the tranny. the main body is complete. all that is left now is the tail shaft. and then all of the ribbing and details. I'm seriously considering scratch building an LS1 for this is the best......Since this is going to be my dream car in scale......but time will tell. Also did some of the body mods. I opened up the marker lights and they will all be flush with the body.

[black2002ls]

Wow, not sure what steve was trying to do there, but I see he is banned now! If anyone is still following this, I'm trying to resurrect it. I'm looking for someone willing to try and machine some wheels for me... Any takers? Anyone know someone who might try?

[Ralphlovs72chev]

I have been following along for a while and i feel your dissapointment with the wheels. I too have had no luck with wheels. All i did was go to my local hobbie shop to see what they have and this is what I found. These are RC wheels with Tamiya tires. Looks like they are 18 inch wheels.I had to modify the tires to fit the wheels. Maybe you can modify the wheels to fit your inserts. If i were you i would stick with your original engine if you still have it. It was coming along nicely. As for the turbos you are doing an awsume job. Dont stop keep going. Like you i been on this thing for 4 yrs now. Recently tryed doing the Rally sport option with the results you see. If you have any question about the wheels i will be more happy to answer them.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/Ralphlovs1969cars/model038.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/Ralphlovs1969cars/model018.jpg

[black2002ls]

I found a guy locally who said he was willing to try and machine them for me, we have yet to discuss cost. I also found www.micronitro.com I believe thats the guy I've been talking to. He makes a lot of 1/24th scale custom machined aluminum wheels. He said that he could make my 1/12th scale wheels, It would cost $125 for him to create the CAD and CNC files, then $35 a wheel. Not too outrageous. I'm currently looking for someone who can make the cad and CNC files that would be compatible with his set-up

[PASD U]

Don't forget about this project. :thumbsup: Dying to see the finished product.

[black2002ls]

Not a lot to update here. Still fighting with the wheels, as I need to get them done to finish up the suspension geometry so it is some what correct. This one is still a bit on the back burner, however I had a lot of interest on this here, and a lot of people following it. I just want to let you guys know that I haven't forgotten about it!

I stopped by Wild Bill's in Irving today and browsed around a little. I came across some HPI Wheels that I thought were the right size. From there, I went to Rockwall and stopped at Hobbytown USA for some more plastic tube. There, I found some HPI tires, Falken Azenis I believe. After spending too much money, here is what I came home with, They are bigger than what I was hoping for though hopefully I can make them look right. Not quite as impressive as fully machined, or scratch built, however, It will hopefully save time and get me motivated for this thing.

The HPI wheels and tires
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF0072.jpg

With the 1/12th GT500 wheels
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF0071.jpg

A couple of views showing height/size difference
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF0073.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF0074.jpg

Finally, a couple of shots of the wheels under the body. The GT500 wheel and tire in the back, the HPI wheel in the front
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF0075.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF0076.jpg

One thing I have learned with model cars, more often than not, bigger wheels typically look better, not sure how I feel about the HPI wheels though. I think they are on the verge of too big.

and a pic of jackass that shows that, in all reality, they aren't all that over sized.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_2635.jpg

My intention is to remove the wheel centers and re-work them a little bit, creating a ring for the center that will have the bolts (think 2 or 3 piece wheel), once that is done, have someone machine some "sleeves". Just some aluminum cylinders that will serve as the outer part of the wheel, along with those sleeves a thin aluminum ring that I can adjust the depth with and fasten in place some how

[black2002ls]

The more I look at that picture of jackass (the full size Camaro I posted), the more I think the wheels may be ok the way they are, and just alter the width of the fronts.

Then change the body color back to the original sunset orange metallic or going with cyber gray metallic and paint the wheels aluminum with a gunmetal center....

[PASD U]

I do agree about returning to the Sunset Orange color. It's still hard to get a visual of if the wheels will look properly scaled to the car. Can you post some pictures with the tires installed and more lighting? Some guys on the diecast forum have been able to find vendors that have machined them wheels. I'm not sure if you still want to go this route but depending on the cost and if you wanted to create more for the purpose of selling them, you could find out who they went through. Could be worth it just to look into it.

[black2002ls]

I do agree about returning to the Sunset Orange color. It's still hard to get a visual of if the wheels will look properly scaled to the car. Can you post some pictures with the tires installed and more lighting? Some guys on the diecast forum have been able to find vendors that have machined them wheels. I'm not sure if you still want to go this route but depending on the cost and if you wanted to create more for the purpose of selling them, you could find out who they went through. Could be worth it just to look into it.

I found some people who could cnc machine what I wanted. The problem was that it was going to cost about $300. Which, with what the machine fittings and goodies already planned are going to cost, would put this build over $1000. I will get some better pics up this evening. One thing Ive learned with model cars is that there two kinds of correct. Technically correct (proper scale measurement) and visually correct. Technically is typically visually small. Visually is typically technically big. I think these wheels would scale out to nearly 22" or more. However, when the tires are compared to those in the new revell gt500 kit, the OD is nearly the same.

I plan to strip the body, take care of a few things that bug me, re-prep for paint and have it sprayed either sunaet orange or cyber grey

[PASD U]

Yeah, I know what you mean on the "correct" issue. I've seen a few diecast cars that were technically correct but the wheels came off as teeny looking.

I think Cyber Gray would look good too, actually. I will say though, unless you DO do (not doodoo) machined wheels or black wheels, there may be a whole lotta gray on gray on gray going on. Lots of gray could be kind of flat on visual appeal to the casual observer. I know you're not doing this build for US, but to me it's something I consider when customizing or picking out a new model. Like I said though, consider having enough machined wheels built to sell. Custom 12th scale wheels are nonexistent. I know I would love a set of custom 12th scale wheels for a Lamborhghini.

[black2002ls]

I've got one more lead to follow up on for the wheels. If I did cyber gray and kept the same wheels, I would paint them aluminum in color so as not to over do the gray. Not sure, I want to make sure I do whatever is going to pop the most on a contest table.

I will get some pictures up with the "big" wheels in just a bit

[black2002ls]

Here are a couple of better pictures. I think that with them done with "aluminum" lips they will be ok. that gray is a little much right now. Also, as expected they look a little big, even as full scale goes. The last two pics show the original plan for the wheels/tires from earlier in the build. Just ran the numbers, the RC wheels scale out to ~25" wheels

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF0115.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF0116.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF6950.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF6951.jpg

[PASD U]

(scratches head) They look a bit tall to me, especially the front. I would guess you have the best vantage point though. I wish they were perfect no questions asked...I'm sure you more than me Hahaha.

What design will you go with if the wheel lead pans out?

[black2002ls]

probably the same design. though with more detail and some offset. I have an extra set of wheels from the new GT500 kit and am thinking they can be modified to ZR1 wheels. im not sure yet. I am open to wheel options

[PASD U]

I wonder if you could ask permission to do one of the vendor wheels on here? It would be good exposure for them if nothing else.

[black2002ls]

I wonder if you could ask permission to do one of the vendor wheels on here? It would be good exposure for them if nothing else.

What would be even better would be for a vendor to hook up with this and machine me some 1/12th scale replicas :unibrow:

I just sent a message to steven rupp to see if he had a good contact at forgeline that he thinks might be able to help me. We will see what comes of it

[PASD U]

I was thinking them, Rushforth or NewGen. The latter are newer companies that may be more willing to venture out into something like this for "cross-pollination" sake...or even just for the hell of it. LOL

[black2002ls]

A little update on this. As awesome as it would be to say that the wheels are fully machined, I've found an alternate route. www.shapeways.com offers 3-D printing services. Basically you upload a 3-d image file and they sell you prints of the design. I've spent the last couple of days teaching myself solidworks and working on a design for a wheel center. I'm not sure if I will go so far as to make the wheel "sleeves" or not, or if I will have someone machine them for me.

Here is a picture of what I'm working on:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/2JPG.jpg

The great thing about this is, the possibilities are nearly limitless once I'm proficient at solidworks. Some things will still be scratchbuilt, however, the items that I have trouble with, or can't get proportions right, they can simply be printed!

[black2002ls]

Still no physical modelling as of yet. I've been working in solidworks and learning its nuances and ways to get this all done. I have been able to create a new wheel center, wheel sleeves that are 11" and 9.5" wide, as well as a wheel stop. The way this will work is, the wheel stop is adjusted to the depth I need for the backspacing I want, then it will be mated to the outer sleeve. Once that is done, the wheel center will be mated to the stop. I've got the stop "drilled" for bolt heads, to mimick the wheel being blind fastened from the back side. Those bolts will be machined pieces.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/11assy.jpg

[black2002ls]

Another big hurdle for this build were the brakes. these are modeled after ZR1 corvette brakes. I got the "hat" and front rotor done last night. hopefully I can get started on the front caliper tonight.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/frontrotor.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/rotorhat.jpg

[PASD U]

Don't know why I never thought of this before but between what's going on over at one of the diecast forums and something you said kinda jogged my memory. Why don't you go with aluminum hoops and resin centers? The 1/18 scale market is starting to see some strides in that regards. I will say, Germany is like 1:18 accessory mecca right now. If you had a good design for the centers, you could adjust the hoops to be whatever. I think you'd just have to look at tires but from what I've heard, those can be done in resin too. Nitto Invos...yum. Some of these guys are "gettin it done" pretty damn fast from concept to production!

[black2002ls]

I'm not sure if I will have the hoops machined or not. That was the original intent. My plan is to use the printed pieces to get the suspension set up, as well as determine the backspacing. Once all of that is taken care of, I will decide whether to have the "sleeves" machined or not. I've got a few machinist friends so that may happen. As for the tires, at this point, my plan is to model them, have them printed, and then molded and cast in rubber. The only problem is $$$

[PASD U]

What is the range of what it would cost to get wheels and tires done, if you don't mind me asking? I don't understand the 3D printing apect yet. Guess I need to look that up.

[black2002ls]

3D printing.

Essentially, you create a 3D file, CAD/Solidworks drawing. Send it to someone and they print it in plastic. The machine essentially uses plastic wire to "print" the part!

It has been a while since I've done a cost analysis on wheels. The lats time I got an estimate to do it start to finish, sleeves centers and all was $250-300. For just sleeves, I would like to think I could get them done for $50 or so. but I'm afraid its going to end up closer to $100. Tires, to get them printed, it should only cost $20-30. I would get a pair of each printed so that they could be molded in pairs. I've heard rumors of the capability to print in rubber. That would make it much easier. Anyway, once I got the 3D prints, I would send them to someone to make molds. I know some people who create and sell resin copies of parts for the large scale models. I would essentially pay for the mold to be done and leave them with them and work out some deal to allow them to sell them. Typically molds cost anywhere from $50-200+

[PASD U]

Damn. On the one hand, $300 is expensive to spend on wheels for a plastic, static display model BUT...I'm crazy. Sometimes you can't dwell on the cost too much for too long. LOL To me, it would be worth it to have "that" set of wheels. I'd do it just because my OCD would never let me live with a stock model. If I ever get around to buying a 1:12 Lamborghini, I might get your source information. As of today, what's your color going to be?

[black2002ls]

Still not sure about the color. It will go back to sunset orange or get sprayed with cyber gray.

[black2002ls]

Well, I got a little package in the mail today. My prototype parts arrived from the 3D printer. It turns out that the mating ring for the wheel face wasn't printable in its current format so I will have to tweak it. The plastic I had these printed in prints very rough not near good enough for finished quality pieces. I have learned quite a bit so far from looking at these pieces. The most important: the wall thickness isn't as much as it appears on the screen! the sleeves are too thin IMHO. I am also on the fence about the overall look of the wheels. I feel like the spokes are too thin. I like the general design, I just feel that maybe the spokes could be a bit wider. As far as wheel size, this is what I've mentioned about scale correctness not always looking correct. These should be 20" wheels, though they still look a tad bit small.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF0136.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF0137.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF0144.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF0148.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF0138.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF0142.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF0143.jpg

[PASD U]

That does look pretty damn thin. Progress though.

[black2002ls]

I re-worked the centers and sleeves last week. I re-ordered those parts along with some trial runs of the brake components I have completed so far.

[black2002ls]

The new wheels showed up today. I'm VERY pleased with the way that the centers turned out. As for the sleeves, I made a slight error when I designed them, and they are WAY too small. This wheel center was printed in shapeways Frosted Ultra Detail material, and is very nice IMHO.

Here is what it looked like when it came out of the box, semi transparent

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/DSCF0152.jpg

A coat of primer applied

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/DSCF0154.jpg

Then how it looks under the car

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/DSCF0157.jpg

[black2002ls]

I got some brake components in yesterday. The rotor and half of a caliper. The caliper needs to be a bit smaller, however the rotor turned out really nice. I thought I had ordered a rotor hat but I guess I didn't. The rotors will be painted gunmetal, or flat black with a silver mist to simulate the carbon rotors from a ZR1 corvette. All I had available was gloss black, but it allows you to see the machined aluminum bolt heads that will be used to detail the brakes once I get a full set done and ready.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF0170.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/DSCF0172.jpg

[PASD U]

Ordered? Details por favor.

[black2002ls]

Ordered? Details por favor.

I'm lost?!

I went back and re-read my post. I assume you are talking about me ordering a rotor hat. I had created the part in solidworks and uploaded it to shapeways, but it never made its way into my basket for an order. I may have to fudge just a little on the brakes. It seems that the mounting tabs to mate the hat to the rotor are too small to be printed. I'm going to re-create the hat in a way that it doesn't need the tabs and order one of each and see if I can solve the problem.

[PASD U]

You said you "ordered" the stuff. Ordered them from where?

[black2002ls]

Ah, www.shapeways.com I am creating the parts in solidworks, uploading the files to shapeways then ordering them to be printed. Once I have all of the kinks worked out of the parts, I will be offering them for sale.

[PASD U]

Oh ok. I wonder how close you can get to real metal looking discs./

[black2002ls]

Oh ok. I wonder how close you can get to real metal looking discs./

These won't be done with a metal finish. They will get a carbon ceramic look. However there are a lot of companies making some very convincing paints to duplicate aluminum, magnesium, and all sorts of other metals

[67XR7]

this is awesome. makes me want to get out all of my stuff and start building again!

[Unit2]

One source for scale model disc brakes is Ebay. You can get actual metal discs and rotors for RC cars which are usually 1/10 scale. Check them out we just used these on a scale model we built for Toyota and they came out killer, I did buy two different sets and combined them to make what you see. I also machined some special hats to fit the parts. Check it out you will be amazed :thumbsup: What you are looking at is a billet alum scale wheel for a Lexus concept car that is being shown on the Auto show circuit and this is the scale model with a almost identical disc brakes as the actual car.

[PASD U]

That's a good idea. Cool looking model.

[RussMurco]

Any updates?? This looks awsome!

[black2002ls]

No updates. My drive comes and goes for these things. I've been trying to get motivated to pull this out and work on it, but it typically ends in me needing money for parts to move forward and I never seem to have it!

[PASD U]

You still out there? I've got some questions for you!

[black2002ls]

I haven't been here in quite some time!

For those of you who have followed this build from the beginning, you may remember the issue I was having with parts, and having to create my own. Not being able to find a machinist to help me with wheels, etc. Since moving into our new house, I have started to create a space for modelling and hobbies. Along with that, I have started visiting some of my old modelling communities. With that, I have found MUCH more support for these large scale models. A friend on the west coast made a master for a 1/12th scale LS1 and was kind enough to send me a couple of copies, along with a pair of racing seats. There were two major items holding this build up, the wheels and the engine. Not being able to get the wheels completed was preventing me from figuring out the suspension geometry, setting final rear end width, etc. Not having the engine, also prevented from the creation of other items, the transmission, fuel system, turbo set-up, etc.

This should kick start this project, Once I get the block put together and cleaned up, I will get some good pictures and start getting this thing back on track! I also sent my wheel center out so that I can get some sleeves and lock rings made. Hopefully those will be back in a month or so. A member here has offered to see if he can create some 3D models of tires for me as well.

The original inspiration for this project was Bad Penny. So, after going through some old reference photos, I will be going back to dark sunset orange metallic. It feels good to be excited about this thing once again! It has been many years in the making, and I am ready to show off a finished piece!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20140805_204017_zpsgechueu6.jpg

And just for something else to look at, The tires will be TOYO RA-1's

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/PXRA1_Right_CLIPPED_zpseye3sdgj.png

[black2002ls]

I got a couple of pictures of the two halves glued together.

Detail is a bit hard to see in photos taken with my phone

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20140806_070901_zpsnkeba7pq.jpg (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/black2002ls/media/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20140806_070901_zpsnkeba7pq.jpg.html)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20140806_070844_zpstr2tuml0.jpg (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/black2002ls/media/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20140806_070844_zpstr2tuml0.jpg.html)

[syborg tt]

that is awesome

[black2002ls]

that is awesome

Thanks! It seems we talked about a syborg replica a few years back! When I clear some projects out, it is on the list!

[syborg tt]

Thanks! It seems we talked about a syborg replica a few years back! When I clear some projects out, it is on the list!

and the funny thing is that I have finished the latest project and I am moving on to another that I need to start a build thread on.

[black2002ls]

I finally got around to ordering a few more prints from the 3D models I created. I got a caliper and rotor hat in today. A couple of flaws, I forgot the mounting tab for the calipers, and the bolts for the hat do not clear the mounting surface of the wheels. All of the primary parts were printed from my 3D models, the bolt heads are machined aluminum from RBMotion

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/5_zpsjsddkhcw.jpg (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/black2002ls/media/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/5_zpsjsddkhcw.jpg.html)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20140809_181720_zpsvh72hqq3.jpg (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/black2002ls/media/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20140809_181720_zpsvh72hqq3.jpg.html)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20140809_181713_zpsyx4rggsc.jpg (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/black2002ls/media/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20140809_181713_zpsyx4rggsc.jpg.html)

[syborg tt]

keep posting

[black2002ls]

I will keep it updated as I get progress completed. I am still working on organizing my new hobby space. My wheels arrived at the machinist over the weekend. Hopefully in the next month or so I will have a set of wheels to start working on the suspension!

[Dirtmod08]

3D printing.

Essentially, you create a 3D file, CAD/Solidworks drawing. Send it to someone and they print it in plastic. The machine essentially uses plastic wire to "print" the part!

It has been a while since I've done a cost analysis on wheels. The lats time I got an estimate to do it start to finish, sleeves centers and all was $250-300. For just sleeves, I would like to think I could get them done for $50 or so. but I'm afraid its going to end up closer to $100. Tires, to get them printed, it should only cost $20-30. I would get a pair of each printed so that they could be molded in pairs. I've heard rumors of the capability to print in rubber. That would make it much easier. Anyway, once I got the 3D prints, I would send them to someone to make molds. I know some people who create and sell resin copies of parts for the large scale models. I would essentially pay for the mold to be done and leave them with them and work out some deal to allow them to sell them. Typically molds cost anywhere from $50-200+
Man, that's about $7,500 for the set of wheels at 1:25 dollar scale, lol.:wacko: Impressive detail throughout.

[black2002ls]

Well, time for an update on this thing. Thanks to 3D printing, I'm finally making some progress and getting excited about this thing. I originally started it with intentions of building something real close to Bad Penny. Then I noticed the paint issue and went solid black. Well, we are back to sunset orange metallic! I've added some CF parts (decals) just to give it a different look. Think auto cross.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/th_20170505_200846_zpsbrtoyzf7.jpg (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/black2002ls/media/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170505_200846_zpsbrtoyzf7.jpg.html)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170603_134317_zpsdgji1jpv.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170603_134323_zpsdtstjeep.jpg


I've also finally got a good, scale, LS engine. I'm trying to decide if I should go twin turbo or whipple. I'm leaning towards the whipple to try and keep the project moving and the costs down (all 3d printed parts).

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170603_134443_zpsk8to0qcd.jpg

and for size reference:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170507_170808_zpsvpfthfnk.jpg

I'm still fighting with the wheels. That has been a perpetual battle. I finally found someone to machine sleeves for the wheels I drew in Solid Works. Unfortunately, the finished product was not what I was looking for, and they ended up WAY too big. What is shown in the pictures above, are the wheels I'm planning to go with. A design I drew up in solid works. The "sleeves" are also printed and painted with a molotow chrome pen, to see how it turned out.

Look for more updates coming soon!

[syborg tt]

So cool and I think you should go Whipple.

[black2002ls]

So cool and I think you should go Whipple.

That is the way I am leaning. It will save $100-200 in parts cost, between the turbo's (whether I have them printed or make molds of the masters that I created), machined fittings, braided line, etc.

I'll be ordering parts this weekend. I need to go through the resin parts I have for the engine/transmission and see what all I want to use and what I want to replace. I'm hoping to have all of the major engine parts in a couple of weeks so that I can get it assembled and start detailing it.

[572Camaro]

This project is killer awesome!
PLEASE keep posting!
I too would go whipple

[black2002ls]

This project is killer awesome!
PLEASE keep posting!
I too would go whipple

Thanks. It's been going off and on for about a decade. I'm hoping with the new availability of parts, I can keep the momentum going.

The cool thing about those 3D printed parts, the guy that created the LS3 has a full set of internals too. It would make a sweet little diorama. The down side is the cost. The fine detail material gets to be super expensive.

[syborg tt]

The cool thing about those 3D printed parts, the guy that created the LS3 has a full set of internals too. It would make a sweet little diorama. The down side is the cost. The fine detail material gets to be super expensive.

Just curious what would they cost ??

[black2002ls]

Just curious what would they cost ??

1/8th scale, with the way he has everything listed in his store, about $200 for the parts. This is with the majority of the prints being in material that leaves a lot of texture. This is ok for the block if you are going for a factory cast look. If you want a machined, LSx look, it would need to be printed in the high def material which drastically increases the price. The other parts can be smoothed, though it would take quite a bit of work.

I know he prints 1/4 scale parts, though he prints those in house and I don't have a price on that. I could get a price if you were interested in a scale LSx diorama for a desk piece or something.

Edit: That total cost could probably be reduced if I had him put it into the store as a "kit" with all of the pieces in one file to print, that could reduce the cost.

[black2002ls]

A few things to try and show the process, and trials this thing has been through.

The over sized wheels I mentioned were going to be SWEET, had they turned out correctly. The centers had the look I was after, though after the sleeves got machined, they turned out to be 23" in scale I think, and once I mocked them up, they were entirely too large.

The process:

I drew up the wheel centers, printed some test pieces, and like the look, though I felt they needed to be a bit bigger, the original spokes were too narrow and I felt the wheel was a tad too small. Upon re-design I printed new pieces and then ended up stalling because I couldn't find anyone to machine the wheel sleeves. I finally came across a group of modellers who had a Facebook group dedicated to big scale modelling (1/16th-1/8th). It was there I got hooked up with a guy who could do what I was looking for. So, I set out to get the wheels finished, one of the major hang ups of this project.

This is how big they turned out:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/IMG_71936099380905_zpsulsmpdfm.jpeg

You can also see here that the guy machined the wheel sleeves for the center to be rear mount, I was looking for front mount, to replicate a 3 piece wheel. They were also machined with a "stepped" lip and I was looking for a smooth transition from the lip to the center. So, we talked it over and I sent them back to have him separate the sleeve and the mounting ring so that I could adjust the centers to the depth and mounting orientation that suited the build.

Here is what I got back:

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http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20141009_184202_zps6tedhk7s.jpg

Unfortunately when doing that, I was left with sleeves that did not have a smooth inner diameter, and mounting rings that did not fit snugly inside of the centers. Leaving me with parts that were all but useless. In the midst of all of that I thought about the lack of tires for the build, and once tires were on it, they wheel/tire combo was going to be ENTIRELY too large and look like a Donk.

[black2002ls]

Fast forward a few months and I got bored and started digging thought my box of parts. I found some tire casts that a guy in California sent me to mess around with, my original prototype wheels, and found that everything fit together almost perfectly:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/FB_IMG_1484793191642_zpsp0l2hxrw.jpg

They also looked right at home on the rear of the Camaro (notice the body was still black with hockey stripes at this point)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/FB_IMG_1484793240819_zpsxifa50cf.jpg

So, that set the wheels in motion to start trying to source parts, and reinvigorated the build.

It was at this point I came across some old reference photos as well as photos of the body when it was painted Sunset Orange Metallic in the beginning. This set me on a course to strip the body, which took about a month of soaking in various chemicals, and prepping to re-paint it SOM. This time around I used a mail order auto refinishing site and picked up some SOM in a spray can and got the finish I was after, minus the tiger stripes.

So, where does this leave me you may wonder?

The wheels need some work. The centers are a little loose in the sleeves, not so loose that they aren't usable, but loose enough to make getting them mated together square and looking right could be an issue. Ideally, they need drawn with a "stop" for the wheel center at the proper depth for the offset I'm looking for, problem there is, I don't know what offset I'm after! These aren't necessary, but would definitely help. In addition to that, I would like the spokes on the wheels just a bit "beefier" as the look anemic as they sit. The brakes that I designed need to be scaled down, as they were designed to fit the larger wheels, and now that I'm going with the smaller ones, they will not clear. Then, once all of the adjustments are made, I need to "group the parts" in a Solid Works file and upload them to be printed.

Anyone familiar with solid works? lol

[PASD U]

Glad to see this is still going. I've debated building one myself but I would get a lot more frustrated. I'm way too picky wheels/tires having the right look. Closest thing I found I could use was kitbashing the detail kits for Pocher Ferrari F40's or Lambo Aventador. There is/was someone even making aftermarket tires for them

[black2002ls]

Glad to see this is still going. I've debated building one myself but I would get a lot more frustrated. I'm way too picky wheels/tires having the right look. Closest thing I found I could use was kitbashing the detail kits for Pocher Ferrari F40's or Lambo Aventador. There is/was someone even making aftermarket tires for them

There are some guys doing some pretty cool things. 3D printing has REALLY opened up the 1/12th scale and larger stuff. There is a guy replicating Big Red, he commented earlier in this thread. He did a 3D model of the tires and is working on casting them in rubber.

Wheels are a whole different story, if you don't have CNC abilities to work in small scale, you are out some major coin. I'm still working with my 3D renderings and hopefully can order some test prints mid July to see if it is going to work. I haven't completely given up on getting wheel sleeves machined, though I am prepared to work with the printed sleeves and try to give them a finish that I like and gives the look I am after.

EDIT:

I ordered about $60 worth of 3D parts last night. I should have all of the major components for the drive train now. Whipple charged LS3 with a TKO 5spd

[PASD U]

Today is a day of coincidences. Was just watching a few Big Red videos last night and looked to see if any company had made a diecast replica. Would love a Big Red scale model, as well as a few other "celebrity cars"

[black2002ls]

Not a huge update, but figured I would chronicle some of the growing pains.

Moving to the smaller wheel means I need to change the size of the brakes that I drew up in Solid Works. I'm hoping to be able to accomplish this in the shapeways terminal and not have to completely re-draw parts.

Here are a couple of shots of the wheel size that I will be using. The aluminum ring has the same ID and OD as the printed sleeves, and of course a shot with the brakes behind the current wheels.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170630_075455_zps7q7xeyjg.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170630_075549_zps7nsamuxe.jpg

Hopefully I can find the time to scale the brakes this weekend and order some test prints to make sure that everything fits correctly after the changes.

[black2002ls]

Well, a box of goodies showed up today! Whipple, TKO 500, bell housing, and other misc goodies. I should have consulted with Ron on the bell housing. The mounting flange on the T5 doesn't match the bell housing, but that is an easy fix! The whipple is a very nice piece and the conical air filter mates right up. I will probably remove the fuel rails and injectors and create my own. I need to pull a few refence photos, it looks like the way the whipple is going to sit, I may need to scratch up a valley cover for the LS. Time to start counting for machined bolts and goodies!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170710_213334_zpsn16kq3pn.jpg (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/black2002ls/media/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170710_213334_zpsn16kq3pn.jpg.html)

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[syborg tt]

This is so cool.

[black2002ls]

This is so cool.

Thanks. I've been working on getting my work bench cleaned up and a spot to do some airbrushing.

I dug out all of my machined aluminum bolts this morning. I also compared the TKO 500 to the kit bell housing from the original motor. It looks like it should mate up pretty good, I need to compare it to the back of the LS3 block and see how it matches.

I'm hoping I can get some time this week to get these parts cleaned up, bolt heads removed, and primed. Then I can start on shift linkages, fuel injectors and rails, etc.

[black2002ls]

Put some color on the whipple this evening. The color on the body is burnt iron, magnesium on the TB and the backplate, semi gloss black on the pullies. I added some machined aluminum bolts the the back plate. Lots of detail still to add, but it is a start.

Due to this being a single unit, the fuel rails, injectors, and TB will be used and detailed. The only way to really super detail this thing would be for it to be printed in multiple pieces, or to cut it up. I feel that with some wiring, fittings, and paint it will ve convincing once it is nestled into its home. I will be adding some more detail to the TB to look like a DBW unit.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170711_194620_zpsyxpjjznd.jpg (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/black2002ls/media/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170711_194620_zpsyxpjjznd.jpg.html)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170711_194637_zpsmpcipbfk.jpg (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/black2002ls/media/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170711_194637_zpsmpcipbfk.jpg.html)

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[black2002ls]

I got a surprise when I checked the mail this evening! All of the bolts and A/N fittings that I ordered last weekend showed up. I was expecting it to take much longer!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170720_183854_zpsfebpigri.jpg (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/black2002ls/media/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170720_183854_zpsfebpigri.jpg.html)

Now I have to decide if I want to go with black fittings and line or traditional red/blue with stainless line!

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[black2002ls]

I managed to get some detailing and painting done this afternoon. Heads were painted with alclad aluminum. Added some RB motion spark plugs and then bolts in the visible locations. I saw a pic of a LSX 376 for novakane that had a black front cover, so I went that route for some contrast

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170722_171044_zps8eoezzpi.jpg (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/black2002ls/media/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170722_171044_zps8eoezzpi.jpg.html)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170722_171108_zps09eyglfp.jpg (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/black2002ls/media/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170722_171108_zps09eyglfp.jpg.html)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170722_171114_zpsjjpewnym.jpg (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/black2002ls/media/pro%20touring%20camaro%2012/20170722_171114_zpsjjpewnym.jpg.html)

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[asaenz]

The engine is looking amazing!!! :Tomcat:

[black2002ls]

Well, it has been a good long while since I have updated this. I have finished quite a few projects over the last 12 months, some pretty detailed, others, just models. I'll start a thread and share some of them soon.

[black2002ls]

A little upholstery on the dash and carpet on the floor!

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[black2002ls]

've got to share this, because it is huge. It is huge for so many reasons. Number one it gives me confidence. What you see in these two pictures is a pair of my 3D designed part bolted to the hubs designed by someone else. Little to no fitment issues! I now have a few issues with my wheel centers. If I want to stick with 00-90 bolts and nuts to put it all together, I will need to open up the holes in the wheels. I also need a relief in the back of the centers for the centers of the hubs. Which means I need center caps. These modifications can be done with a small drill press.

The biggest hurdle this will help me clear is to accurately figure back spacing for the wheels so that I can finally get those taken care of!

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