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Cris@JCG

11-23-2009, 07:37 PM

Lately I have been widen Camaros to give them a more aggressive look & tire room for bigger tires without mini-tubing, we are able to pull about 2 inches per side.. Going back to Trans Am days of flaring.. We have done this on67,68,69 & 70's Camaros.. Each have been different processes but are narrowing it down to what you see in the pics..

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/PC300018.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1010026.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1010027.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1010030.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1010029.jpg

XcYZ

11-23-2009, 07:45 PM

Now that is cool. I'd like to see more pics as it comes together.

gearheads78

11-23-2009, 07:47 PM

Now that is cool. I'd like to see more pics as it comes together.

x2 looks great

Joejaze

11-23-2009, 07:48 PM

Looks hot!

Just curious, how much labor/time is involved with this?

70rs

11-23-2009, 07:51 PM

You mentioned having done it to a 70. Do you have any pictures of that?

Cris@JCG

11-23-2009, 07:56 PM

It is hard to estmate cause each job is different.. But are about 25 hrs on the side you see here on the 67..

Looks hot!

Just curious, how much labor/time is involved with this?

Steve1968LS2

11-23-2009, 08:02 PM

I can't wait to see the Track Rat all done.. We did the backs different from the above but it has a really good look. The big moment will be when there's tires and it's slammed on the ground.

We also stretched the fronts one inch..

JCG does some crazy good metal fabrication work (and they make some killer billet stuff)

Thanks Cris...

Cris@JCG

11-23-2009, 08:02 PM

We did this on my 70 Z28! The second gen is has proven to be a challenge cause the door opening is very close to the wheel opening & it causes the lines to pull up.. On my 70 we have it pulled 1 inch on one side & 2 inches on the other side.. We were able to fit a 335 with the 2 inch pull :D Post pics tomorrow!

You mentioned having done it to a 70. Do you have any pictures of that?

Kendall Burleson

11-23-2009, 08:20 PM

Randy Clark( hot rod and custom stuff) did a firebird the same way killer job.:bow: :bow:

Cris@JCG

11-23-2009, 08:20 PM

Thanks for the compliments Steve & the opportunity to do this to the Track Rat! Lets just make sure we get a case of beer for Dick @ Best of Show when he gets the car back & has to do the body work again :_paranoid

I cant wait to see the car painted & assembled!

I can't wait to see the Track Rat all done.. We did the backs different from the above but it has a really good look. The big moment will be when there's tires and it's slammed on the ground.

We also stretched the fronts one inch..

JCG does some crazy good metal fabrication work (and they make some killer billet stuff)

Thanks Cris...

70rs

11-23-2009, 08:23 PM

Cris@JCG

11-23-2009, 08:25 PM

Yes they did! I knew we could do it also but theirs also opens up on the bottom..

Randy Clark( hot rod and custom stuff) did a firebird the same way killer job.:bow: :bow:

srh3trinity

11-23-2009, 08:41 PM

Mini-tubs have their place and keep the car clean looking, but this gives the car a little more muscle and visual interest. Well done, I want to see a Bandit era Trans Am stretched with 335's.

6D9

11-23-2009, 11:15 PM

I love the look. I wish I could have done that to mine......

tones2SS

11-24-2009, 04:54 AM

Now that is cool. I'd like to see more pics as it comes together.

I agree with Scott here Chris.
Looks very interesting. Would love to see a completed picture. I'm sure it looks great.:thumbsup: :cheers:

MaxHarvard

11-24-2009, 06:41 AM

Awesome! I've always wanted to do this!

Rybar

11-24-2009, 08:31 AM

Nice work, please keep us updated on these builds. I'd love to see how they come out.

Cris@JCG

11-24-2009, 11:01 AM

Here is what the inner wells look like!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1010043.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1010044.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1010047.jpg

Cris@JCG

11-24-2009, 11:09 AM

This is what it looks like when we stretch a 70.. The body line towards the door can be a challenge!

2 inch on pass side

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1010039-1.jpg
http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1010040.jpg

1 inch on driver side

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1010042.jpg
http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1010041.jpg

Cris@JCG

11-24-2009, 11:13 AM

Here is the Track Rat! Their will be a tech story on this in the January issue!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1010034.jpg

rogue

11-24-2009, 11:30 AM

Love it.

We're going to be doing this to the extreme on my car when I finally get it in the shop for bodywork. Have you guys calculated wheel sizes with the wider fenders? It'd be amazing to fit a 315 up front and a 335 out back. :lol:

Then I'm thinking vinyl wrap for a few years until I commit to paint and get bored with tracking the car.

Cris@JCG

11-24-2009, 11:59 AM

This is what a 69 looks like with a 2 inch stretch & mini tub with no frame notching on 345 30 19's... We have not done this yet to a 69s front fenders on any of the cars here @ the shop.. You wanna be the first!?!??! I have two project 69's that I will sell one of them.. you can pick one & we get started & keep enjoy open tracking the one you have now!!:unibrow:

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1010056.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1010055.jpg

Love it.

We're going to be doing this to the extreme on my car when I finally get it in the shop for bodywork. Have you guys calculated wheel sizes with the wider fenders? It'd be amazing to fit a 315 up front and a 335 out back. :lol:

Then I'm thinking vinyl wrap for a few years until I commit to paint and get bored with tracking the car.

phillym5

11-24-2009, 01:02 PM

Thats flat out sick right there! I like that a lot.:thumbsup:

tones2SS

11-24-2009, 03:08 PM

96z28ss

11-24-2009, 03:57 PM

the rear quarters on a 69 already bulge out some from factory I can't imagine another 2 inches without doing the same to the front to keep it looking proportional. Do you have a shot of what it looks like from the front looking back?

What does it do the the rear bumper fitting? also what does it to the rear spoiler fitting? On the 70 camaro it has to effect the 3 piece spoiler.

awr68

11-24-2009, 04:32 PM

What would this do to the handeling of the car if you don't widen the front track as well?

J-440

11-24-2009, 05:34 PM

This reminds me of the wide bodykits out there mostly for the ricer boys. Now looking at the above fabrication pics, you guys go all out with the fab/bodywork...which I'm loving by the way. But these other kids on the streets, do they just tack the fender flares on, cut the stock lip out and slap on some wider tires, kind of like a rush hack job? Just wondering b/c some of these "tuner" boys have fake turbos, coffee can exhaust tips, big wings, and the best one of all...the turbo whistle emanating from the exhaust tip from a kit they bought on E-bay for that turbo sound. Beautiful rides by the way.

Steve1968LS2

11-24-2009, 05:37 PM

What would this do to the handeling of the car if you don't widen the front track as well?

Well, it wouldn't do anything. In theory you would have some improvement in handling if the wheels were extended out to take advantage of the stretch (giving a wider wheelbase).

In other words you would want to do your wheels, especially the rear, to fit within your stretched panels.

Cris@JCG

11-24-2009, 05:37 PM

The 69 lines in my opinion are the best of the first gen Camaro.. they have bulge to them that makes them stand apart.. I wanted to stretch the front fenders but the customer liked it with only a rear stretch.. Here is a pic I have of the front view..

The bumper bolted right up.. Have not installed a spolier yet but I think we should not any problems.. It is hard to explain how the rear of the qtr & upper did not move much when we stretched the qtrs.. on 67 & 68 we have had to cut the bumper to fit but I think we found a way to keep from doing that modification.. have not moved further than what you see in the pics for 70's so I can't tell what it will do to a 3 pcs spoiler

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1010052.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1010050.jpg

the rear quarters on a 69 already bulge out some from factory I can't imagine another 2 inches without doing the same to the front to keep it looking proportional. Do you have a shot of what it looks like from the front looking back?

What does it do the the rear bumper fitting? also what does it to the rear spoiler fitting? On the 70 camaro it has to effect the 3 piece spoiler.

Cris@JCG

11-24-2009, 05:54 PM

awr68

11-24-2009, 06:10 PM

I understand and agree that wider is better...but I always thought/understood that the front and rear tracks had to match for optimum handeling/drivability. Or the front should actually be a bit wider than the rear....like on a GM truck. I obviously have no idea! :lol:

Great work BTW!!

syborg tt

11-24-2009, 08:26 PM

You guys do some incredible work.

At Sema there was a 2nd gen Camaro that did a stretch but it circled around the wheel opening.

The tire was a 315 with plenty of room to go bigger ( 2" added )

man i love this concept

http://www.garagescene.net/gallery2/d/46188-1/2009+11-05+Sema+411.JPG

http://www.garagescene.net/gallery2/d/46195-2/2009+11-05+Sema+413.JPG

http://www.garagescene.net/gallery2/d/46196-1/2009+11-05+Sema+414.JPG

http://www.garagescene.net/gallery2/d/46198-1/2009+11-05+Sema+415.JPG

http://www.garagescene.net/gallery2/d/46200-1/2009+11-05+Sema+416.JPG

sorry had to post a pic of the motor

http://www.garagescene.net/gallery2/d/46202-1/2009+11-05+Sema+417.JPG

Vegas69

11-24-2009, 08:32 PM

Not feeling the street rod stance. I dig it but only on both ends of the car.

nvr2fst

11-24-2009, 09:36 PM

Thanks Steve!

Lets use a C6 Z06 Corvette as an example.. 325 30 19 in the rear & 275 35 18 if I remember correctly in the front
C6 Z51 285 35 19 in the rear & 245 40 18 in the front

Pretty much same chassis platiform(cant find spell check) except the Z06 has the flares with additional suspension upgrades & brakes & yadada

Wider is better!

Im all for this mod, too bad you couldnt have talked the customer into doing the front as well IMO it would balance out better. For those of you that are questioning the rear stretch, Go back and look at the Razor the Ring boys did, must of you probably didnt know the rear quarters were stretched I believe 1 1/2" but the average guy would never have picked it up.
Thumbs up on this one!

The difference between the ZO6 widened rear fender and that of a base model c6 is for the wider tires only which was necessary for pushing the increased engine power on the LS7 according to GM, all suspension upgrades still remain the same width as the base model.

Cris@JCG

11-24-2009, 10:17 PM

I tried to get the front stretch with bigger tires on the front but he wouldn't .. Maybe the next 69.. I will have to pay more attention to the Razor next time I see it..

Thank you for the compliments!

Im all for this mod, too bad you couldnt have talked the customer into doing the front as well IMO it would balance out better. For those of you that are questioning the rear stretch, Go back and look at the Razor the Ring boys did, must of you probably didnt know the rear quarters were stretched I believe 1 1/2" but the average guy would never have picked it up.
Thumbs up on this one!

The difference between the ZO6 widened rear fender and that of a base model c6 is for the wider tires only which was necessary for pushing the increased engine power on the LS7 according to GM, all suspension upgrades still remain the same width as the base model.

customcam

11-24-2009, 10:45 PM

that White 2nd gen is nice

Street Rod stance?? I cant see it

syborg tt

11-25-2009, 05:06 AM

Gonzo,

On my little s10 project we widened the fenders a little different. First we removed the inner / outer fender from the bed side. Then I took the handy fender roller and spent about 2 hours slowly stretching the bed side out 1.5" to gain the need tire clearence.

I would love to send you the fender lip roller if you wanted to try this on a older muscle car that has real sheet metal if you are interested.

70rs

11-25-2009, 09:23 AM

tgvettes

11-25-2009, 09:28 AM

On the old trans am cars didn't they actually stretch the fenders out?
Any one know?

Tonny

Cris@JCG

11-25-2009, 07:30 PM

I would not mine trying this tool out :thumbsup:

Gonzo,

On my little s10 project we widened the fenders a little different. First we removed the inner / outer fender from the bed side. Then I took the handy fender roller and spent about 2 hours slowly stretching the bed side out 1.5" to gain the need tire clearence.

I would love to send you the fender lip roller if you wanted to try this on a older muscle car that has real sheet metal if you are interested.

Cris@JCG

11-25-2009, 07:36 PM

They did do some wheel well opening modifications but were limted to what the rules allowed..

On the old trans am cars didn't they actually stretch the fenders out?
Any one know?

Tonny

R67Chevelle

11-25-2009, 07:56 PM

That looks awesome... What would look real cool is if you could widen the front fenders to match... Then a wide body all the way around... How hard would that be to do?:willy:

But that Camaro has a real mean and unique look.... Definately keep posting, should look awesome when completed... Great work...:thumbsup:

Blessings,
AMS

Cris@JCG

11-25-2009, 08:00 PM

Here are some pics of some front fenders we pulled to gain front tire clearance.. 67 & 69 Camaros have a tapper towards the rear of the car & towards the front.. You will also see that I have a pic of cutting & pulling of the rear section only of the rear of the qtr to have a nice straight look from tire to wheel opening also attached is what the rear view on a stock Camaro..

I agree that front fenders need to pulled so that the car maintains some even porportions on the body lines.. I have had only one request for front fenders.. Track Rat! The car will look pretty damm cool :D

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1010033.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P10100322.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P10100511.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P10100533.jpg

GregWeld

11-25-2009, 08:00 PM

Isn't the White second gen with the Optima stickers on the doors the one that grenaded at Spring Mountain?

tony byram

11-25-2009, 08:12 PM

Man that 70 Z28 looks great Gonzo! I wondered what you did at th bottom of the doors as they are so close to the wheel well radius. Kinda did that to mine too. ALOT of test fitting and trial and error. But it was worth it.:thumbsup: Im running a 315-35-17 on the rear.

syborg tt

11-25-2009, 09:19 PM

I would not mine trying this tool out :thumbsup:

e-mail me your addy and I will send it off on Monday

[email protected]

evilzee28

11-25-2009, 10:47 PM

Here's a link to a '69 Trans Am that Year One modified a few years ago. stretched fenders front & rear.

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.yearone.com/enthusiast/articles/69transam/69transamimages/3.4overall2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.yearone.com/enthusiast/articles/69transam/69transam.html&usg=__UQ3ov7aOlefHeBRLAgBGKXM4ULw=&h=240&w=360&sz=25&hl=en&start=29&tbnid=-2IkzkxbhYsXfM:&tbnh=81&tbnw=121&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dyear%2Bone%2B69%2Btrans%2Bam%26gbv%3D 2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D20

cheers....Nige

cheapta

11-26-2009, 09:07 AM

When I bought my 69 Camaro the PO had bulged the wheelwells,both ends. It looked great but the actual bodywork sucked and it all fell apart in no time. Plus he did not finish the inner wells,they were just hacked for clearance. Sorry, I don't have any pics-that was in 1975....any pics from then are drawn in wooly mammoth blood on a cave wall somewhere.....

Peter;)

syborg tt

12-02-2009, 07:46 PM

I would not mine trying this tool out :thumbsup:

Shipped it Yesterday - You should see it Friday or Monday

Cris@JCG

12-02-2009, 08:25 PM

Thank you! be on the look out for it..

Shipped it Yesterday - You should see it Friday or Monday

camaro2nv

12-04-2009, 01:44 AM

Shipped it Yesterday - You should see it Friday or Monday

Put me next on the list. Ive been thinking about doing this for a while. If you wouldnt mind I'd love a shot.

Nine Ball

12-04-2009, 04:44 AM

Seems like there might be a good market for someone to produce widened quarter panels for the 1st gen Camaros. I like the widened look better than just a traditional mini-tub, it looks more aggressive to me.

Tony

srh3trinity

12-04-2009, 05:01 PM

I am with Nine Ball. Sounds like a great idea. Anvil could do some CF fenders for up front with these mods to pair up with sheetmetal bulged quarters.

Cris@JCG

12-04-2009, 06:48 PM

I am all for making the modifications on front fenders so that molds can be made :unibrow:
We just need to get Anvil intrested!! :D

tazzz2_ca

12-04-2009, 09:04 PM

I am all for making the modifications on front fenders so that molds can be made :unibrow:
We just need to get Anvil intrested!! :D

You've got mail (and possible interest)

tyoneal

12-05-2009, 02:46 AM

To All:

I think the time has FINALLY come for the Camaro to join the Mustangs with Trick Body Parts and Kits. They have had all this great stuff for years. The builders of 1st Generation Camaro's especially have done just about all the bells and whistles that are possible WITHOUT getting into the Body Modifications.

I am on board, and as the flared fenders and quarters come out, I WILL be a customer. This is one facet of the Pro Touring Cars that I have waited for the most.

The Firebird that was stretched and the overall look of the car, to me, look so bad ass it gives me the chills. Those are some of the characteristics that I have no problem buying for my car.

Just visually, I think they Scream Bad Ass and Awesome. Can you imagine how nice it would be pulling up to a ricer, with something that really did look, and sound the part of Vintage Breeding?

Make the Parts, I will buy!

Sincerely,

Ty O'Neal

deuce_454

12-05-2009, 04:06 AM

there are carbon fibre quarterpanels available for rx7's NSX's .. supras and such, they are bond on, and if its done correctly it is as strong as a weld... so a flared quarter skin with outer-inner fender and some front fenders should be the ticket

BRIAN

12-05-2009, 06:37 AM

I know guys look at glass stuff as kind of a cheap way out but with that much cutting and pasting you most likely are going to wind up with a large amount of bondo so fiberglass or carbon would be the way to go. Lighter and less chance of cracks in all those cut lines.

With new adhesives the 1/4 panels would be an easy bond on deal. Think of all the guys who want to do their cars at home and don't weld.

Good idea if done tasteful.

89 RS

12-05-2009, 08:32 AM

I like the look of the wider panels, looks awesome. Keep us updated with some pics.

Cris@JCG

12-05-2009, 05:19 PM

Their is some possible intrest for carbon fiber pcs with flaring :unibrow:

I will keep you posted if this moves forward :thumbsup:

LowchevyII

12-05-2009, 05:28 PM

ive got a 3rd gen nova you can try this out on!:lol:

Cris@JCG

12-05-2009, 05:40 PM

Sure! Bring it on over :D

ive got a 3rd gen nova you can try this out on!:lol:

tyoneal

12-07-2009, 02:47 AM

Their is some possible intrest for carbon fiber pcs with flaring :unibrow:

I will keep you posted if this moves forward :thumbsup:
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Great, this is something I would really like for my build.

Thanks,

Ty

WILWAXU

12-07-2009, 09:52 AM

Sure! Bring it on over :D
Hmm.. I have a 71 Nova... in Oxnard ;)

Too bad the owner is half a world away :_paranoid

syborg tt

12-07-2009, 02:00 PM

Put me next on the list. Ive been thinking about doing this for a while. If you wouldnt mind I'd love a shot.

Shoot me an e-mail [email protected]

LowchevyII

12-07-2009, 03:36 PM

Sure! Bring it on over :D

haha dont test me im only in anaheim:lol:

tyoneal

01-03-2010, 09:02 AM

Just in Case:

I have a 69 Camaro. I would love a 4 inch rear, and a 2 inch front. All sizes of tires would be possible and it would increase the track a bit.

If you make a rear flared fenders, make them like the fender for the convertible Camaro's, because:

a) Convertibles could run them also

b) I would just cut my current quarter panel where a convertible fender/quarter would fit nicely. Butt them together with some silicon so they done make noise, and dzus fasten them from the bottom, the inside of the door jam, and from inside the trunk. You might also consider leaving room for, integrating some functional scoops. Maybe a choice of two or three that would each fit the rear fenders holes, so people could change the look of their car from the next guy, or as you come out with new scoops, existing customer could change theirs out as well later on.

c) This system would also work well with the front fenders. Our cars need effective hot air evacuation out of the engine compartment. (Very Important) Come up with several tasteful, but functional vent choices for this issue, and you could appeal to a wider market. Blanks could also be available for people who don't want anything special on their sides of their cars, other than a wide clean body.

"THE REAL STREET FIGHTERS WOULD EMERGE", from the applications, and a new style is born.

Now you could have a Real Convertible of a different type, while remaining a hard top.

It would be REAL IMPORTANT to incorporate the Natural lines of the 69 Camaro Fenders, with a distinctive use of the factory leading edge of the front of both wheel wells. The uniqueness of the 69 styling should definitely remain.

I'm sure you already know this, however I plan on being a customer for this type of product, and I thought I would just pass along some preferences.

Thanks, and I can hardly wait to see what you have come up with. I don't mind taking a look at some prototypes, if you want some input from a very interested potential customer.:unibrow:

My car will be a, "Trans Am", Style and I would love to work with you for some advertising space on my car. These new fenders could me marketed very easily and effectively if people saw them in person, and knew how to contact you for some themselves.:thumbsup:

I am open to helping in the South, as well as promoting at big events.

Feel free to PM, or E-Mail Me, with pictures and ideas.

Now this would be PT Porn!!!

Thanks and Good Luck,

Ty O'Neal

I have also been a Guinea Pig on occasion if needed. :D

PASD U

01-03-2010, 11:56 AM

Smokey Yunick would shed a tear.

Cris@JCG

01-03-2010, 02:51 PM

Ty, I will take all your input into consideration when we work on designing these fender flares.. I am a big fan of functional vents & will look @ that as an option..

I have a meeting early next week with my local guy that does carbon fiber & fiberglass molds to attain quotes.. I also am looking @ the sheet metal stamping

It is a good thing that I have 2 69 Camaros of mine that one will be used for prototypes & have 68 Camaro that belongs to a customer that has been approved for fender stretching!

I think that a 4 inch stretch in the back will just be to much & will completely take a different look on the car, so I will only be looking @ doing it in a 2 inch stretch in the back...

Just in Case:

I have a 69 Camaro. I would love a 4 inch rear, and a 2 inch front. All sizes of tires would be possible and it would increase the track a bit.

If you make a rear flared fenders, make them like the fender for the convertible Camaro's, because:

a) Convertibles could run them also

b) I would just cut my current quarter panel where a convertible fender/quarter would fit nicely. Butt them together with some silicon so they done make noise, and dzus fasten them from the bottom, the inside of the door jam, and from inside the trunk. You might also consider leaving room for, integrating some functional scoops. Maybe a choice of two or three that would each fit the rear fenders holes, so people could change the look of their car from the next guy, or as you come out with new scoops, existing customer could change theirs out as well later on.

c) This system would also work well with the front fenders. Our cars need effective hot air evacuation out of the engine compartment. (Very Important) Come up with several tasteful, but functional vent choices for this issue, and you could appeal to a wider market. Blanks could also be available for people who don't want anything special on their sides of their cars, other than a wide clean body.

"THE REAL STREET FIGHTERS WOULD EMERGE", from the applications, and a new style is born.

Now you could have a Real Convertible of a different type, while remaining a hard top.

It would be REAL IMPORTANT to incorporate the Natural lines of the 69 Camaro Fenders, with a distinctive use of the factory leading edge of the front of both wheel wells. The uniqueness of the 69 styling should definitely remain.

I'm sure you already know this, however I plan on being a customer for this type of product, and I thought I would just pass along some preferences.

Thanks, and I can hardly wait to see what you have come up with. I don't mind taking a look at some prototypes, if you want some input from a very interested potential customer.:unibrow:

My car will be a, "Trans Am", Style and I would love to work with you for some advertising space on my car. These new fenders could me marketed very easily and effectively if people saw them in person, and knew how to contact you for some themselves.:thumbsup:

I am open to helping in the South, as well as promoting at big events.

Feel free to PM, or E-Mail Me, with pictures and ideas.

Now this would be PT Porn!!!

Thanks and Good Luck,

Ty O'Neal

I have also been a Guinea Pig on occasion if needed. :D

rogue

01-03-2010, 06:17 PM

It is a good thing that I have 2 69 Camaros of mine that one will be used for prototypes & have 68 Camaro that belongs to a customer that has been approved for fender stretching!

lets fit 335s on all 4 corners on mine :hail:

Mr.VENGEANCE

01-03-2010, 06:32 PM

Cris@JCG

01-03-2010, 07:23 PM

A little to much for me :D

better be careful tho.. might end up looking close to this.. ahahha

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1960-1969/1969-Baldwin-Motion-540-Camaro-SuperCoupe-SA-1024x768.jpg

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb29/sky_lava/1969-Baldwin-Motion-540-Camaro-S-2.jpg

i (to a degree) like it tho.. ahha

66LS7

01-03-2010, 07:31 PM

A little to much for me :D

I agree 100%, I like your more subtle approach.:thumbsup:

Randy(D&Z Customs LLC.)
[email protected]
1-262-347-9741

70rs

01-03-2010, 07:40 PM

I am also of the "less is more" school of thought.:cheers:

796spdbu

01-03-2010, 09:05 PM

I just threw up in my a lil...when I saw that red camaro..those wheels look all kinds of dookie..and those vents in the quarters..blah..

On a better note those flaired quarters are sweet!

phillym5

01-03-2010, 09:49 PM

That car could be pretty cool if they re did those vents.... and the wheels.... god... those wheels are horrible!! :lol:

tyoneal

01-03-2010, 11:42 PM

better be careful tho.. might end up looking close to this.. ahahha

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1960-1969/1969-Baldwin-Motion-540-Camaro-SuperCoupe-SA-1024x768.jpg

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb29/sky_lava/1969-Baldwin-Motion-540-Camaro-S-2.jpg

i (to a degree) like it tho.. ahha
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I think it would be hard to screw things up this bad. There is nothing correct about how the modification were added.

The fenders that I have seen done that use the leading edges of the wheel wells to, 'Tastefully", blend the flair into the fender look terrific. Jake had a picture of some of his on here that, FIT, the car. "This Baldwin Abortion", 1969 Camaro, has always made my eyes hurt to look at it. Plus, unlike the earlier ones they put out, this is something that wasn't even really designed to run on the street.

A Trailer Queen Show Car Only, at best. As long as it is in very low light, like blackness.

Ugh!

Ty

I think making a cube out of it would do the PT Community a Service.

Mr.VENGEANCE

01-04-2010, 11:09 AM

i like fat bottoms...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2453/3705073025_339e362cba_o.gif

GregWeld

01-04-2010, 11:26 AM

^^^^^^^^^ that is just offensive....

I'm speaking of Mr Vengence post as well as that nasty Baldwin Abortion.

You know why Baldwin cars are "rare"? Because nobody wanted them then either... LOL

rwhite692

01-04-2010, 12:18 PM

I realize we are going off-topic....Greg it's two different things entirely...The most recent "Motion" Camaros are (were?) an attempt by an aging Rosen to capitalize on the Baldwin/Motion name...the most recent cars (I have only seen two at Sema) are indeed (my opinion) quite grotesque.

But, to say "no one wanted them then, either"...eh...

Like Yenko, Nickey, The Baldwin dealership cars that went through Motion were certainly desirable back in the day, there were enough people (typically well-off folks buying them for themselves, or for their spoiled kids) to buy these cars. I grew up on Long Island (Port Washington) and my family used to deal with Baldwin and Rosen, He certainly didn't seem to have a problem bringing in money from selling modified cars.

There were many Motion cars built without all the visual stuff that people associate/identify with Motion (stinger hoods, wild stripes, etc). Plenty of folks got 427 conversions done and that's all. Many Motion cars have been lost to time and later modifications.

He did have a mixed reputation, people either loved him or hated him. Those guys built a lot of other wild stuff that many people never hear about.

tgvettes

01-04-2010, 12:23 PM

I guess I am in minority here but I do love that Motion Super Coupe.
I saw it live when it was sold at BJ a few years ago and I would love to have that car.

Tonny

nvr2fst

01-04-2010, 02:52 PM

better be careful tho.. might end up looking close to this.. ahahha

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1960-1969/1969-Baldwin-Motion-540-Camaro-SuperCoupe-SA-1024x768.jpg

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb29/sky_lava/1969-Baldwin-Motion-540-Camaro-S-2.jpg

i (to a degree) like it tho.. ahha

FYI- This particular Motion, The front fenders were cut, stretched and widened 4", the rear quarters were widened 5" and extended past the tail panel 2" making the tailights look more recessed than they actually are. The speed line off the fenders was also raised 1/2" making the car look lower than it actually is. There is a ton of metal work in the car but not something that veers towards my taste. Although we have done some body mods to the widening factor we did not go over 1 1/2". I believe the Razor camaro was 1 1/4" and Gonzo was right in there under 2". When you start going as wide as the Motion car IMO than the build should be geared towards nostalgia trans-am series and not show cars.

Cris@JCG

01-07-2010, 05:44 PM

Here are some pics of the 67 Camaro that I started this thread with on stretching the rear qtrs. I borrowed some 345-30-19 that I had lying around from another build so that we could see what the car looked like. The front fenders are not modified & think the car does not look to bad. Sorry that I could not get the car lower on the front but suspension got in the way. We could run this rear tire in the back of the car but needs to be mini-tubed!

What you guys think????

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1070033.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1070037.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1070038.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1070040.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1070041.jpg

KPC67

01-07-2010, 06:08 PM

Looks Great!

itsals1

01-07-2010, 07:18 PM

:thumbsup: Wish you had my 67' in your shop.
Travis

Cris@JCG

01-07-2010, 07:22 PM

I am sure we can we reserve a spot for you!

:thumbsup: Wish you had my 67' in your shop.
Travis

tgvettes

01-07-2010, 07:38 PM

I wish I could afford having someone (Gonzo) do this to my car. If it is going to happen I will be doing it myself.

Tonny

Kendall Burleson

01-07-2010, 07:55 PM

Gozo love that Texas Flair you are doing to those Camaro I'll have to sent my car to the other coast to have you do it to my car.Killer job

01-07-2010, 07:59 PM

Looks killer!

Do you have a shoot straight down the side from front to back? I would like to see how far the back tires stick out when compared to the front.

Richio1

01-07-2010, 09:57 PM

Gonzo, love the concept and the execution. Keep it up just dont go over board...( the red one) which I dont think you have. Cant wait to see one of them painted to get a better perception of the mod.

TJB

01-07-2010, 11:22 PM

Hey Chris - She looks GREAT !! Thanks for putting up the pics. -PB :thumbsup:

nvr2fst

01-08-2010, 01:01 AM

Gonzo, love the concept and the execution. Keep it up just dont go over board...( the red one) which I dont think you have. Cant wait to see one of them painted to get a better perception of the mod.

This is crucial to the build and body lines when it comes to paint. The objective is to have the novice camaro admirer think theres something done but not knowing what it is. Although Gonz is showing in primer, any fender stretch, body mod, etc. is at least 25% more IMO more defined in paint. So if you think its a little to much when viewing photos in primer than its not a "mod" for your finished project. For me as stated prior Im all for it if done right. I just think it looks better done on a 69 than 67/68 (which still looks good) due to the fact the body lines on the 69 are more enhanced already, the proportions are longer and wider giving you more area to work with, and the speed lines give you a breaking point. Just me 3 cents

Al Moreno

01-08-2010, 06:30 AM

Cris@JCG

01-08-2010, 06:38 AM

When you ready Kendall, we will be more than happy to take on your project.

Gozo love that Texas Flair you are doing to those Camaro I'll have to sent my car to the other coast to have you do it to my car.Killer job

Cris@JCG

01-08-2010, 07:51 AM

Hope this shot here will help you see what the difference on how tires sit on the car.

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1070035.jpg

Looks killer!

Do you have a shoot straight down the side from front to back? I would like to see how far the back tires stick out when compared to the front.

Cris@JCG

01-08-2010, 08:16 AM

Here is a pic of a 69 Firebird that we started working on last year & was close to paint. This will be the car we will be using to get molds for qtr panel & fender modications. It will be converted into a 69 Camaro! Sorry you Firebird guys but Firebirds are so easy to make into Camaros.

This 69 primary goal is body modifications! I will be using stock suspension cause it is cheaper to build that way. I will grab the 555 big block in my office & I think I have a 5 speed TKO lying around.

I will have to have one side of the car done by the 22nd, I will post some pics of the outcome! Doing a 2 inch stretch in the rear & 1.5 on the front or maybe 2 inch :D

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1070043.jpg

Cris@JCG

01-12-2010, 02:50 PM

Here is an update!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1110005.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1110006.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1110008.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1110010.jpg

tones2SS

01-12-2010, 03:15 PM

VERY NICE!! I likey. Good work guys!:thumbsup:
Looks like you guys are staying busy. I see some cars in the background!:thumbsup:

GregWeld

01-12-2010, 03:25 PM

LOVE IT!

Nice work!

Rybar

01-12-2010, 04:47 PM

Killer Work! :thumbsup:

This Money Shot will be making people line up at your shop to do this mod:

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1110005.jpg

Cris@JCG

01-12-2010, 05:35 PM

Good to see that you guys are liking this body modification! The 69 is my favorite on the qtr panel stretch.. We will be working on the fenders next :unibrow:

nvr2fst

01-13-2010, 06:43 PM

Good to see that you guys are liking this body modification! The 69 is my favorite on the qtr panel stretch.. We will be working on the fenders next :unibrow:

Gonz, I got to have Rodger stop posting photos, J/K
As mentioned prior, glad to see the customer went in that direction. Cant just stop at the back half http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/images/smilies/unibrow.gif
One thing I learned from my professor (Rodger) don't go to much or you'll end up with to much coke bottle styling veering towards the motion car. But maybe he's into that. If he ask you to cut the back half off the car Im sicking Rodger on himhttp://www.lateral-g.net/forums/images/smilies/lol.gif
Looks good and keep it up, nothing wrong with producing more product for consumers to spend funds on.
By the way Im suppose to remind you......................website?
Dave

Cris@JCG

01-13-2010, 08:06 PM

Thanks for the compliments Dave!

This 69 belongs to me & I am not cutting the back half off cause then I will have to have Rodger put it back on!! We are not that far advanced as Rodger & his crew when it comes to metal working..

I have been working on the web site!! Scott has shown me the home page & just completely stoked with it.. I need to get him some more informtion so that he can get it up & running.. You will be the first to know when it is up :D

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Gonz, I got to have Rodger stop posting photos, J/K
As mentioned prior, glad to see the customer went in that direction. Cant just stop at the back half http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/images/smilies/unibrow.gif
One thing I learned from my professor (Rodger) don't go to much or you'll end up with to much coke bottle styling veering towards the motion car. But maybe he's into that. If he ask you to cut the back half off the car Im sicking Rodger on himhttp://www.lateral-g.net/forums/images/smilies/lol.gif
Looks good and keep it up, nothing wrong with producing more product for consumers to spend funds on.
By the way Im suppose to remind you......................website?
Dave

nvr2fst

01-13-2010, 10:21 PM

Gonz, check your pm. You can laugh later.

Cris@JCG

01-16-2010, 04:00 PM

Here is what we have so far on front fender modifications! Still a working progress :D

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1150015.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1150013.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1150016.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1150017.jpg

DaleLee

01-16-2010, 04:06 PM

That looks killer!:thumbsup:

GregWeld

01-16-2010, 04:07 PM

Gonzo

Spin that thing around - and climb up on the racks and get an "overhead" shot so we can see the "fat and the pinch"!!

I'll give ya half an hour...

:willy: :willy: :rofl:

Cris@JCG

01-16-2010, 04:24 PM

Just for you Greg!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1160027.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1160026.jpg

Gonzo

Spin that thing around - and climb up on the racks and get an "overhead" shot so we can see the "fat and the pinch"!!

I'll give ya half an hour...

:willy: :willy: :rofl:

pokey64

01-16-2010, 05:47 PM

Lookin good! :thumbsup:

customcam

01-16-2010, 06:17 PM

Great work! Subtle styling
Thats going to be one Bad ass 69 :thumbsup:

GregWeld

01-16-2010, 08:14 PM

LOL --- You're crazy!

That really does show the fat stretch!

Now with the overhead shot you get a pretty good idea of how much that mod does!

Killer!

70rs

01-16-2010, 09:09 PM

I really like that. Not too much, just enough.:thumbsup:

66LS7

01-17-2010, 01:20 PM

Those Fat Bottomed Camaro's are giving me ideas for project "Pro-Scrambler".:thumbsup: Great Job!!

Randy(D&Z Customs LLC.)
[email protected]
1-262-347-9741

Cris@JCG

01-17-2010, 02:32 PM

Thanks for the compliments guys :D Sometimes you wonder if all the work on doing these modification will work out & not make the car look out of proportion!

door-ajar

01-18-2010, 01:06 PM

i am so doing this for my 70 camaro "fat bottom camaro= badass" i wonder if this would look good on a 3rd gen nova ,

ricer

01-18-2010, 01:47 PM

i noticed what appear to be a couple different methods on how you did it. Here is a link of a pretty bad azz firebird that did it what appears to be a "simple" way. If you guys have time scroll through the other pages of pics/info some pretty sweet fab work

http://www.hotrodscustomstuff.com/1968-firebird-15.html

tom091074

05-20-2010, 02:51 AM

where do i get one of these back space tolls from?

tom091074

05-20-2010, 03:00 AM

Found it thanks anyway.

skatinjay27

05-20-2010, 03:00 AM

where do i get one of these back space tolls from?i got this one gonz... ;)
http://www.jcgrestorationandcustoms.com/parts/

skatinjay27

05-20-2010, 03:01 AM

Found it thanks anyway.

damn hows that for timing!:lol:

syborg tt

05-20-2010, 06:34 AM

Got a quick quesition - tell me about the fixture you have laying under the car. What does it do ??

Here are some pics of the 67 Camaro that I started this thread with on stretching the rear qtrs. I borrowed some 345-30-19 that I had lying around from another build so that we could see what the car looked like. The front fenders are not modified & think the car does not look to bad. Sorry that I could not get the car lower on the front but suspension got in the way. We could run this rear tire in the back of the car but needs to be mini-tubed!

What you guys think????

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P1070038.jpg

Cris@JCG

05-20-2010, 05:32 PM

It is a rear end jig that we built to do rear-end measuring when setting up rear suspensions.. It works great for when we need to get OAL on from axle to axle when ordering a rear-end..

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/firebird075.jpg

Got a quick quesition - tell me about the fixture you have laying under the car. What does it do ??

Cris@JCG

05-20-2010, 05:42 PM

It is a rear end jig that we built to do rear-end measuring when setting up rear suspensions.. It works great for when we need to get OAL on from axle to axle when ordering a rear-end..

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/firebird075.jpg

Here is another pic of how it helped determine if my lower links on a Chassisworks rear set up was going to clear the rear tires & make sure that we mini-tubbed it enough!!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/P6030039.jpg

syborg tt

05-20-2010, 08:24 PM

man you guys make some really cool stuff

ps - love the new exhaust hangers on your site

Cris@JCG

05-20-2010, 08:59 PM

Thanks for the compliments Marty!!

I got a set of those hangers going out this week to a high profile build going here on Lat-G.. can't wait to see what they will look like.. cause Jason has some mad fabricating skills!!

PS- I finally shipped out your package Tuesday!!

man you guys make some really cool stuff

ps - love the new exhaust hangers on your site

syborg tt

05-20-2010, 09:10 PM

Thanks for the compliments Marty!!

I got a set of those hangers going out this week to a high profile build going here on Lat-G.. can't wait to see what they will look like.. cause Jason has some mad fabricating skills!!

PS- I finally shipped out your package Tuesday!!

Your welcome.

Next project I will have some of your stuff on the car for sure.

PS - I should have ad you ship it back with the Camaro I just bought from Cali

clu269

05-22-2010, 04:43 PM

How difficult would it be to widen a 1970 Buick GS? I run a fab shop and have both mig and tig in my garage. Is this a job that can be done in my garage? Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks Clu

GregWeld

05-22-2010, 06:18 PM

Clu --

As my signature states -- it's not having the tools as much as it is having some talent to use them...

I think your question is difficult to answer because who would know better than yourself whether or not you have the skills necessary to do the job correctly?

I'm in no way being argumentative here... I'm just saying - that when some asks "can I do it" -- I'd say - well? I don't know, can you? :cheers:

G-Body

05-22-2010, 07:10 PM

WOW ....love it!

clu269

05-23-2010, 05:20 PM

Greg, It is not a question of if I have the skills to do the job but rather how to go about it. Were to cut, stretch, add material. I don't want to use my car to learn on if their is info on how to go about it. I thought that if I inquired perhaps some one would elaborate on the subject. With this said I hope that someone can help walk me through the process of widening a Buick GS.
Thanks Clu

GregWeld

05-23-2010, 05:56 PM

Gotcha ---

Cris is the fat body expert - so maybe he'll tell ya how to do it..

You're looking for a template? Like doing a top chop on a 32 Ford... only for doing your car.

DFRESH

05-23-2010, 06:03 PM

Cris--we gotta talk about doing a set of front fenders for a certain 69 for a "Friend" of mine who wants to run a bigger tire. See you in about two weeks brother.

Doug

GregWeld

05-23-2010, 06:32 PM

Cris--we gotta talk about doing a set of front fenders for a certain 69 for a "Friend" of mine who wants to run a bigger tire. See you in about two weeks brother.

Doug

:rofl: :rofl: Gee..... now just who would that be? :P

Cris@JCG

05-23-2010, 07:28 PM

Hey Clu- Lets start with this.. get a pic from the door line of the qtr panel to the rear of the bumper, inner fender, & top view of the qtr panel.. Then when I have pics to view PM me # to call you on & will brainstorm on we can widen your panels..

Greg, It is not a question of if I have the skills to do the job but rather how to go about it. Were to cut, stretch, add material. I don't want to use my car to learn on if their is info on how to go about it. I thought that if I inquired perhaps some one would elaborate on the subject. With this said I hope that someone can help walk me through the process of widening a Buick GS.
Thanks Clu