Overhaulin Challenger

[Bakaruda]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Challenger-OVERHAULIN-1971-OVERHAULIN-CHALLENGER-CHIP-FOOSE-DESIGNED_W0QQitemZ330376796265QQcmdZViewItemQQptZU S_Cars_Trucks?hash=item4cebfdd869

Here is one of the Overhauling cars for sale. I would never sell my Cuda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bowtieracing]

How can they sell it after all that sentimental huggin and crying :unibrow:

[SUAREZ]

How can they sell it after all that sentimental huggin and crying :unibrow:


CAUSE ITS UGLY AS SIN

[Ravenous70]

i'd sell those rims quick, its whats killing that car the most

[Bakaruda]

My point is someone takes your car. They build it for you. Then you sell it. This is a hell of a good start. Wheels can be changed and upgraded.

[wedged]

"We have an appraisal in hand that puts this car at an appraised value of $295,000."



:rofl: Who ever appraised that car at that number must have been smoking something very very good. Without the Foose name and wheels, that car could be built for way under $100,000 and have a LOT more - EFI, overdrive, aftermarket suspension, etc. Chip is very talented, but that doesn't justify adding 3x the value of the car.


"This is a true, one family owned car that has been in California its entire life.'

Oh really ? The family lived in Florida for a period of time and the car was shown in Florida along with the sons Barracuda.

[chr2002ca]

That car needs to be overhauled, again. One of his Chip's worst creations unfortunately. Appraised at $295K? :rofl:

[Ravenous70]

That car needs to be overhauled, again. One of his Chip's worst creations unfortunately. Appraised at $295K? :rofl:

hahaha maybe that is why he is selling it, id ask for a redo:lol: either that or he just fell on hard times...who knows

[DRJDVM's '69]

Other than it sits too high....and the green in the interior is hideous.... I think its a gorgeous car....

[6T6NOVA]

The whole WORLD has fallen on Hard times. Just because the car Appraised at $295K, Does not mean he will get that much money. I wish him luck.

I have a friend that is building a pro-touring 70 Cuda. He is doing all of the labor himself. He has a 6.1 Hemi, 5 speed auto, Air ride, Booze wheels, Wilwood brakes, Vintage AC, etc. I would much rather have my friends Cuda.

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[72 RS/SS]

Bids haven't budged in a couple of days and with less than 24hrs. left and reserve not met yet, doubtful it will sell.

[DFRESH]

Unfortunatly I got ill on Thursday which left me home the whole day, and Friday as well. As luck would have it, I fell upon this paticular episode of Overhaulin. The car was given to him by his dad--the guy was ruined when it appeared to be stolen---he said he would never sell--that he would be buried in the car.

Maybe they had kids--lost a job, divorce--or maybe an offer they couldn't refuse,etc. I will say this, the car really looked nice on the episode--it sat lower for sure--it looks terrible in these pics.

Last thing, this company--Moto Exotica--I bought a 69 RS from the owner there about 4 years ago---terrible experience--car was completely misrepresented---I sold it 1 year later at an 8k loss--coulda been worse I know--would never buy from him again. I am laughing at an appraised value of 270k---

[72 RS/SS]

The appraisal is absolutely ridiculous and now with little more than an hour to go, bids have still not moved.
I usually like what Foose does to modify cars but this one doesn't do it for me.

[blown9746]

If I'm not mistaken this car was at SEMA and actually looks better in person.

I know one of the first vehicles done on overhaulin was in an auction this weekend (the rescue truck). Last year the same auction had the model A that was on the show that started out with a mazda motor in it and that thing was awesome.

[Radlark]

Okay normally I wouldn't come in here and say anything but......REALLY.....NO REALLY?? I am curious to what the reserve was on the car? I know Chip built it and all but again........REALLY $295k appraisal? Okay this isn't the Ridler or anything like that I mean okay $60k MAYBE. Oh and the part about "I will never sell it, I will be buried in it" okay maybe hard times have hit him if that was the case wouldn't you want to offer the highest bidder a chance at saying hey I am asking this if you can get close enough it is yours "CAUSE I NEED THE MONEY" not because it has Chips name on the build so I know I can get me a small fortune price tag on it! Ughhhhhhhhh

[BADGTP]

I seen this car at the Daytona Cruise with my buddies. I could not believe this was a Foose built car. Fit and finish was......well, lets just say that it's aged pretty quick. I believe the couple were packing up to leave, when his wife jumped into the passenger side and closed the door. A loud and nasty klunk came from the mis-aligned door that, guaranteed:yes: , left people scratching their heads in disbelief.

[GregWeld]

Well the $43K "high bid" on eBay says it all...


I was at the Grand National Roadster Show one year when they had maybe 6 or 8 of these "Overhaulin" builds -- and to say I was shocked at the crap quality is an understatement. Both my Brother in Law and I said - jokingly - that if they took our junky POS and then turned it into one of these - we'd be PO'D big time!!

One can argue "taste" and "refinement" and wheel choice til the cows come home - but QUALITY is not arguable - it's either a quality build or it isn't - and from what I've seen -- the Foose Overhaulin stuff falls squarely in a bucket O' Poo.... It is a TV show after all - "entertainment"... is what they're selling - not Riddler builds...

I don't even watch it - after seeing it once or twice - it's just a thrash - and Ads for vendors. You're not going to learn anything.

[phillym5]

Well the $43K "high bid" on eBay says it all...


I was at the Grand National Roadster Show one year when they had maybe 6 or 8 of these "Overhaulin" builds -- and to say I was shocked at the crap quality is an understatement. Both my Brother in Law and I said - jokingly - that if they took our junky POS and then turned it into one of these - we'd be PO'D big time!!

One can argue "taste" and "refinement" and wheel choice til the cows come home - but QUALITY is not arguable - it's either a quality build or it isn't - and from what I've seen -- the Foose Overhaulin stuff falls squarely in a bucket O' Poo.... It is a TV show after all - "entertainment"... is what they're selling - not Riddler builds...

I don't even watch it - after seeing it once or twice - it's just a thrash - and Ads for vendors. You're not going to learn anything.

Thats too bad. I would have to think the cars come out WAY better than when they came in though...??

[GregWeld]

Thats too bad. I would have to think the cars come out WAY better than when they came in though...??

Well sure they did Josh -- or people would be mad as h... And since we're all so PC these days - who would dare to mumble such harsh criticism in the first place right? Who would be so ungrateful. They only have to pay the taxes on the "gift"... and they have a way better car than they started out with or most likely could ever build. They should be happy.... but when you go to sell OTHER PEOPLE will look at it differently - and then it is what it is... a mediocre build. That's not to say the "idea" isn't grand and all that...

:thumbsup:

[DOOM]

You no Greg normally I would agree with you ! You know I love you man(not in that way) but I have to say I have seen a couple of those cars ,the 67 GTO and the convertible GTX and they looked pretty damn nice. Now that was a couple of years ago I do'nt know what they look like now. I think as that show went on the cars got alot better.

[GregWeld]

You no Greg normally I would agree with you ! You know I love you man(not in that way) but I have to say I have seen a couple of those cars ,the 67 GTO and the convertible GTX and they looked pretty damn nice. Now that was a couple of years ago I do'nt know what they look like now. I think as that show went on the cars got alot better.

Mario -- I think you're right -- the early cars were "rough" but as the show went on and they figured all of this out I agree - they got better. I watched one episode the other day with a 62 Chevy that looked REAL GOOD when they finished... but it also didn't start out that bad. I wonder if they didn't start to figure out that with the time they had - they can't be doing 4 days of rust repair... which also requires a lot more body prep before paint.

[Bakaruda]

43K did not sell.

[tgvettes]

I do like it just as it is, well to each there own I guess.
I totally agree there is no way that car can really appraise for something like that. I think the current bid is very much inline with what this is worth. I would say around $50K maybe a little more because it was built on a TV show but not a ton more.

Tonnys

[doogler]

"We have an appraisal in hand that puts this car at an appraised value of $295,000."



:rofl: Who ever appraised that car at that number must have been smoking something very very good. Without the Foose name and wheels, that car could be built for way under $100,000 and have a LOT more - EFI, overdrive, aftermarket suspension, etc. Chip is very talented, but that doesn't justify adding 3x the value of the car.


"This is a true, one family owned car that has been in California its entire life.'

Oh really ? The family lived in Florida for a period of time and the car was shown in Florida along with the sons Barracuda.

thats not the same challenger, the one is florida is orange and was done at sema

[doogler]

Well the $43K "high bid" on eBay says it all...


I was at the Grand National Roadster Show one year when they had maybe 6 or 8 of these "Overhaulin" builds -- and to say I was shocked at the crap quality is an understatement. Both my Brother in Law and I said - jokingly - that if they took our junky POS and then turned it into one of these - we'd be PO'D big time!!

One can argue "taste" and "refinement" and wheel choice til the cows come home - but QUALITY is not arguable - it's either a quality build or it isn't - and from what I've seen -- the Foose Overhaulin stuff falls squarely in a bucket O' Poo.... It is a TV show after all - "entertainment"... is what they're selling - not Riddler builds...

I don't even watch it - after seeing it once or twice - it's just a thrash - and Ads for vendors. You're not going to learn anything.

i agree but theyre built in a week. Also the owners sure wouldnt have done anything with the cars so it makes for good entertainment

[Alltime]

Icon in So. Cal. definately raised the car up a couple of inches and this looks like crap. To drop it again no big deal with a 3/4" socket on the TB adjusters. They probably took the lowering blocks out of the rear.

[Bakaruda]

Mopar's have to be realigned after you move the bars. If you want it low they need adjustable upper arms as well.

[dezl]

hahaha maybe that is why he is selling it, id ask for a redo:lol: either that or he just fell on hard times...who knows

the insider needs to be smacked....that thing is nasty!

[autoxcuda]

Mopar's have to be realigned after you move the bars. If you want it low they need adjustable upper arms as well.

You don't need adjustable upper arms if you lower your Mopar to the max. That's just a sales pitch from the guys that sells UCA's.

Alltime (Tim) notched the frame rails on a 68 Road Runner to lower it and ran stock UCA's and it aligned fine.

I have stock UCA's with moog 7103 offset upper bushings. I have 1.0 deg neg Camber, 4.5 deg positve caster. I'm too low to run stock LCA's bumpers. I actually don't run any at all. My stock k-member sits about 5.5" off the ground to it's absolute lowest point.

[Bakaruda]

I guess we just have to disagree. I have never seen a Mopar align with out lots of work. I know people say they lign up. I still say if you are running stock front suspenion products you can only go so low. I do not remmber who but someone makes lowered front spendels.


I would like to see pictures of the notched frame. I am not sure what he is knotching in the front, the rear I understand.

[autoxcuda]

I guess we just have to disagree. I have never seen a Mopar align with out lots of work. I know people say they lign up. I still say if you are running stock front suspenion products you can only go so low. I do not remmber who but someone makes lowered front spendels.


I would like to see pictures of the notched frame. I am not sure what he is knotching in the front, the rear I understand.

I've owned my car since 1993. I've had it aligned over 6 times since then. Always with moog offset bushings and stock upper control arms. I've got over 3 degrees caster and over 0.25 camber every times. I have the alignment machine printouts.

But, I have always sought out and found alignment technicians that understand performance alignments and understood the concepts of alignment. The guy in Ames, IA raced circle track cars, Bagge & Son in L.A. gets exotics, handling mods, & 50+ year old cars in on a daily basis, and Cars Automotive in Redondo Beach, CA does lots of older cars.

When you lower the car a lot, there is no room for the lower bumpstop. So instead of running short poly bumpstop Alltime (Tim) notched the frame. First, he removed the welded on support under the front frame rail. Then he cut into the frame itself about 1" to 1.5" on the out side making sort of a pie shaped cut. Then he welded everything up. Last, reinstalled the factory thick lower bumpstop support.

Tough to descibe without pictures. I took some but they didn't come out. That was over ten years ago and the car is long gone.

[Bakaruda]

I got what you meant about knotching the frame now. I removed mine but for other reasons. I just prefer the aftermarket Mopar frontends out there now. I am glad yours works well for you. I knew a guy who circle track raced his with T bars in it. I thought it was crazy but hey it worked for him.

[autoxcuda]

I got what you meant about knotching the frame now. I removed mine but for other reasons. I just prefer the aftermarket Mopar frontends out there now. I am glad yours works well for you. I knew a guy who circle track raced his with T bars in it. I thought it was crazy but hey it worked for him.


T-bars are a very capable design. Porsche 911's had them front and rear until the 90's. It's just a spring on a double wishbone suspension. Coil, T-bar, coilover, cantilever leaf, ... The geometry acts independent of which spring you choose. You can get progressive rate coil springs which is a nice feature if you choose to use it.

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This is Tim Werner's 68 Valiant is one of the fastest street Mopars on a road course. It will be a lot faster now that it is getting a 500+ hp motor (natually aspirated, no F.I.) built with road racing in mind. There should be an article detailing the motor build in an upcomming Mopar Action magazine. It's got T-bars and no brainer rear stock leaf springs. It's well sorted and optimized by a experianced road racer owner.

Again this is Tim Werner's 68 Valiant (not my car):

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/upload2/5060560-chasing.jpg

http://www.mrmopar.com/SpringFling2007/WillowSprings/800/2007-05-03_035.jpg

[markss28]

Personally I think Chip is a good car designer but not my favorite. I would rather have Troy Trip. Then anyone else. Mainly cause I think Troy will actually put some power and handling on the car. Like Joe Rogans Sick Fish cuda.

Plus Foose wheels are way over priced, non-original, and ugly. IMHO

[manny z]

I guess we just have to disagree. I have never seen a Mopar align with out lots of work. I know people say they lign up. I still say if you are running stock front suspenion products you can only go so low. I do not remmber who but someone makes lowered front spendels.


I would like to see pictures of the notched frame. I am not sure what he is knotching in the front, the rear I understand.


That would be FATMAN dropped spindles. 2" lower.:thumbsup:

[autoxcuda]

That would be FATMAN dropped spindles. 2" lower.:thumbsup:

The car with the notched frame does not run FATMAN dropped spindles.

The owner did buy a pair, mocked them up, then put them for sale. The construction is weak at best and when you call them to ask tech questions they have NO clue about the design considerations or any geometry of the spindle.

The cast/forged 2" dropped spindles are a much nicer piece.

Here's a Fatman 2" dropped spindle.

[FoxRod]

There is a thread on overhaulin website where the cars have to go thru another shop for a safety check. A few irate owners cars were kept hostage because the production company wouldn't pay the prices the safety shops were charging. People were not getting their cars back or they had sign a release from injury.

[vicious69]

Not a mopar fan and yes that car is ugly. That appraisal is way inflated. I wonder how many of the people still have the cars that were done for them on Overhaulin?
I'm a BIG fan of Foose but has anyone noticed that he never comes to the Eastcoast to do cars. I have a 69 camaro im trying to build that could use the Foose touch... :lateral: